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Old topics archived: 2010-2014 [add comment] [edit] Welcome [29 December 2021]Welcome to WeRelate, your virtual genealogical community. We're glad you have joined us. At WeRelate you can easily create ancestor web pages, connect with cousins and other genealogists, and find new information. To get started:
If you need any help, I will be glad to answer your questions. Just click on my signature link below and then click on the “Leave a message” link under my name in the upper left corner of my profile page. Thanks for participating and see you around! Debbie Freeman --DFree 22:31, 1 January 2010 (EST) I see no reason for making this change: "Person:Ann Tripp (4)" has been changed by DataAnalyst at 18:00, 27 December 2021. Edit summary: meant to be the same person (wife of Edmund Ingalls) - merge into Person:Annis Telbe (1) - review/undo View the changes: https://www.werelate.org/w/index.php?title=Person:Ann_Tripp_%284%29&diff=0&oldid=9380252 View the current version: https://www.werelate.org/wiki/Person:Ann_Tripp_%284%29 Ann Tripp is a separate person and the daughter of John Tripp and Mary Paine.--Sheri 20:07, 28 December 2021 (UTC)
There is no add comment button to this topic: see no reason for making this change: "Person:Ann Tripp (4)" has been changed by DataAnalyst at 18:00, 27 December 2021. Edit summary: meant to be the same person (wife of Edmund Ingalls) - merge into Person:Annis Telbe (1) - review/undo View the changes: https://www.werelate.org/w/index.php?title=Person:Ann_Tripp_%284%29&diff=0&oldid=9380252 View the current version: https://www.werelate.org/wiki/Person:Ann_Tripp_%284%29 Ann Tripp is a separate person and the daughter of John Tripp and Mary Paine.--Sheri 20:07, 28 December 2021 (UTC) Do you have a source for that? North America Family Histories lists 10 children of John Trippe and Mary Payne, and the list doesn't include an Ann. I assume that is why other contributors unlinked her page from the family.--DataAnalyst 01:00, 29 December 2021 (UTC) However I cannot find a sources so keep the change you made. Thank you for the reply and all of your hard work.--Sheri 17:18, 29 December 2021 (UTC) [add comment] [edit] Crawshawbooths [17 February 2015]Hi Quoting from you:
I just had a look at Higher Booths and noted that the first line is "Crawshawbooth and Crawshaw-Booth have been re-directed here." When I do a redirect I will put the place redirected in the Alternate Name box if it has a relationship to the Placename, but even then it doesn't seem to be read by the software--a redirect is necessary for that to happen. I agree this a frustration. So many places get their names changed over time, even if the change is simply the addition or deletion of a hyphen. I don't add many people to WR, I work on trying to update our Places database, so I didn't know that if one typed in Crawshawbooth you wouldn't be pointed directly to Higher Booths. However, I am pretty sure that if you save a Person Page with the place Crawshawbooth on it, Crawshawbooth will come up in blue. Then, if you go to edit the page, in the box in question, Crawshawbooth will follow the pipe and Higher Booths will precede it. My next comments are made after doing more investigating this morning.
Considering the number of people who hailed from Crawshawbooth on WR I am beginning to wonder if the whole area ought to be rewritten. It's another part of the United Kingdom I really must go back and edit. Aaarrghhh! (This August I will have lived in the UK for 50 years. But I am not familiar with every nook and cranny of the country.) I'll be glad to hear from you further on this problem. --Goldenoldie 10:53, 14 February 2015 (UTC) Hi Just got your note. I had just about decided to reinstate Crawshawbooth, but thought I would wait until I got your opinion on the matter. FamilySearch really had it sorted out--my usual places to check were well and truly hiding it. I think Upper Booths is the same place. I want to inspect a 19th-century census or two for the area and see how the titles on the pages are set up. WeRelate certainly has a lot of links to the place, many more than you would expect for a village this size. After writing yesterday I sorted out one of the Binns families (parents, 12 children, wives), but they have a lot more cousins with red-inked places to be corrected yet. Regards, Pat --Goldenoldie 16:13, 16 February 2015 (UTC) I have already put Crawshawbooth back into the WR database and am also adding something for Goodshaw. Neither place-page is finished yet, but it's just about dinner-prep time here so I shall have to stop for 1-1/2 hours or so. I've got a decent description of Crawshawbooth sorted but I still have to link the villages to thier places in governmental hierarchy, both ecclesiastical and civil and add some specific Research Tips. It's amazing what that inspection of Google Earth taught me yesterday. It seems that Crawshawbooth and Goodshaw have traded places in importance. I have bumped into JustAlf's work before (I clean old pages when I need a break from making places pages) and I know how much is lacking in quality. I have subs to Ancestry.com and to The Genealogist (good census databases). I also saw a message on the FamilySearch wiki yesterday that FS are currently indexing Lancashire parish records (though it's hard to know how old that note is). If you ever need details on English or Scots geography, let me know. There are a great many counties I haven't tackled yet, but as time goes on I learn more about how to get around the system. Like Ontario, in 1974 the UK had a "nationwide municipal reorganization". They did the whole country at once and a number of places later decided they didn't like their new "neigbbours" and put up the fences again, e.g. Avon and Humberside. Great fun! --Goldenoldie 17:12, 16 February 2015 (UTC) I think I've found the details on Crawshawbooth and Higher Booths that we've been trying to sort out from other sources: The Victoria County History article on Higher Booths I wish all VCH pieces were written as well as this one. --Goldenoldie 10:57, 17 February 2015 (UTC) [add comment] [edit] Addendum to Crawshawbooth [14 February 2015]Lancashire Parish Clerks have pre civil registration bmds online for St. Mary's, Goodshaw. Pat --Goldenoldie 11:07, 14 February 2015 (UTC) [add comment] [edit] Wolcott as a source [8 April 2015]Hi. I noticed that you were adding cites to Darrell Wolcott's Ancient Wales Studies site. I would avoid doing this. Wolcott is a flake. His site is set up to make it appear as if there were some sort of scholarly organization behind his work, but it is just him. Whenever I have checked his work against something that I have researched myself, I find that it omits obvious evidence and lacks perspective. Stewart Baldwin's assessment is about right: https://groups.google.com/d/msg/soc.genealogy.medieval/xroL0ZP4NVw/KFy7pkeGVhQJ --Werebear 11:18, 8 April 2015 (UTC)
[add comment] [edit] Guidelines for priority [16 April 2015]Janet, I tried to click on the link you left at the watercooler, Fund Raising Proposal 4/11 "As a community, have a discussion about general guidelines for priority. Are we most interested in making changes that will attract new users (e.g., private space for living individuals) or retain users once they come (e.g., reduce pain points), or do we want to balance these? I have set up a separate topic for this" but the link seems to be circular and doesn't go to a separate page. Worse, why hasn't someone else mentioned this earlier? Seems like a great idea to me! But maybe I'm missing something. . . I have a couple pain points I'd sure like worked on! --janiejac 02:06, 16 April 2015 (UTC)
[add comment] [edit] Tree cleanups [26 April 2015]Data, I don't want to subtract at all from the great work you have done on the tree cleanups. IN Genealogist had a very messy one, I made a go at a cleanup of it awhile back but I could find little data on most of the families there. But anyway, if you are looking for one to do in the future, look at the tree of 'JonJay'. We believe his tree is the largest on WR, and it makes IN genealogist's look like a fully sourced scholarly tree. Almost no sources, incomplete dates and places ("Born 1898 PA Died 1932 Ohio), 5000+ livings. We debated whether or not it would be better just to delete it, but it is too large to be deleted. His interest was mainly Ohio families, and since I live in Ohio, I have occasionally cleaned up parts of it, but it is in my opinion too big for one person to clean up.--Daniel Maxwell 02:09, 27 April 2015 (UTC)
[add comment] [edit] Page deletion experiment [10 July 2015]Thanks for suggesting at the Watercooler a test of deletion behavior. I've created two pages for you to edit because I would like to try deleting by both direct delete and tree-delete. The pages are Person:Mary Unknown (7067) and Person:Sarah Unknown (3023). Please make some edit to each. (Remember to uncheck "Watch this page" and "This is a minor edit" before submitting the edit.) Thanks. --robert.shaw 20:19, 10 July 2015 (UTC)
[add comment] [edit] Duplicates [4 October 2015]Re: Duplicates [4 October 2015] Hi, Gayle. I know you have been cleaning up some duplicates that I created. Lest you think I am being careless and creating duplicates when I should know better, I thought I would let you know why they are occurring. I am working on a multi-month project to clean up the largest old GEDCOM (Jonjay) (at Daniel Maxwell's request). In many cases, Jonjay did not know the maiden name of the wife (or he had it wrong) and I have been renaming both person and family pages as I have found the correct info. WeRelate does not warn of duplicates on a rename, and I've had so few hits when I manually checked for duplicates that I thought I would leave it to automation to find the duplicates. In general, you have been merging the duplicates before I have bothered to check the report. I hope you will continue to do so - but of course, I can check the report periodically as well. I've been working on the GEDCOM since the end of April and still have quite a way to go - lots and lots of incomplete information. Thanks for the help on the duplicates end. --DataAnalyst 02:10, 5 October 2015 (UTC) Not a problem -- I think we've all said OOPS way more times than we want to admit. I assumed that you were working on something, since I know that you have put a lot of work into getting rid of duplicates in the past. My general policy, if there is some possible uncertainty and one of the watchers is an active contributor, is to ask. Some don't bother to reply or take action. So, I appreciate the fact that you do. I'll try to keep the JonJay files in mind, and go ahead and merge, and assume that you can unmerge if you disagree. Gayel --GayelKnott 02:23, 5 October 2015 (UTC) [add comment] [edit] links would be useful? [23 February 2016]I think what you are doing on jonjay's gedcom is great. I was thinking I should try to help when I have an hour to kill. I looked at Person:Amanda Wolcot (1). The sources are specified so sparsely it is hard to identify them. Assuming you have them displayed in a window or tab, wouldn't it be useful to at least copy the URL to them into the source citation. For Amanda, I tried looking up her Find a Grave and no Amanda Johnson d. Ohio 1907 except one that was b. 1847 and didn't have the right family members. The census entry I found with a 1900 birth of Nov 1839 was a black lady and the daughter's page says she was white. I am sure I just need to keep looking, trying Nettie, widening a few criteria, etc., but I think it illustrates that the citations might be a little underspecified? --Jrich 15:23, 23 February 2016 (UTC)
[add comment] [edit] DOUD research [13 March 2016]Hi Janet, Thank you so much for your research and citations. Having seen many of your contributions, I was confident that you would handle the "Hannah Salmon" proposal deftly. I undertook the DOUD cleanup because all the DOUD lines were/are rather poorly cited, but I've discovered one line that comes through my county in Ohio, and may have "married into" my mother's Irish family. Thanks again. Neal--SkippyG 23:39, 12 March 2016 (UTC)
Wow ! You've done so much, I can't thank you enough. I'm using the Trumbull Co., Ohio records to "flesh out" the Doud/Dowds here. If I run across anything I'm unable to access, I'll post a short note on Support. Thanks. Neal--SkippyG 01:54, 14 March 2016 (UTC) [add comment] [edit] Miscellaneous [3 July 2016]
'Children[of Ezekiel and Rebecca (Wiekle)Sanford],recorded at Fairfield:... Elizabeth, b. 6 Sept 1679; m.(1)Joshua Jackson; m.(2)23 Nov 1699, Joseph Jackson; m.(3)Thomas Chambers.' Retrieved from "http://www.werelate.org/wiki/family: Joseph_Jackson_and_Elizabeth_Sanford_%281%29" [add comment] [edit] Requesting your opinion(s)... [17 September 2016]I would be interested in your perspective on some work I have done (it's been in the works for a number of years, so I hope you'll be able to be kind! :) ).... I have a woefully inadequate overview on this page. You will find that it refers to our transcription of Savage's Genealogical Dictionary of the First Settlers of New England. It also refers to a sample of an extract I've been able to create here. If you're interested in my python source, it's not long, and I will gladly make it available. Best Regards... --jrm03063 15:15, 19 August 2016 (UTC)
Hi - Sorry for the delayed response. I had set a goal of cleaning up the in_genealogist tree and was unable to focus on anything else until it was done. Now that I have taken a good look at the proposal, and a few responses to things that have been going on lately, I am ready to respond, and have done so on the Talk page of your proposal. I hope that conversation will continue and we can come up with a solution that everyone can live with. --DataAnalyst 19:58, 17 September 2016 (UTC) [add comment] [edit] Removal of cohabitation assertions? [29 August 2016]I'm certainly sympathetic to those who thought that the fact assertions had a garish implementation - I always figured that the display would get improved when someone figured out what a better display looked like. But isn't the right answer here to just fix the template? Then you fix ALL OF THEM and you never had to touch a page that used them! When you remove the template - you only "fix" that page - and you destroy the opportunity to easily change the appearance of the collection of hundreds of pages at one go. It also makes it much easier if you want different members of the community to enter information in a way that will have a standard appearance. Just use the template and you'll get the right stuff. Trying to get a wide community to do common things commonly - turns out to be pretty impossible. It just seems very sad to do things in a way that makes things much less maintainable going forward ... :( --jrm03063 02:09, 26 August 2016 (UTC)
[add comment] [edit] Thanks for your thoughtful reply! [19 September 2016]Thanks for the time you obviously invested looking at some of my ideas. I don't want to oversimplify - and I owe everyone a complete response - but I think I'm in substantial agreement with you. Key points...
Even if things ever got to the point where I was approved to run a bot doing things with Savage - even THAT - would need to be run on a small selection of pages, with the community being given a chance to weigh in before going live across a wider domain. While I've been mulling this for a long time, the community needs a chance to understand something before being expected to consent or not. Thanks again for your considerate reply. --jrm03063 14:32, 19 September 2016 (UTC)
[add comment] [edit] Thanks for fixing Marie Louise Davis [18 March 2017]Thank you for taking the time to find enough documentation to verify Marie Louise Davis. I didn't think she belonged as a child of Hannah Hughes Ash/Davis but it needed better documentation to prove it. --janiejac 12:12, 18 March 2017 (UTC) [add comment] [edit] Suggestion list [7 July 2017]Just looking at that suggestion list, I see several that may be duplicate in function from a programmer's point of view. Perhaps would be good to take that in consideration when counting number of watchers. I note these all pertain to sorting one page or another: The following pertain to adding buttons to pages. The top two appear to be duplicate: Perhaps we ought to have a new suggestion: need the ability to merge duplicate suggestions! Which might? prevent folks from voting for both duplicates. I'm probably guilty of adding duplicate suggestion when I can't find what I'm looking for right away. I left a comment at the watercooler to see if folks would create a new list of their 10 most wanted features - and if they would do so, I'd help sort and count them. Let me know if I can be of any help. --janiejac 17:07, 3 July 2017 (UTC)
[add comment] [edit] Request list [19 July 2017]Hi, Hope I've corrected my answers properly. I think you've created a great way of evaluating requests, but I felt a little like an English/Theater major asked to take an Advanced Calculus final. That's me, the English/Theater guy. --SkippyG 15:11, 19 July 2017 (UTC) [add comment] [edit] Voting mistakes [29 July 2017]Hi Janet, Just wanted to reassure myself, that the "over the top" voting (one voter has used 22 points, etc.) will be adjusted in the final tally. As stands, certain proposals gain more approval than others by incorrect voting. As a former Associate Editor for a business magazine publisher, I've participated in similar department votes, points being assigned by job title and proposal rating. Even in a small conference room, most of the discussion centered on the process more than the proposals. This was ultimately scrapped for a yes or no vote with final decisions made by 3 key staff; not to suggest that this is appropriate in this setting. Without pressure, how will this pan out ? --SkippyG 15:20, 29 July 2017 (UTC)
Either my error, or the user I counted as a 22, adjusted their vote. Still the "too many votes" on a single proposal boosts that to a different place on the list. --SkippyG 16:46, 29 July 2017 (UTC)
[add comment] [edit] Helmi Olson and Carl Bjorndah [22 August 2017]Hi Janet I am doing some research into finding my cousins birth father and it appears there are common DNA relations (via ancestry) with Helmi Olson. My cousin is 70 now (b 1947) so her birth father would have passed away by now I am sure. Helmi (1881-?) is from Finland and she married Carl (Karl) Bjorndahl around 1906 onwards. Carl died in 1915 and Helmi was left with two young children in Sask - Mildred and Arnold. Helmi's father was Norwegian and her mother Finnish so she has both Norwegian and Finnish blood. I am related to her via the Norwegian side. Do you have any more information about Helmi as I am at a bit of a dead end. I see you have loaded her in your tree. Gary Dewar is a 2-3rd cousin - his mother was Helmi's only daughter - Mildred. He has not been responding to our messages via ancestry unfortunately. I would be most grateful of any help - to find out if Helmi married again and had any more children - or who, if any, her siblings are because those are the connections. I cannot find the life of me any record of her immigration, marriage or parents - or anything other than 1900 US Census (Ironwood, Michigan) and the 1921 Census of Canada (Watrous, Sask)! I see that you have a note on your tree that she may have died in her 60's of a heart attack and she was a wonderful woman? Looking forward to your reply! Jo Walsh (Olson from Minnesota/Saskatchewan relative, but living in New Zealand) Jwalsh9 11:38, 22 August 2017 (UTC) [add comment] [edit] Bjorndahl's [4 September 2017]Hi Janet, I received an email from Rick and I am just about to email him back. Thank you so much for passing on my details to him. I hope I can find out some more information about Helmi. I was just wondering if any of the Bjorndahl's have had their DNA done via ancestry by any chance? I have and obviously my cousin has too - which is how we linked up. And of course I know Gary Dewar has because he had shown up as a cousin to both of us too (son of Mildred Bjorndahl) - but I think this is via Helmi and not the Bjorndahl's so it would be interesting to be able to have this confirmed. Thanks again, Jo--Jwalsh9 10:55, 28 August 2017 (UTC) [add comment] [edit] uploading persons with poor source info [4 September 2017]You wrote: 1 Sep 2017: The tree created by Genealogist84 requires sources for most of its 47,000+ persons. Birth and death info is also often lacking. Pick a century, find a page that has few watchers, and start researching.--DataAnalyst 16:34, 1 September 2017 (UTC) So I looked at this tree and found a David Jackson that looked familiar. I found that I had worked on this line years ago (when I didn't know much) and had a tree at ancestry.com for him. So I downloaded that tree and put it into my desktop to try to bring it up to date. But I find it has LOTS of citations from "World Family Tree Vol. 11, Ed. 1" Broderbund software. I believe that is considered nearly as bad as no citation at all. I don't have time to completely redo the tree and I'm seeing some info for which there may not be a better source. If World Family Tree should not be used, I could just remove it as a source; but then I would be adding persons with no source at all which would add to the problem of unsourced persons on WeRelate. Should I leave the source or delete both the poor source and the persons connected to the source; or should I just upload the whole thing even with the uncertain source? I tend to want to upload the whole 150 persons but I know there are those who want to reserve WeRelate for only well sourced info. (BTW, this is not my Jackson line but I seem to have become a Jackson collector.) --janiejac 16:02, 4 September 2017 (UTC)
[add comment] [edit] Correct use of 1900 standard [28 September 2017]Hi Janet, Would you take a quick look at the above Margaret's page & her sibs ? Margaret's birth is recorded in New London, Conn. VR in 1677, but POB is noted as Groton, Conn (w/note in description). The Town of Groton was not created out of the Town of New London until 1705. Is this the correct usage of the 1900 rule ? To me, the POB should be New London Town, with perhaps a note stating that in 1705 the area became Groton, partially because both are still in existence, & in 1677 no governing authority for Groton existed. I'd very much appreciate another opinion. Thanks.--SkippyG 22:30, 28 September 2017 (UTC)
[add comment] [edit] Margaret Badcock (2) [19 November 2017]If I read the history correctly, often not the case, the citation of Appleton's book on the Badcock family was added by you. There is a comment attached saying "(The book contains some additional arguments in support of these theories.)", which having investigated book (e.g., here) leaves me puzzled because I see no further discussion of the issue other than the specific quote provided - unless I missed something (I only read the sections on generation one and two). I know why Margaret is thought to be the sister of Robert (Henry Leland's will named his my loving brother though I don't see that stated here) but would like to find out what connection there is between Margaret and George, or is it simply transitive because George is Robert's brother? Thanks, --Jrich 18:54, 19 November 2017 (UTC)
[add comment] [edit] Jupiter [22 January 2018]Jupiter got a mention in John Marius Wilson's Imperial Gazetteer of England and Wales of 1870-72 (A Vision of Britain through Time website) as a colliery within the parish of Wallsend. So I added it back and immediately redirected it. Regards, --Goldenoldie 10:13, 22 January 2018 (UTC) [add comment] [edit] Good Bye Dryford [3 February 2018]So glad to see it go. I hope Wikipedia had some red faces over that one. --Goldenoldie 22:17, 3 February 2018 (UTC) [add comment] [edit] Keffer/Keefer [28 February 2018]Hi Janet I see you are doing some housecleaning to the Keffer clan. I worked on the Ontario ones about four years ago merely out of curiosity. I notice you haven't added any sources for your changes. Lewis Keffer (21) moved gradually north from Vaughan to [someplace in] Haliburton and married twice along the way. He also changed his name to Keefer. I am wondering when he changed his name (or an Ancestry transcriber did it for him). Unfortuately my worldwide Ancestry subscription will not let me out of the UK at the moment so I can't do any checking. Regards --Goldenoldie 11:44, 28 February 2018 (UTC)
[add comment] [edit] Blocking spammers [27 March 2018]Hi, Can you block these 2 users? I have been trying for several days to no avail. KandiceQ57 and ChristenCantor The same material is being uploaded each evening.--Susan Irish 03:30, 27 March 2018 (UTC) [add comment] [edit] Floyd Sims [17 June 2018]Hi, Just out of curiousity, how did you happen on Floyd? https://www.werelate.org/wiki/Person:Floyd_Sims_%281%29 Lynette--LynetteJester 02:11, 17 June 2018 (UTC) [add comment] [edit] Floyd Sims [16 June 2018]Hi, Just out of curiousity, how did you happen on Floyd? https://www.werelate.org/wiki/Person:Floyd_Sims_%281%29 Lynette--LynetteJester 02:11, 17 June 2018 (UTC) apologies for the duplicate post.
Oh I figured you weren't related, unless it was to the Beshea's in all its variant spellings. I don't remember adding her, but that doesn't mean much. I can recite whole Jesters families, but can't remember anyone living. And I didn't remember seeing Floyd here either. Yes, Floyd has passed, along with most of Peggy's family, I just added her sibs. But she is very much alive. Thank you.--LynetteJester 02:42, 17 June 2018 (UTC)
[add comment] [edit] Ray Tanner and B C Tanner [2 October 2018]Hi, Janet, I guess when I merged B C Tanner with Ray Tanner (to clear the duplicate spouses on the Family page), it was a change too many for the original poster, as I got a message from the original poster -- which actually provided a bit more information. I've tried to put the information back to what was intended, with an actual source for B C (Bergia C). My apologies for whatever confusion this has caused. The family information, if you are interested is: "Uncle BC, Aunt Ethel, and their children, BC jr and Shirley Ann. BC stands for Bergia Cowean. BC jr and Shirley Ann are also buried in Pinecrest Cemetery, Mobile AL". Gayel --GayelKnott 20:19, 1 October 2018 (UTC)
[add comment] [edit] GedCom Review Complete but Will Not Import [27 November 2018]I'd appreciate the help with this.I have checked everything as far as I can tell, but it still will not import. have had trouble with the Hugh Thornton And Eliza Long match not having the Match box appear. Thank you. Greg Thornton--Gregthornton 16:01, 27 November 2018 (UTC) [add comment] [edit] [28 November 2018]Why did you remove marriage of Dortha Pearl Miller to William Howard Buckley? This is my aunt. It also removes their son, Christopher Howard Buckley?--Cjlray 11:58, 28 November 2018 (UTC) [add comment] [edit] [28 November 2018]Why did you remove marriage of Dortha Pearl Miller to William Howard Buckley? This is my aunt. It also removes their son, Christopher Howard Buckley?--Cjlray 11:58, 28 November 2018 (UTC)
[add comment] [edit] Pain Court [5 December 2018]Hi Janet Wikipedia has changed from Paincourt to Pain Court, but all our sources use Paincourt and the place description in WeRelate hasn't been changed either. Or, is this your next step? I'm not as familiar with Kent County as I am with other parts of Ontario, but Paincourt rings a bigger bell than Pain Court. Regards Pat --Goldenoldie 19:35, 5 December 2018 (UTC)
[add comment] [edit] new user whom you recently posted about sources [13 February 2019]The collection of data uploaded by this user has one of the highest concentrations of errors I have seen. No sources have been added for many pages uploaded by GEDCOM and many others the sources have been given as Ancestry Public Tree (whose source citation clearly has marked it as unreliable: proven by this user's GEDCOM). The sources citations that are there convey little information except an APID, or a link to Ancestry that amounts to little more than an ad for Ancestry, useless to anybody without a subscription. Intentions are entered as marriage, baptisms as births, last child's birth as deaths, many deaths turn out belong to other individuals with the same name. In the space of 11 minutes yesterday, I identified one incorrect husband and 2 incorrect sets of parents as I reviewed change notifications I had received ([1], [2], [3] - I am cleaning up some of pages as I go but the time it takes to track down sources is much longer than it takes to dump sourceless pages with a GEDCOM, and I can't keep up. So for some pages like this I merely remove the error after verifying it is wrong by a quick search and leave it for the future to fix). Alternate dates are entered that are largely identical to other alternates. In one case there were 4 alternate marriages dates in widely varying towns, one when the alleged wife was 1 year old and 2 others before she was 10, and the identified wife can be shown to have died before the recorded marriage date anyway so was not the correct wife merely a person with the same name (and the marriage date of the husband being readily available in published VRs, suggests there should be no reasons for alternates). --Jrich 15:07, 31 January 2019 (UTC)
[add comment] [edit] Quebec entries [4 May 2019]Hi Janet About a year ago after a few weeks of work on the topic, I gave up trying to update WeRelate's descriptions of Quebec places. I found it very confusing. Many places that were geographically the same had two names, one based on local civil government and one based on the local church. Most of the sources I found were in French, and I studied French in high school more than 60 years ago when French as a language of Canada was not as important as it is today. Actually I was surprised how much I understood of the French text, but that is not to say I could explain it to other English speakers with even less knowledge of French than me. The hardest section of Quebec I tackled was Montreal. Like London, England, it is made up of many communities that merged over the centuries. It was very hard to judge whether all these places should be retained as individual WR placenames (excessive in my estimation), or whether they should be merged into the civil entity in which they were located in 1900. I am no longer looking at WR on a daily basis. Feel free to do what you like on Quebec placenames. Regards Goldenoldie--Goldenoldie 13:53, 4 May 2019 (UTC) [add comment] [edit] Greater London as a place [4 May 2019]Hi Janet London, England and Greater London as they currently exist in WR are "unfinished business". Greater London was created in 1965 out of London and a number of other parishes, which were located in the counties of Middlesex, Surrey, Kent, Essex and Hertfordshire. Greater London was divided into metropolitan boroughs. The former London (1900-1965) was divided into municipal boroughs. Subsidiaries of both places are listed under the headings
Most of the headings were in existence when I started working on the page. At times I tried to reduce this list, but never managed to get it completed. The important ones are Borough (metropolitan), Borough (municipal), Cemetery and Registration District. Some of the others such as Civil parish and Parish (ancient) find their was into Place:London and Place:Greater London from their historical roots in the 19th century and beyond. Urban districts were used between 1894 and 1965 in places that were in the outlying counties at the time. Hundred should not have found its way into Greater London. But the others should really be grouped together under one description. I wanted to use Area, but I only got so far in the tidying process. Each of these places had to be checked out separately. (In my book, obtaining sources for places is as important as obtaining sources for people.) I wish there had not been so many possibilities to choose from. In each of the boroughs I inspected (and I did not get to them all), I found myself tempted to inspect the trees that linked with them. Many had street addresses in the "Place" box and it was tempting but time-wasting to correct these. (In each case I copied the street address to the description box.) Although I would have liked to, I have never dared do much on the City of London. The number of parishes, and former parishes, within it is very large. Tracing the merges of parishes is a very tricky procedure and one that could be prone to error. To make a long story short, I am quite glad to see Stratford City and Canary Wharf disappear from the WR list. Regards--Goldenoldie 15:05, 4 May 2019 (UTC) [add comment] [edit] Thanks and New Question [18 May 2019]Thanks for fixing John Philip Mertz. I have another issue. There's a profile on We Relate for Rebecca Mertz. Someone added a comment that says more or less "I doubt she was the d/o Peter and Catherine Mertz as some people believe". I have come around to that same point of view. There were two Rebecca Mertz in that place at about that time. So I would like to discuss with whoever wrote that comment and see if by comparing notes we can make a solid case for who was who. The only two people watching that page are you and "Mlcd". I know I can post a message on Rebecca's page but this seems way too complicated an issue -- there is no absolute proof one way or the other -- and in my opinion should be taken to email and then once a conclusion is reached, the essence of the conclusion can be posted. At least that's the way I like to work. So, you may have noticed, when I post things, I include my email. To encourage discussion of things. But that doesn't seem to be the We Relate protocol. Not only do I not see any email for you or that other person, I don't even see how to send a message just to one person. Am I right, there is no way to do that? So I guess this message will go somewhere and live for eternity on your system. Seems a cumbersome system to me. What am I missing? Thanks. Oakey Mertz oakeymertz@gmail.com--Oakeymertz 12:13, 16 May 2019 (UTC)
So I'll try it your way. I have posted a TALK on both Rebecca Mertz -- the one married to Jacob Schnee, the one married to Henry Tittle. Now if this works, i.e. if anyone provides any useful follow-up, then I'll be the first to congratulate you all for having a service that may actually be an improvement on everything else out there. I like to TALK. My view is you can collect all the "facts" that are out there and you'll often just be confused. It is only through analysis -- often in collaboration with others -- that the "facts" can be melded into a coherent picture. I keep my eye on all Mertz and Martz people on the big LDS family tree as well the Wiki Tree service and find-a-grave. My main interest is trying to eliminate all the many, many errors that have become "fact" about people named Mertz and Martz especially, plus a few others in my own family tree. But the problem is no one else ever wants to TALK. They don't want to hear all the "facts" that show that what they believe cannot be true, that they have mixed up two people of the same name, etc. But it's not at all clear to me that this TALK feature is used by anyone else on WeRelate. Obviously I didn't check everyone profiled on WeRelate but I checked a few people I am interested in and know that the "Internet" generally has their facts wrong about them. I checked John Kleckner (1750-1839), my ancestor. There's no TALK on his page, there should be. They have confused 2 or 3 different John Kleckners and merged them as one fellow. Their facts are all correct except some facts apply to John Kleckner who came to Hartley Township, Union County from New Jersey while other facts apply to John Kleckner who came to Mifflinburg, Union County, from Northampton County. I checked Heinrich David Martz (1746-1822). (The Mertz name often became Martz when someone moved.) There's no TALK on his page, there should be. They merged a man named Heinrich Mertz who was baptized in Rockland Township 1 Jan 1750 and was born per that record 29 Jul 1749 -- so even their facts are misstated -- with a man named David Mertz (brother of my ancestor) who became David Martz when he moved to Northumberland County where he died in 1822. This composite person was invented by Allen Donald Tallman. With a great deal of effort, I got David fixed on find-a-grave but I have given up trying to get fixed the 500 Ancestry trees that have this composite man as if such a man existed. I checked Johann Jacob Martz, again a merger of two people -- one was Heinrich's brother, the other was David's brother. No TALK. Ought to be. Both these latter two were posted apparently by "Mlcd". So your advice I take it would be for me to TALK on each of these people which would make clear to the world -- if anyone is paying attention -- that "Mlcd" wasn't a very thorough researcher, that "Mlcd" mostly just copied the errors of others with no real research to see if anything they were creating was accurate. I always try to contact such people directly and see if they can see the error of their ways. And not be so "public". For now, I think I'll just sit tight and see what develops. I'm not sure WeRelate has sufficient critical mass or momentum that I should bother trying to correct all the problems. Am I wrong? .--Oakeymertz 22:35, 17 May 2019 (UTC)
Hi WeRelate excels when a number of contributors are interested in the same data and, through crowd sourcing, improve the quality of original data submissions. As Jrich says, people usually simply update what is there, providing sources or arguments for why it is better information. Talk pages are usually created when a new contributor comes along and thinks their data might be better but is not sure, or if they think something is wrong but are not sure how to fix it. Talk pages are also great for the kind of cross-person explanation that you provided on Rebecca Mertz's Talk page. There are pockets of data (such as early New England) where I think WeRelate has the best data around, due both to crowd sourcing and the diligent work of a small group of contributors. Unfortunately, there are other areas where one contributor has uploaded a GEDCOM and no one has touched the data since, so all we get is what that one contributor had - and this ranges from excellent to garbage. A lot of garbage has been cleaned up by volunteers or removed by administrators, but a lot is still there. I would encourage you to correct what you can, for the same reason you mentioned - if bad data is out there, it will keep getting copied. You can't do much about Ancestry Public Trees or RootsWeb WorldConnect trees, but you can fix WeRelate data. Even with a small user base here, I think its integration model (such that there aren't multiple versions of data for the same person) makes it an appealing source for others. And its format (sources, notes, narrative, talk page and links) makes it one of the best sites to explain common errors and how you have fixed them. For example, you can create separate pages for different people who are commonly merged together, and then link them with comments describing how you know they are separate individuals. I am both a volunteer and an admin, and as such, I touch a lot of pages. I often don't have a depth of knowledge on pages I correct, so I might only make a small improvement without fixing bigger problems that are not immediately obvious. Occasionally I post questions on Talk pages, but before doing so, I check the activity of the contributor. (This is done by clicking their userid to get to their user page, and then clicking Contributions at the left.) If they haven't contributed for years, then they are unlikely to participate in a conversation, so I just update the page for the next person who might come along wanting to see/use the data (like you). In the case of the Mertz pages, I believe that I left the pages in better shape than they were when I found them, but obviously not perfect due to my limited research in the area. I skimmed the Talk page you added for Rebecca Mertz (1) and it very nicely lays out your research. Thanks for that contribution. I would suggest that you add a note to her Person page as well, to expand on my note by indicating that you have a theory for who her father might be (and refer the reader to the Talk page for a more in-depth analysis). Feel free to replace/rewrite my comment as you see fit. Thanks for your interest in WeRelate. I hope you decide to continue to improve the data here. Sorry for my slow response - I am dealing with the estate of a family member and not feeling all that sociable right now. But feel free to reach out - I'll get back to you eventually.--DataAnalyst 14:25, 18 May 2019 (UTC) [add comment] [edit] OK, I'll Take A More Active Role [20 May 2019]So I believe based on the comments you (several of you) have given me that you are collectively trying to create something that maybe rises above the other similar things out there. And maybe WeRelate has some kind of management team or founders and you are one of them or in contact with them. My niece married a man whose ancestry traces back to all those intermarried early New England families especially those from the Braintree/Milton, MA area. So I agree with you, WeRelate has really great, well sourced coverages of at least the people I know something about. So for now, I think I will go fix the obvious errors I’m seeing on people of interest to me. And we’ll go from there. Now I'm a newbie so you might think it quite presumptuous of me to give you my opinions on how better to do things but understand I am active on find-a-grave, Wiki Trees, and FamilySearch -- and I have strongly held opinions on what works and what doesn't, so call me presumptuous, here goes, I've been called worse. So I used the Talk feature on the two Rebecca Mertz but on the latest problem I discovered, John Kleckner, instead I used the “Personal History” feature and posted something about the two John Kleckners that have been confused into one person on WeRelate. If you look up John Kleckner, you can read what I wrote and I'll use him as my example of what might work better and why I think so. 1.) The Facts of Disambiguation. I think every person on WeRelate should have a prominent narrative profile saying some very specific thing about this person that may differentiate this person from any other of the same or a similar name. Maybe they could be called the Anchor Facts. The single biggest mistake made in genealogy, in my opinion, is people not thinking through that most names are not unique, even if we’re talking in the context of a geographic place and a specific timeframe. There were two adult John Kleckners in Union County, PA in the 1800-1830 period (and several more in other Pennsylvania counties). (As an aside, just to make this point, there were seven boys given the name Jacob Mertz born in Berks County, PA just in the one decade of the 1770’s. And three older Jacobs born there 1738-1755.) The person who created John Kleckner, I think it is clear, was trying to create William Kleckner's father. Because William is the only descendant of John’s listed and then the tree branches out from William down many generations I suspect to whoever created it. Dwkiefer I guess. But when I first looked at this John Kleckner, since almost all the posted facts pertain to a different John Kleckner than William's father, I really thought the obvious error was the name of John's wife. I hadn't yet noticed son William. So my first reaction was that I should change the name of John's wife and then I might have noticed the son and unattached him (I guess that can be done?) — but then, don't you see, I would be deleting the whole identity of the man Dwkiefer really wanted to profile, William's father. This kind of thing happens on FamilySearch all the time. People change enough of the facts about someone so the person morphs into someone else entirely and then it's a real mess. Just stating a different source and a different fact doesn’t accomplish anything, the starting point is which of several people of this name is this particular profile supposed to be? Now DWkeifer may well have chosen to write his Anchor Facts of Disambiguation about John by only giving his birth and death date and burial in Mifflinburg (all of which pertain to the “other” John Kleckner) but it would be a place to start for someone else to come along (me) and say wait a minute that guy wasn’t William’s father. So what I’m saying is TALK doesn’t get the job done because it is too hidden, you don’t see it and may not see that there is a TALK on this person. Personal History comes closer but I would put it up top, the first thing I see about the person and basically make it mandatory. Plus, I’d make it stand out. 2.) Now there's three surnames I watch really closely everywhere. Mertz (aka Martz), Hilbish (aka Hulpusch and Hollenbush, etc.) and Kleckner -- three ancestral families of mine where big mistakes have been made and keep getting propagated. Wiki has a really neat feature whereby I just list those names in my profile as ones I’m watching (they already know the alternate spellings) and I get a daily email summarizing the details of any changes to anyone of those names (and a few others I watch). From the email, I can one-click directly to the person to see the change that was made. At WeRelate (as best I can tell), and at FamilySearch, I have to go to each and every person I want to keep an eye on and take some action to be notified. In your case there are not very many of any of those names so I could go "watch" all the existing ones but I still wouldn't know about new people who might get added. Those are my two suggestions. But I’ll also throw out a comment for your consideration. WeRelate and FamilySearch have a fully crowd sourced open system. Anyone can change anything at any time. Wiki has a designated profile manager but it still is a protocol where anyone can change anything, just the profile manager will get immediate notification and can easily just undo what was done, if they desire. But the find-a-grave model is different. On find-a-grave, every memorial has an “owner” or someone who “maintains” it. Once a memorial is created, no one can change anything without the “owner’s" permission. It works great assuming the owner is willing to listen. So if some child is erroneously linked to the person, you make your case to the owner or “suggest” the appropriate edits, but they need approval(s) before any actual changes get made. Now there are two back-up systems in place. If the problem is a simple thing like adding a birth date or linking a person to his/her spouse, if the “owner” takes no action in 21 days, the change just goes through. And the second backup feature is having "people in charge", they call them the editors. If the “owner” is unresponsive or stubborn, I can make my case to the editors and they will step in and fix things. The result in my opinion is that find-a-grave has the most accurate information out there and, perhaps more importantly, the least amount of total nonsense. Sure, there are some mistakes. A date is read wrong from a tombstone or a person is linked to someone they shouldn’t be linked to. But overall, it’s the best with the best chance of not devolving into a real mess. And if you think about it, by the way, on find-a-grave the upfront Anchor Disambiguation profile is not really necessary since the memorial is specifically for a person buried in a very specific place with, let's say, a specific date (or year at least) of death. So there’s no confusion from the get-go of who we’re talking about. So I know when WeRelate was founded, no doubt a lot of consideration was given as to whether to use the “open” model or the “owner” model and I suspect you might consider my two suggestions above but likely won’t change the model you use, which is why I made it a comment — food for thought — rather than a suggestion. One question. Data Analyst said if there are two people who get confused with each other or might, they can be linked somehow. I couldn’t figure how I might do that. I’m talking about for example, John Kleckner. If I created the “other” John Kleckner — who was not related in any way to the existing one — how would I link them?--Oakeymertz 13:42, 19 May 2019 (UTC)
I think we agree and have a similar viewpoint. I've found many many errors on find-a-grave over the years but I've gotten most of them cleaned up. And I've got someone to add a comment on one of those modern tombstones of some much older person that might say for example "his tombstone says he died in 1827 but he wrote is will in 1829, so 1829 is the better date." The point is the things I've gotten fixed for the most part have stayed fixed. Because the owner understood the fix. I've fixed errors on FamilySearch and inserted commentary (which almost no one ever reads) only to find someone else come along a month later and post the same nonsense I had just got rid of.
[add comment] [edit] Person:George Johnston (23) [2 June 2019]Hi Janet Many thanks for sorting this out. I'm going to add the parish because I saw it along with George, and the bit in the Gazetteer infers the family had been there for a number of generations. My temptation is go on and add the Keith family who purchased the Caskiegen estate off the Johnstons and are well traced in Wikipedia. /cheers, --Goldenoldie 15:12, 2 June 2019 (UTC) [add comment] [edit] Family:William Whitcomb and Dorothy Taylor (1) [6 July 2019]Hi Janet Have you ever looked into this family? I just came across them due to the references to Essex. The birth and death places of the couple definitely look suspicious. Going back through William's line raises more question marks. Looks to me like a family born in the head of someone looking at One World Tree. What do you think? regards, Pat --Goldenoldie 19:57, 5 July 2019 (UTC) See here, for example. Apparently Hardwick, Shropshire, Gloucester, England, not Hardwick, Massachusetts. --Jrich 20:39, 5 July 2019 (UTC)
[add comment] [edit] Dallan suggests ... [26 nov 2019]See my Talk page Thx Ron--woepwoep 06:46, 26 November 2019 (UTC) [add comment] [edit] treviscoe, Cornwall [28 December 2019]Hi I got your addition of Treviscoe. I shall add coords once I have a look at Google earth. The places in red for the wife in the family are directly South of Treviscoe, perhaps a mile or two. (source: UK road atlas). Forgive spelling please. Am writing on a tablet which is not reading my mind properly. Regards and happy New year. --Goldenoldie 10:09, 28 December 2019 (UTC) [add comment] [edit] Ory Haupert [23 March 2020]DataAnalyst, Thanks for updating "Ory Haupert" and his siblings. After looking at your changes, I found a couple of other sources in my Legacy Program. I will get back to entering those "someday". I guess "Ory" was a nickname for Ora? --White Creek 21:34, 23 March 2020 (UTC)
[add comment] [edit] new user uploaded 2 gedcoms needing many edits [12 June 2020]Hello Janet, New User 2BConnie has uploaded 2 gedcoms that contain many errors and lots of unuseable verbage that will need to be deleted manually. I am considering blocking this user from uploading anymore gedcoms. Do you have an opinion? --Susan Irish 00:01, 11 June 2020 (UTC)
[add comment] [edit] Number of person pages [2 October 2020]Hello ! Can we change (update) this number (2,900,000 from 16 Aug 2018) ? ---> We have now 2,955,000)
adding persons as we speak :-) woepwoep 14:06, 25 June 2020 (UTC) "include talk" checkbox implemented ... It's fine ! Thank you !
[add comment] [edit] WeRelate policy on living persons [26 July 2020]Bonjour Janet, Je sais tout cela vraiment parfaitement depuis que j'ai découvert et testé Werelate (2008-2010) et y participe (2013). Le seul problème est le temps que prennent la consultation des données et leur saisie. Je travaille en particulier sur l'implantation géographique des patronymes, l'évolution des professions et l'exode rural au 19ème siècle. J'habite dans la région et depuis 30 ans j'ai visité aussi de nombreux cimetières et quelques mairies. J'ai pu parfois rencontrer certains habitants qui m'ont donné des informations rapides mais seulement orales. S'il te plait, ne détruis pas mes fiches ! Autre chose ! Peux-tu supprimer Place:Rubembré, Somme, France ? Merci ! Hello Janet, I know all this really perfectly since I discovered and tested Werelate (2008-2010) and participate in it (2013). The only problem is the time taken to view the data and enter it. I work in particular on the geographical implantation of surnames, the evolution of professions and the rural exodus in the 19th century. I live in the region and for 30 years I have also visited many cemeteries and some town halls. I was sometimes able to meet certain inhabitants who gave me quick information but only oral information. Please don't destroy my files! Something else ! Can you delete Place:Rubembré, Somme, France ? Thank you ! ---Markus3 16:10, 26 July 2020 (UTC) [add comment] [edit] Sandbox FTE replacement [26 August 2020]Hi, Janet, I tried out the early code on sandbox.WR, even though I've never been much of an FTE user. I only noticed one anomaly, which turned out to probably be nothing. I was browsing various pages in the TestTree and clicking prev and next on the list. At one point, the page that had been displayed changed to a different one when I pressed prev, which I thought odd. Found I could repeat that if I navigated to Person:Olive Benedict (e.g. by a click on a Family:Charles Kilborn and Olive Benedict link), and then pressed prev. The Olive page would be replaced by a recently viewed page. I checked to see if Person:Olive wasn't on TestTree, but the "Trees" link in the sidebar said it was. Finally I noticed that Olive's sidebar had a "Watch" link instead of a "Unwatch" link. I don't think I had unwatched it. Anyway I turned on Watch, and Olive remained in view after a next or prev. So the behavior was more reasonable with that knowledge.I assume the various <anglebracketed> things (and some & lt ; stuff) I saw was just scaffolding bits and was expected. So overall things look like they work, but as I said I'm not much of an FTE user. --robert.shaw 23:58, 21 August 2020 (UTC) I've been playing in the sandbox for an hour or two -- and Wow. Yes, your version looks a little different, not being Flash, but the functionality appears to be spot-on. Trying things out, I see it even disappears a name from the list on the left when you re-save the edited page to a different tree -- which is exactly what I want to be able to do. I.e., as I work my way down a list of a hundred or so new pages in the "TEMP" tree, the list gets shorter as I clean them up and reassign them to their permanent tree. The Flash version had ceased doing that particular thing a while back, so that's great! I would definitely have no problem using your version to get my work done. Thank you very much for doing this. I guess it's just my psychology -- I'm word-oriented rather than graphically-oriented -- but I've always greatly preferred lists as a method for doing something. I've never had much use for all those fancy charts genealogy programs want to offer you, either. You say your coding skills are limited, but they're far beyond mine, anyway. I've kind of gotten away from the whole Flash-replacement discussion at Watercooler because I wasn't really following all the points that were being made. So, does it look like we're going to end up with a viable GEDCOM upload process, even if it's a more limited version thn what we had? --MikeTalk 09:13, 26 August 2020 (UTC)
[add comment] [edit] Searching for families [30 September 2020]I noticed Families has been added to the Search menu. This is very useful, as usually this is the easiest way to find a specific person. Thank you. --Jrich 18:34, 30 September 2020 (UTC)
[add comment] [edit] former used website for Dutch geneology [1 October 2020]As I get to see older recorded data, I noticed that many Frisian family entries carry the "Genlias" data When I get to work with the data of that particular family, I delete the "Genlias" entry and write the original version (as seen in "Tresoar"). The reason being that www.allefriezen.nl might end up like "Genlias" and we are left with no data at all. Sorry if these sentences are not correctly formulated. Kind regards --Beatrijs 02:24, 1 October 2020 (UTC) [add comment] [edit] [3 October 2020]Hi Janet I've got a problem with four Sources found in "What links here" for towns in Lancashire, England.
There are two parishes named Bispham in Lancashire, and from the original descriptions provided for these sources they could refer to either one. I have marked them as Bispham (Fylde) because that is the parish I came to first in a 2020 revision of descriptions of the parishes of Lancashire. Now I have moved down the county somewhat and am working on the area between Liverpool and Manchester and this is where Bispham (West Lancashire) is located. I have added a note under "Usage tips" on each source, but I would far rather correct the titles if I could do so condidently. The sources probably come from the old Family History Library Catalog which probably has been updated since FamilySearch came into being. Have you any suggestions as to how I could go about this? I don't have any idea where the old catalog might now be found. I am glad to see you are tackling problems that have been hiding in the "Suggestion Box" for many a year. I haven't used the copy ability you have added to sources on Person and Family pages yet, but, like you, I try to sort out other people's family trees from time to time, and this will be a wonderful tool to speed up the process. I have always kept a scratchpad software program on my screen, but even that can be time-consuming when there are 10 or so children. Keep up the good work Regards, Pat --Goldenoldie 12:08, 2 October 2020 (UTC)
[add comment] [edit] Keffers [24 October 2020]Hi Janet I see you have taken a break from coding. I discovered the Keffers in 2013 when I was taking a break from sorting out Ontario geography. Thay are not my family, but I was aware of Marian Keffer and her work with the Ontario Genealogical Society in its early days. I felt the Canadian branch of the family as presented in WR deserved a bit of "flesh on the bones" that early Canadian censuses might provide. It kept me busy for a couple of weeks, and taught me something about presentation of genealogies. In the first half of the 1800s Markham-Vaughan area was very agricultural, with many families still living on the lots doled out to first settlers. My Arnold ancestors were among them, living at Lot 44 on the Markham side of Yonge Street just south of Richmond Hill. By tracing them I discovered that my great-great grandmother, Margaret (nee Phillips) had a sister, Mary Charlotte, married to George Quantz, living on Markham Concession 2, with a Lot number indicating that the two families lived perhaps within three miles of each other--something the sisters were probably glad of. (The friendship between the families went on into the 20th century according to a cousin of mine.) Then, in tracing the Keffers I discovered George Quantz standing up for 2 or 3 of his sisters when they married Keffer boys. It just shows how small the community was. I hope you haven't found too many obvious errors in my Keffer contributions. It was a fairly early foray into serious genealogical searching. /cheers, Pat --Goldenoldie 08:09, 24 October 2020 (UTC)
[add comment] [edit] Spammers yesterday [3 November 2020]Hello ! Can you block these users, plesase ? KellyeUnwin5, MarthaHarriet, WillardCurry, MariettaYne, AlbertinaMulvany https://www.werelate.org/wiki/Why_It_Isn_t_Straightforward_To_Search_Out_Low_Value_Toys_In_Toys_Market https://www.werelate.org/wiki/RC_Toys:_A_Fantastic_Gift_To_Youngsters_In_This_New_Yr_Season https://www.werelate.org/wiki/Ideas_For_Choosing_Applicable_Toys_For_The_Zero_To_2_Yr_Olds https://www.werelate.org/wiki/The_Ulitmate_Juc%C4%83rii_Pentru_Copii_Trick https://www.werelate.org/wiki/Why_It_Is_Not_Simple_To_Find_Low_Price_Toys_In_Toys_Market - Thanks ! --Markus3 08:19, 3 November 2020 (UTC)
[add comment] [edit] fte glitch? [4 November 2020]I am posting here for your review because this is not really a problem, it just works funny. I noticed the following because I got dis-oriented navigating a family tree and saw this unexpected result. It probably is not a sequence of steps that would typically happen, hence not really a problem. When I click on Family Tree on a Family page, there is a dot that represents the page I am looking at. If I click on the "Family" link of that dot, it opens the page I am looking at in the FTE subwindow. I end up looking at the Family page, and embedded inside the FTE subwindow, the same page is displayed. If I click on the Family link for a different Family Page, it works as expected, opening the different page, replacing the page I was looking at. Maybe this is intended behavior, but it seems like the link to the current Family page should either be inactive (maybe the dot for the current Family Page should have a different appearance, like a star or the kind of teardrop seen on maps?), or just cause a refresh (appears to be what happens when you click on the link for the current Person page when you invoke FTE from a Person page). Here may offer a small tree that makes this relatively easy to see. It is basically one person with a Family page for the parents (this link) and another for his own marriage. If you click on the Family link for the parents in FTE, you should see what I describe. If you click on the Family link for his own marriage, you go to a different page. Once you are on his own marriage, that dot acts as I describe, while the dot for his parents takes you back to the original page. Hope that is clear. --Jrich 16:28, 4 November 2020 (UTC)
[add comment] [edit] Up/date [5 November 2020]hi Janet, i think there is something going wrong with the latest greatest up/date. i change okt for Oct and then okt is still written see for example Janna Bloemena thx Ron woepwoep 02:04, 5 November 2020 (UTC)
[add comment] [edit] Thanks [24 November 2020]It is clear everybody is sending you bugs, etc. But I hope it is not discouraging, and thanks, it is so exciting to actually have a hope of seeing things fixed. It suggests a major reassessment of the viability of this site (not that I was planning on leaving but it is nice not to think one is walking up a dead end). Thank you for taking this on. --Jrich 02:52, 23 November 2020 (UTC)
I too am very happy with your efforts to make things better. Do let me know if i can be of any help, and how, for example by letting me know which pages to follow so that i am informed of your changes. Thanks Ron woepwoep 04:42, 24 November 2020 (UTC)
[add comment] [edit] 110 years [10 December 2020]Hi Janet, I record people who are in the official registry (geldersarchief.nl) so there is no reason for the 110 years limit on WR. I used to mark the death date as dot (.) but this no longer works. Can you help me find an alternative? Thanks Ron woepwoep 06:27, 8 December 2020 (UTC)
Hi, Ron. The official WeRelate policy is set at 110 years and does not make exceptions by country. If you can't find a death date, I would ask you to refrain from creating pages for these people until after 110 years have passed. There is a valid reason for WeRelate's 110 year limit regardless of the publication policies of individual countries. While the information you are entering is publicly available, adding it to WeRelate might make it easier to find or make family relationships (e.g., siblings, nieces/nephews) easier to determine, adding to the risk of identity theft or fraud. It is the elderly who need the most protection, as they are often the most vulnerable. Dallan and the original advisors set the limit at 110 years (a fairly standard limit for genealogy sites, recognizing of course that a few people live even longer than that) and that will be enforced. (Of course, if you have or can find the death date, you are welcome to create the page.) - Janet --DataAnalyst 15:42, 9 December 2020 (UTC)
[add comment] [edit] Fehr Jacob John - 24.ged Imported Successfully [11 December 2020]Congratulations! The pages from your GEDCOM have been generated successfully. Now you can:
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[add comment] [edit] minor issue [19 December 2020]I edited a page with a bad date, and properly saw a yellow warning message showing the previous format. It turns out, however, that I ended up deleting the whole fact for various reasons. The yellow warning message stayed on the page and the next fact moved up to take the place of the deleted one. It appeared to be connected to the remaining fact now (though comparison of the message makes it clear the dates don't agree). So not significant. and if these messages are going away this problem goes away. If they are staying though. the software may want to check if there is an attached warning when the Remove function is selected for a fact. Just a head up, since I suspect this is a rare case. --Jrich 06:24, 19 December 2020 (UTC)
[add comment] [edit] Can I try the new reviewer? [19 December 2020]Hi - I've been slowing getting through a gedcom I uploaded on Dec. 5 - GroupIA.ged, I think is what it's called. Can I get a link to try the new reviewer? Thanks! --Amelia 18:42, 19 December 2020 (UTC)
[add comment] [edit] Frances Munday record [21 December 2020]Thanks for fixing up that record! https://www.werelate.org/wiki/Person:Frances_Munday_%281%29 William Loughner--Loughner 16:07, 20 December 2020 (UTC)
[add comment] [edit] Frances Weymouth [21 December 2020]I really resent your dropping of Sherrie Wright's name from this page. The only reason this page exists, is because Sherrie was a professional genealogist, who was a personal friend of Frances, and before both of them died, she found where her ancestry went back to a Lauer family from Chicago. If this treatment of data continues, why should I ever bother to add anymore data to WeRelate, or even keep my postings here? --White Creek 22:22, 21 December 2020 (UTC)
[add comment] [edit] Tweak copy/paste source function: [24 December 2020]Hi It took a while to get from the email advising me "amendments had been made" to finding your notes on the topic made today. Would it be possible to give us a link to the page where the amendments are instead of to the Introduction to Suggestions? I had a chance to really put the copy-paste function to work about a week ago. As well as spreading the details of three census years through a family of ten, I also discovered it was useful in re-ordering an individual's sources into chronological order. I am sure I will be using it again soon, but I am now back to improving place pages. Hope you have a good Christmas despite whatever lockdown regulations you are coping with. --Goldenoldie 19:44, 24 December 2020 (UTC)
[add comment] [edit] East End of London [5 January 2021]Nice to get rid of a place that was never really there. /cheers, --Goldenoldie 20:42, 5 January 2021 (UTC) [add comment] [edit] Thank You! [18 January 2021]Hi Janet, This is just a note to thank you for steeping-up to the challenge of doing things for WeRelate that Dallan no longer has time and attention for! Decades ago I worked in software support so I have a deep appreciation of what you are doing for the community. In the late 1970s I began migrating from software engineering into systems architecture and hardware engineering, though I have remained a power user of a lot of software tools. So if this were FORTRAN or Assembly or a hardware design language I could chip-in and help. As things stand all I can do is cheer you on from the sidelines. --Jhamstra 17:58, 18 January 2021 (UTC)
[add comment] [edit] Changes to Selina Redding (27 Jan 2021) [29 January 2021]Your changes to Selina Redding made me do some more researching on this family. The censuses for her parents and siblings have now been added for decades 1861-1881. Selina's sister Catherine was duplicated as Kate. Obviously, Richard lost the farm he inherited and took his family "down the road" and across the county border to Ashley Green. I have always taken an interest in this broad family because, in the late 1970's, one of the descendents was an immediate neighbour in the village I still live in. /cheers, --Goldenoldie 11:19, 29 January 2021 (UTC) [add comment] [edit] John Hicks of Hempstead [5 March 2021]Thanks for adding the nomerge. I should have thought of that myself. It does give me the opportunity to echo the thanks for the work you're putting in to our benefit.--jaques1724 18:03, 5 March 2021 (UTC) [add comment] [edit] dateless marriages [21 March 2021]I suspect you are working on this? See Person:Hannah Dow (4). I did an edit with several changes and it did not fix the issue. No marriage is shown to account for the blank marriage in the infobox. --Jrich 16:39, 21 March 2021 (UTC)
[add comment] [edit] Your Edit [30 April 2021]Hi, I don’t know why you changed Raphael’s father. His father is Noah. Mars--Mars 22:37, 30 April 2021 (UTC)
Yes. I believe it is correct now.--Mars 23:15, 30 April 2021 (UTC) [add comment] [edit] Spam [10 May 2021]Hello ! Please ... see RBI’s COVID-19 relief policies for MSME in India - --Markus3 14:31, 10 May 2021 (UTC)
[add comment] [edit] Dead link ? [16 May 2021]Hello Janet ! Please, see this person page (and family) : Person:Désiré Coret (2) ... The references field is sending to "nothing" ! Is this "link/information" to fix, to remain or to remove ? - --Markus3 07:36, 16 May 2021 (UTC) [add comment] [edit] Your Edit of May 20, 2021 [21 May 2021]Hello, Please tell me why you removed Michael and Zippe Shmushkovitzs' daughter Jeanne (Shmushkovitz) Moskowitz Dorfman from my tree. Mars--Mars 03:35, 21 May 2021 (UTC)
[add comment] [edit] Help fixing a Source page renaming error [30 May 2021]Hi DA - Could you take a look at the history of this Source page and let me know what you think would be the best way to repair the renaming error that was done last summer? I don't believe that it is as simple as just removing the "redirect", since the content was already moved over, but I can't remember exactly how best to handle it. I haven't done one in so long, and I don't want to mess it up. :)
[add comment] [edit] Mistake on Dirk Arnoldus De Beer [6 June 2021]Good Day, I accidentally uploaded a personal narrative/diary onto the incorrect Dirk De Beer. I have uploaded it to the correct Dirk (who lived during the World War II), but now there is a duplication. Could you please help me to delete the image on the incorrect Dirk Arnoldus De Beer? Many thanks!--KrissyD 18:38, 5 June 2021 (UTC)
Hi there, you’re correct, thanks. Please do go ahead and delete the picture on Dirk Arnoldus De Beer (Dirk De Beer (3)). Thanks so much!--KrissyD 17:26, 6 June 2021 (UTC)
[add comment] [edit] Living People [10 June 2021]Thank you for your message. I will try to find DODs for people posted but, if not, feel free to delete per the standards. Thank you for your contribution to this site. rc--Rebekah Carlisle 17:56, 10 June 2021 (UTC) [add comment] [edit] Duplicate family pages? [10 July 2021]I stumbled on these two family pages; which I believe to be duplicate. If you agree; perhaps you can merge. I don't know how. https://www.werelate.org/wiki/Special:Search?sort=score&ns=Family&hg=William+&hs=Hunnex+&wg=Sarah+&ws=Price--fbax.ca 20:10, 10 July 2021 (UTC)
[add comment] [edit] Source:Ancestry.com - OneWorldTree [14 July 2021]Hello, Janet ! I'm trying to verify some person pages (France, Les Biards (Manche), 1680-1740). The initial contributor is no more activ and his sources are of poor quality. I found the original records on the "Archives Départementales". May I remove all these bad and approximative sources (Ancestry.com) ? ---> family Theberge or Teberge. - Thanks ! Marc Roussel ---Markus3 14:08, 14 July 2021 (UTC)
[add comment] [edit] Changing parent names [21 July 2021]Thank you. It is fixed.--Mars 13:13, 21 July 2021 (UTC) [add comment] [edit] "Family:Thomas Dossett and Elizabeth Aldridge (1)" [26 July 2021]I note your addition of a christening date for the son of this couple. Omitting an event year is an error that the original contributor (who has brought us thousands of entries) does a great deal. Frustrating. Many of the entries occurred in places very close to where I live (hence my interest), but the info has been published as booklets for individual parishes by the local family history society and, frankly, I can't afford them. If a census might help, I often seek help from Ancestry. Another topic. If a placename is edited by using a phrase in brackets, the capitalized words in brackets get changed to lower case. I quite often try to distinguish one placename from another by its location, i.e. "Smalltown (near Largetown), county, country". These always end up "Smalltown (near largetown), county, country". Is there any change you could make to the program to stop this from happening? Many thanks, --Goldenoldie 11:43, 26 July 2021 (UTC) [add comment] [edit] French place : Rouen --> Canteleu [26 July 2021]Hello ! Please, excuse my very bad english (I must use GoogleTraduction). I continue to try cleaning the places of the records of France. I come back to a big problem noticed as soon as I officially arrived on Werelate (April 2013). This concerns an abusive and systematic automatic transformation : Rouen (large city) -> Canteleu (small locality). Can you explain to me the reason of this modification (especially appeared during a "merging", I think). Does this still occur ? Here are some examples : https://www.werelate.org/w/index.php?title=Person:William_Clito_%281%29&diff=prev&oldid=18629789 https://www.werelate.org/w/index.php?title=Person%3AYves_Jeanne_%281%29&diff=10395767&oldid=3735275 https://www.werelate.org/w/index.php?title=Person:Empress_Matilda_%281%29&diff=next&oldid=11173583 https://www.werelate.org/w/index.php?title=Person:Elizabeth_of_York_%282%29&diff=next&oldid=11129887 The correction work will be important : - Thanks - --Markus3 16:05, 26 July 2021 (UTC)
[add comment] [edit] No place, no date [31 August 2021]Hello ! Please, see Family:Russell Rowley and Helen Rocher (1) - --Markus3 08:16, 31 August 2021 (UTC)
[add comment] [edit] German placenaming problem [2 September 2021]Hi Janet I have written to Ron and explained how I go about these problems. Basically I redirect all small places into the parishes they are part of. Parishes are the basis for making register entries whether the parishes are church-based or civil. In North America I would use townships and incorporated towns and cities. /cheers, --Goldenoldie 15:25, 1 September 2021 (UTC)
[add comment] [edit] Edits to page [5 September 2021]Hello, I noticed you made some changes to the page https://www.werelate.org/wiki/Family:John_Brown_and_Elizabeth_Nicol_%281%29 and was wondering if you could let me know why Alexander Brown has been removed? Is this just due to the lack of sources? Alexander was my Grandfather’s brother. Thank you Gordon--Gmcgough 21:16, 5 September 2021 (UTC)
[add comment] [edit] J Vollema deleted by you yesterday [19 September 2021]Should read Dirkje Vollema, marriage details are okay. I reentered all details. Regards and have a nice day --Beatrijs 03:07, 19 September 2021 (UTC)
[add comment] [edit] Thanks for cleaning up pages I added [16 October 2021]Not sure if I've said this before, but thanks very much for cleaning up pages I added, especially ones who may be living. I'll try to be more careful not to add living people in future!--jocelyn_K_B 08:21, 16 October 2021 (UTC)
[add comment] [edit] writing "fixed" behind the corrected data [9 November 2021]Hallo Janet. I have a problem indicating the word "fixed". Is there a special way to do that? Thanks --Beatrijs 21:54, 9 November 2021 (UTC)
[add comment] [edit] Child born before parents [12 November 2021]Hi Janet, I found this entry [Johanna Teppers] where the parents were born after the child. Maybe this calls for yet another algorithm to improve quality? Thanks, Ron woepwoep 05:31, 12 November 2021 (UTC)
[add comment] [edit] Somerset and Devon BMB records [15 December 2021]Hi Janet I'm glad you think this kind of note is helpful. And thanks, also, for your Christmas greetings. I've been working on a parish by parish re-edit of Somerset since September. A huge county with far too many parishes (average size in 2011 census about 200 people!) Got to the final tidying up today. Another day or two and it will be complete. Yippee! The county has yielded too many people who were married before they were born, etc. Mostly before 1500. /cheers, and Merry Christmas to you. Pat (--Goldenoldie 21:37, 15 December 2021 (UTC)) [add comment] [edit] Proofreading of surname list needed [19 December 2021]Hello - I've filled the surname list gap you identified for Source:Biographical Record of Whiteside County, Illinois. Thanks. --ceyockey 18:59, 19 December 2021 (UTC) P.S. I'm in my third decade in IT now, currently as a business analyst.
[add comment] [edit] Request to add century check [18 January 2022]hi Janet, is it possible that you add a basic check to adding a person or family page, for example that entry gives an error when death arrives before birth ( wrong century ) ? thx Ron woepwoep 15:38, 18 January 2022 (UTC)
[add comment] [edit] A place in Oise, France [29 January 2022]Hello ! I have a problem with Person:Abel Navarre (1). I don't understand ... This place exists : Place:Moulin-sous-Touvent, Oise, France. Thanks ! - --Markus3 09:42, 29 January 2022 (UTC)
[add comment] [edit] How to assert that a person was born before their parents were married? [19 February 2022]See for example Anton. On his birth certificate it says "Opmerking: Wettiging en erkenning" which means "Note: Legitimation and Recognition" Looking for a template or some other solution to assert that the child was born before the parents got married, so your excellent report will pick it up and not throw an error. thx Ron woepwoep 08:07, 3 February 2022 (UTC)
I don't agree that this shouldn't be reported. The report identifies situations where the family construction could be incorrect - children attributed to the incorrect marriage - which encourages research to fix records. There are also situations where one of the dates is incorrect - I just fixed a marriage date (Family:Hubert Baker and Kathryn Mabus (1)) that was off by a decade, which I wouldn't have noticed without the report. There are certainly many situations in which children were actually born before the parents were married, but probably even more where the data is incorrect. And if the data is incorrect, it might be the child's birth date that is wrong, which is why I'm checking in the first place - to monitor for potentially living people. As for whether or not there should be a template - it was requested so that the report could exclude verified situations, but it also answers a question (and could save a lot of time) for the next researcher who comes along and thinks the children might be in the wrong marriage. Of course, this should really be addressed with sources and notes, which should be added regardless of a template. This might not be necessary for cultures where birth before the parents' marriage was not uncommon, but that's not the majority of WeRelate data.--DataAnalyst 18:38, 12 February 2022 (UTC)
[add comment] [edit] 2 points [12 May 2022]Hi Janet ! 1) Are these "user pages" to be deleted (spammers ?) : User:Laticiagibson, User:Pamcompany, User:Digitalmarketingagency 2) The home page is to be updated (total person pages --> more as 3011000 Thanks - Merci ! - --Markus3 16:56, 7 March 2022 (UTC)
[add comment] [edit] Thanks for the typo fix in year of birth [7 March 2022]https://www.werelate.org/w/index.php?title=Person%3AMayme_Petcher_%282%29&diff=27008790&oldid=27008112 --ceyockey 01:36, 8 March 2022 (UTC) [add comment] [edit] Elizabeth Parkhurst [11 March 2022]I understand you are cleaning up data, and I appreciate the motivation, but if good sources are not used, it is not clear anything better is being produced. This is an ambiguous case, but as a general rule, I seriously doubt all reports of people of extreme age unless there is a contemporary record. You cited [4], not exactly a quality source. It claims to have two sources for the death date. One is the History of Martha's Vineyard by Banks, which says [5] "The date of her death is unknown." The other source is Find A Grave which has no image but says "Massachusetts, Town Death Records, 1620-1850, Elizabeth Merrey died 28 Jan 1732 and was buried in Tisbury." The VRs of Tisbury say the lady who died this date was age 36 so clearly a different person, and obviously it is not the same date that the memorial page shows. So how is this relevant? Yet no source for the 1727 date is given, it is simply asserted with no gravestone image to prove it. So we are left wondering where did that 1727 date come from? Further, Joseph's son Samuel d. 6 Oct 1727 (Tisbury VRs, p. 232)!!!!!! I could probably follow around some of the people doing similar cleanup and fix things on every page they touch after they are done, because they are looking at sloppy pages done with sloppy research and they are doing corrections that don't require any sources or any thought, and so leave all the mistakes, just prettified. But at least badly incorrect pages are obvious, such as Elizabeth being given the death date of Joseph's first wife, a date prior to her second marriage, which makes it clear work is needed on that page. --Jrich 22:52, 9 March 2022 (UTC)
[add comment] [edit] Incorrect use of alt_fact - question mark? [16 March 2022]Hi - I've responded at Person talk:Mary Stewart (140) as it's a "local" query - until it's not :-) . Regards --ceyockey 00:58, 17 March 2022 (UTC)
[add comment] [edit] Good Catch [19 March 2022]Thanks for catching that I had the wrong generation of Klaas van der Valk. I might have noticed for myself except I transitioned to working on my Ancestry tree because the AlleFriezen search engine was down. The irony is that a marriage connected to the wrong generation of Klaas van der Valk is what caught my eye and got me working on this family in the first place. And this means I still don't know whether Klaas yemes van der Valk had a first wife. --pkeegstra 13:42, 19 March 2022 (UTC)
[add comment] [edit] Oops! [28 March 2022]Well this is at least the second time you have caught one of my dates entered in the wrong century. This is a bit embarrassing. Seriously, thanks for cleaning up some of our little messes. --Jhamstra 01:59, 26 March 2022 (UTC)
[add comment] [edit] Help:Place pages has been changed (1 Apr 2022) [1 April 2022]Hi Janet I've been looking through the FAQ that was reproduced following your answer with regard to the timeout error. As you know I do a lot of work on places for WeRelate, mostly for places from the UK. Early on I realized there were articles in Wikipedia that needed some alterations to fit with the needs of family historians and genealogists. However, Wikipedia usually provides a format that is tempting to follow. For this reason I always head my text with the sentence:
The Wikipedia author may be dealing solely with present-day facts, while we try to base our facts around the place hierarchy that was in use in 1900. In the UK there were major changes in 1974 (including counties changing their names or combining with each other) and since then "unitary authorities" have come into fashion replacing the historic and earlier administrative counties altogether. Naturally, our users will depend on sources written at an earlier time and provide different placenames. I do my best to discuss these changes on the place pages and fill in the "Alt names", "Located in", "Also located in" (for county changes) and "See also" (for places between the county and the specific parish). The Description field on Person pages is also useful here, particularly for phrases like "of London". English counties are divided and then subdivided into a fantastic number of places. I have tried to reduce this by making a parish the smallest of places discussed. Sources were produced at the parish level so hamlets, chapelries, settlements, etc. are treated with a #redirect[[Place:their parish, etc]]. If the subordinate places have some importance, a paragraph is devoted to them within the article. Places that are redirected (hamlets, etc, as well as variations in spelling of the parish) appear under "Alt names" automatically. (I wish the word "source" did not always come up in this field. It does not always fit the remainder of the explanation.) You won't like this one, but I have removed hyphens from all placenames with redirects--they get in the way and take time to correct, e.g. "St. Martin's-in-the-Fields" (which was a parish as well as just a church). I gather "Research tips" into a template and copy the template for each parish within a county (usually). I don't know whether you will like or loathe the way I have been tackling places over the past 5 or 6 years. I am now working again on the North Riding of Yorkshire--one of the very first areas I worked on--amazing what I have learned and what I have found where to learn during that time! I am pretty well housebound because of having to care for a mentally disabled daughter and my own arthritis, but WR keeps my 82 year old brain alive! Regards, Pat --Goldenoldie 11:50, 1 April 2022 (UTC) [add comment] [edit] New Data Quality Issues pages [18 May 2022]Hi Janet I have realized I didn't thank you for looking at the problem with lists that do not go up to the end of the alphabet. Life has been very hectic lately and computer sessions have changed from hours to minutes. But the washing is now out on the line and my disabled daughter has had her breakfast and the morning visit from the carer. So, before, I get to work on regular place descriptions for WR, thanks a lot. --Goldenoldie 11:20, 18 May 2022 (UTC)
[add comment] [edit] Removing Sources needed template [19 May 2022]I'm curious re: this recent edit. I understand that you are implementing a recent round of style conventions, but why remove the sources needed template on a page with no sources? I recall a lot of back and forth when the template was first introduced, but I thought the resulting outcome was in favor of using it. Has that changed?
So, I guess I overstepped in removing the template. My understanding was that the liberal use of the template, especially on pages with a single watcher who left WeRelate years ago, meant that the value of the template was significantly diluted. Of course, now that users can filter "What Links Here" to their watchlist, using the template as Jrich mentioned, as a reminder to come back and add sources, makes sense. I'll stop removing the template.--DataAnalyst 02:07, 19 May 2022 (UTC)
[add comment] [edit] Why here ? [5 June 2022]Hello ! Is this really useful ? --> MySource:Wobbitt/Source (8) --> MySource:Wobbitt/Source (6) - --Markus3 07:35, 5 June 2022 (UTC)
[add comment] [edit] New Albany [18 June 2022]I saw a change to Kraft-Graceland Memorial Park in New Albany from cemetery to city. I question the change. It seems a true city should not have a cemetery name. Can you provide a reason for the change?--Stoney7path 01:29, 19 June 2022 (UTC)
[add comment] [edit] Renaming function [16 July 2022]Hello Janet ! It's impossible for me to rename places, when they are (since page's creation) in a bad "département". Please see "Le Cannet" --> Alpes-Maritimes / Var ! --> [[Category:Speedy Delete]] ... and the problem with Place:Saint-Benoîr-du-Sault, Indre, France and Place:Nancy, Moselle, France Thanks ! ----Markus3 09:15, 16 July 2022 (UTC)
[add comment] [edit] Minor edit needed to home page, I think [16 July 2022]Hello, Janet. On the WeRelate home page, in the Featured page section, I think there is a little problem in the third sentence which looks like an incomplete edit. Are you the person I should bring this to the attention of? Thanks.--Julie Kelts 20:08, 16 July 2022 (UTC)
[add comment] [edit] A girl "Petit" with a father "Payet" [22 July 2022]Hello ! There is a problem with this family Family:Charles Delisle and Marguerite Petit (1) ... The site Francogene knows these persons : http://www.francogene.com/ymtx/gfangfna.php?no=2285 ... But WeRelate gives (I mean) bad parents for Marguerite Petit. His father is not "Petit" but "Payet".
[add comment] [edit] re: Your Message on My Talk Page [31 July 2022]- Thanks for your input on my questions to Susan Irish. I do know that name/location/date fields have standards, but didn't know if cleanup on "GEDCOM junk" had any stated guidelines. Since I didn't know that the various numbers (RIN, APIS, MH, etc.) were from my GEDCOM imports, I hadn't removed them. As I work here, I will consider any unfamiliar data as "GEDCOM junk" that can be removed. Thanks again to you and Susan for your input and assistance. - --Rwbdragon 20:03, 31 July 2022 (UTC) - [add comment] [edit] Problem saving the page [2 August 2022]Found a page Person:James Fraley (6) where I think the facts after death are preventing the ability to save the page. I came across this page (and now all of the other pages from this 2020 gedcom... sigh), because the user (or the gedcom reviewer) created all new Source pages for almost every citation on every Person page. That's one of the problems, but as you can see, there are others. Another one is an issue with the dates. They did a very common thing, which is to cite child marriage and death records when they name the parents. Sometimes these record dates fell after the death of the parent. Is it correct to guess that these dates after death are causing the saving problem with the new date checking routine? Thanks, --cos1776 23:17, 2 August 2022 (UTC)
[add comment] [edit] The additional argument to defer template [9 August 2022]I assume you know it doesn't have to be there. If missing it should use a default value like "Issues reported at WeRelate->Data Quality Issues". Many templates do use default values (.e.g. vrtype). Although ideal, it seems like a waste of time adding it. Fix the template first, and from then on, will be handled right. I have done a couple hundred already and I see you're only on the A's in your list... --Jrich 23:55, 8 August 2022 (UTC)
[add comment] [edit] deleted family [10 August 2022]hi Janet, I am looking at https://www.werelate.org/wiki/Special:Undelete/Family:Antonius_Klein_Goldewijk_and_Doortje_Derksen_%281%29 The obituary of Antonius says he is a weduwnaar of Doortje so this means she died before him. Can you undo the delete pls? Thx Ron woepwoep 06:32, 9 August 2022 (UTC) Same goes for https://www.werelate.org/wiki/Special:Undelete/Family:Bernardus_Klein_Goldewijk_and_Riek_Rouwhorst_%281%29--woepwoep 06:33, 9 August 2022 (UTC)
[add comment] [edit] Jonas Hinchliffe [25 August 2022]Hi Janet Thanks so much for solving my "whale" of a problem. I was very glad to see it sorted when I woke up this morning (7 hour time difference between us, I think). Your query about the birth dates. That was caused by leaving in extraneous material while I inspected the baptismal sources. Actually, I think there is a third Jonas Hinchliffe! You once mentioned the difficulties you were trying to fix in JustAlf's contributions. I think Dsrodgers34 is of the same ilk. He quotes the sources for each individual without ever looking at the microfilm images, and therefore misses a lot of clues. For example, Jonas H (3) had a sister Mary who was still living at home after she was married and was listed by both married and maiden names in her parents' list of children. I got that one fixed. In looking for sources in this part of Yorkshire I found Source:England. Non-Conformist and Non-Parochial Registers, 1567-1970 in Ancestry. One of the church collections included is that of Holmfirth Wesleyan Methodist Chapel where all the baptisms and burials from 1790 up to 1840 are listed in one volume and every microfilm image from the volume is available online. This area south of Huddersfield was a perfect example of the progress of the Industrial Revolution in spinning and weaving trades through 2 or 3 generations. I am slowly copying all the Hinchliffe baptisms (and burials) included. I don't see many user's comments for sources, but this time I decided to make one. Perhaps you might consider putting it forward for a month's "Featured Page". Thanks again, Pat...--Goldenoldie 10:06, 24 August 2022 (UTC)
[add comment] [edit] Dorothy_Clarke rename? [26 August 2022]You renamed Person:Dorothy_Clarke_(16) to Person:Dorothy Clark (13). Her 1913 birth registration has surname spelled Clarke not Clark. Same for 1920 Census and 1938 Marriage. See 9HR9-WZM for sources. Does WeRelate allow an 'undo' of this rename; or is a new rename now required?--fbax.ca 03:35, 26 August 2022 (UTC)
[add comment] [edit] Quebec [19 October 2022]Hello Janet ! Please, see Person:Jacques Duguay (1). I spend 3 full days to search his birth ! All sites give the same "bad info".
I have seen the records of the 3 places "Semur" in France. Nothing between 1635 and 1650 ! This surname is total unknown ! We need very serious sources ! Is it possible for you to access to the authentic original records (not transcriptions) ? --> his 2 marriages and death ? - Thanks ! --Markus3 15:35, 17 October 2022 (UTC)
[add comment] [edit] Please, don't delete ... [9 December 2022]Hello ! Please, this family (from Roubaix, France and Huy, Belgium) is dead Family:Edouard De Lannoy and Françoise Matthieu (1) --> See https://gw.geneanet.org/bebetitane?n=matthieu&oc=&p=marie+jeanne+louise+euphemie+francoise
[add comment] [edit] Sarah Beardsell (2) [5 January 2023]Hi Janet I see you have caught up with one problem I have had recently while going through the 19th century families of Holme in the West Riding of Yorkshire and the numerous other hamlets, villages and parishes in that vicinity. It is turning out to be a very time-consuming project. The original contributor must have thrown a giant gedcom into the pot called We Relate and never noticed the errors he/she had made while accumulating all the data. The work was based on Ancestry but I don't think he ever inspected the microfilm images. These are a few of the errors I am forever finding:
It is quite a project. I have tried to put some order into it, but most families I start on take two or three days to complete if you count the time it takes to add in another generation forward or back. This is not helped by the quality of the clues that Ancestry provides about an individual and the fact that these clues keep changing in order as one investigates them. I use OneNote to copy the details out of Ancestry and then transfer the notes to WeRelate. Your "copy and paste" facility for Sources is a godsend. Nevertheless I am persevering. The details I find illustrate the changes that were happening during the Industrial Revolution in Yorkshire. Most families were weaving wool on handlooms to start with, but by the time the children of the 1841 census had reached adulthood, they were working on power looms in factories. As teenagers they were doing all the additional tasks like loading bobbins and tying strands of wool together. It is interesting to see how one person's occupations change through his life. On the edge of some of the villages the men were not weaving but "delving" or digging stone, probably for use on the railways or canals and bridges. I was reading through your discussion of the Data Quality Issues Report in Watercooler today and had a look at some of the problems my own family contributions have made. I noticed Richard Gibson and Jean Brown who apparently married when she was only 11. Obviously there is an error, but I don't feel like spending money opening up the Scottish statistics just to see if I made a typo. A birth date of 1730 instead of 1740 would have been much more logical. I did the Keffers many years ago, and quite quickly compared to the work I am now doing. Some day I must get out of Yorkshire and back to Ontario and make the corrections. I'll end by wishing you a Happy New Year and not so much snow that you can't cope with it. Regards Pat (goldenoldie) who at 83 is now much less of a strawberry blond, but definitely an "oldie".--Goldenoldie 22:18, 4 January 2023 (UTC) Happy New Year, Pat! Good to hear from you and that you persevering at fixing errors. I hope I'm still going strong and improving WeRelate pages when I'm 83 - or even 93 like another of my WeRelate friends (who says she's slowed down). I'm picking away at the Data Quality Issues list when I've met my daily goals for my current project. Hopefully by next Christmas I'll be able to hit that list hard and clear up issues more quickly. We've had more snow this year than in recent years (which is good because parts of Saskatchewan have been very dry in the summer) and it has piled high in odd places - like hanging off the edge of our roof - but we can still manage the shoveling. My mother-in-law, who is about your age, still handles part of her shoveling and we go over and finish up as needed. The hoarfrost this week is amazing - I can't recall ever seeing it this thick, especially in the afternoon by which time it has usually blown away. Take care and keep making the site better! Janet Hi Janet, i noticed some of the date errors are because someone put in a Census field: "1815 Iowa" and "1925 Iowa". When i delete the word Iowa then the date is oke. Also another person added the Jewish date next to the Christian date with a forward slash in between. Easy to fix by deleting the forward slash and putting the Jewish date in the Description field on the same line. My point is that perhaps there can be some SQL statements mass-update or some other form of smart cleanup? I tried to search for <Census>1925 Iowa</Census> but that seems not the right approach. Any ideas are much welcome. Thx Ron woepwoep 19:31, 5 January 2023 (UTC)
[add comment] [edit] Please, don't delete ... one more time [14 January 2023]Hello Janet ! Why are you so impatient to remove some of my recents records that I "abandoned" for a few days ? Why no simple warning message from you to make me think of completing them ? I "need" these beginnings of records again. There are, in my opinion, other more catastrophic elements to be eliminated in WeRelate. Thanks ! Marc ---Markus3 13:58, 14 January 2023 (UTC)
[add comment] [edit] Leon Drossart - changes [14 February 2023]Hello, This site is way too complicated for me. It seemed easy at first but I have received messages suggesting I do this or that and I have not figured out that needed to be done. Honestly, I don't even know what changes were made as your email informed me of them. I did notice that the photos were listed as public domain for having been published in the US before 1977. These photos were made in Belgium. They belonged to my grandparents. I have no idea about copyrights. I have since creating this article, found information about my grandfather's career as a cyclist. Thank You for maintaining this site. Regine Brindle--Babette602001 20:16, 13 February 2023 (UTC)
Thank You! It explains a lot. You are right, things were in their infancy and much of the process is likely improved. I created another page for the Spereisens in Fort Wayne that likely is not up to par either. If I can make time I will look. Thank You for making time to explain.
[add comment] [edit] Current status of WR social networking [21 March 2023]Hello - I was just notified of this comment, and I'm not sure how to respond, as I am not aware of any recent interest in continuing the FB/Instagram efforts. If there is still an interest in this, where should we point him? Thanks, --cos1776 14:57, 17 March 2023 (UTC)
[add comment] [edit] Ben Battye alteration [2 April 2023]Thanks for the note. I have no objection to the way the page looks now. I am now tidying up the family of his father, Joseph, who, believe it or not, also disappeared without trace in the latter half of the 1840s--too may death registrations for the name to match with the facts I've got, and no burial record. Amazing how many Battye or Batty families there were in this small part of West Yorkshire. Some did eventually emigrate. There was a Battye in my year at high school in Toronto. Regards, --Goldenoldie 08:40, 1 April 2023 (UTC)
[add comment] [edit] Robert Leeper and Catherine unk (Armstrong) [1 April 2023]Person:Robert_Leeper_%283%29 I've been doing a whole lot of research on your Robert Leeper over at WikiTree, his profile used to be mostly blank there. I'd invite you to pick up any of the information I've discovered, including the images, if you'd like. This information should *greatly* expound upon and expand his profile here. Feel free to reformat the information for your profile here as you see fit. Profile Wikitree Leeper-759
My email address is dougleeper@gmail.com (yes, I am a Leeper...)--Leatherneck 23:52, 1 April 2023 (UTC)--Leatherneck 23:55, 1 April 2023 (UTC) [add comment] [edit] Alfred Howard (6) [2 April 2023]I have merged Alfred Howard Whitehead with Alfred Howard. Explanation is in Note 1 on the page. But somehow Alfred and his brother George have acquired a second father, also named Alfred, who has not had a paged added for him in WR. Would you be kind enough to remove father Alfred. I am quite sure he never existed, but I don't know how to remove him. Thanks, --Goldenoldie 19:21, 2 April 2023 (UTC)
That was quick. Thanks a lot.--Goldenoldie 21:03, 2 April 2023 (UTC) [add comment] [edit] Bug [29 May 2023]Hello, Janet ! How to explain this "504 Gateway Time-out" error message since yesterday morning for the display of Véronique's record (daughter of Person:Jean Fouquesolle (1)) ? Yesterday for an hour, the whole site was inaccessible to me with the same bug (on my PC and on my smartphone). Then only "Véronique Fouquesolle" continued to create a problem. I cleared the memory cache... Nothing ! I guess the only solution is to remove the link with the father. Thanks ! --Markus3 13:05, 23 May 2023 (UTC)
This is likely related to the enhancements implemented yesterday, and I will have to find and fix the bug. In the meantime, I have changed the data so that page Person:Véronique Fouquesolle (1) can be opened. In the database, Véronique was tied to 2 sets of parents: Jean Fouquesolle and Unknown (1) and Jean Fouquesolle and Unknown (2) but the former page didn't exist. I'm not sure exactly how this happened, as the page history doesn't tell me. At any rate, I created the missing Family page, which allowed me to open page Person:Véronique Fouquesolle (1). Then I merged the new page with the existing one and made some other changes to force the pages to link together correctly. It is now all OK. The issue with Véronique's page pointing to 2 sets of parents (one non-existent) is likely related to another issue Dallan and I became aware of a few months back and is still outstanding. It is on my list of things to investigate, but probably not for a while. In the meantime, I'll try to get the bug in the new enhancement fixed so at least you can open pages. Sorry about that.--DataAnalyst 15:33, 23 May 2023 (UTC)
The code fix is waiting for Dallan to implement it. This might not be for a few days.--DataAnalyst 02:32, 26 May 2023 (UTC)
[add comment] [edit] Living people [2 June 2023]Hi, Janet--- Just got your email about the possibly living people I have on my watch list -- and I see there were a couple similar comments in the past two years which I'm afraid I didn't see. My apologies for that. I've mostly been away from WeRelate and posting new stuff at WikiTree since 2019, for a variety of reasons. I will note, though, that I have never made a page for any living person at WeRelate. (Or at WikiTree, for that matter, even though they allow it.) It's a matter of personal policy with me, even before WR existed and I posted info to my own website. I don't do living people on public websites, period. I know you have no way of telling that from a page with no dates at all, but I think it's probably obvious that someone like Vira Sapp, whose parents were born in the 1850s and all of whose siblings were born in the 1880s & '90s, is no longer living -- even though I didn't have a speicific set of dates for her. Anyway, a lot of the names on those two long lists aren't even my personal family -- I have a number of other long-term research projects -- but even of those who are, many are pretty far off the lines I'm actively working on these days. Those persons for whom I didn't have full data were posted so they would have some existence in the online world, so other people connected to them might find them here via Google and at least discover that they existed. Having said that, I'll take a look at the lists and see what I can come up with from my several existing databases. But I don't believe I'm going to be able to undertake new research on all of them at this point. Getting old (just turned 78), for one thing, dealing with macular degeneration, and now living with my son, so it's getting hard to do any of this stuff anymore.--MikeTalk 13:23, 2 June 2023 (UTC)
[add comment] [edit] Person pages [11 June 2023]Hi, Janet ! Time to update ? ... [6] - Thanks ! --Markus3 12:23, 11 June 2023 (UTC)
[add comment] [edit] Indexing issue [23 July 2023]Hello Janet, I am not able to bring up this individual in a person search Earl James Alexander --Susan Irish 17:53, 17 June 2023 (UTC)
Hi, Susan. This looks like a very specific indexing issue and has us puzzled. Dallan will take a closer look at it next week.--DataAnalyst 12:13, 20 June 2023 (UTC)
[add comment] [edit] Johanna de Ruiter and Johannis de Lorm [18 June 2023]I see you updated some dates on Johanna de Ruiter and Johannis de Lorm. Are you a descendant of theirs? Johanna was sister of my grandmother Jansje de Ruiter. This is a very old tree I have and my Family Tree Maker is right up to date. Hans Thur dawbercat@shaw.ca North Vancouver, Canada--JT Thur 18:57, 18 June 2023 (UTC)
It's too bad that "WieWasWie" was added to WeRelate as a source; since it is actually a repository. The source for marriage of this couple should be "Source:Heesbeen Eethen en Genderen, Noord-Brabant, Netherlands. Burgerlijke Stand" with record name "BS Huwelijk". The WieWasWie page has a link to BHIC which is another repository. --fbax.ca 19:49, 18 June 2023 (UTC)
[add comment] [edit] Person:Henry Battye (1) [30 July 2023]Thanks, Janet. I'm glad you agree that the previous entry was not checked properly. Regards, --Goldenoldie 08:54, 30 July 2023 (UTC) [add comment] [edit] Llanhilleth - Monmouthshire Wales [31 August 2023]Hello Thankyou for your recent work on [7] What brought you to these people ? My mothers mother was named after Gwladys Evans, I think becuase she died young. I live very close to where they all lived, and helped with the grave yard survey now at [8] My sister still owns St Illtyd cottage, where the Evans and Edwards lived let me know if you think I can help with any local knowledge. Hywel Clatworhty hywel@illtyd.co.uk--Hywelilltyd 13:04, 31 August 2023 (UTC)
[add comment] [edit] Number of persons [1 September 2023]Hello, Janet ! I think it's time to write "3.080.000" --> https://www.werelate.org/w/index.php?title=Main_Page&action=history
[add comment] [edit] Unable to edit certain pages [8 September 2023]re Person talk:Samuel Wilson (63). I understand that the automated bot wants me to "correct" these "errors". However there is no obvious way to satisfy the bot. It doesn't understand what I did and I have no inclination to waste more of my time trying to appease the bot. Believe it or not, there are actually facts and events that have multiple dates associated with them, not just one. Regardless, I submit that disabling any other edits to a page until the bot is satisfied is an extreme and arguably harmful remedy. There needs to some way to override these warnings rather than treating them as fatal errors. --Jhamstra 17:39, 8 September 2023 (UTC)
The date edit is consistent with date formats described in the GEDCOM standard. Valid date formats are described in Help:Conventions/Date. In this case, you could choose to use "From 1850 to 1860", which means he was a carpenter in 1850 and in 1860 and all the time in between (which is a common inference from the given data, though not guaranteed to be correct). If you are unwilling to infer that he was a carpenter for the entire time, you could use "Bet 1850 and 1860", which means he was a carpenter at some point during that time, which is not as strong a statement as saying he was a carpenter in both 1850 and 1860, but at least would sort appropriately. I'll also note that before I made the date edit stricter some years ago, you couldn't save a page without resolving ambiguous dates such as 01/02/1900. That is, preventing a page from being saved until a problem is fixed has been around for a long time on WeRelate. Enforcing date formats makes it possible to exchange WeRelate data with other users now and in the future, and also allows edits that help to catch bad data such as conflation of multiple individuals on a single page, people in the wrong generation, etc. If the dates can't be interpreted, these checks don't work. Having said all that, I realize that the "backlog" of about 25,000 dates that fail the edit is a pain to deal with. I and a few others are slowly tackling the backlog, and have already resolved about 7,000 in less than a year. I've been working on other priorities, but someday I should be able to spend more time on this.--DataAnalyst 19:05, 8 September 2023 (UTC)
[add comment] [edit] How to say this? [1 October 2023]hi Janet, from time to time you assist me in correcting inevitable mistakes that i make when entering estimated birthdates. i would like to thank you for being alert. not only do i feel in warm company when you do this, it also encourages me to keep on doing what i do - entering one by one each and every person who lived in an area within 20 kms / 13 miles / from where i was born. thank you Janet. warmest regards, Ron woepwoep 03:33, 1 October 2023 (UTC) [add comment] [edit] Next step: Review your GEDCOM [19 October 2023]You're not done yet! Now that you have uploaded WeRelate test data - living people2.ged into our review program, it is time for you to match your data to ours. Your next step is to review and resolve any potential warnings that your file might be showing and to match place names, source names and families to pages that may already exist in our database. Notes:
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[add comment] [edit] Sources for the new birthdates of my ancestors "Beuss" [5. Nov 2023]Hi Janet, WeRelate notified me that you added birthday dates to my relatives.
Each time you added "Est 1875". My question:
Regards, [add comment] [edit] Person page without info ... saved too quickly [20 November 2023]Hello ! Person:Catherine Danten (1) --> done - --Markus3 16:05, 20 November 2023 (UTC)
[add comment] [edit] John Noah Burchfield [23 November 2023]Name John Noah Burchfield Gender Male Birth[1][2] 17 Jun 1872 Blount, Tennessee, United States Death[1][2] 4 Jan 1918 Townsend, Blount, Tennessee, United States Burial[1][2] 5 Jan 1918 Cades Cove, Blount, Tennessee, United States This John Noah Burchfield is the grandson of John Noah Burchfield (Charlotte Gillespie & Sarah Gilbert Baines), son of Elizabeth Burchfield & Henry Kerley. Elizabeth Burchfield is the daughter of Nathan & Abarilla Burchfield.--Jacie9 17:16, 23 November 2023 (UTC) [add comment] [edit] Number of persons [28 November 2023]Hello, Janet ! I think it's time to write "3.090.000" --> https://www.werelate.org/w/index.php?title=Main_Page&action=history Merci ! Thanks ! - --Markus3 13:31, 28 November 2023 (UTC) [add comment] [edit] Jessie B Budd->Jessie B Presley must be an error [4 December 2023]I was notified that Jessie B Budd b 6 Jan 1895 was redirected to Jessie B Presley. I cannot see any resemblance between these people's relationships, birth or death info. Why did you do this? Please reverse this change. https://www.werelate.org/w/index.php?title=Person:James_Budd_%2812%29&diff=0&oldid=22786920--Stoney7path 18:10, 3 December 2023 (UTC)
Please forgive. I think I see where you are coming from. I'm doing more research. Also, I think I found where the Asel Budd confusion is coming from. Please hold on the deletion request until I've uploaded a GEDCOM and matched it to what is already there. I'm having trouble with the GEDCOM I've uploaded not matching James Monroe Budd with what is there. In that same GEDCOM is Alcahal Budd, who, I believe, is Asel. I just need to get the system to match those two properly and then I can fix this.--Stoney7path 21:42, 3 December 2023 (UTC) Hi. Yes - please go ahead and finish your upload. I can't say for sure why you are having trouble matching records in the upload, but I will point out that the upload only looks for matches on couples (Family pages). That means you have to include the parents of James Monroe Budd (Elias Budd and Anna Cassady) in your GEDCOM. They should show up as a match to the existing Elias Budd and Anna Cassady page, and when you look at the match, their children should also be matched. If your new Acahal Budd record is coming in as the son of James Monroe Budd (as per what Find A Grave says), that page won't automatically match the existing Asel Budd page because it won't be in the same family. You can upload a new page for Acahal and then fix the data later. If you need help with merges, please let me know. I won't delete the page for Elmer Budd (possible half-brother of James Monroe Budd) until you have finished your updates. I was struggling with that page because I couldn't find any Elmer Budd that might be the son of Elias. Please let me know when you are done, or if you need help. BTW: As a volunteer admin, I have access to take a look at your upload, so if you are still struggling with it, let me know where you need help. Thanks--DataAnalyst 23:02, 3 December 2023 (UTC) You can delete Elmer and Asel if you want. When my GEDCOM is approved everything will merge in correctly.--Stoney7path 16:06, 4 December 2023 (UTC) Because I had no source for the Claude infant son, and because I do have a reasonable source in a published cemetery reading for A. L. infant child of Elias and M A I consolidated these into the infant record and cited the nearest record I saw that matched. I think there may have been a 1982 and then a 1990 publication of the cemetery readings. I don't have the latter. This leaves Asel as the remaining issue. I saw on FindAGrave that James Monroe Budd's son Alcahal Oliver's wife referred to him as Ashel. So I'm going with that as the nickname and want you to approve my recent gedcom upload so I can get on with merging and editing those into this tree. I'll do that when I see it approved.--Stoney7path 16:06, 4 December 2023 (UTC)
[add comment] [edit] Sources: need help in making possible additions to our list [5 December 2023]Hi Janet I decided to spend a little time tidying up my own family's entries on WR and found that the sources I was copying out of Ancestry are not on the WR list. Ancestry have been expanding their sources and I have been discovering facts I never found before in over 40 years of doing family history. I have tried to add these sources myself but have been having difficulties. So that I can get rid of "red-line" sources, would you please add
They both have different FHL film numbers from the ones I used in earlier discoveries of the same people. I haven't come across an equivalent one for deaths yet, but it may be there, or it may still be being transcribed and indexed. The thing about these sources is that they come complete with images of the pages from the original records. I was able to copy the exact wording of my 4x great-grandparents marriage record made in 1760! The marriage records were on printed forms, but the baptisms were written out in full by the vicar. Given the age of the paper, these images are very easy to read. One of the problems is the change in wording of "North Riding of Yorkshire, England" to "North Yorkshire, England" which happened in 1974. The Record Office in Scarborough and Ancestry are using North Yorkshire, but I have always used the WR 1900 standard. Another set of records that Ancestry has come up with recently is United Kingdom Merchant Navy Deaths at Sea. This led to my discovering a report of the death of one of my maternal line great-grandfathers, a fact I had had to give as hearsay up until now. Hope you are keeping well. My eighty-plus years are catching up with my body, but not my mind. Regards, Pat --Goldenoldie 14:37, 5 December 2023 (UTC)
Thanks for your help. I hated to see the red-line sources that were there yesterday. At the end of revising place entries I usually go to "What links here" and alter place names in all the entries (sources, places, persons and families) and revise all the indented ones. This puts all people together alphabetically and also points out where sources and places don't quite fit. Regards, Pat [add comment] [edit] Inexplicable tidying [11 December 2023]Thanks for fixing this page from my edit - at the time I had not noticed the browser's auto-complete was suggesting fills for other elements on the page. Once I realised I went back to clean up what I could find but have missed some. --Paula 05:02, 11 December 2023 (UTC)
I have also found Microsoft "thinking for me" and it is not at all appreciated. I have managed to clear some of it by going into "settings" and unticking some boxes. This was in Excel; but maybe the same will work for Edge. --Goldenoldie 14:56, 11 December 2023 (UTC) [add comment] [edit] Source pages for UK censuses [11 December 2023]Hi Janet I have been tidying up the citations for the UK censuses. They used to run-on so that one couldn't always pick out the year of the census, particularly if there were several in a list. By using <br> I have moved the address to a new line, but brackets were added by the software that no longer need to be there. Can you get rid of them? So far today I have altered 1841-1881. The other three I will get to shortly. Regards, Pat--Goldenoldie 14:51, 11 December 2023 (UTC)
[add comment] [edit] Thanks for the fixes [20 December 2023]Hi Janet I couldn't get enough info from Ancestry to finish this pairing off--like where did they go by 1871?--so I left it and proceeded with the rest of the family. The Seniors have been very hard to find in the index. I have had to go to the individual enumeration district images two or three times to spot the couple I was looking for at the time. I began to feel that the gremlins had got into Ancestry's index, so I stopped and began to think about our tiny Christmas (just my son and myself and pre-prepared food). Best wishes to you and yours Pat--Goldenoldie 11:30, 20 December 2023 (UTC) [add comment] [edit] Years of birth [1 January 2024]Hi DataAnalyst, you've changed several of my years of birth from the "18xx/yy" format to the "Abt 18yy" format. I must confess that I don't consider this an improvement. Let's take Mary Charlotte Darby as an example. She died on 11 Nov 1905 at the age of 69, which means that she must have been born between 12 Nov 1835 and 11 Nov 1836. That's why I wrote "1835/36". Your format "Abt 1836", however, leaves room for 1837 as well, perhaps even 1838 and 1834. That's much less precise in my opinion. --schneid9 14:41, 1 January 2024 (UTC)
[add comment] [edit] How plausible is this Brockett 'origin'? [8 January 2024]https://www.werelate.org/wiki/Person:Mary_Blackwell_%2831%29 Going back through some things and I see a couple of years ago you added an 'English origin' for the Brockett family of New Haven. The URL is dead so I cannot see the quality of the research, but I have never heard of it and it looks questionable right off the bat, claiming a connection to the Visitations. It seems to confirm to the claimed origin in 'The Descendants of John Brockett' which has another huge red flag - the 'disinherited Puritan son' myth that so many of these false origins have to explain away all the inconsistencies. This statement in particular - "From another source came the statement that Sir John Brockett not only disinherited his eldest son, but had his name removed from all the family records, so that it should never appear in any published lists of the family, or the connection with himself ever be traced" my isn't that convenient, and as others have pointed out, nay well impossible to do in English law at the time. --GenealogyGuy78 16:46, 7 January 2024 (UTC)
[add comment] [edit] Help please [17 January 2024]pls help me with this one thx Ron woepwoep 04:57, 12 January 2024 (UTC)
[add comment] [edit] Death place of Ann Denton (6) death sorted out [16 January 2024]Ann Denton was in every census between 1841 and 1911 and spent most of her life in the same place. I have now listed all the census entries and her baptism and death, and done the same for her husband. I'll get to her siblings and children tomorrow. Unusual to find all the info. Her father appears to have had four wives! /cheers --Goldenoldie 22:50, 16 January 2024 (UTC) [add comment] [edit] Express gratitude [18 January 2024]hi Janet, this here message to you is for expressing my gratitude to you for following my work and suggesting improvements. warmest regards, Ron woepwoep 02:20, 18 January 2024 (UTC) [add comment] [edit] Joe Battye (7) [30 January 2024]Yes, I agree. I saw the later references, but since there was no reference to a divorce from Betty (as if!) I decided not to consider them. Would have been much easier if he had just died before she married William Mitchell. I still haven't figured out what happened to William and Betty. They are not in the 1891 census. They may have emigrated. I have switched over to Jonathan Kaye's 8 or 9 brothers. The eldest, George, was easy, but there's a death for Bill before the 1841 census (when he is present). The later entries for his possible death (as William) are too numerous to investigate, even if one sticks to Huddersfield registrations. BTW, I discovered tonight that there are two websites for UK civil registrations: FreeBMD (which I've used for years fairly happily) and UKBMD which is produced by GENUKI. UKBMD takes far too long to get to a search form and only provided 4 entries for William's death between 1841 and 1861 while FreeBMD found over 40! Regards --Goldenoldie 23:12, 29 January 2024 (UTC)
[add comment] [edit] Sorting out watched pages [14 February 2024]Hi Janet Thanks so much for doing the work on this that you've done. Obviously there is no way to do the tidying up except by inspecting the "no tree" list one by one which is what I am now doing, slow but sure. Would you send me your instructions so that perhaps I find some clues in them that I could adopt? This is just one of the "side projects" I am working on at the moment, but it is one that can progress in 15-minutes splurges. When I find a person who needs to be shifted, I check the rest of the family listed on the side panel. At 84 I find myself as the only person in my very small living family who can run a household. This means a lot of interruptions to genealogy time. Fortunately, I think my own family tree is now as up-to-date as it ever will be. Finding my great-grandfather's death last summer allowed me to fill in an important empty space that I had been wanting to fill for for 40 years. Unfortunately, I have very few relatives left who would be interested in that discovery. Thanks again for putting your mind to this. cheers, Pat --Goldenoldie 11:30, 14 February 2024 (UTC)
Hi Janet One hundred names at a time should quite suffice. I got the three Ann Beardsells and their families sorted out this morning so the list is even shorter now. /cheers, Pat --Goldenoldie 14:51, 14 February 2024 (UTC) I have printed off the first 100 and will be going through them right away. Because I shall check other members of each family as I go, please don't send me another hundred until I let you know. The optomist in me says you might not have to send me another wad. We are obviously within that time of day that makes immediate answers possible! /cheers, Pat --Goldenoldie 15:40, 14 February 2024 (UTC)
[add comment] [edit] Renaming ... [17 March 2024]Hello, Janet ! Thanks for your response ! https://www.werelate.org/wiki/User_talk:Dallan#Renaming_..._.5B16_March_2024.5D Mais cette règle bloquant les communes et départements à la date de 1965 est illogique, peu pratique et très dissuasive pour les contributeurs français. Je le pense depuis le début et en ai eu la confirmation par quelques discussions avec d'éventuels futurs participants qui refusent cette contrainte obsolète depuis plusieurs décennies. C'est une des raisons qui les a détournés de WeRelate. Par ailleurs : "The year 1965 is chosen because it is the year used by the Family History Library Catalog." Le choix de se référer à Family History Library Catalog est discutable car contenant des erreurs que j'ai plusieurs fois rencontrées depuis la dizaine d'années que je travaille sur WR. Je comprendrais s'il s'agissait d'un délai de 5 ans environ, mais là depuis 1969 et 1990 ... Il est plus sérieux de se référer aux textes administratifs gouvernementaux officiels. Nous ne sommes que 2 contributeurs francophones fidèles : User:CTfrog et moi. Je demande donc de changer cette règle pour la France. Merci ! (Google Translate) : Moreover : "The year 1965 is chosen because it is the year used by the Family History Library Catalog." The choice to refer to Family History Library Catalog is questionable because it contains errors that I have encountered several times over the ten years I have been working on WR. I would understand if it was a period of around 5 years, but there since 1969 and 1990... It is more serious to refer to official government administrative texts. We are only 2 loyal French-speaking contributors: User:CTfrog and me. I therefore ask to change this rule for France. THANKS ! - --Markus3 16:08, 16 March 2024 (UTC)
[add comment] [edit] Ancestry "sharing" pages [31 March 2024]Hello. Hope you are well. I am noticing a new type of "sharing" page from Ancestry.com that allows anyone to view a record image without creating an account there. I don't know how long this type of page has existed at Ancestry, but it is new to me, and I thought I would share it, in case you were not aware either. I'll give the full URLs this example of a marriage record we both recently accessed to illustrate the syntax differences in the links to the same record.
I've experimented a little with both while being signed in and out of Ancestry, and it looks like, if you are signed into a paid account, you are still able to click thru the sharing page to access the database, if you wanted to further examine the record or source itself. What do you think about using a sharing page link vs. a limited access (paid membership required) link in our WR citations? Do you think WR should encourage their use when citing sources from Ancestry.com? --cos1776 14:39, 21 March 2024 (UTC)
[add comment] [edit] Burhouse family [22 May 2024]Hi Janet Please let me know why you have made these changes to the Burhouse family. I have been setting up families this way for several months, always listing all the family members who are "at home" in each census. Are you suggesting I remove all my work from WR? Regards --Goldenoldie 22:31, 21 May 2024 (UTC)
Hi Janet Your apology gratefully accepted. I am breathing a sigh of relief that I can continue working on "Holme Valley Families". The in-depth working on the Burhouses started when I found that Maude, a daughter of another family I was following, had married a Burhouse, and was also the granddaughter or great-granddaughter of another one. Of course, curiosity made me want to find out if there was any relationship further back. As I explained in my Help messages, I discovered one Burhouse man who married an Elizabeth and one who married an Eliza. The earlier researcher had assumed they were one and the same person. Unhooking that mistake was where I had to say Help, but eventually I sorted out the problem for myself. (The Burhouse family is full of Georges, and that confused the situation further.) I still haven't found an ancestral link (or lack of one) between Maude and her husband, but I hated to leave the mystery half-solved. I haven't had much time for genealogy in the past couple of weeks. The present day has got in the way. At 84 my brain is still working as it should, but arthritis obliges that I walk s-l-o-w-l-y with two sticks ("canes" in North American usage), and day-to-day tasks take a lot longer than they used to. All the best Pat --Goldenoldie 11:29, 22 May 2024 (UTC) [add comment] [edit] Aaron Howard & his family [17 June 2024]Hi Janet I think I have discovered why there have been all sorts of errors with this family. Person:Aaron Howard (3) and Person:Aaron Howard (9) were both born in Glossop, Derbyshire in 1806! Aaron #3, born 15 Dec 1806, was the son of another Aaron Howard & Martha Wild (couple not in WR). He married Elizabeth Bowers (1807-1846) and named one of his sons Aaron (#8 in WR). There is yet another Aaron Howard born in Holme, Yorkshire about the same time. Aaron #9 (born 10 May 1806), whose family you are correcting, was the illegitimate son of Betty Howard of Dukinfield (village in Glossop parish). His first wife, Sarah Deardon, is not as yet in WR but, provided I can find her in Ancestry, will be there this afternoon. I had no idea the name Aaron was so popular, particularly among the Howards of Holme Valley. Plodding on, --Goldenoldie 10:20, 17 June 2024 (UTC) [add comment] [edit] https://www.werelate.org/wiki/Person:Guy_Westcott_(1) [20 October 2024]Delete nothing. You offer no evidence the information is a fabrication. Fabrication implies intentional falsehood. Likewise, you offer no evidence that it is untrue, only that there is no "record" offered to support it. That would be true about a large portion of the information on this website. You are applying 21st Century data analysis standards to 16th century records. Historical research does not work like that. Applying your methods would require most every entry on this website concerning matters before 1700 or 1800 at the earliest to be deleted. Stukley Westcott is my ancestor, not yours. I have no idea who is parents are. However, it is helpful to have the information that others have supplied in that regard to consider and explore. Hopefully someone with research skills will be able to get to the correct answer someday. Those of us who built this website over the years did so to share our historical research and information for future generations, not in order for you to come in and wreak havoc, deleting anything you did not like. Present your evidence, if you have any, and let others judge. Note the lack of supporting record or any other problem or objection on the page and let the reader make their own determination.--Tbrady 19:20, 20 October 2024 (UTC) [add comment] [edit] https://www.werelate.org/wiki/Person:Mary_Stukely_(1) [24 October 2024]Delete nothing. The fact that the "dates dont work" is no basis for deleting an entire record including all the connections of the person to their ancestors and descendents. You are applying 21st Century data analysis standards to 16th century records. Historical research does not work like that. Furthermore, the dates "do work" with Mary Stukely's father, so it would seem the problem is with the late birth date reported for Margaret Arscott. You should remember that old birth records are equally prone to error as is information found in old books, so it is best to note the information as given and then present conflicting information in the alternative, an approach which the website easily accomodates. The appropriate action in this case would be to note any problems on her page and await futher research to fix the problem, if you have nothing to contribute yourself. Noting what "Bullocks book on Stukely Westcott" says regarding the source of the information is helpful and should be included of course.--Tbrady 19:24, 20 October 2024 (UTC)
Thanks for your response. My only strong reaction was to the idea of deleting pages for which there appeared to be some support (here in the form of a book on the general subject) and orphaning the supposed children of the persons deleted. I agree with you completely on the importance of following the evidence and going with the best available evidence. Since you have a reliable christening record for Margaret Arscott, it is obvious that the "dates do not work" for her to be the mother of Mary Stucley. Nor do the dates work for Lewis Stukely, either. Thus, the connection between them and Mary Stucley needs to be deleted. However, this does not resolve the question of the parents of Stukely Westcott or that of the identity of Guy Westcott and Mary Stukely are. And, having disposed of Lewis Stukely and Margaret Arscote as the parents of Mary Stukely, their dates are no longer relevant to resolving the other two questions. The original werelate.org entry for Guy Westcott and Mary Stucley listed as its source "Bullock's book on Stukely Westcott". I do not currently have access to that book. There are numerous copies available on archive.org, but their website has been down several weeks due to a cyberattack.
But if I understand your message, you have already reviewed JR Bullock's book (1886) and determined that it actually contains nothing regarding Stukely Westcott's parents. You indicate that it is actually Roscoe L. Whitman's book (1932) that identified them, and that the origin of the information was "a submission from a correspondent" of Whitman's, who provided it "without giving reference or authority". You also note that Whitman "doesn't seem to give it any credence". I have located a copy of Whitman's book (1932) but only had time to look at the early section, discussing the lack of information regarding the identity of the parents. However, I have not yet found the references to Guy Westcott and Mary Stucley. If you have the page number(s) for these please pass them on, as the index is useless and the search function turns up no one relevant. My preference would be to leave the pages for Guy Westcott and Mary Stucley, with the appropriate references from Whitman added, including page numbers and quotations of his actual words, assuming those can be located. On the other hand, having read Whitman's comments on page 8 of the book, regarding his various predecessors who have attempted to resolve the riddle, the prospects do not look particularly optimistic. My primary concern would be disconnecting the supposed brothers of Stukely Wescott. However, the only support for these are dead URLs and non-sources like "from the internet". While this certainly meets neither your nor my standards for sources, I have serious doubts these people are fabrications and tend to assume that most of these unsupported entries have some basis in fact. Unfortunately the original contributor did not bother to help us to prove otherwise.--Tbrady 21:05, 23 October 2024 (UTC)
Sorry for the confusion. "Unknown Westcott and Unknown" is a good solution to the problem. Re: "It's not a good idea to have that much commentary copied on multiple pages" True. As an alternative, you might just add a link to the family page where you placed the references: https://www.werelate.org/wiki/Family: Christopher Stukely and Mary Ford (1)--Tbrady 22:19, 24 October 2024 (UTC) Actually, I see that you have already included the link at Note 4, as you said. Sorry.--Tbrady 22:23, 24 October 2024 (UTC) [add comment] [edit] GEDCOM Export Ready [25 October 2024]The GEDCOM for tree test GEDCOM export is ready to download. Click here. [add comment] [edit] Thanks for the tidy-ups (4 Nov 2024) [5 November 2024]Hi Janet I think I got through the rest of George's children without problems. Sorting out NANCY BEAUMONT-EARNSHAW-SCHOFIELD-HIRST was quite a trial. Maybe she was good at food poisoning. We'll never know. Now I am going back to sort out George's siblings and maybe his aunts and uncles. /cheers Pat--Goldenoldie 21:30, 4 November 2024 (UTC)
[add comment] [edit] Thomas Clark and Elizabeth Unknown 3 vs. 5 [5 November 2024]I am not very active on WeRelate, only an accident that I saw this message and was able to respond this timely. Better to send email to me if you need quick input. I believe Savage was very confused about the Clarks of Boston. I think Roland Henry Baker III added most of the corrections to the original Savage-based input based on the newer research. I no longer recall specifics, but I think the will documented on Person:Thomas Clarke (95) is key. --Jrich 22:00, 5 November 2024 (UTC)
[add comment] [edit] Upcoming revisions [6 November 2024]Hi Janet I am pleased to see that the Person and Family pages are going to be reordered alphabetically. From time to time I have downloaded parts of the list into Excel in order to insure I have worked on all members of the families I am working on. I hope the star ratings will be dropped from the index. I cannot figure out how to remove them all at once, and removing them one by one is a real pain. regards, Pat--Goldenoldie 23:37, 5 November 2024 (UTC) [add comment] [edit] John Hirst and Hannah (1) and (2) [14 November 2024]Hi Janet I've taken the liberty to separate these couples a bit more by naming Person:John Hirst (16)'s father Person:John Hirst (25) and giving him a possible date of birth of 1780. As you've probably noticed the name John Hirst continues from father to son at least four times in this family. The boys also have the habit of marrying girls from either the Barber family or one of their distant (I hope) Hirst cousins. Today I got down to Person:Tom Hirst (2) and had to give up. Tom disappears between 1891 and 1901, but there is no burial or civil registration and in 1901 his wife is a widow in Liverpool. His wife, born Sarah Emma Hirst, is not found before her marriage where she stated her father was Arthur. Starting with Person:John Hirst (16) and his brothers, the family are made up of "woollen manufacturers" and for two generations were very successful. They start to fall on harder times around 1900. A tv program last evening made me wonder if the Hirst Mill at Saltaire near Leeds was owned by part of the family. It is still a huge place. We have to have a big electricity rewiring job done tomorrow and there won't be much computer time until it is over. I hope my head will be clearer to tackle the Hirsts on Saturday. Regards Pat --Goldenoldie 20:56, 14 November 2024 (UTC) [add comment] [edit] Sarah Hinchliffe (9) [5 January 2025]Hi Janet Happy New Year! Thanks for the corrections to Aaron Howard's family received today. You will probably have noticed I gave up on this family. The Howards are the most prevalent family in DSRodgers' contributions and this part of it moved around too much to be sure what facts really applied to them. Now I am working on the family of Amos and Jane Hinchliffe and have just finished the outline of their first daughter,Sarah Hinchliffe. Sarah married John Bottomley in 1846 and that's where problems began. The marriage record states: "31 Dec 1846. John Bottomley of full age, bachelor, school master, of Bright Hill in Cartworth, son of James Bottomley, clothier, Married Sarah Ann Hinchliffe, of full age, spinster, of Brown Hill in Cartworth, daughter of Amos Hinchliffe, clothier." The 1851 census listed 5 children, ages 21 down to 7. I found John Bottomley's first wife, Jane Sykes, whom he married in 1816, and thought that solved the problem, until I started checking the children's baptisms.... With the exception of the oldest child, all the baptisms gave the parents as John and Sarah Bottomley. I then found Jane Sykes' death which was 6 months before the marriage listed above. Eventually I found the 1841 census. John and Sarah headed the household even then. I have added details noting these facts on the marriage page for John and Sarah, but since I knew that WR's automated error line would come up for each of the children, I linked them to John and Jane, but it would appear that John and Sarah were living together since 1831. I am used to coping with illegitimate children where the father is unknown, but not cases like this. How should I express this situation? I am now progressing on tracing Sarah's younger siblings. So far everything is calm and uneventful. Regards, Pat --Goldenoldie 16:24, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
The template you mentioned in your first paragraph is one I didn't know about. It will solve a lot of things about John and Sarah's family. There is a Benjamin in the original John and Sarah's Bottomley family and I don't think there is any other source mentioning a younger John H. in censuses or deaths (besides, they already had a John). This was why I rejected that possibility. I did find a civil death registration for Jane Bottomley in the July-Sep quarter of 1846. John and Sarah married 31 Dec of the same year. Admittedly, civil registrations do not contain that much info, but burials can be just as sparse -- if one finds them. The most frustrating thing is the marriage record for John Bottomley and Sarah Hinchliffe, and this was the only marriage for a Sarah Hinchcliffe that I found. John stated that he was a bachelor, a schoolmaster, and his father's name was James. If I could find a schoolmaster John Bottomley somewhere in the censuses for 1851 and 1861, this mess would be sorted out. Otherwise, I'll accept that he was a bigamist. If you want to try and sort out the Bottomleys, go ahead. But I know you have a lot on your plate and this problem isn't of any more importance than any other. Many thanks, Pat --Goldenoldie 12:32, 3 January 2025 (UTC) I'm pretty sure I have it sorted out correctly. There were 2 different John and Sarah Bottomley families, as well as the John and Jane (Sykes) Bottomley family that got mixed in due to Ann's baptism record. There were 2 Ann's - one born to John and Jane (Sykes) Bottomley in Slaithwaite and the other to John and Sarah (Kay) Bottomley in Holme. The baptism record for the latter Ann doesn't seem to be available online, so the former one was picked up in error, making it look like the John Bottomley who married Sarah Kay was previously married to a Jane. But that wasn't true. The 3 families are:
In the end, it was largely the place names that helped to sort out the families - the census records that are now tied to John Bottomley and Sarah Hinchliffe show Sarah's birth place as Austonley and Benjamin's birth place as Cartworth, both of which match their baptism records. Also note that Jane (Sykes) Bottomley didn't die in 1846 - that was a 16-year-old girl (I found the burial record at Ancestry.com). Oh, and John Bottomley the schoolmaster in his marriage record became John Bottomley the hand loom weaver in the 1851 census, and a farmer and weaver by 1861. I'll bet it would have been easier to support a family as a weaver than as a teacher. Take care!--DataAnalyst 02:14, 6 January 2025 (UTC) [add comment] [edit] Number of person pages [14 January 2025]Hi, Janet ! Time to update ? --> [9] - Thanks ! --Markus3 13:51, 13 January 2025 (UTC)
[add comment] [edit] Mareau-aux-Bois [12 February 2025]Hi ! I don't understand why I have a problem with Person:Léon Piccard (1). His birth place is "Mareau-aux-Bois". But this place cannot be displayed correctly. --> "Mareau-Aux-Bois" - I have created this place page, but it is impossible for me to delete it. Thank you ! - --Markus3 15:32, 25 January 2025 (UTC)
[add comment] [edit] Fixed the Oungst family - thanks [27 January 2025]I'm glad that the changes you made were only to the listed children rather than the info I'd added; i.e. glad that I added "correct" info. --ceyockey 04:39, 27 January 2025 (UTC) referring to your post at https://www.werelate.org/wiki/User_talk:Ceyockey#Fixed_the_Oungst_family_.5B22_January_2025.5D and the family at https://www.werelate.org/wiki/Family:William_Oungst_and_Mary_Mills_%281%29 . --ceyockey 04:40, 27 January 2025 (UTC) [add comment] [edit] Re an edit you did [17 February 2025]Hi you edited a page I started and it's got me scratching my head. https://www.werelate.org/w/index.php?title=Person:Gustav_Praetzel_%281%29&direction=next&oldid=27842412 Gustav Praetzel was my grandfather who I never met - I was always told he was captured by the Russians in the final days of WW2 and nobody in the family (his wife, two of the three sons and their kids) ever heard of Gustav again. Yet - your edit put his death in 1966 in Berlin - after I was born and well after the war. Mind you I've been having some fun reconciling what my father said about the family moving things in Berlin (east to a new place in the west) and being unable to get back because The Wall went up overnight. When I compared the Wikipedia date for the wall to his Canadian Immigration - he came here months before the wall went up. Funny how you come up with lots of questions after someone dies. Thanks for all your work!--TwistedGerm 02:11, 12 February 2025 (UTC)
Neat! Thanks for the clarification and updates. I'll have to spend some time looking into the docs as I'm barely able to do anything in WeRelate and have not run across the public tree / patent. Yes - he had 3 sons by the first marriage and three by the second and I was named after Erich. He's traveled to South America for quite a while and setup a successful business there (I have a beer stein of his from Argentina) and when business turned down he moved back to Germany and revived the family business - making wood equipment like skis and boats. The names I have came out of a document from the family search after the Wall came down and the family factory in the former East Berlin was sold and the proceeds divided by law. I have those names - with birth dates, but no clue who is still alive although a bunch of the birth dates are pre 1930.--TwistedGerm 10:01, 12 February 2025 (UTC) Ha - I found it with the Google Patent search - and it was "boat strap" - which makes sense given the family business being making wooden skis, [olympic] racing boats and whatnot and the patent was 1938 - so it was my grandfather and his two bothers :) https://patents.google.com/patent/DE674435C/en?inventor=Praetzel&oq=Praetzel I talked to my mother - and, of course, she remembers my grandmother having her husband declared dead so many decades after his capture by the Russians.--TwistedGerm 16:52, 17 February 2025 (UTC)
[add comment] [edit] Search server down [23 February 2025]Hi ! Janet !
I restarted the search server after waiting a long time to get in.--DataAnalyst 21:57, 18 February 2025 (UTC)
Dallan has set up a new search server, which seems to be working so far. He still doesn't know what caused the original problem and will keep investigating in case it happens with the new search server. Thanks for your patience. This was a problem that came out of nowhere and is very difficult to investigate.--DataAnalyst 12:55, 20 February 2025 (UTC)
[add comment] [edit] Starting to See Occasional Gateway Timeouts Again [23 February 2025]It hasn't gotten bad yet. If I stop the attempted preview/save and try again, I am able to get through, but it appears that someone's poking around again.--Bill Carr aka jaques1724 02:26, 24 February 2025 (UTC) [add comment] [edit] New contributor and gedcom [6 March 2025]Hi ! User:Mamielise61 (french speaking) needs help to begin with a gedcom import. The review (verification) seems to be too difficult. I think she is not the only person who had such a problem. I want to help but I cannot open the file to explain what (data, date, place) is not correct ! Thanks ! - --Markus3 13:57, 3 March 2025 (UTC)
I can access the file now. There are 154 people in the file, and 114 messages. Some of these are just to say that a date was converted to a valid format (e.g., a baptism date of "16 Avril 1773-1862" became "Bet 16 Apr 1773 and 1862") - these messages should be reviewed to ensure that the correct meaning was retained. However, many of the messages indicate a date that cannot be interpreted (such as 02/11/1978 or 1865 Dec 20), or more serious problems, such as a baptism date before the birth date, or a burial date before the death date, or a marriage date after the death date. In some cases, it looks like data from 2 or more individuals have been combined on a single page (e.g., baptism 18 May 1904 and 13 Sep 1905 on the same Person page). The system will not allow this GEDCOM to be uploaded. The contributor must address the errors in her desktop software and then submit a new GEDCOM (after removing this one). If she doesn't understand the GEDCOM instructions, you can tell her to click on the second icon on the left-hand side (the triangle with the exclamation mark in the middle). That is where she will find all the messages. She should click on each message, which will show the page the message applies to. If she still needs more help finding the messages, let me know. I just added the icons for each tab to the GEDCOM help, so that might make it easier. I also added a direct link to our date conventions, which shows accepted date formats, including language support and accepted month abbreviations. I hope this helps.--DataAnalyst 14:25, 5 March 2025 (UTC)
[add comment] [edit] Problems with WR [7 March 2025]"search server returned bad response: 504 for function: placestandardize" "504 Gateway Time-out" Can sometimes save edits, but it takes a long time. Getting above error message(s) on some save attempts. --jaques1724 07:38, 7 March 2025 (UTC)
"search server returned bad response: 504 for function: placestandardize " "504 Gateway Time-out" --jaques1724 15:09, 7 March 2025 (UTC)
Thanks. Can't ask for more.--jaques1724 15:52, 7 March 2025 (UTC) [add comment] [edit] Nice work on the conventions Help page [26 March 2025]Janet, I noticed you working on the Help:Conventions page, and now have taken it out of "Draft" status. It looks great. Nice job on fleshing this out! --robert.shaw 18:43, 26 March 2025 (UTC)
[add comment] [edit] Thomas Michaud [30 March 2025]Comment ça dans la mauvaise famille? Pas du tout, ce sont les bonnes personnes. ??????? Comprend pas--Mamielise61 18:50, 30 March 2025 (UTC)
[add comment] [edit] Request Delete - failed [15 April 2025]I tried to "Request Delete" these two pages:
but instead MySource:Solveig/ and MySource:RJ Stiles/ were created. Please delete these?--fbax.ca 02:09, 16 April 2025 (UTC)
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