User talk:RGMoffat

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Next step: Review your GEDCOM [28 April 2011]

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Next step: Review your GEDCOM [28 April 2011]

You're not done yet!

WeRelate is different from most family tree websites. By contributing to WeRelate you are helping to create Pando for genealogy, a free, unified family tree that combines the best information from all contributors.

Now that you have uploaded FRED SUMMACH DESCENDANTS.GED, your next step is to review what your pages will look like, review any potential warnings, and combine (merge) people in your GEDCOM with matching people already on WeRelate. You need to review your GEDCOM before it can finish importing. We will keep your GEDCOM in the queue for two weeks to give you time to review it.

Note: if your gedcom contains many errors or multiple families, we’d ask that you resolve and correct the errors, delete this gedcom and re-submit it without the errors before merging it with families already on WeRelate. If the gedcom is very large, we’d suggest breaking it up into separate files (or families) and importing them one at a time, which makes the review and correction process easier.

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--WeRelate agent 01:44, 29 April 2011 (EDT)

Support and help pages [29 April 2011]

Hello Rick, I moved your recent question to the Help talk:Review GEDCOM page. In the future, if you have a question about gedcom uploads, you can leave them on that Help page, rather than creating a new article. If you have general questions, you can leave them on WeRelate talk:Support. One additional tip, you can sign your messages by clicking on the 2nd button from the right that is above the text box of every edit screen. Thank you, --Jennifer (JBS66) 14:13, 29 April 2011 (EDT)


FRED SUMMACH DESCENDANTS.GED Imported Successfully [1 May 2011]

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--WeRelate agent 12:51, 1 May 2011 (EDT)

Next step: Review your GEDCOM [13 May 2011]

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WeRelate is different from most family tree websites. By contributing to WeRelate you are helping to create Pando for genealogy, a free, unified family tree that combines the best information from all contributors.

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Note: if your gedcom contains many errors or multiple families, we’d ask that you resolve and correct the errors, delete this gedcom and re-submit it without the errors before merging it with families already on WeRelate. If the gedcom is very large, we’d suggest breaking it up into separate files (or families) and importing them one at a time, which makes the review and correction process easier.

Click here to review your GEDCOM

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--WeRelate agent 10:15, 13 May 2011 (EDT)

Next step: Review your GEDCOM [13 May 2011]

You're not done yet!

WeRelate is different from most family tree websites. By contributing to WeRelate you are helping to create Pando for genealogy, a free, unified family tree that combines the best information from all contributors.

Now that you have uploaded NOACK DESCENDANTS.GED, your next step is to review what your pages will look like, review any potential warnings, and combine (merge) people in your GEDCOM with matching people already on WeRelate. You need to review your GEDCOM before it can finish importing. We will keep your GEDCOM in the queue for two weeks to give you time to review it.

Note: if your gedcom contains many errors or multiple families, we’d ask that you resolve and correct the errors, delete this gedcom and re-submit it without the errors before merging it with families already on WeRelate. If the gedcom is very large, we’d suggest breaking it up into separate files (or families) and importing them one at a time, which makes the review and correction process easier.

Click here to review your GEDCOM

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--WeRelate agent 23:06, 13 May 2011 (EDT)

NOACK DESCENDANTS.GED Imported Successfully [15 May 2011]

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For questions or problems, leave a message for Dallan or send an email to dallan@WeRelate.org.

--WeRelate agent 08:41, 15 May 2011 (EDT)

Radcliffe & Raglan, Renfrew, Ontario, Canada [11 June 2011]

Hi! I'm a volunteer administrator here on WeRelate. Does "Radcliffe & Raglan, Renfrew, Ontario, Canada" refer to one place named "Radcliffe and Raglan" or are there two separate place (one named Radcliffe and one named Raglan)? If they are two separate places, they should each have their own Place page. Thanks! -- Amy (Ajcrow) 23:08, 16 May 2011 (EDT)


In some sources, such as Ontario Birth Registrations, the registrar kept records for more than one township. In some of the related birth records, you cannot tell in which township the birth occurred. In these cases, I have used the combined names, as they are shown on the birth registration ledger.

Thanks for asking. I am still learning how to work with this Wiki, but it is worth the effort.--RGMoffat 08:13, 17 May 2011 (EDT)

WeRelate place pages are for one geographic location. If the census combines the separate municipalities of Radcliffe and Raglan, then that information would need to be placed in the description field instead. We can't create place pages for various combined census designated areas. --Jennifer (JBS66) 09:08, 11 June 2011 (EDT)

Next step: Review your GEDCOM [3 June 2011]

You're not done yet!

WeRelate is different from most family tree websites. By contributing to WeRelate you are helping to create Pando for genealogy, a free, unified family tree that combines the best information from all contributors.

Now that you have uploaded MISC INDIVIDUALS.GED, your next step is to review what your pages will look like, review any potential warnings, and combine (merge) people in your GEDCOM with matching people already on WeRelate. You need to review your GEDCOM before it can finish importing. We will keep your GEDCOM in the queue for two weeks to give you time to review it.

Note: if your gedcom contains many errors or multiple families, we’d ask that you resolve and correct the errors, delete this gedcom and re-submit it without the errors before merging it with families already on WeRelate. If the gedcom is very large, we’d suggest breaking it up into separate files (or families) and importing them one at a time, which makes the review and correction process easier.

Click here to review your GEDCOM

Once you have finished your review and marked your GEDCOM Ready to import, one of our administrators will review your GEDCOM and finalize the import. This usually happens within 24 hours. You will receive a message here when the pages have been created.

--WeRelate agent 11:51, 3 June 2011 (EDT)

MISC INDIVIDUALS.GED Imported Successfully [3 June 2011]

The pages from your GEDCOM have been generated successfully. You may now:

For questions or problems, leave a message for Dallan or send an email to dallan@WeRelate.org.

--WeRelate agent 00:13, 4 June 2011 (EDT)

Next step: Review your GEDCOM [9 June 2011]

You're not done yet!

WeRelate is different from most family tree websites. By contributing to WeRelate you are helping to create Pando for genealogy, a free, unified family tree that combines the best information from all contributors.

Now that you have uploaded CARL ZUMMACH DESCENDANTS.GED, your next step is to review what your pages will look like, review any potential warnings, and combine (merge) people in your GEDCOM with matching people already on WeRelate. You need to review your GEDCOM before it can finish importing. We will keep your GEDCOM in the queue for two weeks to give you time to review it.

Note: if your gedcom contains many errors or multiple families, we’d ask that you resolve and correct the errors, delete this gedcom and re-submit it without the errors before merging it with families already on WeRelate. If the gedcom is very large, we’d suggest breaking it up into separate files (or families) and importing them one at a time, which makes the review and correction process easier.

Click here to review your GEDCOM

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--WeRelate agent 09:45, 9 June 2011 (EDT)

Source titles [11 June 2011]

Hello, I am an admin here at WeRelate. I've noticed that you have created a few sources for Canadian censuses. We have titling conventions for the Census of Canada that appear here. Similar to the U.S. census source pages, we ask that the Census of Canada be added at the county level and that pages follow a standard convention. For example, Source:Grey, Ontario, Canada. Grey South, Grey, Ontario, Canada YEAR 1911 Census of Canada would need to be renamed to Source:Grey, Ontario, Canada. 1911 Census of Canada.

Please review the sources that you have added to date by viewing your contributions and rename them to follow our naming conventions. Let me know if you have any questions. Thank you, --Jennifer (JBS66) 09:03, 11 June 2011 (EDT)


Thanks for the clarification. I will rework my sources ASAP.

Rick--RGMoffat 12:15, 11 June 2011 (EDT)

Hi Rick, here is a sample census for Canada that is correctly titled along with the template and category added: Source:Grey, Ontario, Canada. 1911 Census of Canada. You can use this page as a guide to go by. When you rename them, be sure not to include the place twice in the title, so Source:Renfrew, Ontario, Canada. 1871 Census of Canada instead of Source:Renfrew, Ontario, Canada. Renfrew, Ontario, Canada 1871 Census of Canada. When you add the census to your person/family pages if you need detail beyond the county, you can add that in the event's description field. Thanks, --Jennifer (JBS66) 12:30, 11 June 2011 (EDT)

I realized my error and I think we were stepping on each others toes for a few minutes. I have started from the bottom of my list of sources. I have renamed one source to "Renfrew, Ontario, Canada 1901 Census of Canada".

However, I have other sources at the township level which will now resolve to this same source. I am going to all of the linked pages for them, and changing the source to the one above. Once all links are modified, there is nothing pointing to the page. However, I cannot delete it. For example, "Pembroke, Renfrew, Ontario, Canada. Renfrew North, Pembroke, Renfrew, Ontario, Canada YEAR 1901 Census of Canada" can be deleted so that no one else starts to use it.

How should I advice y'all (I live in Texas) about the sources to be deleted?

Rick--RGMoffat 13:09, 11 June 2011 (EDT)

I think we were getting in each other's way too :-) Thank you so much for your patience, and I'm sorry an admin didn't notice the titles before you got so far along in your sourcing. You can put a speedy delete template on the page by adding {{Speedy Delete|Place your explanation here}} to the text box on the page. That will put it into a category for admin attention.
I see you are renaming your newspapers too - take a look at the conventions for Newspapers first. Having the place name there is ok, like Source:Manitoba Free Press (Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada). --Jennifer (JBS66) 13:20, 11 June 2011 (EDT)
Small note about Speedy Delete - if you were looking at the code for that from the edit screen, you need to not include the < nowiki > tags around it. Those are so the template displays properly when looking at this talk page. I found the pages you've put into speedy delete so far and I'm working on deleting them. btw, this gave me an opportunity to see your pages - very well sourced I must say, nice! --Jennifer (JBS66) 16:41, 11 June 2011 (EDT)

The census titles are coming along. There is one small piece missing, however. There needs to be a period and a space between the word Canada and the year: for example: Source:Grey, Ontario, Canada. 1911 Census of Canada. I have renamed most that I saw were missing the period. If you need to see what pages link to a particular source page, you can click on What Links Here from the menu at the left. --Jennifer (JBS66) 17:27, 11 June 2011 (EDT)


Deleted source [14 June 2011]

Just letting you know that I deleted the source you created (Source:Burant, Ray. H8403.EXE) because gedcoms downloaded from websites, if they must be used as sources (which is itself discouraged), should be MySources, not Source pages, as they are not the type of generally accessible, definable source for which a Source page is useful. For the same reason, we do not create Source pages for individual's webpages or WorldConnect/Ancestry trees. If you need to cite this information, please use a MySource page.--Amelia 14:38, 13 June 2011 (EDT)


Is there more information on this in Help topics. I want to understand and follow guidelines, but it is a real barrier to using this wiki (for me - at this time)

In this particular case, this researcher has spent years extracting genealogical data from Renfrew County newspapers, etc. And making the data available in several versions of web pages. This is just one of them, but since I cannot be sure they are identical, I prefer to be precise when referencing a source.

Let me add that I know such sites are unreliable or questionable, but they are a guideline for future research. I beleive these are valuable to other researchers because they may point them to a new line of research.

Thanks for "listening"

Rick--RGMoffat 09:51, 14 June 2011 (EDT)

Hi Rick,
The help here is always a work in progress, and in this particular case, the guidelines themselves have changed over time. We don't have pages for websites in part because they are typically of little interest beyond a small group, in part because they are themselves not the most reliable, in part because the sites themselves have the ability to disappear, and in part because it's simply not scalable to have Source pages for all genealogy websites out there. All those reasons combined lead to us deleting all of the "personal" websites out of the source database and setting a policy that if people want to have pages for them, then they can be MySources. However, your question made me look at the help, and that policy does not appear to have been documented, so confusion is completely understandable. We'll have to work on that.
In the particular case of the .exe source I deleted, there was no information on the source page enabling anyone else to find that file, so that was an additional reason to delete it. I also looked at the other Burant source that I deleted, and sources were cited in a very low proportion of the information, so it did not seem to live up to its promise to have mostly extracted data.
It's also important to note that websites can and should still be cited (either in a general manner, by citing, say, WorldConnect and putting the specific URL in the detail field, or by just putting the webpage in the source field without selecting "Source" or "MySource"). Not everything benefits from having a source page.
If you have other specific questions, let me know.--Amelia 18:04, 14 June 2011 (EDT)



Two book sources merged by Admin [14 June 2011]

Can you help me understand why two different volumes of a local history were merged into one source? The sources were volumes one and two of "Hazlet and its heritage". I think it would be lot easier for a person to locate the source book if they knew which volume to look for.--RGMoffat 09:41, 14 June 2011 (EDT)

All volumes of the same work get just one source page because the title is the same and the reasons to have a source page (citation information, repository information, usage tips and discussion) are all common to the set. When you cite the source, you put the volume in the volume/page field.--Amelia 18:04, 14 June 2011 (EDT)



CARL ZUMMACH DESCENDANTS.GED Imported Successfully [14 June 2011]

The pages from your GEDCOM have been generated successfully. You may now:

For questions or problems, leave a message for Dallan or send an email to dallan@WeRelate.org.

--WeRelate agent 15:29, 14 June 2011 (EDT)

Next step: Review your GEDCOM [20 June 2011]

You're not done yet!

WeRelate is different from most family tree websites. By contributing to WeRelate you are helping to create Pando for genealogy, a free, unified family tree that combines the best information from all contributors.

Now that you have uploaded MISC INDIVIDUALS.GED, your next step is to review what your pages will look like, review any potential warnings, and combine (merge) people in your GEDCOM with matching people already on WeRelate. You need to review your GEDCOM before it can finish importing. We will keep your GEDCOM in the queue for two weeks to give you time to review it.

Note: if your gedcom contains many errors or multiple families, we’d ask that you resolve and correct the errors, delete this gedcom and re-submit it without the errors before merging it with families already on WeRelate. If the gedcom is very large, we’d suggest breaking it up into separate files (or families) and importing them one at a time, which makes the review and correction process easier.

Click here to review your GEDCOM

Once you have finished your review and marked your GEDCOM Ready to import, one of our administrators will review your GEDCOM and finalize the import. This usually happens within 24 hours. You will receive a message here when the pages have been created.

--WeRelate agent 11:50, 20 June 2011 (EDT)

Error linking to Johann Zummach [20 June 2011]

When I try to go to his page I get the following error: Requested Range Not Satisfiable

He is the infant son of August Zummach and Marie Noack.

If something I did caused this error, please let me know so that I can avoid the issue in the future.

Thanks Rick--RGMoffat 12:11, 20 June 2011 (EDT)

Rick, I can view Person:Johann Zummach (1) both on Chrome & Firefox. You can try opening a new browser window or refreshing the page cache by refreshing the page while pressing the CTRL key. For support related questions, it is preferable to post at WeRelate talk:Support, as more users are watching that page. Let me know if the above suggestions don't fix the problem. --Jennifer (JBS66) 14:27, 20 June 2011 (EDT)

CRTL and refresh worked. Once again you have come through for me. Thanks.--RGMoffat 15:29, 20 June 2011 (EDT)


Gedcom issue [21 June 2011]

Hello, I am reviewing your current gedcom. The file contains only one person and has no links to any other person. Do you intend to extend this into a tree? Did you know that you can create pages from scratch? It is not necessary to create a gedcom for just a few people. I'm importing it now. Please give Caroline some relatives. --Judy (jlanoux) 16:28, 21 June 2011 (EDT) (WeRelate volunteer)


MISC INDIVIDUALS.GED Imported Successfully [21 June 2011]

The pages from your GEDCOM have been generated successfully. You may now:

For questions or problems, leave a message for Dallan or send an email to dallan@WeRelate.org.

--WeRelate agent 16:29, 21 June 2011 (EDT)

Next step: Review your GEDCOM [23 June 2011]

You're not done yet!

WeRelate is different from most family tree websites. By contributing to WeRelate you are helping to create Pando for genealogy, a free, unified family tree that combines the best information from all contributors.

Now that you have uploaded MORE INDIVIDUALS.GED, your next step is to review what your pages will look like, review any potential warnings, and combine (merge) people in your GEDCOM with matching people already on WeRelate. You need to review your GEDCOM before it can finish importing. We will keep your GEDCOM in the queue for two weeks to give you time to review it.

Note: if your gedcom contains many errors or multiple families, we’d ask that you resolve and correct the errors, delete this gedcom and re-submit it without the errors before merging it with families already on WeRelate. If the gedcom is very large, we’d suggest breaking it up into separate files (or families) and importing them one at a time, which makes the review and correction process easier.

Click here to review your GEDCOM

Once you have finished your review and marked your GEDCOM Ready to import, one of our administrators will review your GEDCOM and finalize the import. This usually happens within 24 hours. You will receive a message here when the pages have been created.

--WeRelate agent 16:29, 23 June 2011 (EDT)

MORE INDIVIDUALS.GED Imported Successfully [24 June 2011]

The pages from your GEDCOM have been generated successfully. You may now:

For questions or problems, leave a message for Dallan or send an email to dallan@WeRelate.org.

--WeRelate agent 18:02, 24 June 2011 (EDT)

Next step: Review your GEDCOM [2 July 2011]

You're not done yet!

WeRelate is different from most family tree websites. By contributing to WeRelate you are helping to create Pando for genealogy, a free, unified family tree that combines the best information from all contributors.

Now that you have uploaded GIENOW AND BORK.GED, your next step is to review what your pages will look like, review any potential warnings, and combine (merge) people in your GEDCOM with matching people already on WeRelate. You need to review your GEDCOM before it can finish importing. We will keep your GEDCOM in the queue for two weeks to give you time to review it.

Note: if your gedcom contains many errors or multiple families, we’d ask that you resolve and correct the errors, delete this gedcom and re-submit it without the errors before merging it with families already on WeRelate. If the gedcom is very large, we’d suggest breaking it up into separate files (or families) and importing them one at a time, which makes the review and correction process easier.

Click here to review your GEDCOM

Once you have finished your review and marked your GEDCOM Ready to import, one of our administrators will review your GEDCOM and finalize the import. This usually happens within 24 hours. You will receive a message here when the pages have been created.

--WeRelate agent 10:34, 2 July 2011 (EDT)

Import greyed out [3 July 2011]

Hi, I have found out that you can't edit pages in review when the warnings indicate too many errors to import. I am going to override and import the file for you. Please then edit these problem families and make the needed corrections. Thanks --Judy (jlanoux) 17:37, 3 July 2011 (EDT) (weRelate volunteer)


GIENOW AND BORK.GED Imported Successfully [3 July 2011]

The pages from your GEDCOM have been generated successfully. You may now:

For questions or problems, leave a message for Dallan or send an email to dallan@WeRelate.org.

--WeRelate agent 17:43, 3 July 2011 (EDT)

Next step: Review your GEDCOM [9 July 2011]

You're not done yet!

WeRelate is different from most family tree websites. By contributing to WeRelate you are helping to create Pando for genealogy, a free, unified family tree that combines the best information from all contributors.

Now that you have uploaded SPOUSES AND MISSING.GED, your next step is to review what your pages will look like, review any potential warnings, and combine (merge) people in your GEDCOM with matching people already on WeRelate. You need to review your GEDCOM before it can finish importing. We will keep your GEDCOM in the queue for two weeks to give you time to review it.

Note: if your gedcom contains many errors or multiple families, we’d ask that you resolve and correct the errors, delete this gedcom and re-submit it without the errors before merging it with families already on WeRelate. If the gedcom is very large, we’d suggest breaking it up into separate files (or families) and importing them one at a time, which makes the review and correction process easier.

Click here to review your GEDCOM

Once you have finished your review and marked your GEDCOM Ready to import, one of our administrators will review your GEDCOM and finalize the import. This usually happens within 24 hours. You will receive a message here when the pages have been created.

--WeRelate agent 08:36, 9 July 2011 (EDT)

SPOUSES AND MISSING.GED Imported Successfully [9 July 2011]

The pages from your GEDCOM have been generated successfully. You may now:

For questions or problems, leave a message for Dallan or send an email to dallan@WeRelate.org.

--WeRelate agent 18:39, 9 July 2011 (EDT)

Next step: Review your GEDCOM [12 July 2011]

You're not done yet!

WeRelate is different from most family tree websites. By contributing to WeRelate you are helping to create Pando for genealogy, a free, unified family tree that combines the best information from all contributors.

Now that you have uploaded Yourt.GED, your next step is to review what your pages will look like, review any potential warnings, and combine (merge) people in your GEDCOM with matching people already on WeRelate. You need to review your GEDCOM before it can finish importing. We will keep your GEDCOM in the queue for two weeks to give you time to review it.

Note: if your gedcom contains many errors or multiple families, we’d ask that you resolve and correct the errors, delete this gedcom and re-submit it without the errors before merging it with families already on WeRelate. If the gedcom is very large, we’d suggest breaking it up into separate files (or families) and importing them one at a time, which makes the review and correction process easier.

Click here to review your GEDCOM

Once you have finished your review and marked your GEDCOM Ready to import, one of our administrators will review your GEDCOM and finalize the import. This usually happens within 24 hours. You will receive a message here when the pages have been created.

--WeRelate agent 23:52, 12 July 2011 (EDT)

Next step: Review your GEDCOM [14 July 2011]

You're not done yet!

WeRelate is different from most family tree websites. By contributing to WeRelate you are helping to create Pando for genealogy, a free, unified family tree that combines the best information from all contributors.

Now that you have uploaded Yourt.GED, your next step is to review what your pages will look like, review any potential warnings, and combine (merge) people in your GEDCOM with matching people already on WeRelate. You need to review your GEDCOM before it can finish importing. We will keep your GEDCOM in the queue for two weeks to give you time to review it.

Note: if your gedcom contains many errors or multiple families, we’d ask that you resolve and correct the errors, delete this gedcom and re-submit it without the errors before merging it with families already on WeRelate. If the gedcom is very large, we’d suggest breaking it up into separate files (or families) and importing them one at a time, which makes the review and correction process easier.

Click here to review your GEDCOM

Once you have finished your review and marked your GEDCOM Ready to import, one of our administrators will review your GEDCOM and finalize the import. This usually happens within 24 hours. You will receive a message here when the pages have been created.

--WeRelate agent 22:39, 14 July 2011 (EDT)

Gedcom problems [17 July 2011]

Hello. I have checked your latest gedcom and I don't think I can import it. You have been sending in rapid succession a number of very large files. Please understand that WeRelate is different from your private database. In a public, shared tree people need to be identifiable to be useful. In this particular file, you have many people with no personal events or dates and who are not attached to others in a tree. A family such as "John Smith and Mary" with no links to anyone else and no dates or places becomes only clutter in a large, shared database. Please work on your files a little before submitting them. If your personal file does not give you the ability to filter exports, you can try one of the free ones who do. You can also make use of the exclude box in WeRelate to surpress creation of pages which are inappropriate. Thanks. --Judy (jlanoux) 11:28, 17 July 2011 (EDT) (WeRelate volunteers)


The "orphan" people that you mention will be linked to data already uploaded. I am still working on an ideal process but here is what I am doing so far: 1) identify a group of records to upload. I have tried loading them with or without spouses. When I include spouses, my export utility does not filter on the "living" flag so I end up with excluded data. Still not sure which will work best. 2) after uploading, I review each record loaded to remove some sources and modify others. I then flag them on my database as loaded and reviewed. 3) where I have a marriage registration that identifies parents, I upload them as well, but they will not have birth or death dates, etc. I load them because it will help other researchers ensure the family connection is the one they are looking for. 4) during my review, if I find that a spouse was not uploaded, I flag them for the next upload. I then connect them manually. 5) Similarly, some uploaded records are duplicates of people already loaded. I occasionally manually create a family page for parents and then upload the more complete data, including sources, later. I flag them in my database as "duplicates" so that I can manually merge them in the Wiki. In this particular load there are 5 duplicates and 60 spouses and parents. In addition, there is a whole new family line included.

I understand your concerns about loading junk into the database, and fully agree. I am trying to work within your guidelines, and to develop a process that works for both of us.

Do you have any suggestions on how to improve the process?

Rick--RGMoffat 11:47, 17 July 2011 (EDT)

Thanks for elaborating. I understand. Your item #1 seems a big problem. What is your software? Why are people flagged as living when they are not? Our import with flag as living people less than 110 yrs who have no death events. It also looks at relatives for clues when a person has no dates.
It does take a while getting everyone uploaded. I still have a lot to do.

I will upload your file now. --Judy (jlanoux) 12:36, 17 July 2011 (EDT)


Thanks for understanding and uploading the file.

I use The Master Genealogist. It is a very powerful tool, and the problem may be user related. I will continue to experiment with the export function.

Rick--RGMoffat 12:42, 17 July 2011 (EDT)

Did you find this Help page for setting up your export? Forgetting to include spouses as a last step is common in creating the Focus group. Leave a message if you need help with that. --Judy (jlanoux) 15:53, 17 July 2011 (EDT)

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We Relate Featured Page - week of August 1, 2011 [2 August 2011]

Hello, I just wanted to let you know that your Person Page Mary Noack, has been selected as WeRelate's Featured Page for the week of August 1, 2011! This page was well-sourced, interesting and contained much useful information on her family. FYI - I slightly brightened up her photo, to make it a little more visible. Thanks much and keep up the good work!

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Jim
Co-Administrator on WeRelate--Delijim 16:35, 1 August 2011 (EDT)

I am honoured that you noticed my work and found it worth featuring.

I would like to thank all the volunteers that have helped me along the learning curve. It is a long and tedious process to load and review thousands of pages, but in the long run, I think it will be worth the effort.

Thanks to all, or as I have learned to say in Texas - "Thanks to y'all y'all."

Rick--RGMoffat 16:13, 2 August 2011 (EDT)


Doris I Poland [28 September 2011]

I have better picture of grave marker for above. It definitley shows 1990 as death date.

I'll pass along copy if you send me your email address.

The old address I have for you(rmoffat&mail.airmail.net)

Don Boland <bolandll@hotmail.com>--Don Boland 16:03, 11 September 2011 (EDT)


It has been a while since we last communicated. I now use gmail as rgmoffat.--RGMoffat 09:58, 12 September 2011 (EDT)


Sorry, but I don't know how to get picture to you using gmail. Also I note there was an error in my original email address it should be <bolandll@hotmail.com>


Cannot create place correctly [12 September 2011]

I would like to rename the following cemetery page to reflect the current township name of "Brudenell, Lyndoch and Raglan", however when I try to create a place for the new township name, the system parses it as "Brudenell" located in "Lyndoch and Raglan.": Place:Rosenthal Wesleyan Cemetery, Rosenthal, Brudenell (township), Renfrew, Ontario, Canada

I have tried several different ways to create the palce without success. Can you help create the place for the amalgamated township so that it can be used in the Cemetery name?

Thanks--RGMoffat 14:34, 12 September 2011 (EDT)

The place pages in WR are titled as they were historically. It appears that Brudenell, Lyndoch and Raglan was established recently, in 2000. If the cemetery spans multiple townships, it can be renamed to exclude the township - such as Rosenthal Wesleyan Cemetery, Renfrew, Ontario, Canada. --Jennifer (JBS66) 14:57, 12 September 2011 (EDT)

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The database did not find the text of a page that it should have found [26 November 2011]

Today I tried to create sources for the 1920 and 1930 U S Census for Union, New Jersey, United States. After I had linked them to source records in the Gedcom I was preparing, I realized they were both titled something like "Union, New Sweden Colony..." I renamed both of these pages to reflect New Jersey, but have received email messages from JBS66 that neither of the pages could be found.

This message is to give you the background on this issue. I have submitted the Gedcom, and will deal with these sources when I encounter them during the review of the loaded records.--RGMoffat 17:12, 25 November 2011 (EST)

Hi Rick, I saw that you renamed the two census pages, but they were missing the words United States. I renamed them both after you did, which is why you received the automated messages. The pages are now: Source:Union, New Jersey, United States. 1920 U.S. Census Population Schedule and Source:Union, New Jersey, United States. 1930 U.S. Census Population Schedule. --Jennifer (JBS66) 18:56, 25 November 2011 (EST)

My bad. Thanks for cleaning this up, as well as some other duplicates. I'll get the hang of this yet.--RGMoffat 22:46, 25 November 2011 (EST)


Your recent gedcom [26 November 2011]

Hi,

In reviewing your recent gedcom, I notice that you have a lot of marriages where only the husband or wife is listed, not both. Is this correct, or was there a problem importing your gedcom? If it's correct, that's fine, and I'll go ahead and import it. But I didn't want to import it if there was a problem somewhere and we didn't match the husbands and wives correctly.--Dallan 22:14, 25 November 2011 (EST)


Thanks for asking. I will have to do manual fixes, where required. I review all records once they are loaded.--RGMoffat 22:53, 25 November 2011 (EST)

I went ahead and imported it. You'll be notified as soon as it's ready.--Dallan 00:16, 26 November 2011 (EST)

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Olive Grove Cemetery [17 December 2011]

I was going to add more information to the Olive Grove Cemetery page, but I could not find any information about it. There was no listing for it on the DeKalb County IL GenWeb, nor was there a listing on FindAGrave. It appears it should be Place:Ohio Grove Cemetery, Cortland, DeKalb, Illinois, United States. The DeKalb County GenWeb site has an index of people buried there, including Robert and Mary A. Renwick: [1]. In addition, Robert and Mary's daughter Mary is buried in Ohio Grove. If you agree, would you change Mary's page to Ohio Grove and delete the Ohio Grove page? Thanks. -- Amy (Ajcrow) 08:29, 4 December 2011 (EST)


I flagged the "Olive Grove Cemetery" page for a speedy delete. Thanks for catching this.--RGMoffat 18:48, 14 December 2011 (EST)

Thanks for taking care of that. -- Amy (Ajcrow) 07:30, 17 December 2011 (EST)

How do I add Line Breaks in Text box on Sources? [3 January 2012]

See Source:Canada GebWeb Cemetery Project - Fifty Cemetery

In the text, I added 4 URL's for the index pages for this website. They display as a single concatenated line which is difficult to read.--RGMoffat 19:33, 3 January 2012 (EST)

Add <br> where you want a line break. I went ahead and did that on the page for you. -- Amy (Ajcrow) 19:37, 3 January 2012 (EST)

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Place - Why was it redirected [18 April 2012]

Admin Goldenoldie recently redirected place Hamilton, Canada West, United Province of Canada to Hamilton, Northumberland, Ontario, Canada.

For events prior to July 1, 1867, this is inappropriate. I'm just wondering what the rationale was.

Thanks Rick

PS - Goldenoldie has been making lots of changes that I appreciate. As I have learned to say in Texas, "Y'all Y'all" work hard to make this site better.--RGMoffat 00:27, 18 April 2012 (EDT)

Hi Rick, there was a conversation on the support page here that explains Goldenoldie's changes. --Jennifer (JBS66) 06:43, 18 April 2012 (EDT)

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Adding a Template for Canadian Gravemarker Gallery [18 May 2012]

Using the Albert Street Cemetery in Arnprior, Renfrew, Ontario, Canada as a test case, I tried to add a link similar to the one for Find A Grave. It would link directly to a Cemetery page in the Canadian Gravemarker Gallery. It is not behaving the way I expected. When I initially set it up, it showed that a template needed to be created so I created one by editing the link. I am over my head so would appreciate some advice.

A couple of days ago I also created a template for the Atlas of Canada. It is not as complicated because it will not have variable links leading to unique home pages. I think it is OK.

What I envisioned is a link on a cemetery place page under Resources that would read "Canadian Gravemarker Gallery, followed by the name of the cemetery, which would link to a specific cemetery home page. For example, the Albert Street Cemetery is found at http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~murrayp/renfrew/mcnab/albert/index.htm

If I can get this working, I will go through the various cemetery places that I have set up and add the resource code.--RGMoffat 22:26, 17 May 2012 (EDT)


What is the standard for Census of England sources? [18 May 2012]

Is there a standard naming convention for census sources for England, Scotland, etc?

I expected to see something similar to the standard for Canada and the US, but a quick search did not show me the expected results.--RGMoffat 22:58, 17 May 2012 (EDT)


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in the Atlas of Canada, a search for Rosebank Ontario gives three hits. The following area in Ontario County appears to be the best option: http://atlas.nrcan.gc.ca/site/english/search/getFAPMapURL?feature_na=Rosebank&entity=UNP&location1=35&unique_key=0c4cdde6849c20c35ff7ad089cec1d23&lat=43.80351&long=-79.12048&origsearchstring=Rosebank%20Ontario

I will update the place page accordingly.

Rick

== Rosebank, marriage place of William Lockhart and Mary Renwick [9 June 2012] ==

Hello

I have no link with your family, but I am trying to sort out some of the geographical problems of the Durham area.

Looking at the map of Durham Region, Rosebank comes up as an "area" just about on the border of Pickering and Scarborough. This seemed peculiar for two people who appeared to be very much of Clarke Township. So I went over to Ancestry and inspected (maybe I should say, peered) at the image of the marriage registration. There, the "residence at marriage" for Mary Renwick is "Rosebank, Clarke". I am wondering if Rosebank was the name of the family farm.

Before I go altering the lat long coordinates for Rosebank I would appreciate your opinion. If you have found Rosebank Farm could you tell me its co-ords and I'll be glad to re-position it.

--goldenoldie 11:49, 9 June 2012 (EDT) (aka Pat)


Hagarty & Jones, Renfrew County [24 July 2012]

Are you sure the census division was Hagarty and Jones? The two townships are not next door to one another. The merger in 2000 included a united Hagarty and Richards (and Richards and Hagarty are neighbours) with Killaloe. Hagarty and Richards would make more sense. --goldenoldie 15:56, 23 July 2012 (EDT)

In the 1881 census Hagarty and Jones was a sub-district of Renfrew South. Go figure, maybe the boundaries were different at that time.


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wp template in a place [20 October 2012]

I tried to use the wp template in Place:Notre Dame Cemetery, Ottawa, Carleton, Ontario, Canada and it did not work correctly. I defaulted back to the wp "other topics" format, but am wondering what the problem was with the following format (i have left out the double braces to avoid triggering the termplate in this topic:)

wp-Notre-Dame Cemetery (Ottawa)

I suspected that the brackets were the problem and tried to enclose them in quotes, but that did not work either.

Thanks Rick--RGMoffat 11:22, 10 October 2012 (EDT)


I think I have figured this out. I should not be creating the wp- template reference. Instead I should be adding the source reference and an automated process will copy in the text from Wikipedia.

I referred to http://www.werelate.org/wiki/Template:Source-wikipedia/doc

and should be using the following format: Place

source: Wikipedia on the page where you want the content to appear.--RGMoffat 10:39, 20 October 2012 (EDT)

hello from distant cousin [5 November 2012]

Thank you for your recent additions to the Crowell family ancestors. Much appreciated!--kath newc 11:16, 5 November 2012 (EST)


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Brisco/Briscoe family tree William Brisco/Briscoe Adamston Renfrew Ontario Canada [24 November 2012]

Is this person part of your family tree?--KB 18:22, 23 November 2012 (EST)


William Briscoe (1815-1899) is the grandfather of the husband of Matilda Augusta Ristau. Her family are relatives of mine.

My wife also has Brisco/Briscoe connections through her grandmother, Jane Watson nee Mayhew.

Rick--RGMoffat 20:29, 23 November 2012 (EST)


Rueben Briscoe/Brisco, William Briscoe/Briscoe Adamston Renfrew Ontario [24 November 2012]

Hello, I am a descendant of this family thru William and Caroline, down to Bryan and Rachel (Burgess) Briscoe/Brisco. Lesley Garner Briscoe is my grandfather, William is his grandfather. Rueben is one of my grandfather's brothers. I came across the gravestone of Caroline Ightman from a picture on Ancestry.ca which has been quoted in other sources as Hatman and Hightman. Found a picture of William as well. If you go to a Latter Day Saints Family Search Center the access to Ancestry.ca/uk is free. Apparently William according to information in my father's family had married twice. I have found some references in my research pointing to that. But I would like to find out who William and James parents were? Would you have any idea where I could find that out? Also was he born in Yorkshire and where was he christened. There are two family trees for James, William's brother who married Sara Taylor with two separate parents, one set says: Tamar Singleton and James Sr. the other tree for James and William leads to: John Brisco and Mary Evans. I met my great uncle Rueben and Aunt Tilly, (Matilda) as we called her when they came out from Saskatoon to visit my grandparents, my mom's family are all from the same area in N. Sask. where Joy Horner Brisco and Albert Horner lived, (Joy) Rueben and Tilly's daughter, nice to know there are people related to this family who are researching them as well as myself, its a needle in a haystack. One lady who researched James Brisco's (William's brother) even lived over in England for some time and did research there, she will get back to me after the American Holiday Thanksgiving with some of her notes, I will let you know from my other notes that are not on the computer what I have found out and also when I talk to a relative that has the bible from my grandfather's generation, (one of the brother's of my grandad's) daughter inlaw has some info in it. I followed the trail on the family search LDS site for James and William who had emmigrated to Renfrew Ontario Canada and as I have said, two separate parents for these two made things confusing. With what info on Ancestry.ca where a supposed newspaper death notice from the Renfrew Mercury newspaper quoted William Brisco/Briscoe in 1899 from Adamston Renfrew Ontario Canada, died and he had been born at Whittington, Westmoreland which would be on the border of Lancashire. Well, that tree with that lead contradicted info for parents of William, James with the other tree searched. Do not know for sure where he was born, but research this relative of Sara Taylor James wife conducted over in England pointed to Cumberland. Will know more when she gets home from the holidays. Keep in touch - K.--KB 21:31, 23 November 2012 (EST)


Changing all of the US Census Source Pages? [26 November 2012]

--Cos1776 11:33, 26 November 2012 (EST)

Yes, i noticed that on the category pages, many of the census source pages did not have a sub-category, so they end up in the alphabetical list under "S".

While I am at it I am also modifying the place so that "United States" is not part of the citation since it is already included as the "Census U.S. ..." Someone else had done this on several of the sources I reviewed, and I think it is a good idea.

And finally, I am putting in Ancestry and FamilySearch repositories.

If anyone else has "standard" suggestions, I will incorporate them into future revisions.

Rick


Changing all of the US Census Source Pages? [26 November 2012]

Hello - Can you tell me why you are removing the "United States" from the citation titles to all of the US census pages by piping in just county & state? Is this a new rule? I thought that the standards for naming censuses were already established. It seems like going in and changing each one like that just adds extra work and introduces the possibility of human error vs. just using the drop down to select the place name. Likewise, why are you piping in the county in the category template? Perhaps I have missed a memo somewhere... Thanks.--Cos1776 11:47, 26 November 2012 (EST)

If I am breaking a standard on the citation, I will go back and fix them, with apologies to the WeRelate community.

The piping on the category places the census sources in the correct alphabetical sequence on the category page.

Rick

Sorry about that, I guess I accidentally sent the topic above before typing the message... I understand what you are trying to accomplish. My biggest concern is in consistency across the board and the changing of the citation at the source page level. If this is an agreed upon change in policy, then it should be applied to every US census record source page from now on and they will all appear that way automatically. If it is just a matter of style and you do not like the way that the citation appears on the pages that you are working on, then you could pipe in the style change on whichever individual page you wish in the source box on that page. That way, it does not automatically change the format for others who are not using that style. But, once again, that seems like a lot of bother when there is already an agreed upon format in place.

Thanks for Cleaning up my Sources! [26 November 2012]

I appreciate you cleaning up my sources. Am I not putting the place in correctly? RC--Rebekah Carlisle 19:23, 26 November 2012 (EST)

The Place is correct. I have been adding the "sort code" to the Category so that on the Source Category page the census source pages are in alphabetical order.

For example, Category:1870 Indiana census would be changed to Dearborn if the page was for Dearborn County. If you click on the 1870 Indiana Census link at the bottom of the page, you will see the results.


Thank you. I thought that the sort was automatically added by what was typed in the place. I will make a note to start adding the place sort on my new sources. RC--Rebekah Carlisle 19:47, 26 November 2012 (EST)

I believe the general rule is that sort keys are not added to census pages. The help page does not show a sort key in the instructions, and the vast majority of the census pages do not have sort keys added. The thinking has been that pages within a category like Category:1930 Texas census sort alphabetically anyway (albeit under the letter S). Since changing all of the census pages would be a monumental task, the recommendation has been to not use a sort key. --Jennifer (JBS66) 19:56, 26 November 2012 (EST)

Thanks for the note Jennifer. You are always a great help.

I had read a similar comment today on the help pages, but most pages I have looked at have a combination of some with and some without sort keys. You are right, it would be a huge job to change all of them. I happened to be hitting a new batch of sources as I reviewed my latest Gedcom upload, so decided to make the category pages I encounter consistent. Would it be better if I take the sort keys out when I see them?

You are welcome. I left a message on the WeRelate talk:Source patrol page for additional clarification. Since other categories (like Cemeteries) do use sort keys, I want to make sure which method we should suggest going forward. --Jennifer (JBS66) 20:29, 26 November 2012 (EST)

B C Vital records Images [5 December 2012]

Thanks for alerting me to the vital records of B C images online. Mildred Burtch Morton was my first cousin once removed.--Jmp 12:42, 5 December 2012 (EST)


Canada East [21 December 2012]

Your comment on talk page yesterday:

By using the category in effect today, all places regardless of historic political differences would be in one place.

Just a thought.

Rick--RGMoffat 12:39, 20 December 2012 (EST)

Might be fine if I could get my head around categories. I have been trying to figure out the concept for months.

The nitty gritty of Canada East is that we have to be able to name the place

  • New France until 1763
  • Quebec, colony of Great Britain, 1763-1791
  • Lower Canada, 1791-1841
  • Canada East, 1841-1867
  • Quebec (preferably with an acute accent), 1867-the present

Don't know whether you saw my request on the Place Patrol the other day. The following is further thoughts that are only coming into my head as I write.

The above list looks simple, until we remember that we have to bring in that difficult word "colony" until 1791, or consider Quebec to be a highest level place and that can only be established by an administrator. If we bring in "colony" then Quebec shows itself as a contained place under modern-day France and Great Britain. I wonder if we could persuade the administrators to establish a policy involving two names for Britain, France and other nations that had overseas colonies--one name to be used for places physically within it (i.e., England) and another for overseas colonies and dependencies (i.e. Great Britain, or maybe British Empire). For France, I suppose we could use "Kingdom of France" and "Republic of France"--'though I bet there is something better hiding out there in French history, something like France exterieur--, but the dates would be just about right. Must look and see what our Netherlands--Indonesia group have done about the problem.

Actually I am holding off introducing a family until I can get the placenames right both in Quebec and Kirkcudbrightshire, Scotland (and, at the moment, until Christmas is over).

Greetings of the season to you
--(Pat) goldenoldie 02:47, 21 December 2012 (EST)


Maitland/Butts Family [25 January 2013]

Would love to discuss the Maitland/Butts Family with you.

Kyle--Keddinger 20:54, 24 January 2013 (EST)


Most of my Maitland research stems from my Moffat/Renwick family research. Do we intersect anywhere in what you have seen here in WR?

Rick--RGMoffat 22:03, 24 January 2013 (EST)


My connection would be through Cora Butts Maitland. I have come across a couple photos of her line.--Keddinger 22:18, 24 January 2013 (EST)


So when you say you would like to discuss, what do you have in mind. Can you add to anything on her page, or her children? I see that I can upload some info on George since he was born in 1902, but what about Lester. Do you know if he is still living?

I have no personal knowledge of the family. Just what I have gleaned during my research.--RGMoffat 22:49, 24 January 2013 (EST)


George (Wilfred) Arthur Wallace [2 April 2013]

Archives of Ontario. Registrations of Births and Stillbirths – 1869-1913. MS 929, reels 1-245. Toronto, Ontario, Canada: Archives of Ontario. Geo Wilfred Arthur Wallace Date of Birth: 24 May 1902 Gender: Male Birth County or District: Grey Father's Name: Russell Wilfred Richd Wallace Mother's name: Mary Jane Walter Archive Name: Archives of Ontario Archive Series: MS929 Archive Reel: 158

I can connect to the Wallace family through his grandmother Coulter. I cant much help on the rest of the line. did Mary Howson and Clifford divorce? I see he has another wife (at least he does on his gravestone) lhess@shaw.ca I cant figure out how to add stuff here. My tree is on Ancestry.--Lilyione 23:34, 1 April 2013 (EDT)


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Support page response to LendE [9 June 2013]

Hi Rick

That was a very good explanation. I enjoyed reading it.

--Goldenoldie 02:45, 9 June 2013 (EDT)


Thanks. I just finished a 4 month contract job and then we moved from Texas to Mesa, Arizona, so I am just getting back up to speed on my genealogy.--RGMoffat 17:33, 9 June 2013 (EDT)


What makes Immanuel Cemetery unique? [5 July 2013]

And there aren't many more in Gravemarkers Gallery or any of the other inscription collecting websites covering Ontario either.

My family has led me to Lanark County next door. The only official who caught up with them was the census enumerator. The earliest work contributed to the family by a local bmd registrar was in 1898 when the leader of the original Scottish family dies at 91. Today I have to inspect one of his grandsons who married in Renfrew, so I'll be looking at the county for ancestry-searching myself.

You might find useful a template I added yesterday -- Data obtained through Ancestry.ca. Facts summarized from the microfilm image provided by Library and Archives Canada.. Just one of those Sticky Notes I keep on my screen to copy and paste where needed.

cheers, Pat --Goldenoldie 02:33, 5 July 2013 (EDT)


What family names are you tracing in Renfrew County? I have done a more detailed index of some cemeteries in the Ontario Gravemarker Gallery. If I come across any that might interest you, I could forward them or better yet, add them to WeRelate and give you an alert.

I think I see what the problem was with Immanuel Baptist Cemetery. It had the township in the place name. I see you have redirected to another place. The problem is, this is a rural cemetery several miles out of Killaloe. I don't think Killaloe should be in the place name. If you agree, I will create a new place "Immanuel Baptist Cemetery, Renfrew, Ontario, Canada" and re-link references. Call me anal, but I prefer to clean up the references rather than redirecting the page. It allows removal of junk from the database.

Rick--RGMoffat 15:10, 5 July 2013 (EDT)


I am tracing a family named Gibson, some of whom, including the two who originally emigrated from Scotland, appear to be buried in the Scotch Line Cemetery in neighbouring Lanark County (which isn't on the Gravemarker Gallery, Canadiana or Canada GenWeb). They arrived in Lanark in 1842 and once "Dad" died in 1898 (aged 91), the family of 10 went in all kinds of directions. I started work in Ancestry with this family about a week ago and still haven't sorted out all of the first Ontario generation. I haven't found anyone in Renfrew County yet, but it is very likely I will.

Killaloe seems to be the official address for Immanuel Baptist. Postal addresses in Ontario have lost their "rural routes" and now tend to have street addresses tied to their "postal town". I agree with WeRelate holding onto the old townships and counties for places where people lived, but cemeteries need to be thought of in the present, so that people can find their way there should they want to. I notice that the new co-ords put Immanuel Baptist very close to one of the other Killaloe cemeteries. Canada Genweb Cemeteries Project is a very large database of cemetery addresses (and also provides some photographs and inscriptions). Pat --Goldenoldie 15:32, 5 July 2013 (EDT)


More on Renfrew, etc [7 July 2013]

I had fears the Immanuel Baptist Cemetery discussion was heading for a difference of opinion between us, but I am quite happy with the extra changes you made. One tiny thing: Would you change the description of German Settlement to "community". I tend to feel that "inhabited place" is a flag for it's-on-the-original-WR-list-and-nobody-has-ever-touched-it category.

And speaking of categories, how do you intend to use Category:Renfrew, Ontario, Canada and the others you have put in? This is curiosity. When I worked on Ontario I didn't touch categories because I didn't understand them. Now, in southern Scotland, I am trying to build them in--for people as well. (But I realize I have forgotten--halfway through my Gibsons in Lanark County--don't know whether those born in Canada should join the category or not.)

The "source" I made for Canada GenWeb Cemeteries Project has a red line in repositories. Do you know how to fix it? The fields to fill in on the new Source page were not designed for adding new websites. --Goldenoldie 03:09, 6 July 2013 (EDT)


I must admit I have no plans for the category. I am just following examples I have seen on other pages. They seem a quick way to focus on a County to see what other resources folks have found in their research. Who knows, maybe one of them will be useful to me.

There is a gotcha though. If you go to the Ontario category page, you will only see three sub-categories, and Renfrew is not one of them. You need to click the "next 200" link a bunch of times before you find Renfrew and Simcoe. Somehow they are alphabetically listed with places. Odd programming behaviour, but I suspect changing it is a low priority for limited programming resources.

I hate "differences of opinion" and am doing my best to follow the rules and conventions of the Wiki. Ignorance is my only excuse when I run afoul of someone.

I had better get outside for a bike ride before the day gets too hot.

Rick--RGMoffat 10:05, 6 July 2013 (EDT)


I neglected to answer your question about the "red" repository issue. On this Wiki, items highlighted in red do not yet have a page created. You can click on the link and then "create" the page by editing it.

I also forgot to confirm that I made the change you requested on the German Settlement page.--RGMoffat 15:46, 7 July 2013 (EDT)


Canadian Source Omission [9 July 2013]

I just went to put in details for someone killed in action in World War 1, Canadian Forces. Believe it or not, I'll have to add the source.

--Goldenoldie 12:15, 8 July 2013 (EDT)

--- The three sources for Canadian armed forces personnel are now listed in WR.

  • Canada. War Graves Registers (Circumstances of Casualty) 1914-1948
  • Canada. CEF Commonwealth War Graves Registers, 1914-1919, and
  • Canada, Soldiers of the First World War, 1914-1918 (which has your name against it but doesn't come up in the first 40 records of the source "index").

Why national sources don't come up first in the listing is a mystery. Also, why Soldiers of the First World War did not show up in the list under Canada. --Goldenoldie 15:14, 8 July 2013 (EDT)


Your amendment to Attestation papers noted. Great! --Goldenoldie 15:37, 8 July 2013 (EDT)


For the Soldiers of the Great War, Canada has a comma after it, not a period. Is it entered in the place field that way, or is there no entry in the place field at all, and Canada is part of the title?--RGMoffat 16:40, 8 July 2013 (EDT)

Oh, that's its problem! The census sources all have periods and I thought that was basic practice. This is probably why it did not show up in the indexing. "Canada," will sort differently than "Canada " or "Canada.". The censuses titles are written without Canada in the title. They depend on the placename field for the word to be added to the phrase we find when searching.
It was late (i.e. after 9pm sunset) when I was working with that last night. We have also, for the first time this year, reached Texas temperatures, so I didn't want to put on the light in this non-airconditioned house. My d---d cataracts don't always let me see the finer differences on the screen. Pat --Goldenoldie 02:46, 9 July 2013 (EDT)

After I wrote the above note, I went back to the source record. Everything there looked OK. I will look at it again today. I suspect the link is there in the Canada category, but hidden among all of the other details.

I understand about the eyes, but I can't blame cataracts. I have a different condition that means I am extremely short sighted with cone shaped corneas. Something like 3200/20 vision, meaning I see at 20 feet what others see at 3200 feet. The doctor tells me my corneas are irregular so it is like looking through the bottom of a Coke bottle. The good news is that contact lenses flatten the eye so that I can see, but I still have to wear reading glasses for detailed work.

I remember the rare hot day in Edmonton, Canada when we sweltered and got to listen to our neighbour's air conditioner running full time. Down here A/C is a necessity, not an optional luxury. Even then it has to work hard when the outside temp is over 40 degrees higher than comfortable indoor temps.--RGMoffat 12:06, 9 July 2013 (EDT)


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Dalson or Dalston? [5 August 2013]

Hi Rick

You have just added Dalston to Canada West and Dalson to Simcoe County. Typo, I think. I daren't change them because I don't know which is correct. I don't see any family links, but maybe these are held up in GEDCOM approval.

I tried to reserve Canada West places for counties. Yonge Street should really only be in Upper Canada because it appears on petitions for land grants, etc. By 1840 the townships it covered are better established.

/cheers Pat --Goldenoldie 06:28, 5 August 2013 (EDT)


You were right, I am preparing a new upload and have been adding places as required. Yesterday I had to answer the same question for myself. I had both variants in my database. Dalston is correct. I will clean up WR before I do my upload.

I also realized that the auto matches were not always correct when a town and a township have the same name. The auto match was selecting the town rather than the township, so I had to unlink a couple and match them to the township place name. It makes me wonder how many times this has occurred with my earlier uploads. Oh well, nothing is perfect.

Thanks for catching this issue. I just hate it that I keep making work for the WR volunteers.


I have made the same kind of mistake myself and ended up frustrated because I was sure I had entered it and now I can't find it.... [expletive deleted] You have made me spend today tidying up Simcoe County. It is about to have a map! Now to find a database with Kirby Knowle in it. --Goldenoldie 13:54, 5 August 2013 (EDT)

Rick--RGMoffat 13:36, 5 August 2013 (EDT)


Kirby Knowle and Bagby Chapelry [5 August 2013]

Wikipedia has entries for both which should give a bit of description. But WR hasn't discovered Kirby Knowle yet and it's in North Yorkshire--one of the largest counties in England and it's just a stub. My paternal paternals are from North Yorkshire and I keep putting off tackling it.

"BAGBY, in the parish of Kirby Knowle, and wapentake of Birdforth; 4¼ miles S. of Kirby Knowle, 3 miles SE. of Thirsk. Here are two chapels, a Methodist chapel and a Chapel of Ease (see Churches for photograph), of which the rector of Kirby Knowle is curate. Pop. 242." from GENUKI, where they are quoting a gazetteer from the 1820s.

Bagby will be the "chapel of ease" which, as far I can make out, was a subsidiary church or chapel to the main one in a Church of England parish. (I am protestant, but not a member of the Church of England, so my knowledge of its organization is limited.) Bagby is more that 4 miles from the main village of Kirby Knowle, too far for people to travel on foot for Sunday services. Better that the curate travelled to Bagby once or twice a month on horseback to take the service. A chapel of ease may have its own graveyard. In the parish where my folks hailed from, the chapel of ease still had its graveyard, but the parish church had turned theirs into a parking lot.

So, Bagby is a hamlet, Kirby Knowle is a parish, and forget about wapentakes--most people do.

For a smile see the following which came out of a Google search:

Property details for Kirby Knowle Castle Kirby Knowle Thirsk YO7 ... www.zoopla.co.uk › Current home values › North Yorkshire › Thirsk‎ This 10 bed freehold detached house is located at Kirby Knowle Castle, Kirby ... There have been 2 property sales on over the last 5 years with an average sold ... Kirby Knowle Castle, Thirsk, YO7 2JD | Mouseprice www.mouseprice.com/property.../kirby+knowle+castle+thirsk+yo7+2jd‎ 1 Jul 2013 - See property details for Kirby Knowle Castle, Thirsk, YO7 2JD. ... range:Tenure:Type:Year built:Bedrooms:Est. internal area m2

--Goldenoldie 14:40, 5 August 2013 (EDT)


You are having a productive day. Thanks for the info.

So do I treat a parish like a county and include it in the place name? For example, "Bagby Chapelry, Kirby Knowle, North Yorkshire, England", or do I leave out the parish and just use "Bagby Chapelry, North Yorkshire, England"

I am not up on my English geography. Are North Yorkshire and Yorkshire different places, or is Yorkshire just a generic reference?

Thanks again, Rick--RGMoffat 15:39, 5 August 2013 (EDT)


In England it's parish, county, England, or village/hamlet/town/whatever, county, England in WR-speak. There are directions under Help:Places. If you want to talk about Bagby Chapelry, rather than the hamlet of Bagby, then you are treating it like a graveyard or cemetery. Is that what you are aiming at? Have a look at places in Kirkcudbrightshire, Scotland which I have recently sorted out. Parishes=Ontario townships.

Yorkshire has been divided into East Yorkshire, West Yorkshire and North Yorkshire because it is big. How big? Well, even Yorkshire as a whole is smaller than Texas.

Just trying to get my Simcoe County map to fit before I stop for the night. --Goldenoldie 16:05, 5 August 2013 (EDT)


Manual Updates.ged Imported Successfully [7 August 2013]

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--WeRelate agent 15:25, 7 August 2013 (EDT)

are we related through Carpenter/Olmstead family? [18 August 2013]

I think your Gersham and Esther CARPENTER and same couple as my GERSHOM and Esther CARPENTER (Gersham/Gershom). You can check out the Carpenter family with sources on my pages. Thanks. I look forward to hearing from you. Kath Newc--kath newc 14:50, 18 August 2013 (EDT)


I have merged the pages and made some changes to conform to WeRelate standards. We are only related if you descended from their son, Francis Metcalf Carpenter. He married my second cousin, twice removed.

It is interesting that I am unable to find an Ontario death registration for Gershom. Submitting BMD registrations was more casual back then.

Thasks for bringing this to my attention.

Rick Moffat--RGMoffat 16:29, 18 August 2013 (EDT)


Sal [21 September 2013]

Message thwarted by a [return] which went haywire. Trying again. --Goldenoldie 17:42, 21 September 2013 (UTC)


Dalson Cemetery [21 September 2013]

Hi Rick

I draw your attention to Place:Dalston, Simcoe, Ontario, Canada. I think Dalson and Dalston are one and the same. /cheers, Pat --Goldenoldie 17:46, 21 September 2013 (UTC)


You are right. I had a typo in the name. I have renamed the page to Dalston United Cemetry...

Thanks for catching this

Rick--RGMoffat 23:45, 21 September 2013 (UTC)


Canada Stuff [24 September 2013]

If you search through sources with keyword Canada you will find a whole lot of items that reference Nunavut only. Well done the mechanical wizard! How many hours tidy-up would that be? Just kidding. --Goldenoldie 16:24, 24 September 2013 (UTC)


wells/whitcombe [20 October 2013]

Hello Romola,

I met Malcolm at the Wells family reunion C1980 New Plymouth and was given a lot of help from him with both the Wells and Whitcombe families. I have spoken to you by phone, once when I lived in NZ.

I have a fairly comprehensive history of the Whitcombe family, but very little of the Wells family, I do however have some very nice photos of Wells that are probably unviewed to date that should be interesting to you.

My father Ivan, who maintained contact with Malcolm has recently died, as I guess most others have with a first hand knowledge of the family, looking forward to hearing from you

John D--Whitcombe 18:07, 29 September 2013 (UTC)


I am not Romola, although I did correspond with her a couple of times a number of years ago. Malcolm corresponded with several of my aunts but when I wrote to him, I was too late. Romola replied in his place.

I was born and raised in Saskatchewan, Canada, and worked for about 17 years in Texas. We have now retired to Arizona.

If you have any pictures of Malcolm or other family members included in this Wiki, feel free to upload them. If you would rather someone else do it, you could send me copies to be uploaded.

Rick Moffat--RGMoffat 16:03, 20 October 2013 (UTC)


Flos, Simcoe, Ontario, Canada [23 October 2013]

Hi Rick Your addition of Knox Presbyterian Cemetery to the place page really makes the page look good. Do you think you could find some more cemeteries from the OnGenWeb list to fill up the side of the map? If it's a matter of selecting, I would choose the largest ones.

It's one of those jobs I would do myself if I had the time. I am working hard at cleaning up all the placenames of the West Riding of Yorkshire, England (which currently are listed only under Yorkshire with the other two ridings). Like Ontario, England had a major local government reorganization in 1974 and the West Riding places moved to any of South Yorkshire, West Yorkshire, North Yorkshire, with a few odds and sods to the East Riding or the City of York. Almost done, but I have a cataract operation on Friday and who knows when I will get back to the computer after that. Thank goodness, whoever designed the web pages on WeRelate used a comfortable font size and colour. Ancestry is impossible now.

/cheers, Pat --Goldenoldie 06:03, 23 October 2013 (UTC)


I will look for some more cemeteries to add. The link on the place page seems to be automatically added when you create a cemetery page, but I'm not sure it is done consistently. We will see.

Good luck with the surgery, and I pray for a rapid recovery.

My wife will probably get her new knee on Oct 31st. They had to remove the last implant due to an infection, and she has had a temporary knee for the last 7 or 8 weeks. We will be glad when this is over.--RGMoffat 18:31, 23 October 2013 (UTC)


I bet you will both be glad. Eyes are one thing; knees are something else.
Pat


Flight Lieutenant Eldon Burke Elliott [16 November 2013]

Sir I'm doing some research into geographical features in the north named in honour of Canadian fatal war casualties. F/L Elliott has a lake in Nunavut named in his honour. I'm attempting to obtain a picture of each of the fallen. If you have a picture of this brave airman or know where I might look it would be greatly appreciated. I have prepared a biographical sketch of F/L Elliott if you are interested.

Blair Neatby Yellowknife, NT--Bneatby 17:30, 16 November 2013 (UTC)


Are you planning to update his WeRelate person page? If not, can you at least give me the coordinates of the lake named for him, so that I can include that on this page.

I don't have a photo of him, unless there is one in the booklet written by his father. We just moved so I can't lay my hands on the booklet right now.

The book "Age Shall Not Weary Them" by Bill Barry has a biographical sketch of Eldon as well. Saskatchewan has named about 3,800 geographic features as memorials of war dead and this book includes the details at the end of each biographical sketch. Interestingly, Lt. Elliot is not commemorated in this way, or at least the details are not included in this book.

You might be interested in an interesting coincidence. He was decorated for a mission in which he picked up two survivors of the Ploesti (or Ploesty) raid. My son-in-law attended the US Airforce Weapons School in Las Vegas and as a graduate now belongs to the 328th Weapons Squadron. This is the squadron (or at least it has evolved from it) that executed the raid. Small world.

I congratulate and encourage you on undertaking this task. It is very worthwhile.

Rick--RGMoffat 18:43, 16 November 2013 (UTC)


Carpenter family/Saltfleets, Wentworth, Ontario [28 March 2014]

Hi RGMoffat, I think we are related through the Carpenter family in Saltfleets, Wentworth, Ontario, although it is a distant connection. I am thankful and impressed with your research and the sources you have added. Thank you. KathNewc--kath newc 02:30, 28 March 2014 (UTC)

Thank you for taking the time to leave a note. I'm glad you find my research useful. Rick

Thomas White [30 April 2014]

I read with interest your story on Thomas White.My Great grandmother Susanna (White)Johnston was his sister. My Grandmother Johnston gave me an older picture of the sawmill that you described.My great grandfather William Johnston is pictured in it (this I know because my Grandmother pointed him out to me and he is surrounded by several other men as well as many children...even a cute little dog)I would be happy to share this picture with you if you don't have a copy.Do let me know.I don't know my way around this site so I hope I am contacting the right person, Val French-Stone--Valfrench 21:31, 29 April 2014 (UTC)valstone@roadrunner.com


You can send a scanned copy of the picture to me @gmail.com. Use my user id for the first half of the address. Sorry to not spell out the address, but I don't want any more spam than I already get. Have you checked out Gladys' page? I recently posted a picture or two of her, and have others I should upload. She passed away when my brother was about six. When he heard she had a heart attack, he thought she had died with a tack in her heart. That would do it So are you related thru Arleta. I only met her once in the early sixties.

Rick--RGMoffat 00:10, 30 April 2014 (UTC)


Ontario Census Divisions [8 May 2014]

Hi Rick

I wonder about your placenames entry for Muskoka and Parry Sound Census Division. The problem is that if all the census divisions for all the years were entered it would make an awfully long list. The divisions changed every decade through the period from 1891 through 1911 (and probably again in 1921). I can understand it making sense for less densely populated regions like M and PS, but when you get down to York County---help!

The census is a federal government operation and a source can be quoted without having a special entry for each division. Take a look at the entries for Person:Jemima Field (1) and Person:William Arnold (87) (both northern Ontario entries) or Person:Christina Hall (2) and family for a Toronto one. (My great-grandmother made sure everyone was home for census night!)

Anyway, that's the way I look at it.

/cheers, Pat --Goldenoldie 06:04, 8 May 2014 (UTC)


It's good to see you back in action again.

The only reason this "place" exists is for the source record for the 1901 census record that I created. To conform to WeRelate standards of County, State/Province, Country as the place for a census source, I needed a place that correctly identified the census division. There are not a lot of cases that I have come across that require using a census division rather than a county name.

I see that your census citations don't include the county, etc. I prefer to include them because as more census data gets added it will be easier to drill down to specific areas of interest.

We appear to be the two folks most active on Canadian records. What do you think?

Rick--RGMoffat 14:07, 8 May 2014 (UTC)


Hi Rick

Well, I still think that a Canadian census is a federal publication and there is no need to cite the "chapter", i.e., the census division. The census citation may not mention the county, but it is given as the Place the person was in when the census occurred. We shall agree to differ.

I have been here at WR all the time, but I have been concentrating on sorting out place definitions for English counties. I have been working on Yorkshire and Lancashire (with a bit of Cheshire thrown in for good measure) since last September. I wish I could see the end. In 1974 there was a nationwide reorganization of municipalities. Yorkshire (which WR should have been completely organized into the three ridings to begin with) put its large pie back together and cut it up differently, and then in 1996 some of the natives got restless and it had to be done again. (See my template {{Humberside era}}). In Lancashire Greater Manchester and Merseyside were made into new counties and each of the little places within them have to be noted both ways. Cheshire gave the Wirral peninsula to Merseyside and some other bits to Greater Manchester. All this obliged two decent-sized Lancashire towns, Widnes and Warrington, who didn't want to be part of either of the new counties, in Cheshire instead.

Occasionally I do real genealogy--like when on 31 December I was finally able to confirm that my great-great grandmother's maiden name was Maw. I knew her eldest son was named Newyear (despite being born on 6 April) and there was her baptism in Yorkshire in FamilySearch: "daughter of Newyear and Elizabeth Maw". How's that for a primary source? Her marriage, which I had looked for since 1980, turned out to have her husband's surname mistranscribed. She went through the rest of her life in Canada as the wife or "relict" of George Lyle.

There are a few other active Canadians on WeRelate--the most notable is DataAnalyst. Her user page was "Page of the Week" back in January or so. There are a couple of others whose names just don't come to mind.

Must go. Dinner-time here. /cheers, Pat --Goldenoldie 16:14, 8 May 2014 (UTC)


John [7 June 2014]

--Janlane 02:59, 7 June 2014 (UTC)


John Thomas Renwick [7 June 2014]


Headline text [8 June 2014]

Bold text'Hello, my name is Jan Lane. My birthname is Janice Iilene Murdock and John Thomas Renwick was my mother's birth father, and Mary Harriet Glidden Renwick was her birth mother. I have information which you may be interested about John Thomas Renwick, my maternal grandfather. According to information given to me directly by my Grandma Renwick, and my mother Vergene Renwick Murdock, my Grandfather's birthplace was somewhere in Germany. He was adopted as a very small boy by the Renwick Family. His actual birth name was Johan Tomas Koenig. I believe his name is of Prussian Jewish ancestry.--Janlane 03:05, 7 June 2014 (UTC)


This is not a family that I am actively researching, but in order to keep several unrelated Renwick families straight I recorded information about them. Feel free to edit the pages. If you do not care to do that, I will use your note to make some updates, when I have some "spare" time. Thank you for contacting me, and good luck with your research.

Rick--RGMoffat 04:40, 8 June 2014 (UTC)


Annat, Inverness-shire, Scotland and the Smith Family [4 August 2014]

Hi Rick

I just discovered Annat while sorting out Inverness-shire--and redirected it. According to Wikipedia it is now a caravan site near a village named Corpach at the bottom of the Caledonian Canal (which attaches Loch Ness to the Irish Sea). Busy place in WW2 from the sounds of it.

There are so many places in Scotland the size of Annat that I now tend to redirect them to the main village in the parish. The difficulty is to remember to check the "What links here" before I do so.

/cheers, Pat --Goldenoldie 09:59, 4 August 2014 (UTC)


Ontario Categories [15 September 2014]

I see you are adding categories for places in Ontario. Great idea, but an awful lot of work to get them all to match. The sources are already in these categories, so I think it is worthwhile to put the places into the categories as well.

I am doing it in England and Scotland--a category for the newest of the two series of municipal reorganizations, one for the original county, and one for the parish (equates to an Ontario township)--but these are being added along with all the other details, not as a separate step afterward. I am "redirecting" many hamlets into their parishes.

Cemeteries of each original county are good too, even if only those with a large "population" were included.

/cheers, Pat
--Goldenoldie 17:59, 22 August 2014 (UTC)


You are right. I was experimenting a bit this morning. I would like to have Ontario places point to their county category. Unfortunately, the way the Ontario Category displays data, Counties (sub-categories) are sorted alphabetically with everything else, so anything after P ends up buried multiple pages deeper in the detail. Still worth doing, but I will have to see how much I accomplish.

Right now I am off on a tangent, transcribing WWI veterans info into www.canadiangreatwarproject.com. I am currently creating a list of the 2000+ that died on the first day of the battle of Vimy Ridge. Only a couple of hundred left to do, then on to the next three days.

Keep up the good work Rick


Obviously there ought to be a sub-category for each county--probably a problem for the management. How are American states set up?

Your Vimy Ridge project is admirable. Where are you going to publish it? I am sure there are Ontario organizations like the Ontario Genealogical Society who would like to know about it, at the very least.

Naturally, so much is being produced about WW1 at the moment--from both sides of the Atlantic. While I have every respect for those who died, the messy politics that caused the war upset me. I feel very out of it. WW1 happened half a generation away from when my closest family could have participated. My grandparents were all born between 1872 and 1878, my parents and their siblings (a total of 5 people) between 1902 and 1909. None of that part of the younger generation went to war although my dad was in the reserves. Stretching a bit further into the 19th century family tree one great aunt's son died on active service in 1916, but she was the earliest to marry out of all that lot (total 17), so that was the only one possible.

Pat/--Goldenoldie 09:34, 24 August 2014 (UTC)


Just had a look at Ontario Categories. I think the problem is to get all the Places out of Ontario Categories and only have them come in under the counties. BUT all the Counties must be listed as subcategories under Category:Ontario.

What I've been doing in the UK is at the parish/county level. Any settlement of village or hamlet size is re-directed to the category of its parish, i.e., when the Category for Evanton (which is in Kiltearn parish in Ross and Cromarty) comes up in red after entering a description for the place, I open up the Category edit-screen and write #redirect[[Category:Kiltearn, Ross and Cromarty, Scotland]]. That makes Evanton a sub-category of Kiltearn just like there are a few counties of Ontario that are currently sub-categories of Ontario. Notice that sub-categories are not prefixed by the word "Place:".

Larger places, particularly those no longer allied to a county like Toronto, Ottawa, Hamilton, London, etc, should be sub-categories of Ontario.

Maybe I've got the wrong end of the stick here. Just putting a few words down on screen in between writing up parishes. Pat/--Goldenoldie 13:31, 24 August 2014 (UTC)


I agree that it would be desirable to get all of the places out of the Ontario Category, unfortunately, I don't see a way to do it. When a place is created, this category is automatically assigned and cannot be removed by an edit of the category.

As far as the Vimy List it is a feature of the Canadian Great War Project site. They have a menu item on the left side banner for Group Functions and you can create virtual lists that are either Public or Private. My Vimy list is public. See http://www.canadiangreatwarproject.com/searches/groupSoldierResult.asp?selReport=Fallen+at+Vimy+Ridge+Day+1&selSort=order+by+lastName%2C+firstName&selOutput=S&UID=RGMoffat

I may write about it but have not thought much about where I could "publish" it, although I have thought about a WeRelate article. Haven't played with them too much.

Thanks for the comments! Rick--RGMoffat 14:43, 27 August 2014 (UTC)


Pat Can you check out the Place Rothsay, Wellington, Ontario? It contains a Template reference that either does not exist or is incorrectly named. I suspect you might have set up this page since you are so methodical at adding in relevant information. It looks like your work :-)

Rick


Rothsay, Wellington, Ontario [15 September 2014]

The answer is it looks like I didn't build the template. I checked Rockwood in Wellington and it isn't there either--and there are no templates under Wellington except "wp" ones. Wellington was the last county I did in Ontario, it's no wonder I didn't finish it the exercise. It got a map though. I shall have to find what I did for some of the other middle-sized counties.

Spelling Rothsay without the 'e' is all wrong. My grandfather and his family hailed from Rothesay, Bute, Scotland. His grandfather, John Palmer, the burgh schoolmaster and registrar would have had a fit.

/cheers, Pat--Goldenoldie 06:47, 15 September 2014 (UTC)


Bruce County [16 September 2014]

Hi Rick

I got the notice about McIntosh Cemetery--and added its address from the geneofun site. I thought the rule was to put cemeteries under the immediate locality in which they are situated? Yet, I understand why in a low density population area like Bruce County you want to put them under the county. But then, shouldn't all cemeteries already listed in Bruce be located on the county page? (Yes, I know. Work.)

I have narrowed the map a bit so that it is more likely to line up with the text rather than being placed underneath the list of places.

Recalling our conversation about categories a week or two back, I added [[Category:Bruce, Ontario, Canada]] on the Bruce County page and look what happened! A list of all the sources referencing Bruce County--rather useful. This could be done for all the Ontario county pages. ...And all the pages within a county. (Yes, I know. Work.) This is what I am doing for British places now. The categories are one of the many "copy and paste" phrases kept on my Sticky Notes stack along with {{wikipedia-notice|---}}, etc.

/cheers, Pat --Goldenoldie 10:12, 16 September 2014 (UTC)


I created the cemetery on the fly and didn't include everything I should have. Thanks for the help.

The category page for [[Category:Bruce, Ontario, Canada]] had three versions of the same graphic. Only one of them had kinks, so I removed the "place" reference from the other two so that they no longer appear on this page.

Regarding why I left the cemetery at the county level, I'm working from memory, but I think I read that if the cemetery is not located in a place (town, village, etc) to put it at the county level. They don't seem to use the township level too much. And from my quick research, McIntosh appeared to me to be a rural district and and not a village, etc. I need to go back and refresh my memory, and update my notes.

I noticed the PD-self category. Good idea for keeping track of uploaded images. I have occasionally gone to my watch list to find an image, but they are mixed with everything else. This is much more useful.

Thanks again, Rick --


Toronto Cemeteries [23 September 2014]

Hi Rick

I have added addresses and short notes for the cemeteries already listed in WR. Holy Cross Cemetery which serves the whole of the Toronto area has been moved to the York County page and should really be moved to Thornhill (because that is where it is located. But there ought to be a note under Toronto Cemeteries to say so. Not sure how to add it.

Health has kept me away from WR for a few days and now I must get to bed. I'll look at the others in the morning.

Pat----Goldenoldie 21:31, 23 September 2014 (UTC)


Knox Cemetery, Uptergrove [24 September 2014]

Hi Rick

I am not finding Knox Cemetery in Uptergrove on Ontario GenWeb Cemeteries--only in Atherley. This is not to say it doesn't exist, but usually Ontario GenWeb has done a pretty good job. You might check with Sherri Pettit through the website. She responds pretty quickly.

The WR Category for Ramara ought to be [[Category:Ramara, Simcoe, Ontario, Canada]]. I have now also done categories for Rama and Mara.

Just found [[Category:Ontario, Ontario, Canada]] where the sources really need a cleanout. Sources and places were linked by someone without geographical knowledge.

Are you aware of all the dead people in Ramara in the WR database?--it's 100s!

Hope you don't mind the double check.

Pat--Goldenoldie 10:44, 24 September 2014 (UTC) --- I updated the cemetery address and added some links that I found with a Google search.

I have not been adding GenWeb as a resource when it does not have transcriptions. I had not thought of the address and other info on the page.

I took a quick look at sources for Ontario, Ontario. Most of them are relevant. Some cover a number of counties, including Ontario, Ontario. In a couple of cases, they are for historical counties that I suspect included places now in Ontario County. I did reclassify a couple of obvious ones.

Rick


Loyalist Cemetery, L & A [24 September 2014]

Hi Rick

Canada GenWeb don't appear to have found this one and it needs an address. Maybe I'm looking too quickly, but I am having interruptions and must break off for a while.

Pat --Goldenoldie 11:19, 24 September 2014 (UTC)


Why are you truncating coordinates? [26 September 2014]

Hi, Why are you truncating latitude and longitude coordinates down to three decimals? It is moving the position, in the last case for Bethel Doxsee cemetery, off of the actual cemetery location. I will also be changing the structure of that article as I do not think sections named "Resources" are sufficiently clear or focused enough to conform with good editorial practice. --Artefacts 15:15, 25 September 2014 (UTC)


The recommended practice for this Wiki is to use 3 decimals of precision for Lat and Long. As you point out, in the case of a small cemetery this may not be precise enough. Feel free to expand the level of precision again, I will not change it if you do.

Using the heading Resources is consistent with other cemetery place records for the US and Canada. As we review cemetery places to include more "standard" information and catagories, we have been adding them, as required.

You built an informative page, and I was not trying to detract from your work. Rick Moffat

Okay, where do I go to have input on what the editorial standard for cemeteries is? thanks --Artefacts 16:11, 25 September 2014 (UTC)


That's a good question. You have a couple of alternatives:

  • search the FAQ and Support pages to see if there is an existing topic that you can join
  • raise a question at the watercooler

I haven't used the watercooler so am not much help there. Rick--

Okay, so when you say you are "standardizing" these are standards you have developed yourself and which are not devised by WeRelate community consensus? I noticed you seem to be replicating content from OnGenWeb listings for cemeteries. What is the rationale for replicating that content on WeRelate (and what is the risk that this is copyright infringement or plagiarism)? I would think WeRelate is a place for providing full encyclopedia style articles on the cemetery (as subject) while OnGenWeb seems to be directory listing at best. --Artefacts 20:37, 25 September 2014 (UTC)


I'm not sure which page you are looking at, but no, I am not lifting data from GenWeb. A member of the Place Patrol has been evolving the content added to cemetery pages, and I have been endeavoring to conform to some of her changes, and have pushed back on others. We are all volunteers trying to develop a resource that is useful to the genealogical community, without straying into the territory of replicating content from Wikipedia, or adding content that should be there. Where the WP template is used, we also endeavor to add the WP notice template.

My personal agenda is to add links that lead to sites with a meaningful number of transcriptions or photos for a given cemetery, and to ensure categories are assigned to increase their value as a research tool. I have experimented with the format of headings for Internet vs Not on the Internet headings, and have asked for her feedback. I am concentrating on Canadian Cemeteries. I did a pass a couple of years ago, and have started another review.

Rick

I will suggest that instead of "Resources" as a heading, we go with "Documentation, transcriptions and links" to encourage people to research and then write up:

  1. Whether or not the cemetery ever had a burial register
  2. If and when the stones were transcribed (how many stones and/or how many index names -- Ontario Cemetery Finding Aid indexes names, so it comes up with more names than burials). Ontario Cemetery Finding Aid links and references should be in Ontario articles as it is the most comprehensive with 2 million, although findagrave is starting to catch up. With instructions and/or link out to transcript access points (and I link out to CemSearch for the 10 counties covered).
  3. Links to findagrave as applicable
  4. Links to pamphlet-type web content and directory style listings like OnGenWeb.

This is important as placing links to other directory listings on the web without commenting on these other standard sources can cause the more valuable sources to be over-looked. In my experience (and I have been working solidly on cemeteries for three months, including field visits) there is a great deal of information on Ontario cemeteries available, it is just hidden within several library/archives, OGS branches, and hard for people to become acquainted with quickly. No reason why WeRelate can't be comprehensive -- particularly as these place pages link directly to person pages for people buried there. --Artefacts 15:47, 26 September 2014 (UTC)


Thank you for your comments above. I have created a template designed to be added to Ontario cemetery place pages that I hope covers some of your ideas from above. It is a draft and you can help make it better.

Please check Template:Cemetery Research - Ontario - General and make suggestions (as new topics) on the Talk page. If you are aware of other interested WeRelate users, invite them to review the page as well. You can also go to Place:Immanuel Baptist Cemetery, Killaloe, Renfrew, Ontario, Canada to see how the template data looks when it is incorporated into a cemetery page.

Note that I have not yet acted upon your suggestion for the replacement of the "Resources" heading. I think we should include others in the discussion to come up with a good Canadian format for cemetery pages.

Rick--RGMoffat 19:38, 26 September 2014 (UTC)


Personal categories [3 October 2014]

Hi Rick, I noticed that you created the category Category:RGM-self. WR categories are meant to be community spaces to organize pages of general interest. On Help:Categories#When_shouldn.27t_I_create_a_category_page.3F it says "Categories should not be created for personal collections of pages. Tree are the appropriate way to create such collections. Categories should be used for more universally-defined collections." --Jennifer (JBS66) 17:56, 3 October 2014 (UTC)


Opps. I saw PD-self and thought it was a gppd idea. My bad.

Can you elaborate on the "Tree(s) are the appropriate way to create such collections" statement? --Rick--RGMoffat 21:50, 3 October 2014 (UTC)

The images in the PD-self category are placed there automatically when somebody chooses the "Own work, all rights released" option in the License field of an image. As for using Trees to organize pages: At the bottom of each page (including image pages) there are check boxes for the Trees you've set up. These are created by going to My Relate>Trees. You can individually assign a page to a tree (say the Moffat, White, or Yourt Trees you've already set up) or you could create a new one for images-only if you wanted. I think the better way to find the images you've added to WR would be through a search though. You could choose the namespace Image and enter +Tree:"RGMoffat/Moffat Tree" in the keywords field to search for images in a specific tree. --Jennifer (JBS66) 22:25, 3 October 2014 (UTC)