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Volunteer Community on WeRelate [21 January 2016]
I have always been impressed with the way that wiki projects attract volunteers, I have worked on several over the years and found the vast amount of knowledge added by volunteers to be impressive. A little more difficult to quantify is the level of administration volunteering, as sites get larger there is more need for volunteers to check and if necessary correct errors, settle disputes and generally ensure that the site is an effective tool for users.
WeRelate has had a vast input from volunteer administrators which makes it easier for people to add more data and for researchers to find information they need. Many volunteers have done marvellous work but cannot keep up with the workload year after year, the small number of active volunteers now on WeRelate are probably not enough to keep up with the workload.
I have been talking with Dallan about this and he has suggested that, with my experience of administrating wiki sites, I start to build up the administration community again.
To be effective the admin community does of course need people to volunteer, but volunteers do not need to commit themselves to onerous timetables or dozens of hours of work a week. Just spending an hour a week doing something you enjoy can be a great help, whether you are helping a new researcher, checking for duplicates or suggesting sources for unsourced pages it all helps.
If you are currently an admin please feel free to give feedback on how things could be improved, it would also be nice to hear from you if you think everything is fine as it is.
If you want to offer some time to give something back to the community please look at the Volunteer link at the top right of most pages, you can join in by posting to the talk page of a project that interests you or discuss the requirements here. If you prefer to contact me direct you can do that as well.
Let us see if we can work together and make 2016 the year when WeRelate matures into the best free genealogy webite. Rmg 10:25, 16 January 2016 (UTC)
One of the things that seems to make a difference, both here and on other sites, is the extent of communication between active users. We are all human, and even the most dedicated like to receive some recognition, even if it's only some sort of acknowledgment that we are here and that we are heard when we have a comment or question. There are any number of examples -- on the Water Cooler, on the Suggestion Pages, and elsewhere, where a person asks a questions, and no one answers.When that happens, potential new users are turned off, and more experienced users begin to develop an attitude of "Heh, who cares?" There is an Oversight Committee -- is it still active? Does it do anything? Could communication begin to come from there -- possibly some kind of "Here's what is happening/here's what we're thinking about" report, asking for feedback and input. Getting people interested can be as much of a motivation to getting them to volunteer as anything else. --GayelKnott 20:14, 16 January 2016 (UTC)
Lots of good suggestions here, and some indication of the 'hidden' work that gets done, thanks to everyone just doing their little bit here and there.
One of the nice things here, at least for me, is the fact you can be left in peace to 'do your thing' on some sites I get thousands of messages a day and things get lost in the pile. WeRelate does seem to be a bit to far the other way as Gayel points out. In an ideal world people should get feedback to questions and gedcom uploads the same day at a minimum, the low number of active admins does lead to delays. While you do meed to be an admin to do some things, or be technically involved to answer some questions, anyone can answer questions, if only to let the questioner know they are not alone or to clarify the problem. Perhaps we could add a featured user to the home page? A way to acknowledge the hard work that people do, even if it is just a list of the top 5 contributors the month before.
I was somewhat surprised at the lack of communication between admins, as Daniel points out, I have some plans along those lines I am discussing with Dallan.
Thank you for the suggestions, keep them coming. -Rmg 09:02, 17 January 2016 (UTC)
One problem I've noticed is the slow response to Gedcom submissions, which I expect significantly impacts participation. (At the moment, for instance, there are two Gedcoms waiting for admins, one apparently waiting nearly 3 days.) Handling this requires admin status (as well as judgement, experience, and a diplomatic touch), so ordinary member volunteers can't help out with reducing the response time. Maybe more admins or better coordination might be able to help. --robert.shaw 19:38, 17 January 2016 (UTC)
Two brief thoughts -- I'm one of those who likes to 'float', so I like the suggestion above to centralize projects that could benefit from focus. We also used to have an admin email list. It got a little unwieldy eventually and was retired in favor of the committee structure, but I have to admit I miss the community of admins on there, and getting to know each other in a less public forum. It was also, practically speaking, a good way to cover things like the gedcom person going on vacation.--Amelia 01:44, 18 January 2016 (UTC)
I have been following this discussion for the past couple of days wondering where to put my two cents worth in. A couple of years ago I volunteered to join the gedcom reviewing panel, but on finding I did not understand the instructions well enough to guide others through the procedure, I reverted to improving the British place pages. The latter job is stil far from complete, but like others I want to vary the tasks at hand.
Perhaps there are other would-be gedcom reviewers in the same boat.
A suggestion: Could we ask those offering gedcoms to provide a brief (only a short paragraph) account of their family: how many people, what countries are covered, how far back does the family go, how much research has been done. If this information was provided with the gedcom, someone with knowledge of the place and time might be able to act as a mentor. --Goldenoldie 19:07, 18 January 2016 (UTC)
A small comment re: updating help pages. The most helpful pages for me are ones that point to an actual page(s). One actual example is worth as much or more than several paragraphs.--SkippyG 17:49, 19 January 2016 (UTC)
Another suggestion: For those who don't want to become admins, but would like to contribute more, perhaps each admin could tandem with one or two other contributors for particular projects that don't necessarily require admin status. That way projects get done faster, and contributors acquire additional skills skills and a greater sense of involvement in WR. I've seen some of this already, why not broaden ?--SkippyG 18:08, 19 January 2016 (UTC)
Dallan and I have set up a private Admin Community page. All admins will get an email to join the group, it is separate from the WeRelate site. To invite you I will need your user name and email, rather than sending a message through WR then waiting for a reply please send your details to werelate (at) rhima.info. Same applies if you are not an admin but want to join in the fun. Those admins that have missed this discussion will be contacted through the WR mail system.
SkippyG, I am thinking about the best way to impliment this suggestion, for none admin tasks it just really needs a page for admins to ask or volunteers to offer help which should be easy to set up, but someone may have a better idea. -Rmg 09:21, 21 January 2016 (UTC)
Publicly Called on the Carpet [1 February 2016]
Oops. Marie Le Mahieu and Marie de Lannoy the wife of Jean Pesyn are two different people. It would be great if one of the watchers for these people or a WR Zuid-Holland Huguenot expert could fix this. (The text on the Jean Pesyn page also needs to change.) --pkeegstra 13:58, 31 January 2016 (UTC)
Contest Update [23 feb 2016]
I tried having a consistent contest every week announced on my blog but it really fell flat. With all my responsibilities I really have no time to promote the contest. But I don't want to be a whiner and I'm not ready to give up the idea so I am going to change it a little - I'm not going to have an ending date - I am just going to try to promote one subject for two or three weeks or longer if there is interest. And this time I am really going to try to promote it. I included handy hashtags you can easily copy to Twitter or Facebook. Thanks for helping me out by sharing a link. You can share by talking about it and linking to the front page of WeRelate. Here's to more collaboration! Our current subject is civil rights activist Rosa Parks. Here is what I am writing on Twitter We are crowdsourcing the genealogy of civil rights activist Rosa Parks! Hashtags #crowdsourcinggenealogy #collaboration #WeRelate #RosaParks http://www.werelate.org/ --cthrnvl 17:35, 23 February 2016 (UTC)
nice ! how can i help? thx, Ron woepwoep 20:53, 23 February 2016 (UTC)
Donations and Advertising [28 feb 2016]
I decided this morning to make a donation and remove the advertising from WR screens. When I attempted to fill in the form for a Visa payment, I found that it would accept only American addresses and zip codes. Apparently, the only online payment system it accepts is PayPal (with American addresses) and I live in the United Kingdom. The instructions should be adjusted for your international users. There is no point allowing logos for other payment systems that will not be accepted.
Second, the right hand adverts strip is far too wide. I reduce the standard inbox screen to about 14 inches on a 18.5-inch wide monitor and use the remainder of the screen for StickyNotes filled with templates that I am using in WR. The right hand adverts strip reduces my screen space by a further 4 inches. Other websites I use do not use such a large advertising strip.
BTW, the advertising I get is from British firms.
I know there are other ways to prevent adverts, but they do not replace the wasted 4 inches of screen width.
--Goldenoldie 11:02, 28 February 2016 (UTC)
on the plus side, once you pay and login to your phone, the ads are gone there too! (just to say that once it works, it works great. i paid 2016 already in 2015 because i now understand that it is the right thing to do. compliments to Dallan for the implementation) thx, R woepwoep 16:55, 28 February 2016 (UTC)
Genealogy in Time ratings [12 March 2016]
Genealogy in Time magazine has just published their ratings for the "Top 100 genealogy websites" of 2016, which some people here may be interested in. Their rankings are based on website traffic - number of visitors, time spent on the site and content consumed on the website. Clearly it's important for a website like WeRelate that relies on ad revenue to pay its operating costs that we continue to attract attention.
Unfortunately the steady decline has continued. WeRelate is now rated #100, down from #79 last year and a high of #54 in 2013. The list of free family tree websites is topped again by WikiTree at #15, with the French Geneawiki and Ukrainian Rodovid overtaking WeRelate this year.
I've dusted off my person count figures and the growth here has more than halved in the last couple of years and now stands at less than 250 per day:
Note the dip in 2013 was due to deletion efforts rather than a reduction in gross new person pages.
Having tried other sites I keep coming back to WeRelate myself as I find it the best site for what I want. Is there any way to reverse the decline, or is this site destined to become quieter and quieter, with presumably ever more intrusive ads? AndrewRT 22:18, 10 March 2016 (UTC)
Add child [3 May 2016]
Is it not possible to only add a child to someone? I go to edit a person's page and the option 'Add spouse and children' link is available, but the spouse has already been added and appears for this person. When I click the link it takes me to 'Add a Family' and fills in the same name of the person whom I am trying to edit (to which I am trying to add a child) as the husband (although the spouse name is blank - except that spouse name is known). Confused? Yes, so am I. Why can't I simply click an 'Add a child' link?
In fact, the child is already in the system, but when trying to search for that child's name (with wife) it comes up with combinations that are not close even though I have taken the spellings from the exact page I am trying to link.
With other genealogy-related systems I've used, such as Find-A-Grave, I simply enter the code for a parent on the child's page and it's done. I would think there would be something similar.
I don't know anything except that I'm probably doing something way wrong.
By the way, I'm trying to link Charles Weber (8) and Adeline Jaimet (1) to their son, August Weber (1).--Tom.s.010101 00:54, 3 May 2016 (UTC)
Thanks. I think that fixed the issue. At least it appears the son is now connected to the parents.
So, Charles and Adeline weren't already added as a family? But, I would swear they were already added as husband and wife. Wouldn't that be a family by itself (since some relatives may have no children)?--Tom.s.010101 01:29, 3 May 2016 (UTC)
What's with the My Heritage Adds appearing in the text section of person profiles? [5 May 2016]
When you are not logged in, the text section of the person profile page has a paragraph and links touting vital records and historical information supposedly for that person at My Heritage. Have we signed some sort of deal with them? Are they paying for this advertising? --GayelKnott 18:25, 5 May 2016 (UTC)