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[add comment] [edit] Category and TOC [1 jun 2012]Hi Jennifer, I have two questions about categories
I also see
[[:Category:Ball in United States|*Kentucky]], Category:Surnames in Kentucky, Category:Ball surname and Category:Surname in place
Jennifer,
(Ik begrijp dat je me niet kan wijzen op afspraken, die ergens ten aan zien dit onderwerp zijn gemaakt. Ik begrijp dat je ook geen eigen ideeën ten aan zien dit onderwerp hebt. Ik ga door zoals ik deed en ga bij de categorieën ‘in staat of land’ alleen ook de TOC {{SurnameCategoryTOC}} toevoegen. Met vriendelijke groet, Lidewij PS. een goede Moederdag.) Lidewij, I have recently returned from a trip to the Netherlands and I've been a bit busy with settling back in here :) I do agree with you that unity would be a good idea. However, I hesitate to give further instructions about categories. It appears that Dallan is still planning to replace categories with another type of system. I don't know when this will happen. I am personally not putting time into creating new categories until this new system is better defined. I am sorry that I can't be more help with this. I wish you a nice Mother's Day as well! Groetjes, --Jennifer (JBS66) 06:59, 13 May 2012 (EDT)
[add comment] [edit] Stumped by Gezina Mollema [4 June 2012]Looking for the parents of Gezina Mollema, i.e. Jessie, I had no trouble finding her father. The only readily obvious Anna Vander Velde, on the other hand, does not appear to be a good fit. I was expecting someone with a death date between 1896 and 1900. --Pkeegstra 16:27, 12 May 2012 (EDT) Here are a few clues I've found so far: In searching for Albert Mollema on FS, there are spouses named Annie Vander Velde, Katherine Vander Velde, and Treintje Van Der Velde. The birth record for one of the earliest children calls her "Treintje" - so we may be looking for a Trientje instead of an Anna. --Jennifer (JBS66) 17:59, 12 May 2012 (EDT)
Marriage 1 Treintje (Annie) VANDE VELDE b: 1 Feb 1857 in HOLLAND, MICH. Married: 1 Children Jessie MOLLEMA b: 14 Jul 1894 in JENISON, MICH. (KENT CO.) Sophia MOLLEMA Kate MOLLEMA Jennie MOLLEMA John (1) MOLLEMA Martin MOLLEMA John (2) MOLLEMA
I'm just catching up on the progress with this puzzle. I think the information above (b 1 Feb 1857 in Holland, Michigan) may be a misinterpretation of Tennie Mollema's death certificate. Her death certificate states that she died on 1 May 1898 at the age of 41 y 3 m - taken literally, that would mean she was born on 1 Feb 1857 (which isn't necessarily true). Also, it states that she was born in "Holland", but does not clarify whether that was Holland, Michigan or Holland meaning the Netherlands. Also, I wonder if the mother listed on her death certificate is "Katie" instead of "Hatie". What parts of this puzzle do you still need sleuthing help on - or are you pretty much all set? --Jennifer (JBS66) 08:30, 14 May 2012 (EDT)
[add comment] [edit] Page to delete [27 mei 2012]Hoi Jennifer, There is no template that we can stick to a delete page?? For example { {Template:Wr-delete-page} } see Alabama. Mvg, Lidewij 08:52, 27 May 2012 (EDT)
[add comment] [edit] Place:Farmer [8 July 2019]Moi Jennifer, Non-existing pages with the most referrals. "Place:Farmer" 1470 x. These are mistakes made on the pages by Occupation, or was there another appointment. Mvg, Lidewij 09:09, 1 June 2012 (EDT)
[add comment] [edit] Next step: Review your GEDCOM [3 June 2012]You're not done yet! WeRelate is different from most family tree websites. By contributing to WeRelate you are helping to create Pando for genealogy, a free, unified family tree that combines the best information from all contributors. Now that you have uploaded Testnames.ged, your next step is to review what your pages will look like, review any potential warnings, and combine (merge) people in your GEDCOM with matching people already on WeRelate. You need to review your GEDCOM before it can finish importing. We will keep your GEDCOM in the queue for two weeks to give you time to review it. Note: if your gedcom contains many errors or multiple families, we’d ask that you resolve and correct the errors, delete this gedcom and re-submit it without the errors before merging it with families already on WeRelate. If the gedcom is very large, we’d suggest breaking it up into separate files (or families) and importing them one at a time, which makes the review and correction process easier. Click here to review your GEDCOM Once you have finished your review and marked your GEDCOM Ready to import, one of our administrators will review your GEDCOM and finalize the import. This usually happens within 24 hours. You will receive a message here when the pages have been created.
[add comment] [edit] Recent changes [8 June 2012]I have a little more information on the dutch side of my family but I'm still learning how We Relate works. In fact, I'm not even sure this is the proper way to communicate with you. I wasn't sure how to enter the name of my father. His real legal name was Stergos Georgiades but when he was 17 he just started using the name Robert instead and added a middle name of Stergos. He never legally changed it. Also, how do you handle actual names vs the names they went by? For instance, my great grandmother was known as Nellie. I had no idea her given name was Seligje Adriaantje. I have names for the rest of the family and some , but I'm guessing they are their "Americanized" versions.--Ogel45 13:34, 8 June 2012 (EDT)
[add comment] [edit] Paszkiet family I was trying to up date Peter Paul Paszkiet Paske children I am steve Paske Jr he is my grandfather [9 June 2012]--Spaske 16:02, 9 June 2012 (EDT) [add comment] [edit] Peter Paszkiet [9 June 2012]I have been trying to add no luck if you can correct it i have not been able to and thanks or tell be how i tryed the edit and add on on all sides did not work Steve Paske--Spaske 16:17, 9 June 2012 (EDT)
[add comment] [edit] Municipal reorganization in Ontario, Canada [16 June 2012]Thank you for correcting my Redirect errors. Believe it or not I have printed out the instructions for Editing Place Pages and had the page open in front of me at the time. I was wondering why they didn’t work. After that I started using “Tagging Places for Removal” instead. My interest is the province of Ontario, Canada, mainly three counties where there was a large municipal organization in 1974. The one in the middle, Durham, broke off its association with the one on the east, Northumberland, and joined up with Ontario County, the one on the west. In the reorganization, Ontario County was wiped off the map. Ontario County was previously made up of townships, each of which contained a few villages, towns and the occasional city. The Municipal Region of Durham has converted some of these townships to cities and combined townships in the more rural areas. I am now going through all the references for the places “contained in” and revising them. Having started the process in WR, I am now obtaining the information for the rest of the places in Excel and will transfer it to WR once I have all the data together. I put a question entitled “WeRelate standard of place names in 1900 versus Wikipedia articles” in Watercooler on 27 Apr 2012 which has raised a lot of discussion and a great deal of thought in my own mind. It would appear that a lot of long-time members of WR would like to revise this standard. I thought I would go with the 1900 rule until I started making a serious attempt at the Durham problem. Wikipedia’s articles on these townships, towns, cities, etc, all refer to the present, i.e. life in the 21st century. Discussion of the municipal structure before 1974 occurs under History, somewhat down the page where it can easily be missed by a WR user wanting a quick confirmation of some fact. Importing History from Wikipedia often runs the risk of importing superfluous facts (that quite often should not have been in Wikipedia in the first place.) On the other hand, if one wants to check sources, repositories will be using the old municipal structure. As a result I have decided to go with the up-to-date municipal organization and have built a template to place under Research Tips on each place page. The template guides the user to the provincial and federal repositories and to a website which is extemely helpful for background information. I would appreciate it if you could take a look at Place:Durham, Ontario, Canada; Place:Pickering, Durham, Ontario, Canada; and Place:Dunbarton, Pickering, Durham, Ontario, Canada (examples of revised place pages at different “contained in” levels) and see if there are further improvements I could make to them. Thank you for your time. --goldenoldie 10:10, 10 June 2012 (EDT)
--goldenoldie 02:51, 11 June 2012 (EDT)
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[add comment] [edit] FYI [18 June 2012]A place and/or the history of a place in Wikipedia is only useful when used for the wikipediaan looks as important. The users are often very young (60+ talks here ;-)). It is in EN:Wikipedia is not an end to all the places to take like organisms with lots of spiders. See my problem here Drenthe, Michigan The information on the site of the local church is often 10x better than Wikipedia. From wikipedia are only pieces to use and do not make the mistake of Copie-paste what I see here often. There is no time for maintenance and a link to wikipedia is just fine. In the wikipedia are too many mistakes, we should not take over this way. Hi This is just to thank you for your time and patience in getting me back on the right track last weekend. Since then I have
Eventually I would like to bring in traced maps (on which the features are considerably reduced in number compared to the original) into WR, but working on the Places comes first. There's another stint of family history to come as well <smile>. --goldenoldie 05:01, 16 June 2012 (EDT)
[add comment] [edit] Hattie Jousma [16 June 2012]OK, I paid my dues on this family now, and I still have some questions. Jennifer (and Henk and anyone else interested), could you please have a look at my remaining questions? --Pkeegstra 09:26, 16 June 2012 (EDT) [add comment] [edit] Minke Kornelis Raven [18 June 2012]Were the two husbands of Minke Kornelis Raven Pieters or Pietens? The commentary for her second marriage seems to call her first husband Pietens, contrary to the first marriage record. Let's use Minke's talk page for followup.... --Pkeegstra 07:34, 18 June 2012 (EDT) [add comment] [edit] Portal Layout ... beyond the basics? [22 June 2012]You helped me with how to add color to a portlet box ... Now, could I ask your help with two more things re Portal Layout? If you go to one of my sandbox pages ... you'll find my two questions in a blue font. 1. Is it possible to add a table to the main portlet box? 2. Is there a way to add portlets BELOW my volunteer table? Many thanks.--cowantex 11:01, 18 June 2012 (EDT)
[add comment] [edit] more spam on WeRelate [20 June 2012]User:Mqkdmqdkqm has posted spam on their talk page which I have deleted. --Susan Irish 02:04, 20 June 2012 (EDT)
[add comment] [edit] Numbers [6 July 2012]Moi Jennifer, All numbers on these pages can be removed?
And this ..MySource:Angeld/1861 Census? Speedy Delete? --Lidewij 17:05, 21 June 2012 (EDT)
Graag gedaan! Learning is good - and there are certainly a lot of pages that can use your detailed help :) Regarding fixing the MySource: 1.I would look at Angeld's contributions and notice they uploaded a GEDCOM in 2009 and have not returned to WeRelate. 2.Go to What links here for the 1861 MySource and click on the first person Alexander Stephen (1) 3.Edit Alexander's page to remove the UID and RIN numbers. Also change the MySource to Source and change the Title for the 1841, 1861, and 1881 Scotland censuses. So:
4.Save the page Also, if you are also interested in helping on Dutch pages, I added some suggestions on Portal:Netherlands (Nederland) under Hulp gevraagd. --Jennifer (JBS66) 08:12, 22 June 2012 (EDT)
Lidewij: On the page for Family:Robert Mowatt and Jane Gordon (1), I would not delete "M112546 from 1818 to 1854 0993310 Film 6902886", that is information saying which microfilm they found the record. The UID and RIN numbers can be removed because they are numbers that are specific to one person's genealogy software and are not helpful to the general population on WeRelate. You asked if you can create new village and hamlet pages - do you mean for the Netherlands? You certainly can, if they are for the Netherlands remember that we title place pages as they were around 1900 in the form Dorp, Gemeente, Provincie, Netherlands or Gehucht, Gemeente, Provincie, Netherlands (we do not do this: Gehucht, Dorp, Gemeente, Provincie, Netherlands). Pkeegstra: There do not appear to be standards detailed yet for Scotland census pages. Standards for the United States, Canada, England and Wales can be found at Help:Source_page_titles#Census_Records. --Jennifer (JBS66) 07:43, 23 June 2012 (EDT)
[add comment] [edit] Another Gender Transcription Error for Your Collection [1 July 2012]Transcriptions at both GENLIAS and AlleFriezen have Anske Kuiper (Ferwerderadeel 1882) as 'v', but the akte and the 1900 census have him as male. --Pkeegstra 07:42, 1 July 2012 (EDT)
[add comment] [edit] [1 July 2012]Ty:)--ElizabethBusch 15:44, 1 July 2012 (EDT) [add comment] [edit] Pieter Hooftman and Jacoba van Leeuwen [5 jul 2012]You send me a change-suggestion for Pieter and Jacoba which I agree. Jan Hooftma (26 sept.1816) is indeed the groom's father. This is the first time I did add a part of my family to this site, I was aware of my mistake but could not correct it. Thank you for helping me out. My best wishes to you IndeHof--IndeHof 01:12, 5 July 2012 (EDT) [add comment] [edit] Jan Hooftman [5 jul 2012]The information I added to Jan Hooftman is correct. He first was married to Geertrui Rosbergen and later to Alida van der Feer. You can cheque my information at: www.genlias.nl IndeHof--IndeHof 01:26, 5 July 2012 (EDT) [add comment] [edit] Jan Pietersz. Hooftman [5 jul 2012]Your suggestions are correct. Jan Pietersz. and death date 22 Jan. 1892, place= Sneek, Friesland,Netherlands.--IndeHof 01:34, 5 July 2012 (EDT) [add comment] [edit] Wilhelmina Johanna Ottolander [5 jul 2012]Facts and events are correct in the new version--IndeHof 01:40, 5 July 2012 (EDT) [add comment] [edit] Pieter Hooftman and Wilhelmina Johanna Ottolander [5 jul 2012]The data of the common version are correct--IndeHof 01:47, 5 July 2012 (EDT) [add comment] [edit] Wilhelmina Johanna Ottolander [5 jul 2012]The information I gave you about her is correct. You can find it on: www.genlias.nl--IndeHof 01:49, 5 July 2012 (EDT) [add comment] [edit] Pieter hooftman and Wilhelmina Johanna Ottolander [5 jul 2012]The information I gave you is correct.--IndeHof 01:52, 5 July 2012 (EDT) [add comment] [edit] Pieter Hooftman and Wilhelmina Johanna Ottolander [5 jul 2012]The common version is correct. Thank you for the reference source "Burgelijke Stand"--IndeHof 01:59, 5 July 2012 (EDT) [add comment] [edit] 1900 Rule and West Virginia [18 July 2012]I just searched for "1900 Rule" and got a lot of pages for persons surnamed Rule with links to the 1900 census (and one lengthy discussion between Amelia.Gerlicher and JRich). It would be nice if there were a page which compactly sets forth the 1900 rule which could be linked to, e.g. in a boilerplate paragraph for each of the counties of West Virginia explaining why they are set up the way they are. The motivation for this question is that I see a good third of the counties in West Virginia are defined twice. And it would be nice to have the aforementioned boilerplate paragraph to put at the top of the county page explaining why it is set up the way it is. Another issue I see is that a given place page is either "county" or "former county" so the same page can't show up as "county" in West Virginia and "former county" in Virginia. Has an enhancement request along those lines ever been formulated? (The real issue I wanted to address was whether the censuses for 1860 and before in the West Virginia counties use historical or 1900-compliant names, but it would be good to get the place pages in line first before we try to standardize that.) --Pkeegstra 15:46, 6 July 2012 (EDT) I've got a similar problem in Ontario (was Upper Canada till 1841, Canada West 1841-1967), so I shall be watching. --goldenoldie 09:13, 7 July 2012 (EDT)
I apologize for the delay in my response, I had a personal situation that caused me to be away from WeRelate for a few days. I see the problem you are referring to Pkeegstra. It appears this mostly stems from one user who either created duplicate place pages or titled places with County which does not follow our naming standards. Let me leave a message on his talk page and refer him to this conversation. --Jennifer (JBS66) 11:15, 10 July 2012 (EDT) Jennifer has asked me to respond to your observation regarding the "dual-naming" of counties in Virginia and West Virginia. The fact is that prior to 1863, many current counties in West Virginia did not exist, since the state also did not exist prior to that date. As they clearly fell into the state of Virginia (prior to that date), they certainly deserve to be listed as part of the State of Virginia, where they clearly had records as part of that state. They are listed as "Former Counties", which is supported by the naming convention on WeRelate. By merging both the Virginia and West Virginia pages, it would basically be denying their existence as part of the State of Virginia prior to 1863. Obviously, the "Virginia/West Virginia" situation is somewhat unique in the formation of counties, but those counties certainly (in my opinion) make a convincing argument for being listed as part of both states. Best regards, --Jim (Delijim)
I guess we can all compare our apples with other's oranges and reach whatever conclusion we want. I can't use Europe or Africa to justify whether Kanawha County was located in Virginia prior to 1863 and West Virginia after 1863. History supports that its formation was "authorized by the Virginia General Assembly on November 14, 1788 from parts of Greenbrier and Montgomery counties". To claim otherwise (and not treat it as part of the State of Virginia for 75 years) would be historically inaccurate. I don't believe that is too difficult to understand (or deal with on WeRelate), hence the "Former County" designation..... --Jim (Delijim) I agree with JRich. We've discussed this type of issue before in relation to other geographic areas, and the answer is the same. In a discussion on the Support page, Dallan said "The 1900 rule is so that we don't have multiple pages for the same place. It's ok to create a new page for a place if it no longer existed in 1900... It's a fuzzy rule, I know. The guiding principle is we want to create pages for places that appeared in records, but just one page per place, and without creating so many places that we just have a jumbled mess." In the case of Place:Kanawha County, Virginia, United States, this would definitely need to be renamed, because our place page titling guidelines specify that words like County are not added to page titles. With a place like Place:Barbour, West Virginia, United States, we are supposed to use the "Also located in" field to show where a place was before or after the year 1900, rather than creating a new page for it like Place:Barbour, Virginia, United States. --Jennifer (JBS66) 17:08, 10 July 2012 (EDT) One question regarding your comment. When a User clicks on the "Also located in" state (in this case "Virginia"), will they see Barbour County on the Virginia Page? If not, I'd submit that we're then practicing "revionist history". If by merging the "Barbour, Virginia" page with the "Barbour, West Virginia" page, if Barbour would no longer be shown on the Virginia page, we're saying that Barbour was never in Virginia, which is NOT correct, either historically or factually. Barbour is, as listed on the Virginia page a "Former County", is it not? --Jim (Delijim)
To move things to a bit more basic level, WeRelate is a collaborative environment, and in order for collaboration to happen, certain basic presuppositions need to be agreed to. I think for WeRelate there are three key presuppositions: dates, sources, and places. Place could have been set up to be a free text box different for every event. Then one couldn't be sure one could compare any two events. Instead WeRelate defines a unified place heierarchy, so every place has an unique page and location in the heierarchy. Since governments reorganize all the time, the only way to get a unified place heierarchy is to snapshot the world at a specific time, and WeRelate has chosen the year 1900. As a whole, the English speaking world does pretty well by that definition (but don't tell that to an Irishman). Especially in the 48 United States, the biggest single issue is West Virginia. But once the 1900 rule is specified, what to do with the 55 counties of West Virginia is well-defined. --Pkeegstra 20:06, 10 July 2012 (EDT) Ok, as long as the former Virginia (now West Virginia) Counties show on the Virginia page, I'm OK with merging them. The only reason I set up the pages in the first place is because at that time, they were not listed there.... --Jim (Delijim)
To address the original question that Pkeegstra posted, it seems we have a consensus that duplicate place pages for Virginia and West Virginia should be merged and those places with County in the title should be renamed. To provide an example for Jim's question about "also located in" places, see this page for the town of Aalsum in the Netherlands. This town is listed on the Oostdongeradeel page (which appears in the title) as well as Dongeradeel (which was the also located in place). I agree with Pkeegstra that it would be a good idea to suggest the Type field could be defined for also located in places. Pkeegstra, can you please add this to the Suggestions page? As for the topic that developed regarding the year 1900 and documenting places as they were at the time of the event... this has been argued about before. Beth, the Place pages can only be given one title. The rest of the information about what happened to that place over time can be documented on that one page. You can see where to obtain records before and after the "1900" date (which is only the date of the page title). If you want to show on a Person page the place as it was historically, you can use Jrich's advice, or use the pipe to show the historical name but link to a singular page for that place. Jrich, I fully understand your feelings about documenting historical places in fields other than the Place field. However, the system has been developed to allow historical places to be represented in the Place field using pipes. I know you don't like that but please understand that I really do not want this discussion to continue digressing into a back-and-forth about why pipes are horrible. --Jennifer (JBS66) 05:21, 11 July 2012 (EDT)
[add comment] [edit] Problems on specific pages (Ontario) [10 July 2012]Jennifer, Could I ask you to have a look at some questions I have put on the relevant "Talk" pages, please? Place talk:Humber Bay, Toronto, York, Ontario, Canada Place talk:Toronto, Peel, Ontario, Canada Place talk:Peel, Ontario, Canada and the big one: Place talk:Toronto, York, Ontario, Canada Many thanks --goldenoldie 09:10, 7 July 2012 (EDT) (Pat) I think our questions are slightly different. You are looking for consensus on which of the places presently listed as synonyms of Toronto actually had an independent existence in 1900 and thus deserve to be separate place pages. (I'll put my answer on the Toronto page.) It is crystal clear how the 1900 rule applies to the 55 counties of West Virginia, and my question is what is to be done about the nonconforming duplicate pages which place the counties in Virginia. A side question is whether there is enough of a chance to get the enhancement approved which would allow "also located in" lines to have different types, so that it would be worth holding off until that happens. --Pkeegstra 19:51, 9 July 2012 (EDT)
It appears that some of the above questions may have been resolved since you left this post. If I'm wrong, and something else needs to be addressed, please let me know. I will leave a message on the Toronto talk page regarding that issue. --Jennifer (JBS66) 11:44, 10 July 2012 (EDT) [add comment] [edit] Smelser Geneology [22 July 2012]MY mother was Elizabeth Smelser.Daughter of.Daniel Fay Smeltser..or not???There is great speculation ..contact me via E-mail..She passed on..1-18 -2010..She adored.Ileta Grellman.She.was so adamant on k.owing more of her roots.I'm the only one of her 5 children that is as interested.Did you know that there is a mountain passage in NV known as Smelser Pass???--Diane marie 10:36, 22 July 2012 (EDT) I also have information that is very odd..Very puzzling ..Ileta Grellman may be my mothers real mother,not her sister as we all believed ..Ileta cofifed some information to my mother that was sworn to secrecy ..--Diane marie 10:41, 22 July 2012 (EDT)
[add comment] [edit] [23 July 2012]I'm having trouble understanding how to connect two family togeather throutgh a living people. I have a lot of information on my conputer I would like to share with other people. I had stroke two years ago it harder to unstander how to do this.Please be patient with me. I have handwriting copy of family's birth and death record but done unstand how to put picture on.--Hauser 21:05, 22 July 2012 (EDT)
[add comment] [edit] Person talk [28 July 2012]Thanks for moving my item, to be perfectly honest I only spent about half an hour trying to figure out where I should put that comment, I don't find the structure here to be at all user friendly, but maybe that is because I haven't spent any time here. Again thanks to you and the other person who called my attention to the error of my ways.--Mashtali 22:08, 27 July 2012 (EDT) [add comment] [edit] Are these the same person? [9 August 2012]These two people (Lieutske/Luurtske Jacobs Bijlsma and Luurtske Jacobs Bijlsma) look suspiciously similar. One family cuts off exactly where the other starts. I would be grateful if you give me a hand trying to convince ourselves that it's the same person. Thanks, --Pkeegstra 10:04, 9 August 2012 (EDT) (Let's followup to Person talk:Lieutske Bijlsma (1).) [add comment] [edit] divorce [10 August 2012]Where is the line for me to enter details for divorce? Can't find it. I see that you changed Jennikjen Bakker's details of divorce on a family page. How can I enter details in a family page? The reference relating to the divorce is not visible, where can I write that? Thanks for your help! Beatrijs--Beatrijs 19:39, 9 August 2012 (EDT)
[add comment] [edit] sources [11 August 2012]Hi Jennifer, I am really confused how to record sources. I have been looking at the changes you made for for instance Rinske Hettema. Which of the geboorte source TRESOAR, GENLIAS, ALLE FRIEZEN are you using, or which one do I have to take? Is there a formula for graftombe.nl? I see the number 2021. Where is that number from and is that the number for graftombe? Do I have to go to the websites for birth, death and burial again in order to show the existence, even though I have done them all before and have given all akte nummers? I speak Dutch too if that is necessary. Kind regards from Anke--Beatrijs 18:55, 11 August 2012 (EDT) [add comment] [edit] Yet Another Gender Error [13 August 2012]This one they mistranscribed both the name and the gender of the death record. The last two letters of 'Johannes' are a bit light on the image, but you can sort of convince yourself they are 'es' and not 'a'. I knew to look here because my third cousin the genealogist has this date on RootsWeb as the death date of our triple great-grandfather. --Pkeegstra 20:41, 12 August 2012 (EDT)
[add comment] [edit] sources II [13 August 2012]Hi Jennifer, hope this is in the right spot now. I am really confused how to record sources. I have been looking at the changes you made for for instance Rinske Hettema. Which of the geboorte source TRESOAR, GENLIAS, ALLE FRIEZEN are you using, or which one do I have to take? Is there a formula for graftombe.nl? I see the number 2021. Where is that number from and is that the number for graftombe? Do I have to go to the websites for birth, death and burial again in order to show the existence, even though I have done them all before and have given all akte nummers? I speak Dutch too if that is necessary. Kind regards from Beatrijs--Beatrijs 22:30, 12 August 2012 (EDT)
[add comment] [edit] photo Catharina Boelens and her children. Uploaded 25-8-2012 [25 August 2012]I hope the upload was successful. I thank you once more for what I received or could find. Both my wife and my sister recognized Walterus Brouwers as "Brouwers" I myself saw at the very moment: Relationsighns-:This man is a relation!! Another thing was: Walterus visited our hometown 's-Hertogenbosch in 1953! My father heard about it, but didn't want to see him! He told my elder sister and brother, that they can met their grandfather if they want to. They want to do so, but when they came at the hotel they were told that he leaved the day before! They missed him! Of course the puzzle is not filled for us: It seemed to be he was a bigamist. He married in 1915 for the second time. From the passenger's list in 1927, he wife's name seemed to be Nina E.Derber, who died in 1974. In the passenger's list of 1953 he was widowed!?! Why gave he a wrong birthdate and a wrong name, so they couldn't find him anymore?? If you wish I have for you the official birthdocuments from his hometown His parents, grandparents etc. are the same as I found on your side. Confusion all there is. I hope there's more help for me. Wim Brouwers--Wimbrouwers 09:05, 25 August 2012 (EDT)
[add comment] [edit] [26 August 2012]Good morning Jennifer! Again an exiting hour: Opening your e-mail and the things that entered by the "Walterus Brouwers"page. Thanks for all your work! I have copy's of his birth and marriage papers! If you wish I send them. But for a better quality you go to the site of "stadsarchief 's-Hertogenbosch" Wishing you a futher good weekend. Wim Brouwers--Wimbrouwers 03:55, 26 August 2012 (EDT) [add comment] [edit] Van Der Leij family tree [3 September 2012]Hello Jennifer I have had an email out of the blue from an art historian in Stiens, looking for information on Dr Rienks van der Leij. Since then the conversations have revealed much and photos identified. She sent me a few scanned pages from a publication entitled: "HET GESLACHT VAN DER LEIJ en enkelel mededeelingen, die er mee annex zijn, vezameld door SJ Hoogland, rustend landbouwer te Leeuwarden".The man who has this book wants to send it to me. My Dutch is not great but this is what I have picked up. Jan Annes van der Leij's eldest son was Rienk Jans christened 20 Nov 1768 Hijum, Diploma Genees- en Heelkunde 7 Oct 1791, vestig te Marrum. Death notice in by his wife 2 Juni 1856 to Liewe Vroue Parochie and gravestone in the cemetary. Death notice of his wife, Bottje Allerts Bekius (spelling variation) in Leeuwarden Courant 26 Sept 1868. They had 5 sons and a daughter born in Vroue Parochie: eldest Rienk b 26 Jan 1814, Grietjie b 20 Nov 1815, Allert 7 May 1817, Daam 4 Nov 1819, Cornelis b 12 June 1822, Johannes b 10 Feb 1827. I don't want to tamper with the wiki but these names appear with different dates attached to someone else. The eldest son Rienk also practised medicine(like his father, grandfather and great grandfather according to the book). He received a Z.Ed 1 June 1835 te Leeuwarden and settled in Hallum, married Geertje Sijbrens Boersma on 25 June 1835. Geertje was the daughter of Sijbren Hoites Boersma and Trintje Alefs Oivier, landbouer te Hallum. Rienk practised medicine for a year and then went into poilitics(staatkunde)and in Sept 1850-1876 was Lid der Staten Friesland. This led to Lid van der Gedeputeerde Staten 27 Sept 1850-1 June 1853. Then from 7 Nov 1852-1 July 1869 he was Heelmeester-Burgemeester van Ferwerderadeel. Kind regards. Jenny van der Leij--Jvdleij 02:39, 27 August 2012 (EDT) Hello Jenny, thank you for your message. I reviewed this family again, and I believe the information that is on WeRelate is correct. In your first paragraph you said: "Jan Annes van der Leij's eldest son was Rienk Jans christened 20 Nov 1768 Hijum, Diploma Genees- en Heelkunde 7 Oct 1791, vestig te Marrum. Death notice in by his wife 2 Juni 1856 to Liewe Vroue Parochie and gravestone in the cemetary. Death notice of his wife, Bottje Allerts Bekius (spelling variation) in Leeuwarden Courant 26 Sept 1868." There may be a mixup in generations here, because Rienk Jans van der Leij (1768-1846) died in 1846. It was his son Jan Rienks van der Leij (1792-1856) who died in 1856 and was married to Bottje Allerds Bekius. Their family page has Rienk, Allert, and Johannes listed - which correctly belong to this family. Grietje, Daam, and Cornelis have not been added to WeRelate yet. One of the great things about WeRelate is the ability to work collaboratively on the same Person/Family pages. Please don't feel that you'd be tampering with anything :) You are welcome to add additional information. Since the birth, marriage, and death data that appears in that book can be verified with primary documentation, it would be preferable for you to use the Burgerlijke Stand sources available at http://www.allefriezen.nl, http://www.genlias.nl, http://www.tresoar.nl/, etc when citing your data. You can see examples of this in the references section on Rienk's page. If you have any questions, please feel free to post here - or if the question is about a particular person/family, post on that person's talk page. --Jennifer (JBS66) 08:23, 27 August 2012 (EDT) I think that the first wife of Daam Beerts Gelder (1797) was Dieuwke Sjoukes Wierda, but I'm having trouble proving it. I don't see any marriage record, and her death record doesn't list his name. (I'm putting this here since Daam Gelder is the mother-in law of Rienk Jans van der Leij.) --Pkeegstra 09:47, 27 August 2012 (EDT)
Thanks, Jennifer. I get totally confused with the Rienk Jans and Jan Rienks - there are too many of them. I also was not sure how accurate the booklet of van der Leij information was. I will stick to WeRelate. I also have information on the Iest family as a result of the family connection but will first study the tree before I add anything. I have plenty of (Now identified) Iest and van der Leij family photos which I will upload when I get home again. Kind regards, Jenny van der Leij--Jvdleij 12:28, 27 August 2012 (EDT) Hi Jennifer, I have tried to add Edzard Johan Modderman as a child of Sjoukje van der Leij who married Berend Moddermann. I was sent a marriage certificate from Genlias. He married Johanna Emmy Clara Callenfels on 12 Aug 1931. Source Noord-Hollans Archief Huwelijksakte Aktenummer reg 7D fol 36. His sister was Tjitske Elisabeth Modderman who married Jan Cornelis Tiele same source, but reg 6 fol 21v on 27 -01-1927. She is listed as a child but not Edzard. I don't know what I am doing wrong.--Jvdleij 10:18, 3 September 2012 (EDT)
[add comment] [edit] Talsma Birthplace Inconsistency [1 sep 2012]Thanks for catching that discrepancy between the birthplace in the marriage and birth records. It's bad enough that that family can't decide whether it's Tolsma or Talsma, not to add an additional level of confusion on top of that by switching between Minnertsga, Barradeel and Lemster, Lemsterland. (For the use of both spellings, see the death certificate for Rence Talsma my great-grandmother's first husband, which has his name as "Talsma" and both his parents' names as "Tolsma".) --Pkeegstra 15:15, 1 September 2012 (EDT) I think the major problem was, that people coud'nt read or/and write. The way Talsma en Tolsma pronaunced in Frysian is allmost alike. And what about the next example. http://www.werelate.org/wiki/Person:Imkje_Snip_%281%29
[add comment] [edit] patronyms [3 September 2012]Friesland: Namen met patronymes gaan tot 1850, daarna worden geen patronyms meer gebruikt.--Beatrijs 17:21, 3 September 2012 (EDT)
[add comment] [edit] blad, of akte [3 September 2012]Wanneer wordt er blad gebruikt en wanneer akte? Wanneer ik akte schrijf wordt het veranderd in blad, wanneer ik blad schrijf wordt het veranderd in akte. Soms wordt het niet veranderd. Kan iemand dat uitleggen a.u.b.? Hartelijk dank--Beatrijs 17:40, 3 September 2012 (EDT)
[add comment] [edit] genlias and patronymes [3 September 2012]Hi Jennifer, coming back to the topic of patronymes (I don't know how I can answer that topic directly) The rules are not always followed by the volunteers. The official rule is that as from 1850 no patronymes will be used anymore. Some familymembers have added patronymes to see the different forefather's name, because many sons received the same name. i.e. Klaas, Gerrit or Douwe etc.
I noticed that in the template the letter "Y" is written automatically. What does that letter stand for? Thanks for your help Jennifer!--Beatrijs 18:29, 3 September 2012 (EDT)
[add comment] [edit] add comment + edit [4 September 2012]Hi Jennifer, I just cannot reply directly to the topic. There is no "add comment" to be found. If I click "edit" I see the very first topic of January. It writes on the bottom of the page "error on page" Sorry to bother you with this, but I am trying to answer you for the last quarter of an hour - no result.--Beatrijs 19:56, 3 September 2012 (EDT)
[add comment] [edit] Nicolai: Which is the Actual Wedding? [7 September 2012]For Roel Klazes and Tjitske Rintjes, something happened in Wirdum on 13 May ("Attestatie"), and something happened in Goutum on 20 May ("Bevestiging"). Which one was the actual wedding? (I was skeptical that Google Translate would give me a reliable answer.) --Pkeegstra 07:52, 7 September 2012 (EDT)
[add comment] [edit] koppeling van huwelijk [7 September 2012]Hi Jennifer, how can I join a separate indexed marriage to the original person? See Trijntje Beerts Gelder: 1st spouse Jan Jacobs Smit, 25.5.1816, 1 child: Jeltje Jans Smit 2nd spouse Hendrik Jans Verhaag, 8.12.1830, 2 children: Jan and Beert At the moment they are seperately indexed. Thanks Jennifer, Beatrijs--Beatrijs 18:34, 7 September 2012 (EDT)
[add comment] [edit] Thanks [10 September 2012]Thanks for the edit. After awhile, everything looks the same. rsopdyke--Opster 14:10, 10 September 2012 (EDT) [add comment] [edit] Strange Possible Duplicate [12 September 2012]The couples Family:Harmen de Vries and Wytske Mulder (1) and Family:Harmen De Vries and Wijtske Mulder (1) look a lot alike. I think they are duplicates, and for some reason for his 1824 child Marten, the name of Harmen Martens de Vries was recorded using the name of his maternal grandfather Sipke instead of his father's name Marten. (The discrepancy is present in the image.) --Pkeegstra 17:36, 12 September 2012 (EDT)
[add comment] [edit] McKENZIE >> McKenzie [23 September 2012]Best Jennifer, you might want to clean up my mess. I wanted the name McKENZIE >> McKenzie to rename, and I thought I was the new name correctly filled out, but unfortunately I had not looked. Sorry and regards, Lidewij 05:18, 16 September 2012 (EDT)
Jennifer, I had not my day. I see I forgot the link.
double redirection
Hi Lidewij, I looked at the page for Person:Minnie McKenzie (6) and everything appears to be working fine. The double-redirect is not a problem here because all of the related links (spouse page, family page, etc) point to the correct Person:Minnie McKenzie (6) page. --Jennifer (JBS66) 14:29, 23 September 2012 (EDT) [add comment] [edit] Jan Annes [24 September 2012]Hello Jennifer. I have a research booklet that says Jan Annes (christened 25 Dec 1746 and died 6 June 1811) married Dieuwke Murks, daughter of Murk Rienks and Hilte Gerrits on 16 March 1766. She died on 3 Jan 1781. He was the first to have taken the surname Van der Leij. They had 10 children. He then remarried Lijsbeth Johannes (Leistra), daughter of Johannes Haijes and Minke Heins, on 22 July 1781. She died 5 March 1842 in Hallum. They had 11 children. Jan Annes is said to have had 21 children in Hijum, Finkum, Oude Leije, Vrouwen Parochie. This Jan Annes is the son of Anne Jacobs. Anne Jacobs christened 11 Jan 1711 in Finkum, first married Lijsbeth Tjipkes of Stiens on 18 Feb 1725. They had no children. His second wife was Foekje Alberts, christened 6 Feb 1718 in Finkum. She was the daughter of Albert Jans nd Aattje Pijbes. Annes Jacobs apparently adopted a surname - Balkeindstra because on his marriage certificate and at christening of his children he is know as Anne Jacobs Balkeindstra. He must have died before 1766 because Foekje remarried Rienk Jans chirigin op de Leije on 19 Jan 1766. They had no children.Annes Jacobs and Foekje Alberts had 8 children, one of which was Jan Annes chirstened 25 Dec 1746 and who died 6 June 1811. Anne Jacobs christened 1711 was the son of Jacob Annes of Finkland who married Wijpck Willems, daughter of Willem Thijssen en Riemke Gerbens on 28 July 1671 in Finkum. They also had a daughter called Wijpck (christened 2 Aug 1714) who married Roelof Claasses fro, allum on 15 may 1740. Their children took the surname Lettinga. I hope this helps to add to the tree. Regards, Jenny van der Leij--Jvdleij 07:51, 23 September 2012 (EDT)
Hello Jennifer. Because of our unusual names and surnames, we were traced by relatives of the Iest side of the family in Stiens and Den Haag. A Mr PK van Boven from Den Haag who has plenty of information on the Iests and who has helped put names to many of the photos that I have, sent me the booklet. It is entintled "Het Geslacht Van Der Leij en enkele mededeelingen, die er mee annex zijn, vezameld door S.J. Hoogland, rustend landbouwer te Leeuwarden. There are no publishing details. Perhaps I could send you a copy of it as I doubt that it will infringe copyright. I will need an email or physical address for you. Regards, Jenny van der Leij--Jvdleij 03:12, 24 September 2012 (EDT) [add comment] [edit] family Douwe Jans Faber and Geertje Hendriks Laskewitz [1 October 2012]Hi Jennifer, I noticed that the children are edited twice in this family. As I am not sure how to go about merging, or deleting, can you please help sorting this out? Thanks! Kind regards, Beatrijs--Beatrijs 00:57, 29 September 2012 (EDT)
Thanks so much for your help Jennifer. I saw the help pages but was too insure to go ahead with the merging, afraid of making mistakes. I will have another look at those pages separately. In the meantime thanks very much for your offer of merging :-)--Beatrijs 16:38, 1 October 2012 (EDT) [add comment] [edit] Recent Watercooler discussion [1 October 2012]Jennifer Thanks for your kudos on the Ontario pages. Thought you would like to know that I have only one more county to do to complete a first round of southern Ontario. (There are some counties that were done first which I want to check out again. It took a while to get into a "scheme".) I don't have a mouse that is responsive to anything but straightforward scrolling. I draw a lot of maps (a pair were used in Wellington County--there may be more someday) and need a golfball for that kind of work. --goldenoldie 11:22, 1 October 2012 (EDT)
[add comment] [edit] Merging the two Jan Annes? [6 October 2012]Given the text from the research booklet, are we convinced that the two Jan Annes (van der Leij) are the same person? (Here and here.) If so, I can do the merge this weekend. Tracking down all 21 children will probably take a bit longer. --Pkeegstra 16:13, 5 October 2012 (EDT)
[add comment] [edit] van Driezum and van Driesum [6 October 2012]Hi Jennifer, I noticed that one and the same person has been modified twice on 31.1.2010. One under Pieter Johannes van Driezum spouse Trijntje Kalma and one under Pieter Johannes van Driesum spouse Trijntje Kalma. There will be children involved as well! I am not sure of how to fix that and leave it up to the expert - you :-) Kind regards..--Beatrijs 00:10, 6 October 2012 (EDT) [add comment] [edit] Hinderik Vennema (Fennema) en Hendrik Fennema [16 October 2012]Hi Jenny, Hinderik Fennema (1816)(see also Hinderik Vennema) is the same man as Hendrik Fennema (1816). As both are indexed with different spouses, I would kindly ask you to have a look at how to merge the 2 men into 1 man. Hendrik Fennema 27.1.1816 ouders Jan Gerrits Fennema en Saakje Alberts de Vries is the right son and he married 1) Yke Pieters Ferwerda 20.8.1842 and 2) Hendrikje Lammerts Steen on 17.2.1849. Kind regards...--Beatrijs 06:04, 6 October 2012 (EDT)
Thanks very much Jennifer!!--Beatrijs 00:51, 16 October 2012 (EDT) [add comment] [edit] Pieter Sijbren van der Leij [14 October 2012]Hello Jennifer, I typed Pieter Sibren van der Leij into Google and got a one line PDF document that said Pieter Sybren van der Leij born Sneek Friesland 31-11-1876 and died in De Aar South Africa on 29-12-1940. I don't know the author of this but the birthdate, except for the month, ties up with the date of our great-uncle. My mother's family quite by chance come from De Aar and will ask one of the cousins to find out what he can for me. I have an idea that Pieter was a school teacher which might explain why he came to be in De Aar, a long way from Pretoria where I know he lived at some time. Regards, Jenny van der Leij--Jvdleij 03:16, 14 October 2012 (EDT) [add comment] [edit] One Wife or Two for Hein Tjitzes Steenstra? [16 October 2012]I had convinced myself that Durkje and Baukje were two separate people. But in his overlijden record the only wife named is Durkje. And the Memories van Successie don't mention anything about the children not all having the same mother. And of course the other curious thing is that Durkje and Maaike, who consistently name different mothers, seem to have the same birth year if not birth years in the wrong order. Any ideas? (It would be the obvious next step, but alas I had no luck finding birth records for any of the children at TRESOAR. --Pkeegstra 20:36, 15 October 2012 (EDT)
see the remarks I made on the talk pages they are different persons as Jennifer"said Durkje must have died bef 1795 --henk 07:49, 16 October 2012 (EDT) [add comment] [edit] Durkje Heins Stienstra [16 October 2012]Hi Jennifer, since she is born in abt 1797, I think she should be mentioned under the second marriage of Hein Tjitses Stienstra, can you please follow up? Thank you kindly..--Beatrijs 18:39, 16 October 2012 (EDT)
[add comment] [edit] Contest [26 October 2012]Hi, I got your message about the contest. I am so swamped at work today but i will get back to you on Monday and start organizing the PR for the contest. Thanks! Catherine --cthrnvl 15:23, 26 October 2012 (EDT) [add comment] [edit] Indonesia [27 October 2012]Hi, I added Help talk:NLHelpIndonesië User:Lidewij has checked some Indonesian places and she found that there are a lot of mistakes. Is there a moderator for Indonesia or can she change the places into the agreed names?--Henk 12:17, 27 October 2012 (EDT)
she wants to fix it to the proper standards and names, etc. I myself checked the place Padang, found doubles and f.i Place talk:Tapanuli Selatan Padang Sidempuan, Sumatera Utara, Indonesia--Henk 12:29, 27 October 2012 (EDT) a lot of them are not filled, etc. BTW it looks if only Klaas, me, myself and I are contributing Indonesian places on WR --Henk 12:37, 27 October 2012 (EDT)
Done :-) --Henk 12:48, 27 October 2012 (EDT) [add comment] [edit] [27 October 2012]sure how can i refuse when someone wants my signature, you want a photo too? --henk 13:49, 27 October 2012 (EDT) [add comment] [edit] Grace Van Laar [29 October 2012]Jennifer, Thank you so much for finally resolving Grace Van Laar. I tried a couple times to find her in the familysearch images, but I never thought to look in Zwolle (and I only ever looked for the name Grietje), so I always ended up giving up. --Pkeegstra 08:17, 29 October 2012 (EDT)
[add comment] [edit] Penelope Prince / Kent Merges [31 October 2012]I've been asked to undo the merges I did early this morning involving Penelope Prince and Kent (Person:Penelope Prince (2). But it looks like you've made a subsequent merge or something. So I don't know what to do now. Please advise. Thanks. Jillaine 17:03, 30 October 2012 (EDT)
[add comment] [edit] changing pages [2 November 2012]Hi Jennifer, today I like to ask you to have a look at the page of Pieter (Hendriks) Fennema, which has been revised by kdrost. It is my understanding that we do not have to repeat the whole Geboorte or Overlijdens akte on the page itself, as the source of where to look has been given, either in Tresoar or in Alle Friezen or wherever else.You gave me in the very beginning guidelines about how and what to fill in on the pages, so if these are new rules, then please let me know. Also if the name is definitely Pieter Fennema on all the certificates as also on the tombstone, why has that to be changed in Pieter Hendriks Fennema (after 1850 not neccesary anymore, if not evidently mentioned). Sorry to bother you with these questions, but as I have contributed to a lot of pages, I wonder if all these pages have to be changed, the way kdrost have been changing my pages. My English might not be the best, but I hope that you understand my questions. Kind regards!--Beatrijs 22:52, 31 October 2012 (EDT)
Sorry Pkeegstra, I don't exactly know by what you mean with referring back to an image. If there is a page with individuals then the name, date of birth and of deatch is already indicated on that page. I only use the original scan of allefriezen, which is the primary source.--Beatrijs 07:37, 1 November 2012 (EDT) If there is no scan available then I indicate where I viewed the data, like Tresoar, or BHIC. Hi Beatrijs, your English is great, and I do understand your questions :-) There are not new rules for entering data. Some users have different styles/preferences of adding information. Pkeegstra (as mentioned above) prefers to add some additional details from the allefriezen scan. Krost prefers to add the text from the Tresoar index. As long as the link to the Burgerlijke Stand Source page, the akte/blad nr. are present, there is some leeway for users' individual preferences. I have never heard of a Dutch 1850 rule that people no longer used patronymic names. I know that we spoke before that if the patronymic name was not used in official documents, then it would not be added to their page here on WR. If you would like, you could bring this up as a discussion on the WeRelate talk:Nederlands Discussieforum page to gather thoughts from other WR users. --Jennifer (JBS66) 13:28, 1 November 2012 (EDT) Hallo Beatrijs ik heb op [|Patroniemen] hier een discussieonderwerp voor gemaakt, en zou het leuk vinden als jij daar ook je mening geeft ;-) Trouwens jouw engels is uitstekend. Jennifer How do I reach the other "dutch" users, so that they know there is a topic? --henk 08:38, 2 November 2012 (EDT)
Hi Jennifer,thank you very much for your input! In the meantime I have been registered at the Tresoar Forum in Leeuwarden, and will ask them about the patroniem issue. When I started Dutch genealogy in 1994(living in Australia) I was adviced by several genealogists in the Netherlands about the starting date of giving surnames to the first names + patronymes, i.e. 1811 and that the next deadline was 1850 to eliminate the patronymes. I guess they had to start somewhere, otherwise every Friesian would still have their patronymes today! All my forefathers are Friesian: Fennema + Hettema, etc. I will ask today in the Tresoar Forum if this rule was made official at one stage and will write in your new Dutch topic list. Thank you for your time and help! Kind regards,--Beatrijs 15:53, 2 November 2012 (EDT) [add comment] [edit] Standard for peerage titles [3 November 2012]Hi, Jennifer -- thanks for calling that discussion to my attention. I hadn't said as much (not wanting to pick on someone specifically), but Jrm created most of the pages I have an issue with, mostly back in 2010 or earlier, and mostly hasn't corrected or changed any of them since. As I said, his page titles often don't follow the standard -- but no one seems annoyed by it (except me . . .), so I was hesitating to start making wholesale changes. --MikeTalk 08:43, 3 November 2012 (EDT)
[add comment] [edit] Nieuw Discussieforum [3 November 2012]This message is for all of the Dutch users (and those interested in Dutch research) who are watching my talk page. There is a new Nederlands Discussieforum page. I'm asking Dutch users to please take a moment to visit the Nederlands Discussieforum and click on the "Watch" link on that page. The discussieforum will enable us to interact more cohesively as a community. This page is a place to voice your opinions about newly proposed site policies, request site improvements, learn about volunteer opportunities, etc - in Dutch! This page has great potential, but will need your help to grow. Please Watch the page and add your voice to this growing community :-) Thank you to those who have already contributed! Bedankt en met vriendelijke groet, --Jennifer (JBS66) 08:59, 3 November 2012 (EDT) [add comment] [edit] Duplicate sources [4 November 2012]Hi Jennifer, A new user has created a large number of duplicate sources using "my source" ie federal census records and family histories. Should I just delete them or is there a protocol to follow? --Susan Irish 15:38, 4 November 2012 (EST)
[add comment] [edit] Missing parents [5 November 2012]Jennifer, I have noticed that when somebody is married twice the parents at the firsdt marriage is not mentioned. Example is Jan Tjebbes Sinnema and Sjoukje Aans Algra. Is this a bug in the system or do I do something wrong?--BenS 11:12, 5 November 2012 (EST)
//Thanks, I tried and it works.--BenS 17:25, 5 November 2012 (EST) [add comment] [edit] Question on a place page [5 November 2012]Jennifer I wonder if you would be kind enough to answer a question posed on Place talk:Plymouth Colony, Kingdom of England. Many thanks --goldenoldie 17:46, 5 November 2012 (EST) [add comment] [edit] Revision as of 02:53, 9 October 2012 [18 November 2012]Look, I haven't learned how to use WeRelate but this person George is NOT living. If you delete the page I will be very unhappy.--Mmcmanness 12:13, 9 November 2012 (EST)
[add comment] [edit] Johanna Stelwagen [18 November 2012]Dear Jennifer, I have the following issue: Geboren 10.3.1787 Joanna - gestandariseerd: Johanna Haar vader is Bauke Stelwagen. Ze zou dus de naam Johanna Baukes Stelwagen kunnen hebben. Op alle Friezen heb ik alle dokumenten, i.e. scans nagekeken. Nergens heb ik gezien dat zij Johanna Jacobs genoemd wordt, haar vader heet niet Jacob, maar Bauke Stelwagen. In 1821 wordt voor de eerste keer haar naam Johanna Jacoba genoemd. Daarna nog een paar keren en dan afwisselend met Johanna Stelwagen. Ik laat het aan jou over wat je wilt doen met haar naam. In mijn eigen gegevens heb ik haar onder Johanna Stelwagen staan. Hartelijke groeten van Beatrijs--Beatrijs 21:28, 17 November 2012 (EST) Sorry about the Dutch language, next time in English again, promise :-)
Hallo Henk, mijn Hollands is ook niet meer zo goed, ben al weg uit Holland sinds 1969. Je bent van harte welkom mijn fouten te verbeteren :-)--Beatrijs 04:37, 18 November 2012 (EST) Wow, dan schrijf je nog uitstekend Nederlands, maar je maakt 1 hele grote fout je bent niet weg uit Holland, maar uit Nederland :-) Holland is maar een provincie en dat ligt heel gevoelig bij ons Noorderlingen ;-)--henk 05:22, 18 November 2012 (EST) Dat is grappig Henk: sinds jaren probeer ik de mensen in Australie te vertellen dat ik uit Noord-Holland kom, een van de provincies van Nederland. Dan krijg ik meestal als antwoord: Ja ik dacht wel dat je uit Holland komt, je hebt nog steeds een accent. Nu gebruik ik in de engelse taal: ik kom van The Netherlands, dan komt de vraag, waar ligt dat land? Oh, je bdoelt Holland? That's why I gave up and I now come from Holland :') Have a nice evening Henk, regards,--Beatrijs 05:56, 18 November 2012 (EST) Hi Jennifer, de nederlandse taal is niet gemakkelijk en ik vind het wel een hele prestatie dat je die taal onder de knie wilt krijgen. Hartelijke groeten van ---Beatrijs 15:58, 18 November 2012 (EST) [add comment] [edit] Steenhuis - Swart in Groningen [18 November 2012]When I checked my database for Swart, I found the couple listed here: I have a couple of other Swart's who lived in Noord Holland, but I thought this couple may be more important to you, knowing that one other Steenhuis couple in my database married in Friesland and then moved to Groningen. --Enno 17:13, 18 November 2012 (EST) [add comment] [edit] Antje Andries Hettema [19 November 2012]Hello Jennifer, volgend probleem: in 2010 ben je 2x begonnen Antje Andries Hettema geboren 26.10.1804 aan te leggen. Hoe kan dat verbeterd worden, aangezien er ook bij beiden kinderen zijn aangegeven? Kan je dat voor mij uitleggen zodat ik dat volgende keer zelf kan oplossen? Hartelijke groeten van--Beatrijs 20:26, 18 November 2012 (EST)
[add comment] [edit] Manifest for Harm van Dam and Fenna de Maar [28 November 2012]Jennifer, It looks like the children of Fenna de Maar show up as children of Harm van Dam after they both emigrate in 1867. It is also curious that Harm is listed on the emigrant record as married when no marriage records for him or Fenna are to be found. So Henk and I were curious how Harm and Fenna show up, if at all, in the manifest for their voyage, so I thought of you as the one with the best luck finding manifests. Fenna had two sons, Jan (1863) and Johannes (1867) which I haven't added to WR yet. We think Jan is John van Dam in the 1870 census. --Pkeegstra 06:50, 28 November 2012 (EST)
Also, there is a new user working in the New Amsterdam area who was wondering about reference numbers and why the consensus is that they need not be retained. Do you recall which talk page had the lengthy discussion on that? --Pkeegstra 06:53, 28 November 2012 (EST)
[add comment] [edit] Thanks for finishing the mergers [2 December 2012]Thank you Jennifer for finishing the merger of Person:Hendrickje Van Sutphen (2) I knew I had it to do but was getting tired and was afraid I would make even more mistakes and thought that I would finish it this morning. I do appreciate all the help that you have given me.--Renee Dauven 11:57, 2 December 2012 (EST)
Jennifer, don't know what to tell you. I don't have the documentation at this point to prove otherwise. If the birthdate is correct, Lourens looks he belongs to the previous generation as a brother to Benjamin. Benjamin's mother appears to have married, as a late, second wife, to Jan/John Emans/Emmons, the immigrant. I am currently working on documenting his family and hope to pick up on Engeltie's as I do so. So my instinct would be to leave it as it is since I don't have the documentation to prove otherwise. Changing it would just give us the same situation, i.e. an undocumented individual in an undocumented family. Perhaps in the meantime, some one who does know the family will show up to help us. What do you think?--Renee Dauven 13:09, 2 December 2012 (EST) might this be of some use? :[[2]]--henk 13:58, 2 December 2012 (EST)
can you read this? : [3]
it is I reorganized it a little ;-) Thanks for the link, Henk. I hadn't found that source yet. I was able to download it and have been studying it. For my druthers...I think that if I were using it as a soure on WR, it would rate it at "questionable quality"...if I remembered to check the box in the first place. The reason that I say that is this: in the first generation, I'm not so sure that child no. 6, Angelica, even existed. But that is about as far as my knowledge of the family extends at this point. So Jennifer, I think the idea of using the various family/individual related talk pages to perhaps drum up some conversation, before any action is taken, is a good one.--Renee Dauven 14:43, 2 December 2012 (EST) [add comment] [edit] 1847 Groninger emigrants [2 December 2012]Hi, can you take a look at 1847 Groninger Emigranten, do I do this the right way? --henk 12:03, 2 December 2012 (EST)
sub page or sub article?henk
[add comment] [edit] [4 December 2012]I think, it is workable now, what's your opinion? Groninger Emigranten, --henk 08:53, 4 December 2012 (EST) [add comment] [edit] merging Fredrik with same name Fredrik Sterkenburg [7 December 2012]Hi Jennifer, please help me with the merging of Fredrik Sterkenburg, I tried it but it did not want to work out as planned by me :-) He married twice and has several children. I don't want to mess it up further. Thank you kindly...--Beatrijs 17:28, 6 December 2012 (EST)
Thanks so much Jennifer. I tried to merge the 2 Fredriks into one by clicking on "compare", but it said "name not found". I guess I have to learn still a lot!..--Beatrijs 19:05, 6 December 2012 (EST) [add comment] [edit] Gedcom Walraven [7 December 2012]Jennifer, I think my gedcom file, added on the 6th of December got lost. Can you release the update? Thanks in advance. --BenS 06:24, 7 December 2012 (EST)
[add comment] [edit] Andries Miedema [14 December 2012]Hi Jennifer, I really don't know how to eliminate/or join Andries Miedema and Japke Piebes Faber who appear as a separate couple. Andries married twice as correctly indexed, but somehow this second marriage with Japke is showing separately. Please help :-)--Beatrijs 22:00, 13 December 2012 (EST) This message appears a few times, no idea why, sorry!
Thank you very much Klaas!!--Beatrijs 02:00, 14 December 2012 (EST)
[add comment] [edit] Two Bevestiging Records [19 December 2012]Jennifer, I found two bevestiging records a week apart for Pieter Wybes and Wytske Jochums. Any idea which one, if any, corresponds to the actual wedding? Could they have been married twice? --Pkeegstra 12:07, 18 December 2012 (EST)
Is "bevestiging" the same as banns? If so, it was customary in many locations for the banns to be published three times before the couple could marry. Could that be what is happening?--Renee Dauven 13:42, 18 December 2012 (EST)
[add comment] [edit] hemond picture [20 December 2012]Hi jen...how r u? Hoping u remember me...im angela...paul hemonds grsnddaughter. I was Wondering where u got that picture of the hemond family kids? I would love a copy of it. My new email address is noonie_0016@yahoo.com if u want to chst. Hope all is eell. Angela--Ange91678 16:13, 20 December 2012 (EST) [add comment] [edit] Kramer Family [22 December 2012]Hi Jennifer, You were very kind to help me with some information on my husbands tree some time ago. We are now trying to locate the sister of my husbands father. A cousin in Holland has also done some resesrch for us and the following information is what we received from him:- Hi Pat, I asked Richard to confirm that Robert Courtemanche is the son of Wilhelmina Kramer. He gave me his source. Zie below. Groetjes, Rien Il est d'après le registre de soeur Jeannette Courtemanche, généalogiste et religieuse, le fils de Noël Aimé Courtemanche et Wilhelmina Kramer Source : Complément aux mariages Courtemanche, 2e volume, 2e éditions en page 82, 6e avant dernier nom inscrit Dépôt Légal ISBN 2-9806707-4-X Bibliothèque Nationale du Québec Bibliothèque Nationale du Canada Septembre 2002 Nous n'avons pas d'autres information au sujet de ce Robert, désolé Voici les parents et enfants du père de Noël Aimé Courtemanche COURTEMANCHE, Hormidas Signe peut-être PARENTS COURTEMANCHE, Jean-Baptiste DAVIGNON, Anastasie Filiation : Enfant légitime EVENEMENTS PERSONNELS UNIONS Famille 1 (mariage) FORAND, Bernadette Mariage : 6.11.1918 - Paroisse Notre-Dame de Granby (Shefford) au Québec Canada ENFANTS De l'union avec FORAND, Bernadette COURTEMANCHE, Noël Aimé Naissance : 25.12.1918 Mariage religieux : 11.8.1941 - Paroisse Saint-Eugène de Granby (Shefford) au Québec Canada avec MOISAN, Marguerite Mariage religieux : 12.2.1946 - Paroisse Saint-François-d'Assise de Haaksbergen en Hollande avec == KRAMER, Wilhelmina (1910-)(3 enfants) ==COURTEMANCHE, Armand Naissance : 1920 Mariage : 10.1.1948 - Paroisse Notre-Dame de Granby (Shefford) au Québec Canada avec CHOQUETTE, Gertrude(1921-1997) Décès : 4.11.1996 (76 ans) - Granby (Shefford) au Québec Canada (12 enfants) COURTEMANCHE, Claire Naissance : 1922 Mariage : 11.7.1949 - Paroisse Saint-Benoît de Granby (Shefford) au Québec Canada avec RACINE, Gilles (1921-2005) Décès : 23.12.1997 (75 ans) - Granby (Shefford) au Québec Canada (3 enfants) COURTEMANCHE, Gérard Mariage : 7.8.1948 - Paroisse Saint-Eugène de Granby (Shefford) au Québec Canada avec DESGRENIERS, Madeleine (3 enfants) COURTEMANCHE, Jean-Guy Mariage : 31.8.1957 - Paroisse Saint-Benoît de Granby (Shefford) au Québec Canada avec SAINT-CYR, Marie-Claire Décès : < 2011 (3 enfants) COURTEMANCHE, Marie-Berthe Mariage : 4.8.1951 - Paroisse Saint-Benoît de Granby (Shefford) au Québec Canada avec VAILLANCOURT, Philippe (sans descendance connue) COURTEMANCHE, Maurice Mariage : 14.7.1940 - Paroisse Notre-Dame de Granby (Shefford) au Québec Canada avec BEAUREGARD, Irène (2 enfants) COURTEMANCHE, Monique Mariage : 16.8.1958 - Paroisse Saint-Benoît de Granby (Shefford) au Québec Canada avec AUGER, André (1932-2011) (3 enfants) COURTEMANCHE, Raoul Mariage : 2.7.1951 - Paroisse Saint-Joseph de Granby (Shefford) au Québec Canada avec BOUDREAU, Pierrette Décès : < 2011 (4 enfants) COURTEMANCHE, Thérèse Mariage : 14.8.1957 - Paroisse Saint-Benoît de Granby (Shefford) au Québec Canada avec BRISSON, Michel (3 enfants) NOTES ALBUM PHOTOS
Cordialement, Richard Courtemanche
Thank you Pat Kramer (for Frank Kramer) The family is--Fkramer 01:36, 22 December 2012 (EST) [add comment] [edit] [28 December 2012]Again Hi Jennifer! I Entered new information about my uncle Ben Brouwers today. Did the foto arrived? I send it after I send the information. You told me there was a passport foto of Cornelis Brouwers, but I can't find it! You asked me if you may open a new brick wall page(?) for Walterus. Of course You have my blessing to this; everything we find will be great. For the time of the year: Wishing you a happy and healthy new year!! Best regards Wim Brouwers--Wimbrouwers 10:39, 28 December 2012 (EST) |
