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[add comment] [edit] A related Place Name ProblemOh this one is yucky. So I started going through my place names looking for those problem children. I have "Schwenningen" as the place for a LOT of people. And it's accurate (although I suppose it really should say "Schwenningen, Wuerttemberg, Germany"). But here's the problem. WeRelate isn't going to recognize it because the CURRENT name of the town is Villingen-Schwenningen. But the town didn't get named that until 1972. Before that, you were either from Villingen (in Baden, to make things worse), or Schwenningen (in Wuerttemberg). Germany abounds with such merged places! Feil and Bingert are another case in point. They were two separate towns, and are now merged into Feilbingert. From a genealogical perspective, I've been instructed to use the name of the town AS IT WAS CALLED AT THE TIME OF THE RECORD. So if I was born over there today, I'd be from Villingen-Schwenningen (Baden-Wuerttemberg), but if I was born there before 1972, it would have been Schwenningen (Baden-Wuerttemberg) and if it was before the merger of Baden and Wuerttemberg, it would have been Schwenningen (Wuerttemberg)!!! What's a girl to do about THAT, Ronni?? ;-) Jillaine 15:42, 8 July 2007 (MDT) (please feel free to move this to an appropriate location if your talk page isn't the right spot; it's just that I've started such a nice rapport with you! ;-)
The stuff before the pipe will link the page, but after the pipe is what will be SEEN on the page. And btw, the placename database for European countries needs some work, and many times the name of the country will not want to link. Again, just use the pipe character to display how you want it to appear. (2) The second way I've seen folks dealing with this is to put comments in the DESC field after they've linked a placename. "Clay, Clay, West Virginia" and then in DESC: "state of Virginia before 1864" --Ronni 21:55, 8 July 2007 (MDT)
[add comment] [edit] DESC tags in GEDCOM uploads needing changingRonni, I see that you're perusing a recently uploaded family tree of mine and changing a certain field to DESC instead. Is there something I should do with my GEDCOM before uploading it to avoid you have to make these changes? Jillaine 12:21, 8 July 2007 (MDT)
[add comment] [edit] TroutH0riz0n 03:04, 29 May 2007 (MDT): Thanks for making those edits... back when I did them seemed like people were doing different ways.
[add comment] [edit] WelcomeWelcome to WeRelate, your virtual genealogical community. We're glad you have joined us. At WeRelate you can easily create ancestor web pages, connect with cousins and other genealogists, and find new information. [add comment] [edit] Video TourWe strongly recommend that you spend a few minutes taking our video tour. It provides a brief overview of how to use the features of WeRelate. A little time spent here may save you time later. There are also in-depth text tutorials available from the help button. [add comment] [edit] Create WebpagesThe next thing to do is launch Family Tree Explorer, then select File in the Family Tree Explorer menu and give your family tree a name. You can either upload your GEDCOM or create person and family pages one at a time. To upload your GEDCOM, select File in the Family Tree Explorer menu and then click on Import and choose the GEDCOM file to import. The system will create an editable web page for each person and family in your GEDCOM. To create a page manually, select Add in the Family Tree Explorer menu and click on Add new person; enter the given (first name) and surname (last name), select Add, then fill in the blanks and save. The Family Tree Explorer is a Flash application and will need to use some space in your computer to cache the files. That's computer talk for "If you store some ancestor page information on your computer, you will be able to view more pages faster. Otherwise, the system has to fetch each page every time you edit or look at it. This would make navigating your tree very slow. [add comment] [edit] Connect with other genealogistsYou should always sign in when you are editing or adding pages. Use the signature button (second button from the in the menu bar above the edit box) to sign your comments on discussion pages. That way others with similar interests can find you. If you click on the blue user name on any page, you will go to that person's home page. You can leave a message on his/her Discussion page. The Discussion page button is in the light green second level menu bar above. [add comment] [edit] Shared research pagesShared research pages act like specialized message boards. Be careful to use only one name spelling and one location in each field, do not abbreviate. Including postal codes and multiple spellings, names or locations in these fields will cause your pages to be improperly indexed. It will make it harder for your cousins to find your pages and work with you. For more information see Shared research pages. [add comment] [edit] Great things you can do at WeRelatePlease see the Great things you can do at WeRelate article.
[add comment] [edit] Knar_PatrickHenryTucker.ged Imported SuccessfullyThe pages from your GEDCOM, "Knar_PatrickHenryTucker.ged" have been generated successfully. You may view them by launching the Family Tree Explorer and opening the family tree into which this GEDCOM was imported. -WeRelate agent 15:03, 13 April 2007 (MDT) [add comment] [edit] Knar_UlyssesGrantMorton.ged is being held for reviewThe pages from "Knar_UlyssesGrantMorton.ged" have not yet been generated because they appear to match pages from a GEDCOM you have previously imported to WeRelate. Please be patient while we take a look at your GEDCOM. If it turns out that the people in Knar_UlyssesGrantMorton.ged don't really overlap people you have imported previously, your pages will be generated right after the review, which should happen tomorrow (or Monday if tomorrow falls on a weekend). If you have already imported a GEDCOM containing people in Knar_UlyssesGrantMorton.ged, you have two options:
-WeRelate agent 04:07, 14 April 2007 (MDT) [add comment] [edit] Knar_UlyssesGrantMorton.ged is being held for reviewThe pages from "Knar_UlyssesGrantMorton.ged" have not yet been generated because they appear to match pages from a GEDCOM you have previously imported to WeRelate. Please be patient while we take a look at your GEDCOM. If it turns out that the people in Knar_UlyssesGrantMorton.ged don't really overlap people you have imported previously, your pages will be generated right after the review, which should happen tomorrow (or Monday if tomorrow falls on a weekend). If you have already imported a GEDCOM containing people in Knar_UlyssesGrantMorton.ged, you have two options:
-WeRelate agent 04:37, 14 April 2007 (MDT) [add comment] [edit] Knar_WilliamAugustusMayes.ged Imported SuccessfullyThe pages from your GEDCOM, "Knar_WilliamAugustusMayes.ged" have been generated successfully. You may view them by launching the Family Tree Explorer and opening the family tree into which this GEDCOM was imported. -WeRelate agent 05:08, 14 April 2007 (MDT) [add comment] [edit] Knar_UlyssesGrantMorton.ged Imported SuccessfullyThe pages from your GEDCOM, "Knar_UlyssesGrantMorton.ged" have been generated successfully. You may view them by launching the Family Tree Explorer and opening the family tree into which this GEDCOM was imported. -WeRelate agent 15:52, 14 April 2007 (MDT)
[add comment] [edit] Ronni- Thanks a million for helping me, a newbe!I found your discussion of your own ancestry fascinating and look forward to learning more about your line as soon as I get my bearings here!- --OliviaRevits 16:34, 29 April 2007 (MDT)
[add comment] [edit] thanks and a suggestionIt's great to have that Lizemore Cemetery listing, especially when I think of all the times lists like that have saved my life (so to speak) researching a particular person! I did add "Morton Cemetery" as an alternate name, because I'm told there's a plan to make places findable under alternate names as well as main names. I was wondering if you would want to include the Allen Morton Cemetery in the "see also" box -- I think that's a legitimate use of the box and it would allow you to make the distinction from the other side as well, if somebody at Allen Morton Cemetery were to get confused.--Hh219 20:27, 2 May 2007 (MDT)
[add comment] [edit] Tip for place namesHi Ronni! My name's Christian and I'm a part-time employee of the Foundation for Online Genealogy. Thanks for your many contributions to the WeRelate community. I just noticed a little thing on one of your person pages and I wanted to explain why I changed it. I saw you'd listed a birthplace as Granby,,Connecticut, USA. As there is only one Granby in our place index in Connecticut, I went ahead and changed it to Granby, Hartford, Connecticut, United States, linking it up to the associated place page. If you have any questions about place page titles, check out Help:Place pages--Titles for place pages. Thanks and keep up the good work! Christian--Wrhelp 05:00, 23 May 2007 (MDT) [add comment] [edit] Arden Keith Colby's ancestorsHere's the thing. That was a website I put on Rootsweb years ago, and forgot all about! :( I have tried to get it removed, but been unsuccessful. The worst thing is, the email address is no good any longer! Maybe, if it isn't too much trouble or takes too much room or something, at least having somewhere that it is not valid any longer might help someone not be frustrated by another email that doesn't work! I was not intending to add it to WeRelate, but was just poking at things to see how things worked! Whatever you think is best, go ahead and do - ok by me!
It would be great if a bit could be added to direct people to www.volkertservices.com where all the information is kept current! Thanks - lots!!
[add comment] [edit] Hester GriswoldYes, go ahead and connect my Hester Griswold with your Griswold family pages. I have info on the Griswolds, too. I'll check to see if I can give you anything useful. Cheers, gunnj
[add comment] [edit] Hester GriswoldNo problem. Most of my information comes from the Holcombe line. I have a pdf manuscript of the Holcombes I found online. Lee
[add comment] [edit] What happens when I upload a GEDCOM to update a GEDCOM?I am not sure how WeRelate works on this. I am used to using WorldConnect at Rootsweb and when I do a lot of corrections to my database, here at home on my own machine... I can then upload a totally new GEDCOM that includes the past info and all the new info. Their website preserves any "post-ems" that have been made by other folks so updates are not lost when I do this. So with WeRelate ... if "John Doe" has made changes to .. one of the family member's pages in my GEDCOM... and then I upload a new "updated" version of my that same database, will the changes "John" made to the webpage be lost? I hope I am explaining this well enough for you to understand the question
Hmmmm... Yes I see this is a problem then. Well... as long as I do NOT edit any family pages or upload any photos or documentation and nobody else does any editing to any of my family pages... it will be OK to just delete the initial GEDCOM and upload the updated one. Otherwise, I have to just let the old one sit "as is" until the fall when you get the software updated. I hope it all works out for you. I am sure it is very time consuming writing program's, what little I have done sure did, thus I leave that sort of thing up to good folks like you! <wink> Would you let me know once that program is up and running, so I will know when it is OK to upload new GEDCOM's ?? Meanwhile I will continue to create and upload GEDCOM's for my various family lines. I have over 55,000 folks in my database and I work on it everyday, to add more information on each person and/or more children and spouses to existing families. I am definitely addicted!!--Msscarlet1957 20:15, 11 July 2007 (MDT) [add comment] [edit] i need all the help i can getI am a 30 yr old mom of 5 1 girl age 9 and 4 boys ages 6,4,2,and,1,my life is very crazy,I was recently diagnosed with some pretty ugly diseases and my doc said that geneoligy,he felt would be a good stress releiver,i think not i already feel overwhelmed,i am wanting to reasearch my daddys side of my family,all i know is that his grand father and grandmother came here frome holland on a boat many years ago,and his grandfathers name was jacobos jenezon,i had someone e-mail me years ago from holland by the last name of leandert saying they thought they where related,but i dont even know where to start.if you can help it would be great thanks.c.j. [add comment] [edit] Your Offer to Help [31 July 2007]
a Joseph Harvey and wife Mary Unknown and their children and nothing else. Now that I created the GEDCOM I'm wondering if I should enter it on Joseph's page, or create one for the John S Harvey, the person who I used as the basic person with all his ANCESTORS {Joseph and Mary being the earliest ancestors I've so far located}? Any help appreciated. Ivanhoe--Ivanhoe 15:31, 30 July 2007 (MDT)
[add comment] [edit] Search for new contributions on werate search engine [31 July 2007]How long does it take for new contributions to become search-able on the wereate search engine? For example, I added my family's gedcom file and when I tried to search for a specific ancestor's name, nothing came up for them on werelate search results. I am assuming this is because there is a waiting period for new persons or places to become search-able but I wanted to make sure. The name I searched for was "Roy Stuckmeyer" and my search was specific to the werate site. It is an uncommon name and it should be easy to find. I just wanted to see if he could be found after uploading the gedcom this morning. So far, there are no results for him or others from my contributions. Thank you for this great site! Already I can see many advantages to having a genealogy wiki. - Pam --Pjdrap 15:45, 30 July 2007 (MDT) I'm just eavesdropping here; new contributions should be searchable the following day. The website is re-indexed overnight.--Dallan 18:25, 30 July 2007 (MDT) Thank you so much. I thought it would be something like that but wanted to be sure. - Pam --Pjdrap 05:23, 31 July 2007 (MDT) [add comment] [edit] Souce Titles [15 August 2007]Hello, I have a question about source titles. I am trying to created a new source with the following title: Knapp, John I. and Bonner, Richard Illenden. Illustrated History and Biographical Record of Lenawee County, Mich. This title is cut off before the end of "Biographical". Any ideas as to how I can get the full source title? Thanks Jason--Jason 12:16, 7 August 2007 (MDT)
This is where my title is getting cut off: "Knapp, John I. and Bonner, Richard Illenden. Illustrated History and Biographica"--Jason 15:56, 9 August 2007 (EDT) Ok, now I get it. Dumb bug: I had restricted the number of characters that could be entered into the "Goto/Add Page" title field to 80. I just now increased it to 150. Hopefully that solves the problem. (Sorry for not responding sooner; I've been out of town.)--Dallan 18:05, 15 August 2007 (EDT) [add comment] [edit] [14 August 2007]--BlackfordJB 09:36, 14 August 2007 (EDT) [add comment] [edit] thanks for the help [20 August 2007]Hi, Ronnie. Thanks for correcting this things. I certainly couldn't figure out how to make that photo display. And the whole "cemetery thing" was another stumper. Thanks for your help and for volunteering your time here. Happy hunting!--genienut 07:44, 20 August 2007 (EDT) [add comment] [edit] Macintosh troubles [24 August 2007]I have logged in and uploaded a gedcom. However, when I tried to move around the tree I'd uploaded, I couldn't do anything but turn the tree to the left or the right. The nice little tabs that appeared on the tutorial and tour did not appear. I tried Safari and FireFox. Firefox was a little better, but all I could do was turn the tree. Suggestions? Flutter8y--Flutter8y 19:02, 23 August 2007 (EDT)
Thank you! This looks like a really cool idea -- I'm anxious to give it a whirl.--Flutter8y 20:48, 23 August 2007 (EDT) [add comment] [edit] Thanks for the message [27 August 2007]I appreciate your offer and I will sure call on you if and when I learn enough to begin to put my information on line. MuleTownGardner--MuleTownGardner 14:43, 27 August 2007 (EDT) [add comment] [edit] Thank you for the welcome! [14 September 2007]Thank you for the welcome to this site. I look forward to being able to really utilize the features -- at the moment I am intimidated by the complexity -- but at the same time I realize that there is real potential for success once I learn more about using everything. There has been quite a lot of new sites appearing but when I saw the interview on Roots TV with Eastman/Dallan I was really anxious to get involved. Thanks again, I'm sure I'll be seeking your assistance.--Rootsmeister 14:10, 7 September 2007 (EDT)
[add comment] [edit] Uploading a GEDCOM [11 September 2007]Evidentlly, my gedcom files is too large at 10MB. If I am to add my gedcom, I shall need some help. The instructions indicate that a request to darren at werelate.org will resolve this issue, yet any email to that address is rejected. Can you organize this for me and advise? On another topic, this WeRelate.org must be relatively new, eh? Info is scant, and Wiki is still mostly stubs.--JFBailey 13:08, 10 September 2007 (EDT)
[add comment] [edit] Wiki: url in text? [11 September 2007]How do I add a url in the text of a message or Wiki edit (since it contains slashes)???--JFBailey 13:45, 10 September 2007 (EDT) For external links just type the URL or surround the URL with single brackets: No brackets:
With brackets:
[add comment] [edit] Response to Welcome [13 September 2007]Thank you, so much, for the welcome. I am really excited to become aware of the We Relate Wiki project. I have used wiki in my teaching, a bit, for student projects. I think this is the project I've been "waiting" for regarding my extensive Genealogy work. I'm on WorldConnect and Rootsweb page, but this appears to be the best forum... for collaboration and permanent publishing. I've begun with a small piece, to see how it works. Thanks, again, for your interest. P.S. I heard about We Relate from the mention in the weekly Roots Web newsletter via email. Bill ;-)--Dr. Bill 16:15, 13 September 2007 (EDT) [add comment] [edit] Response to Welcome - 2 [16 September 2007]I uploaded a small GEDCOM about 10 p.m. last evening... it is now 3:15 p.m. the following afternoon, and it is still in the queue... My have gotten a huge influx.... need more server capacity, huh? Just to let you know. Bill ;-)--Dr. Bill 16:21, 13 September 2007 (EDT)
Ronni, My family files that I am anxious to work with on wikis at WeRelate are in three files on my computer, a small one and two larger ones (a primary and a secondary, I'll call them): small, primary and secondary. I first loaded the small one, to do some work, see how it goes. That has worked fine, once we got over the loading problems (the overload!) I have created a number of person pages and family pages related to this small GEDCOM. Now, I am in the process of uploading the primary file (awaiting) to a new family tree name, that I would like to become the consolidated file of all three. Now, to my question: 1) I assume I will want to remove the small one, and resubmit that small GEDCON file, with duplicates (very few) removed into the consolidated family tree... correct? If I remove that tree, will the wiki pages (person pages and family pages) I created based on those persons remain, or will they "go away" with out that specific family tree being on line?? Thanks!--Dr. Bill 20:24, 15 September 2007 (EDT)
A neat system... I'll enjoy watching it grow. Enjoyed the Dick Eastman Roots Television interview with Dallan this evening, as well!! --Dr. Bill 23:50, 15 September 2007 (EDT) [add comment] [edit] Information downloaded--this makes no sense!! [14 September 2007]This whole thing is about as clear as mud- and I am an experienced computer user. Please delete anything I've uploaded. I don't want people messing around with my data. I will attempt to understand this but I'm not going to take as much time as this seems to demand. Again please delete anything I've uploaded before someone fools with it. I'd do it myself but I don't seem to see a way. Thanks George Chapman--Geochapman 17:26, 13 September 2007 (EDT)
[add comment] [edit] Thanks [14 September 2007]Hi Ronni, Thanks for your welcome and kind offer of help. Still trying to learn my way around, and if I get lost I will certainly seek your assistance. Kind regards, Sharon.--Shaz1 18:02, 13 September 2007 (EDT)
[add comment] [edit] Name Field: Unknown as a surname [14 September 2007]Hi Ronni - I just found WeRelate through my Rootsweb Newsletter & so far it's going well. My question is for the name fields, is there a particular reason why WeRelate uses "Unknown" as a surname? I prefer using [--?--] for either a given name or surname that I haven't discovered yet. There's no confusion as to what this person's name is or is not when someone else is looking. I have actually seen entire trees where the documented surname is Unk or Unknown because the newbie researchers were not aware that it was a [blank] space. I know that this particular issue is a hot one for many researchers, for example my mom leaves the name field empty altogether if she doesn't know it, I prefer to have the fields filled with either the true name or the symbol [--?--]. It makes replacing them quicker as it's easier to scan down a list of names when you're looking for the symbols rather than placing out more words.
or Woods, William Woods, William Woods, Wilson Woods, Wilson Wright, [--?--] Wright, Unknown Wright, [--?--] Wright, Unknown Wright, Ann Wright, Ann Wright, Amelia Wright, Amelia Thank you for your time, Happy Hunting! Stephanie Wright - Bucks Co., PA--HawkEcho 10:47, 14 September 2007 (EDT)
[add comment] [edit] Pending Possible Overlap [18 September 2007]Hello, I have a few trees being held because of possible overlap. My complete tree has over 10,000 people in it and is too large to upload, so I have broken it down and am only uploading my main family lines, which do overlap at the point that a person marries into one of my other lines. Do you have any suggestions?--CynthiaR 19:29, 14 September 2007 (EDT)
[add comment] [edit] RE: Welcome [15 September 2007]Thanks for the welcome, Ronni!--PFletch 07:21, 15 September 2007 (EDT) [add comment] [edit] Heya [18 September 2007]hey ronni
[add comment] [edit] Thanks [18 September 2007]Hey Ronni, I just wanted to tell you how much we appreciate all your help. You are a incredible!!--sq 00:00, 19 September 2007 (EDT) [add comment] [edit] NEW TO WE RELATE [19 September 2007]Hello Knarrows Thanks for your email and thanks for your offer of help if I reuire it. Regards Pat--Patriciaberry38 16:54, 19 September 2007 (EDT) [add comment] [edit] Louvicy Rowe Stacy [30 September 2007]I received an email which stated that you made a minor edit to my page for Louvicy Rowe Stacy. Your edit was that you changed the spelling of a place name - Stacy [VA] to Stacey. I am fairly certain that my spelling is correct. It's no big deal, I just wondered why you had a different spelling! Is this person [Louvicy Rowe Stacy] in one of your trees? I checked them, but couldn't find her. Let me know!
[add comment] [edit] Louvicy Rowe Stacy [30 September 2007]Regarding my previous message, I guess the spelling change for the place name STACY was an inadvertent error. I had two minor-edit other emails for the parents and spouse of Louvicy Rowe Stacy. All three edits appear to have been changes to my use of postal abbreviations for state names - VA changed to Virginia -as well as the addition of the country name - United States. I assume these changes are being done to standardize geographic names. You can disregard my previous message!
[add comment] [edit] MyRelate/Network - How Does It Work? [30 September 2007]I can't find any info on how this feature works! When I go to MyRelate page, it says I have 18 people in my Network. When I click on the "view network" link, I get a table showing my Network: "User" and "Watched Pages in Common." However, none of the links [the user names, "talk," "contrib," and the number of common pages] in this table take me to the common pages! How do I find these common pages? Please tell me where to find the instructions for this feature! Linda Jones/--Cymrusa 23:50, 29 September 2007 (EDT)
[add comment] [edit] Re: MyRelate/Network - How Does It Work? [1 October 2007]Thanks, Ronni! I kinda figured that out later - that when I clicked on the number, the page that I was taken to WAS the page in common! I just assumed the common page would be someone in my database. I'll try not to panic the next time!
[add comment] [edit] the leter that I was sent [17 October 2007]Hello my name is Lori and you have gone into my family tree and changed some information on me. My Parents are Both from Michigan and My Dad is Robert Gordon Williams SR and My mother is LouAnn McPherson - Williams. Please do not change this again.--Lori 1959 11:54, 17 October 2007 (EDT)
[add comment] [edit] Help [18 October 2007]I just finished putting in some names for my genealogy, but when I click on Search, it does not bring them up. I started out with Charles Downey (2). What am I doing wrong? --Suzid 16:25, 18 October 2007 (EDT)
[add comment] [edit] Welcome [29 October 2007]Thank you for your message. Arnold Bailson--Abailson 09:25, 29 October 2007 (EDT) [add comment] [edit] Editing places [8 November 2007]Hi, I posted this on the place talk for Merthyr Tydfil, Wales, but realized it probably has a broader application than that... could you help me? How do we edit the "place information" column on the left? As I understand it, Dowlais and Georgetown are both parts of Merthyr, not an aka for it. I don't see an edit link over there, though. Also, I can't get more of the wikipedia entry to show on this page, even though there is substantially more information on there now. We could just paste the text in, but then we wouldn't get updates. Anyone have any thoughts?--Joevans3 18:32, 7 November 2007 (EST)
[add comment] [edit] help, please ... [12 November 2007]I just found this great site today and my first search was for McWILLIAM - MILROY in Scotland/New York and I had a find. I spent quite a long time composing a message but I can't find the message - where is it? I expected there to be a link to it on the page for Wilemina McWilliam but there isn't. I'm missing something here - will you help me out please? I guess I'm used to the lists at Rootsweb where responses and queries are obvious. Thanks for volunteering!--MizThistle 17:18, 11 November 2007 (EST)
[add comment] [edit] Living Dead [17 November 2007]I recently uploaded a GEDCOM, whitlock33, and when I list it 30 of the people are shown as living but they are not. I checked my GEDCOM and they are not listed as living there. Is it simply that birth and or death dates are unknown? Clearly from the age of their siblings, parents or spouses, they can not possibly be still alive. I tried renaming them, but they remain listed as living. Also I notice that the chidren of a family become reordered, Why?--Scot 19:20, 15 November 2007 (EST)
Thanks Ronnie, but I still don't completely understand. How did you determine which Doak was which child? All I could see was gender. When I now look at the family page I see Nancy but Isabelle and Lucinda are still shown as just Doak, but if I mouse over them the names pop up. What was different when Nancy was moved? I am also having a similar problem with merging. I uploaded two GEDCOMs and tried to link the three trees. I deleted the extra individuals and families and tried to connect at that point, but some how I kept linking to the individuals that had been deleted. Along the way I realized my grandmother's name was misspelled so I corrected it. The change was made to the page name, but to the individual's name. By that time I was totally confused.--Scot 17:39, 16 November 2007 (EST)
What I havn't figured out is how were able separate the three living Doaks especially since WeRelate scrambled the birth order, I tried to sort a John Barlow and Ann family yesterday and I'm sure it is mixed up. ----
[add comment] [edit] town / county naming conventions [17 November 2007]Ronni, I understand why Springfield, Mass. is in red and I understand that there is a file for Springfield but here is my problem: Today Springfield is part of Hampden county, the time the events I added it was part of Hampshire County, Hampden was not formed until 1812. I have the same problem with Suffield, were I live, it was formed as part of Hampshire Co., Mass it is now part of Hartford Co., Conn. Suffield moved to Conn., in 1749. So what would you recommend for the best way to document this? I have seen it done both ways, and at least for Suffield it confuses many people. I get question all the time about how come my ancestor was born in Suffield, Mass. and died in Suffield, CT, they think it two different towns. Art Sikes PS: I have been researching my ancestors the Sikes’ & Austin’s and early Suffield Families for over 35 years and publish or help publish 5 book on what I have found so far.--ArtSikes 08:55, 17 November 2007 (EST) Hi Art. Yeah, the naming convention you mentioned is something that crops up from time to time and I'm not sure the WeRelate community has come to a general consensus on the best way to deal with it. What I suggest is to use a pipe ("|") to show what it was then vs. what it is now. For instance, in your case, type Springfield, Hampden, Massachusetts and let it link to the page and then at the end of the text use the pipe to name it whatever you would like: Springfield, Hampden, Massachusetts, United States | Springfield, Hampshire, Massachusetts. This will create a link to the place page, but you will have given it the proper name at the time of the event by using the pipe. Then, hopefully, the place page for Springfield (or perhaps the county page) will show that Hampden was formed from Hampshire. If the place page for Springfield doesn't give this type of historical information, feel free to add to it. --Ronni 09:08, 17 November 2007 (EST)
[add comment] [edit] Muti copies of people and/or families? [24 November 2007]Ronni, I have another problem/question and that is what is going to prevent multi copies of people and/or families on WeRelate? I already see that there are multi copies of my early Sikes ancestor, is there a way to combine these with permission from both the people that put them up. You can go to some of the other web sites that have collected file from people and there are 50-100 copies of Richard Sikes my Sikes earliest ancestor. For that reason I refuse to put up a database with over 5,000 Sikes/Sykes names, they would just get lost with the other bad or poor data that is already there. The Austin’s have multi databases with over 40,000 Austin names and they are asking the same questions. Art Sikes Genealogist, Sikes/Sykes Families Association President, Austin Families Association of America--ArtSikes 09:13, 17 November 2007 (EST)
I'm not sure what you mean by the purpose of what we are doing here, I thought the pupose was to replace the 100 conflicting copies of the Richard Sikes family with one copy based upon the best available documentation. Then when you search on a name of your ancestor you don't have to review and compare to find the best data. Isn't that what collaboration is supposed to eliminate? ----
Ronnie, Feel free to take this issue to the Watercooler. I would like to hear what some others have to say. Art--ArtSikes 14:45, 18 November 2007 (EST)
Ronnie, I have a problem I can't understand. I created a GEDCOM of 22 persons with the procedure previously described, deleting my grandmother previously uploaded. I uploaded it, but before linking her back in I realized her first name was misspelled. I redirected her page to (Mabel Gray (6))edited it and added it to the family. When I display my tree she appears with the note "Not in tree". Am I missing something here?--Scot 14:43, 24 November 2007 (EST)
[add comment] [edit] Thanks [18 November 2007]Just wanted to say thanks for the welcome. I have been working on our genealogy for 7 years, and there is still so very far to go. My husband thought maybe his family had dropped to earth about 150 years ago, but I have proved him wrong so far. His family doesn't seem to enjoy being found though, so there are alot of brick walls. Always something to keep me busy looking and not becoming bored. Thanks again and hope to visit you again. Diane--Dcg1950 18:46, 18 November 2007 (EST) [add comment] [edit] Redirect in lieu of merge [25 November 2007]Thankyou for correcting my bungled attempts at redirect by removing the syntax such as <gender>F</gender> and replaced it with poundsign redirect Person:Mary Best (14). Is that something I can do (as is done in Wikipedia)? If yes, how should I do it? If no, should I send you a request each time I want it done. Or should I continue to do it as I was doing it and you will correct it?
One way of avoiding redirects is to take the record that has the most content such as Nancy Perkins (1) and her children, rename it as Nancy Perkins (2) which did not yet exist, and change the other pointers to point to Nancy Perkins (2) instead of Nancy Perkins (1) or (3). But this did not work for John Binkey (7) which should be (5) and his wife Catherine Best (4) which should be (5). What should I do in a situation like this? Greensburger 23:39, 18 November 2007 (EST)
[add comment] [edit] Feedback on final place review [21 November 2007]Hi Ronni, I wanted to make sure that you saw the proposal I left for a final place review on WeRelate talk:Place review. I'd love to get your comments on it. Thanks!--Dallan 11:36, 21 November 2007 (EST) [add comment] [edit] garbled "OKeefe" page [25 November 2007]Thanks for the fix, I was thinking I should contact someone because I had some bizarre behavior with this name. The presence of a __'__ character in a name, from which a family was being rolled up, seemed to cause problems (what a surprise). I didn't track the behavior well enough to be able to submit anything like a competent bug report, but maybe you guys have encountered this...--Jrm03063 11:41, 21 November 2007 (EST)
[add comment] [edit] Reply to your welcome message [22 November 2007]Thanks! I appreciate hearing from you. You have built some great pages! Janice--Mssuzzpie 12:14, 22 November 2007 (EST) [add comment] [edit] Two bugs [4 December 2007]I created two duplicate families to uncover the causes of broken links I encountered last week. These are real people in my ancestry, so don't delete them. The husband Robert Best (4) had a full name "Robert Cruson Best". His wife was "Anna Barbara Bierer". The first family of Robert Best (4) and Anna Bierer (1) originally had a Family record titled "Robert Best and Anna Bierer (1)". I also created a duplicate family for Robert Best (5) and Anna Bierer (2) with duplicate Person records. The Cruson and Barbara middle names did appear correctly along with the correct birth and death data. But when I edited the first Family record to change the Husband's name from "Robert Best (4)" to "Robert Cruson Best (4)", the link was broken and "Robert Cruson Best (4)" appeared in red with no birth and death data on the family page. I know this is an invalid edit and that the middle name should not be in the Husband name box. But since it is the correct full name, the system should automatically normalize it to the record title "Robert Best (4)" along with a tutorial message to new users that middle names must be omitted in family records and one of the names must agree with the title. The second related bug was uncovered in the duplicate family of Robert Best (5) and Anna Bierer (2) when I changed the Wife name from "Anna Bierer (2)" to "Anna Bierer (1)". This causes Anna Bierer (1) to have two husbands Robert Best (4) and Robert Best (5) which is expected. But the Person record "Anna Bierer (1)" shows one of the spouses as "Anna Bierer (2)" instead of "Anna Bierer (1)". I think the solution to this is to inhibit any attenpt to change the person name and/or number in the "spouse of family" box and force it to agree with the record title. Any attempt to edit it should cause a message to appear that suggests use of Rename if the name must be changed. The editing programs should be changed to prevent people from doing these invalid edits by mistake. Greensburger 02:07, 24 November 2007 (EST) I've notified Dallan of your bug report. He'll get back to you as soon as he can. Thanks Greensburger! --Ronni 06:32, 24 November 2007 (EST) I agree with the bug about normalizing names, although it's a little more complicated than you might think. If Robert were of Mexican descent, his last name might actually be "Cruson Best". (Although this is admittedly strained, there are a number of other two-word surnames like "Van Dyke".) A three-word person title is probably, but not always, incorrect. This is a very common source of error though, and adding some checks/warnings/tutorial messages is high on my todo list for next month. Can you explain what you mean in the second example? I'm looking at Person:Anna Bierer (1) and I see that she links to two family pages: Family:Robert Best and Anna Bierer (1) and Family:Robert Best and Anna Bierer (2), as expected. Both family pages link back to Person:Anna Bierer (1); neither links to Person:Anna Bierer (2). I just thought of something -- is the problem because you're thinking that the (2) in "Robert Best and Anna Bierer (2)" means that the wife in that family is "Anna Bierer (2)"? It's not; it just means that that's the second family page for two people named "Robert Best and Anna Bierer". It has nothing to do with the index numbers of either spouse. But I can see where that would cause confusion. To eliminate this confusion, instead of displaying the title of the family page we could display the full name of the spouse along with a link to the spouse's person page. Others have asked for a way to navigate directly from a person page to the spouse's person page, and this would address that issue as well. We'd still need some text that would link to the family page, but this could be addressed by a "view family" link next to the spouse name. (If we did this it wouldn't happen until next year though - we have to get match+merge finished first.) What do you think about this approach? --Dallan 02:31, 25 November 2007 (EST) Yes, I was confused and thought the (2) in the Family title meant Anna Bierer (2). For every user like me who talks about it, there are probably dozens of others that are also confused. I suggest you put the letter "F" for Family in the displayed Family title, such as "(F2)", so that Family:Robert Best and Anna Bierer (2) will be displayed as "Family:Robert Best and Anna Bierer (F2)". If a user keys "(F2)" the F can be ignorred in the input, but will be displayed in the output. This will minimize confusion. Changing the title may be something you could add to the program in a few minutes. You suggested displaying the full name of the spouse in the Family page title instead of the shortened first/last names used for indexing. I agree. And to avoid confusion, I suggest both the full and shortened names be displayed in the Family page heading. For example, "Family:Robert Cruson Best and Anna Barbara Bierer (indexed as Robert Best and Anna Bierer (F2) )". Changing the middle name would not require Rename and the middle name would instantly appear in the Family and Person page titles. Attempting to change the surname or first name would cause a message to be displayed saying Rename is necessary when changing the surname or first name. Or is it necessary? Greensburger 13:54, 25 November 2007 (EST) I thought about the (F2) as well. It's an interesting idea, although to avoid confusion we'd have to rename all family pages (and probably the person pages as well -- to append (Pnn)). I think first we'll change how family titles are displayed on person pages -- others have asked for this as well -- and leave page renaming for later. Although you don't have to rename the page if you change the given or surname, it's a good idea to avoid confusion. Reminding people to rename the page (or maybe better yet, renaming it automatically), is also on the todo list. There are three big high-priority items on the todo list right now: re-doing search to make it "fielded" so that searches for people named Madison don't return people with events in Madison, matching and merging of trees, and usability improvements like these. They'll all be done; it just takes time. Thanks for the suggestions!--Dallan 19:23, 27 November 2007 (EST) [add comment] [edit] Place Page for cemeteries [26 November 2007]I am not sure if I messed up or not. I wanted to create a place page for a cemetery, so that I could give directions and GPS coordinates for the cemetery. I did so for two cemeteries but then realized that I left off the county in the name of one of them. I cant' see how to change the name of the place . A couple of questions: 1) Is a cemetery OK for a place page? 2) If it is should I just delete the current place and then recreate a new page? And can I add a picture of the cemetery? 3) If it is not then how or where do I include the information for each cemetery? These are the two cemeteries in question. Each is currently linked to just two people so now is the time for me to fix things
http://www.werelate.org/wiki/Place:Buckingham_Cemetery%2C_Glastonbury%2C_Hartford%2C_Connecticut%2C_United_States This is linked to http://www.werelate.org/wiki/Person:Elijah_Fox_%284%29 and http://www.werelate.org/wiki/Person:Chester_Fox_%282%29
http://www.werelate.org/wiki/Place:Eastbury_Cemetery%2C_Glastonbury%2C_Connecticut This is linked to http://www.werelate.org/wiki/Person:Amos_Fox_%281%29 and http://www.werelate.org/wiki/Person:Mary_Stratton_%2811%29 Thanks for your help and hope I didn't mess things up too much. David Armstrong--Quadraticman 23:35, 25 November 2007 (EST) Hi David. :)
The pages look just fine David. You didn't mess up anything at all. Renaming pages (i.e., changing the titles) is something that is done all the time because of corrections. If you need anymore help, just holler. :) --Ronni 08:42, 26 November 2007 (EST) [add comment] [edit] Watching pages [26 November 2007]Ronni, I'm sorry, I still don't fully understand the Watch Page area...I mean, does anyone need to watch every tiny edit? I think I turned off the watch page by clicking on minor edit because I have been posting and editing as I go...boring stuff! Thanks, Gale--GaleB 13:00, 26 November 2007 (EST) Hi Gale, Whenever you create or edit a page, especially a page that is part of your tree, you would want to "watch" that page, I would think. If are not watching a page that you are interested in, then when someone else comes along and edits it, you won't be notified of the change. Even if someone came along and added a message to the TALK portion of one of your pages, you wouldn't be notified of it. Also, if you are not watching your pages, then it could be deleted if it becomes a part of someone else's tree and then they decide to delete it later. So watching pages, especially pages that are part of your tree is something you'll want to change in your preferences. Under preferences > editing, I would definitely check "Add pages I create to my watchlist." The other setting, "Add pages I edit to my watchlist" is a personal preference which you may or may not want checked. In your case, unless you do a lot of editing of pages outside your tree, then I would check it as well. The next setting I would check is under preferences > watchlist. Check "Hide my edits from the watchlist." This way you won't be bothered with all those tiny little edits that you are making on your pages. Only pages that you are watching that are edited by someone else will show up on your watchlist if this is checked. Hope this helps. --Ronni 14:14, 26 November 2007 (EST) [add comment] [edit] Category pages [26 November 2007]Hello Ronnie, I have a question. When I look at a Category page it says there are X "Articles" in the category. Is werelate using the term "articles" to mean "items" on this page. Articles are special page types? Categories are tags that group pages. On the categories page it lists all the pages that have been tagged by their special page type?
Have I confused you ? I am not familiar with wiki's so am having a hard time navigating. There is no set path or hierarchy and it is difficult to now where I am and how to get to where I want to go. thxs Peter --PeterP 19:52, 26 November 2007 (EST)
Thxs Ronnie, Your home page helps make sense of it. Much appreciated. Thxs Peter --PeterP 21:08, 26 November 2007 (EST) [add comment] [edit] Deleted places comment [4 December 2007]Hi Ronnie, I deleted the comments on Places because I was feeling that I was being too opinionated without having thought things through. I thought I should spend a little more time getting to understand things before making big statements. That being said, I have a tendency to share my thoughts. Some times they should be thought through before being documented for all eternity. In thinking about places, in order to understand why it would be necessary to include county, I learned a few things. Places can be many different things, political jusrisdictions, geographical areas, institutions, etc. London is a municipality. It exists inside a counties boundaries (I think) but it isn't part of the county, politically. The county has no jurisdiction over the city of London. When I try to explain the relationship between counties and municipalities it gets confusing. I need to do more research. I work for Canada Post, the Canadian Postal Service. I am familiar with the heirarchy of an address necessary to find a place uniquely. County doesn't enter into it. There are municipal addresses and rural addresses but they do not include the county. You can see in the attached link that all addresses in Canada can be uniquely found by, unit #, Street, MUNICIPALITY, PROVINCE, COUNTRY. If you go to the Canada Post postal code lookup screen they have a drop down list of all the municipal names in Canada organized by Province. Canada is assumed. Postal code look up - municipal list Middlesex is a county and is not a municipality. Canada Post doesn't need it to find London. From a genealogy perspective, are counties important. Counties have juridictions and roles. Just like municipalites. Counties and Townships are more about land management and roads and resource management. They may also be used as boundaries for census. When trying to find an entry in a census it helps to know teh census boundaries. Many times these relate to county and township boundaries. Not municiple addresses. It is an interesting discussion OI am having with my self. I see no difinitive answer. I think what needs to happen is look at the purpose of the PLACE name space and then based on that purpose decide what needs to be used as the key. Purpose of Place namespace is to provide a place for researchers identify research tips and sources tied to the Place. Do you see any merit in this one sided discussion? Thxs Peter --PeterP 18:33, 28 November 2007 (EST) Well, first of all Peter, you made me laugh! I enjoyed listening in on your "one-sided discussion." :) Secondly, Dallan is the one that really needs to read this message (I'll bring it to his attention) because of the place name reindexing project that's going on. I'm not familiar with Canadian place names or their hierarchy and can't really comment on how they should be structured for genealogical purposes. I did want your voice to be heard on the subject though, which is why I questioned you. :) Thanks for sharing Peter! I mean that! :) --Ronni 19:43, 28 November 2007 (EST) Counties are important to locate the birthplace of people who were born on a farm or other unincorporated area. For example my paternal grandfather was born in Hempfield Township, Westmoreland County, Pennsylvania, and not in a city or other municipality. The main reason for counties in the USA is non-municipal, local government, especially a century ago when most people lived on farms. Each county has a courthouse and law offices, a sheriff's department to police the county outside of the cities, and a school system sometimes divided into townships. The township name can be put in the city space, but would be ambiguous if the name of the county were not present. Naming the county is also important because that is where the birth/marriage/death records and deeds/wills/tax records are kept. Greensburger 18:56, 29 November 2007 (EST) Hello Greensburger, yes, counties are important, I agree. In some jurisdictions and in some past times they are very important. They were the administrative centers for communities. Records and information were managed in these administrative places. My issue is that Werelate is trying to create a standard index for places. The model says there are 4 levels. Each level down is a member of the level above. Country: USA State:Pennsylvania County:Westmoreland County Municipality:Hempfield Township
The above example for Ottawa once existed. It doesn't any more. The county of Carleton was replaced by the Regional Municipality of Ottawa-Carleton. The city and county merged into one entity. County: Canada Province: Ontario County:? Municipality: Regional Municipality of Ottawa-Carleton How about Jamestown Virginia in the early years? Country: ? America - was it a country State: ? Virginia was a colony County: ? nothing here Municipality: Jamestown. Country: British North America Province: ? none County: ? none Municipality: Hochelega (Native village where Montreal is now). How would you index the following: it is the description off the land grant for Samuel Twissell, 1895 North East quarter of section ten, of Township 35, in Range 28 West of 4th Meridian, in the Provincial district of Alberta, in the North West Territories Dominion of Canada Some of the information is geographic and some of it refers to "administrative" areas/places. Lets say for the sake of argument, that the example above is actually downtown Red Deer Alberta today. Country: Canada Province: Alberta County: Red Deer Municipality: Red Deer Red Deer County is a municipality in Canada Red Deer County is divided into seven administrative areas called “Divisions”. Each Division has an elected Councillor who serves a three-year term. A Reeve and Deputy Reeve are elected from Council’s ranks on an annual basis. Governed by the Municipal Government Act, the Council enacts legislation on issues of economic activity, safety, health, recreation, community services, transportation and utilities among others. Within the north central boundary of Red Deer County is the City of Red Deer with a population of over 71,000 people. While Red Deer City is inside of teh geograpic boundary of Red Deer County, Red Deer county will not have any administrative role or records related to Red Deer city. Red Deer city is also a municipality independent of the county. I think I have beaten this to death. It must be painful for some people to read this. So what does it matter if Red Deer the city is linked by an index key as being part of Red Deer the county when it is true for geography but not true for administrative records? If you are interested in genealogy you want to find the records not the geography. Perhaps this is too fine a point. If you get as close as the county you should be able to figure out where to look for the records. Thxs Peter --PeterP 19:00, 30 November 2007 (EST) As to Jamestown, it was originally settled in 1607 in the Virginia colony. In 1634 Virginia was divided into 8 original shires or counties: Charles City, Elizabeth City, Henrico, Warrosquyoake (renamed Isle of Wight in 1637), James City (Jamestown was in James City County)' Accawmack (renamed Northampton in 1642), Warwick River and Charles River (renamed York in 1642).--Scot 12:43, 1 December 2007 (EST) The naming hierarchy for each country has been determined largely by the FHLC as it is the most comprehensive of the sources used to create the index. Informationf from the FHLC was combined with Getty, Wikipedia, and other sources. Some countries have five levels of jurisdictional hierarchy and a few have only two, most have three. It depends on the records available. Also please realize that because most genealogists are researching older records, we and the FHLC felt it was important to pick a point in time to record jurisdictional hierarchy. For some countries such as the US and Sweden the point in time is very current. Sweden has changed little in the past 100 years. For some such as the countries of the UK, that point in time is in the late 1800's. Although certain jurisdictions are no longer extant or no longer the repository of records, genealogy records are likely archived with the older jurisdiction's records and not with the more modern jurisdiction. We realize the records in Canada are not kept by the counties. However, according to Allen County Library, there are a lot of genealogical societies organized on the county level. So, if you can ID the county, you can probably locate records through the local county genealogical society. Hope this helps. :-)--sq 01:07, 2 December 2007 (EST) Yes Thxs Solveig, and the other contributers as well. It was helpful for me to understand why tings are set up the way they are. I learned some new things while looking at the problem. Thxs again. Peter --PeterP 13:49, 2 December 2007 (EST) The only thing I can add here is that I agree that place organization is very complicated. Whenever I think about how places should be represented I try to think about how places are going to be used. I think we could use places for at least the following:
Handling independent cities like Red Deer and Jamestown is an interesting problem, because although they are not administratively part of the surrounding county, they are located nearby, so for finding nearby people and families perhaps we should put them under the surrounding county. Jamestown is especially problematic because it straddles the border between two counties. Another interesting problem is that although we can track using the "also-located-in" field multiple places that a town has been located in over time, the place page for the town can have only one title. So which located-in place should be used for the title? Because the only source for a lot of places is the Family History Library Catalog, we generally tend to use the place the town was located in according to the Family History Library Catalog, except that sometimes we categorize things deeper (e.g., put towns into districts that the FHLC omits). Perhaps this adds unnecessary complexity. I don't think it hurts (2) source-finding much, and might even help if you're looking for a county-based Canadian genealogical society, and it should help both (1) matching and (3) finding people with nearby events. What we need are people who are know about and care about particular countries, who are willing to "adopt" a country and to make the place index for that country better. That would be a very valuable contribution!--Dallan 18:06, 4 December 2007 (EST) [add comment] [edit] Image control [1 December 2007]Ronni, I have a couple of questions regarding images. I have uploaded several and then linked them into person or family pages. Sometimes they appear full size and sometimes as thumbnails. How can this be controlled? Also is there a way to text wrap around an image?--Scot 12:53, 1 December 2007 (EST)
[add comment] [edit] What Am I Doing Wrong??? [26 December 2007]I've tried to enter one of my interesting lines--Samuel Millington Story--but apparently I've got A LOT TO LEARN. It appears that I've got him there three times. I don't have a clue how that happened. He does have three wives, the third being his widowed daughter-in-law, but I haven't even tried to address that yet. I had Samuel and his three children by his first wife entered, but now only Luther Copeland Story is listed. It appears that Luther and his three children are in there, but I'm not sure about the spouses. And his daughter Marian's family appeared to be there, that is, entered successfully, but how to I get back to the any of these entries for additions and editing?--Rdrhude 16:04, 20 December 2007 (EST)
Hi, I wanted to let you know that we've had a bug for about a week that has caused the pages you've created to not be added to your tree. I fixed the bug today, and tomorrow I'll work on adding the pages that people have added this past week to their trees. The pages you've created are still there and should have been added to your "watchlist" (even though they weren't added to your tree). There's now a new "choose" link available when you're editing Person and Family pages that will let you fill in the fields for "Child of family", "Spouse of family", "Husband", "Wife", etc. by selecting the page from your watchlist (assuming you've created the page previously). Another thing you can do is go to the Family Tree page, type the first few letters of the title of a page in your watchlist that you'd like to visit into the box under the "Go to page" heading, and wait a few seconds. You should see a drop-down list of pages in your watchlist that begin with that title. Use the down-arrow key to select one of them and press "enter" to go to that page. --Dallan 01:08, 27 December 2007 (EST) |