User talk:Cthrnvl

Welcome [11 March 2013]

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Catherine,

You mention:

Because of DNA research I am now leaning to the idea that TBC was a white boy kidnapped by the Cornstalks. I do believe he was raised by the Cornstalks and then adopted by Thomas Mastin and his Indian wife (and the Indian culture identity was continued by her).

Do you have DNA confirmation that descendants of Jesse W. Bean & Mary Bean ( a "Christian" ) are definitely not Native American. Is that what causes you to "lean".

Under the historical circumstances, the murders of the Cornstalk father and son (plus the birthdate/age of Thomas Christian (Kumskaka), it seems rather unlikely that Thomas (Kumskaka) would have been kidnapped and then retrieved as part of a group of children with Shawnee names... If he were, it would almost have to be that his Anglo parents and/or sibilings were kidnapped too.... or killed.... or both...DO you have a theoretical recorded event for this ? (I have to agree that all of it is intriguingly complicated). A "kidnapped Anglo-child" theory would also be unlikely of dispelled because of Kumskaka's closeness to the three other children included in the Thomas Mastin story... Is there a particular kidnapping incident we can consider in the 1770-1777 time frame?

I look forward to finding out more.

TO: Anyone reading this: Have you (has anyone on this thread) read the Mastin letters in entirety. I need to do this.--Mikvan52 15:34, 11 March 2013 (EDT)

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Andreas ABLE.ged [23 February 2011]

I have reviewed your gedcom file. We are unable to import it because there are no importable people. Please note that we exclude early people from gedcom import. You are welcome to manually enter these people, but we do expect that early people have good source documentation before being entered. I will hold your file for a few days in case you need to refer to it. --Judy (jlanoux) 15:25, 23 February 2011 (EST) (WeRelate volunteer)

Evangelical Lutheran Church [27 February 2011]

Hello, I am one of the volunteer admins here on WeRelate. I noticed that you created a place page for the Evangelical Lutheran Church. WeRelate's policy is to create place pages for towns, counties, states, etc and cemeteries (not churches, hospitals or other physical locations). I edited your pages and moved the references to this place to the description field. Let me know if you have any questions, --Jennifer (JBS66) 07:13, 27 February 2011 (EST)

Thank you Jennifer!--Cthrnvl 10:41, 27 February 2011 (EST)

Virginia Gazette [12 March 2011]

Hello, got your note the the Virginia Gazette. The source on WeRelate may be the same newspaper, since the Virginia Gazette was run by a few different people during its history. I think Wikipedia has probably the best reference:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Virginia_Gazette

Maybe you should update the WeRelate souces with the wikipedia template, that way it will show all of the pertinent information....

Best regards,

Jim:)--Delijim 19:17, 3 March 2011 (EST)

--

When you add the information regarding the Virginia Gazette, you might want to link William Parks to the page, since he founded it. I added him to WeRelate a couple of weeks ago.

Have a great weekend,

Jim:)

I'll add here that for instructions on adding the wikipedia template to a page, see How to include Wikipedia content on a page. --Jennifer (JBS66) 10:08, 4 March 2011 (EST)

Thanks! I think I will be making a whole new entry for Virginia Gazette but I am going to study the source tutorials again first. --Cthrnvl 13:31, 4 March 2011 (EST)

FYI see Colonial Williamsburg Virginia Gazette Q 21:22, 11 March 2011 (EST)

Thanks for that link!--cthrnvl 23:26, 11 March 2011 (EST)

Contests [29 May 2011]

Hi Catherine! I'm Amy, one of the volunteer admins here on WeRelate. I've been meaning to send you a message for ages, but "real life" kept interfering. All of the admins love your idea for having contests on WR. We were thinking that it might be more fun/get more people involved if it didn't involve a brick wall problem. In other words, just take a random person, create a page with the basic facts and invite everyone to add to it. People love the thrill of the hunt, especially when they think they can actually contribute something (like in the Gussie Manlove story). (Also, in talking with Dallan, there isn't a need to have people do their submissions via Google Docs. If two people were trying to update the page at the exact same time, one would get locked out, but it wouldn't to anything like overload the system.) Would you be interested in helping coordinate such contests with WR? I look forward to hearing from you! -- Amy (Ajcrow) 09:55, 9 April 2011 (EDT)

Hi, Catherine! I'm waiting to hear back from Dallan re: when the site is busiest. Judging from other gen sites I've been involved with, traffic does go up on the weekend. Starting a contest on Friday would probably be good. Would you be comfortable exchanging emails with me? It might be easier to discuss the particulars via email than by WeRelate Talk pages :-) -- Amy (Ajcrow) 10:18, 11 April 2011 (EDT)

Hi Catherine! Did you get the email I sent about the contest? -- Amy (Ajcrow) 08:02, 29 May 2011 (EDT)

Changes to James Skaggs page [20 July 2011]

Hi Catherine, I noticed some changes you made to James Skaggs' person page. You added information and placed it in between the Augusta Banner and navigation link, which made the top of his person page appears "clogged" with text, so I added a "notes" section and added your information there. You might want to do likewise if you add narrative to any other persons with navigation links and/or banners at the top of their pages.

I also noticed a change you made (again) to the page of Mathais Harman. Since Shenandoah County did not exist until 1772, his place of birth in 1739, would have been then in Orange County (later Frederick in 1743). If you have any questions regarding the dates of formation of counties, many of the county pages on WeRelate either have information or many have links to wikipedia, showing when each county was formed.

Thanks and best regards,

Jim:)

Co-Administrator on WeRelate--Delijim 16:09, 20 July 2011 (EDT)

It's all relative [11 September 2011]

I am in for what I can add to the Auvil info. Don't expect much at first. Entiat--Entiat 17:52, 11 September 2011 (EDT)

Category pages [28 September 2011]

Hi Catherine, I noticed that you are adding "titles" to category pages. Adding text to a category page to eliminate the red-links does not actually create the pages. They need to be placed in a parent-category in order to function properly.

For surname pages such as Category:Halfhill surname, you can put the following text on the page [[Category:Surnames]] (without the nowiki tags if you are reading this message from the edit screen). This will ensure the Surname categories appear within the Surnames category page. Thanks, --Jennifer (JBS66) 09:56, 28 September 2011 (EDT)

Sort key for cemetery category links [14 November 2011]

I've noticed you've been adding cemetery pages. Thank you! Just one note: the standard for the cemetery category is to add the cemetery name as a sort key. For example, for Shaffertown Cemetery, the link should be [[Category:Cemeteries of Tucker, West Virginia, United States|Shaffertown]]. The sort key allows the cemeteries to sort by name, rather than all being lumped under P (for Place). Thanks. -- Amy (Ajcrow) 19:21, 13 November 2011 (EST)

Thanks for reminding me Amy!--cthrnvl 19:31, 13 November 2011 (EST)

Book source titles [15 January 2012]

Hi, I noticed that you have created a few book sources. Book source titles should include the author in the page title in the format Author. Main title where Author is Surname, Given name as it is listed on the title page of the book. For example, Source:Garrett, Pat F. The Authentic Life of Billy the Kid. Here is our help page for titling sources. If you have any questions, just let me know. --Jennifer (JBS66) 12:15, 12 January 2012 (EST)

Oops, now what should I do about the Billy the Kid book? Should I delete the one I created or rename it?--cthrnvl 14:21, 13 January 2012 (EST)

You can rename the source. That will create a redirect to the properly titled page. If you scan through your source contributions there are a few other book sources that could be renamed as well. Thank you! --Jennifer (JBS66) 16:55, 13 January 2012 (EST)

I'll get to fixing mine, thanks : )--cthrnvl 13:28, 15 January 2012 (EST)

Contest up and running! [23 January 2012]

Hi Catherine, just wanted to let you know that the Genealogy Contest is listed on the WeRelate Main Page and is "up and running".. :)

If you can let me know what the contest is each week, I'll put it up in the "Did you Know" section, per Dallan's instructions.

Best Regards,

Jim:)--Delijim 12:40, 23 January 2012 (EST)

Woohoo! Thanks Jim : )--cthrnvl 13:40, 23 January 2012 (EST)

frank keiser [28 January 2012]

Wow! I'm so happy to find the info you posted on Henry Keiser--rings true. How did you find your information? I've only used familysearch.org so far; trying to flesh out some basics. I'm great-grandaughter of Frank Keiser and Mollie Buckles. I believe that Frank was born @1880 vs 1876. Frank and Mollie had 4 children----I don't have much info about them yet--can I add them to the tree?--Mfunk 18:42, 27 January 2012 (EST)

I'll answer on your talk page : ) --cthrnvl 19:56, 27 January 2012 (EST)

keiser [28 January 2012]

Sorry ---no I haven't been on ancestry.com-----seems you have more information than I do for Keisers. Really wish I could help Frank Keiser was married to Mollie and was my grandmother's father. I heard he was found beaten to death by railroad tracks. She subsequently went by her stepfather's name Joseph Bauer. I'm also fascinated with the Indian Schools...My g-g Mollie Buckles appears to have attended at Fort Shaw along with Lizzie Worth or Wirth who I believe was mother of Grant Smith who also married Mollie. I found an article about child artisans of the plains- they were from Fort Peck and Assiniboine. Mollie and Grant Smith had a son Thomas Grant Smith, my uncle. I'm told attended Haskill. My grandmother and her sister went to Indian School and my mother and siblings also attended Chemewa. As I understand it people had varied experiences at these schools------both positive and negative----I heard about the Civilize the savage method, cutting their hair when they beleived that was connection to heaven ( and their feet to the earth), forbidding them to speak their native tongue, use their given names...........then again, some true education happened in learning trades and useful skills. Still, children were ripped from their families, forced to integrate; often by starvation, being forced into less bountiful land. America's history not always so "beautiful for spacious skies" for many different people along the way. I still choose America; just saying. Forgive me, not sure how these pages work yet. I'm not one for reading directions first.--Mfunk 03:44, 28 January 2012 (EST)

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Contest [9 June 2012]

Hi Catherine,

Thanks so much for initiating the contest on WeRelate. My thoughts are that possibly you may consider including pages already on WeRelate every other week in the contest. There are many pages that are candidates for improvement including my own. Now I am working on a gedcom upload that I initiated in 2004. While improving my pages I found User:Aabh. The gedcom upload for this user includes unacceptable date formats and unacceptable surnames. The female pages are named by their married surname. This user seems to have researched their family but most of the good data is on Ancestry. Thanks for the contest. --Beth 23:05, 13 March 2012 (EDT)

Beth, that's an excellent idea - I hadn't even thought of that. : ) Catherine--cthrnvl 11:28, 14 March 2012 (EDT)

I was looking for how last week's page turned out, and it occurred to me it might be nice to see a list of past pages used in the contest. Is there such a thing? You could even list before and after versions if that's sufficiently inspirational ;-) --Amelia 14:11, 9 June 2012 (EDT)

Amelia - I do need to make a past winners list. Thanks for reminding me : ) --cthrnvl 14:58, 9 June 2012 (EDT)

I guess perhaps people do care about who won since it's a contest and all... I think the pages are more interesting though ;-) --Amelia 15:06, 9 June 2012 (EDT)

GEDCOM Export Ready [14 June 2012]

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Lydia Skaggs / Harman Indian marriages [25 September 2012]

Hi -- I see that you're the person who added "Tizah-neh" to Lydia Skagg's page (http://www.werelate.org/wiki/Person:Lydia_Skaggs_%282%29)... could you tell me where you found this information? I'm looking for the Indian(s) in my family woodpile, and believe that they are somewhere in the Harman line. Any help you can give would be welcome! Thanks -- LotteSV 23:25, 24 September 2012 (EDT)

I will respond on your talk page : ) --cthrnvl 15:41, 25 September 2012 (EDT)

Changes to Cornstalk's Family Pages [25 September 2012]

Hi Catherine, just noticed on my Watchlist that another User has made changes to Cornstalk's family pages and added a duplicate father with conflicting information. You might want to check these changes to see if they make sense... Since you've obviously done more research on this family, you might want to compare notes with the other User and resolve the differences...

Best regards, have a great week,

Jim:)--Delijim 08:24, 25 September 2012 (EDT)

That was me! I think Okowellos and Paxinosa were the same person - I should write that on the page, that I'm trying to sort it out. Trouble is their are 10 spellings for Okowellos, Paxinosa, and Shawnee. So this is hard, but fun! I'll make a note on the page so people know what I am doing. Oh wait, I see what you are saying about the duplicate parents - that person has contacted me and I will talk to them about collaborating. Thanks for the heads up : )--cthrnvl 15:38, 25 September 2012 (EDT)

Cornstalk, et. al. [26 September 2012]

Hi Catherine --

Not sure about John Wesley Reed, as I haven't done a lot of work on that line yet. My Reeds are Clarence <-- Alvader or Alvada <-- Prior P <-- John, all from the Stoddard, Missouri area.

At present, I'm trying to solve a family Indian mystery in my Harman line. I come down through Old Skygusta (http://www.werelate.org/wiki/Person:Heinrich_Harman_%282%29) --> Johan Adam Harman --> Susanna Harman --> Cynthia Harman. Family oral history says that Cynthia's father was an Indian, and the circumstantial evidence does suggest that her father was someone the family didn't want to claim (Susanna had Cynthia before she was married, and went to Pennsylvania to do it), but I haven't been able to track anything definitive down. I did recently discover that Louisa Harman, who came down through Mathias Tice Cutlif Harman (Skygusta's brother) married Thomas Christian, Cornstalk's son, and I was excited to see that Tice's mother, Lydia Skaggs, might also have Indian heritage (from your addition of the name Tizah-neh to her record). Since these are all Tazewell Harmans, that would establish that the Harmans in that area had something of a tradition of intermarriage, and might help me find out who Cynthia's father was. So! If you have any sources, please do share them.

On Cornstalk's parentage, it's very possible that White Fish was an Anglicized name given to Paxinosa. My research on him comes almost exclusively from other peoples' trees on Ancestry.com, so I would defer to whatever you've found out, as I'm sure it's almost certainly more reliable. I went ahead and merged my Cornstalk page with the existing one, omitting my somewhat shaky info.

Look forward to comparing notes!

LotteSV 21:55, 25 September 2012 (EDT) ___________________________________________________________________________________________

Oh my gosh! I am so glad to have found that group! I will definitely join.

An additional word on Cornstalk -- I remembered last night that I took his lineage from "Shawnee Heritage II" by Don Green. I have a .pdf of it if you'd like to have a copy. It might also be useful on the study group if no one there has found it yet.

LotteSV 13:49, 26 September 2012 (EDT)

Thanks Lotte, I purchased that book. It has been helpful. : ) --cthrnvl 14:43, 26 September 2012 (EDT)

Family Page needs review [25 October 2012]

Hi Catherine, I stumbled across a Family Page that you added that needs to be researched.

Emera Altizer and Anna Pitzer

I was working on the Pitzer family of Lancaster County, PA and Botetourt County, VA, and there is an Anna Mary Pitzer, daughter of Ulrich "Woolrich" Pitzer, born 1736 in Lancaster County that supposedly married Emera Altizer before 1769 as her first husband. Anna Mary married second, Michael Culman in 1783 (Botetourt County Marriage Records). You have Anna Mary (born 1756, 20 years later than the Familytreemaker site that contains this information) and Emera Altizer (born 1749 in Dutchess County, NY) as marrying "abt. 1757", but Emera would have been 8 years old and Anna Mary would have been 1 year old. Obviously something is incorrect. Could you check your files and see if you can find which date(s) need to be corrected.

Since you show Emera Altizer as living until 1819, this would mean that either 1) Emera and Anna Mary had divorced prior to her 2nd marriage to Michael Culman, or 2) Emera married a different Anna Pitzer than the one that married Culman.

I suspect that the birthdate that you have for Anna Pitzer (1757) may likely be the marriage date for Emera and Anna, but that would be just a guess, but this would also make Emera's birthdate still very problematic with a marriage date in 1757.

Please let me know what you find. I've added a "Questionable Information" template to their family page until we get to the bottom of these questions.

Best regards,

Jim--Delijim 09:58, 21 October 2012 (EDT)

It appears that I copied a typo from the Altizer website altizerfamily.com. Thanks for catching that! I'll contact them and also work on straightening out my Altizer entries. Thanks again : ) Catherine--cthrnvl 09:09, 25 October 2012 (EDT)

Altizerfamily.com has parents of Anna Marie Pitzer (1756-1850) as Michael Pitzer, b. 20 Feb 1734, d. 18 May 1822, Berkley County, Virginia (WVA) and Mother Sophia Charlotte Bashore, b. 24 Mar 1740, New Holland, Lancaster, Pennsylvania--cthrnvl 09:15, 25 October 2012 (EDT)

WR weekly contest [7 January 2013]

Hi Catherine dee,

I talked to Dallan recently about ways to increase the exposure for the Genealogy contests. You do a great job choosing timely and interesting people to feature. When the contest is updated weekly, the change is made to the Contest summary page of which only two users are watching. This information does get placed on the Home Page, but users are not notified of this because only the Contest summary page is updated.

One way we were thinking of increasing exposure would be posting a message on the Watercooler weekly for the next few weeks. This message could include a note asking users who are interested in the contest to please Watch the Contest Summary page for new weekly challenges. Is this something you might be able/interested in doing? If you have additional ideas, I'd love to hear them! Thanks, --Jennifer (JBS66) 10:15, 22 October 2012 (EDT)

Hi Catherine,

Thank you for taking on the work of doing the contest every week. I was wondering if there was a place to suggest people? That might ease your burden on finding people. One thing, I've noticed that you tend to do the recently deceased. One problem is that they often have living spouses, siblings, and children who are not themselves notable, so they brush quite close to the rule against living (the current entry appears to have multiple links that should be deleted). There are also probably a wider variety of sources available for those further in the past. Anyway, just some suggestions. Thanks --Amelia 18:00, 5 January 2013 (EST)

Also I wish you would consider my suggestion under Contest on your user page. I suggested that every other week you could possibly consider existing pages on WeRelate that need improvement. --Beth 18:52, 5 January 2013 (EST)

I am writing up my intentions for the contest which will answer these questions - gotta run to the acupuncturist - hopefully I will get that written up this evening. Thanks for your interest! --cthrnvl 14:30, 7 January 2013 (EST)

Cornstalk to Bean (and beyond) [10 March 2013]

--Mikvan52 18:33, 10 March 2013 (EDT)

Cornstalk to Bean (and beyond) [10 March 2013]

--Mikvan52 18:33, 10 March 2013 (EDT)

Cornstalk to Bean (and beyond) [11 March 2013]

HI Ms. Auvil!

Jesse Weber Bean (1817-1905) is my gg Uncle. I am building a tree for the Bean's on Geni. Through research I've found yours...

I am wondering if you be so kind as to help me by answering some questions:

Do you still feel that it can be disputed that Thomas Christian was a son of Elinipsico? Could you comment on what I've said in Thomas Christian's profile on GENi? Would you like me to give you credit for your research and indicate your name? Have you now read the "Mastin letters" and have they given you the ability to make a final determination of fact on this subject?

My entry on GENi.com: http://www.geni.com/people/Thomas-Christian-born-Kumskaka/6000000007300515662

When Chief Cornstalk and his son, Elinipsico, were murdered (1777), Thomas Mastin, and his wife Agnes, took in the orphans Kumskaka (renamed Thomas Bailey Christian), Low Hawk (renamed Hezekiah N. Whitt), Outhowwa Shokka Cornstalk, and Mountain Raven (renamed Sarah Mastin). Kumskaka was later placed with the Christian Family who changed Kumskaka's name to Thomas Christian.

see: http://www.werelate.org/wiki/User:Cthrnvl/RoughNotes

• The Thomas Mastin letters state that the orphans came to be

with him after the Cornstalk murders (Thomas' father and grandfather)

• Holston Past Finder, Issues 36-47 Holston Territory Geneological Society.

See http://en.rodovid.org/wk/Person:108722

It says: Sources 1.↑ First Census of the United States 1790 - Virginia p.100 2.↑ A History of Halifax County Virginia, Wirt Johnson Carrington. p24 - Name given as Thomas Masten the Magistrate 3.↑ Virginia Genealogical Society Quarterly Vol31, #4, p57 - Thomas Mustain, 400 acs Lunenburg Co. on both sides of Boplar Br, a Mill Cr,. adj Hugh Henry; 5 Feb 1753, p 42. 40 Shill. 4.↑ Virginia Genealogical Society Quarterly Vol 23, #1, 9 - Thomas and sons Avery and Jesse Mustain recorded as swearing Oath of Allegiance. 5.↑ Holston past finder, Issues 36-47 Holston Territory Genealogical Society - Archive repository for Mastin letters. Statements by Thomas Mastin/Mustain pertaining to the orphans he took in, left by the Cornstalks who were killed at the fort in 1777. "Thomas Mastin's papers for the orphans are found in Tennessee. (It states he raised 4 orphans) There is also one from Hezekiah Whitt in Virginia for the recognition of Thomas Christian as a Cornstalk orphan. Following the murder of Chief Cornstalk October 9, 1777, at Fort Randolpt, Point Pleasant, VA. now WV. A white-man friend, Thomas Mastin and his Indian wife, Agnes adopted 4 of his children. Cornstalk lived on the Saludy River. 6.↑ Holston Territory Genealogical Society - 1991Annual - Thomas MASTIN took our Thomas CHRISTIAN, Sr. under his wing when our Thomas was orphaned.”--Mikvan52 18:48, 10 March 2013 (EDT)

Wow, that's so interesting because I came to the Cornstalk story when I finally started to look into my Bean roots, lol. Because of DNA research I am now leaning to the idea that TBC was a white boy kidnapped by the Cornstalks. I do believe he was raised by the Cornstalks and then adopted by Thomas Mastin and his Indian wife (and the Indian culture identity was continued by her). I know for a fact that he married into a famous Long Hunter family and that is pretty interesting! I really enjoy the mystery! I need to write out all my thoughts about this, been really busy, but I will get to it ASAP and let you know when it is written. I'll answer each of your questions. Thanks for writing! Nice to meet you! your cousin, Catherine dee Auvil --cthrnvl 21:53, 10 March 2013 (EDT)

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Battle of Point Pleasant... [7 November 2013]

I'm working through a little bit of reorganization of the Battle of Point Pleasant content. I hope you won't mind. I'm going to consolidate the material from the pages "Category:The Battle of Point Pleasant" and "The Battle of Point Pleasant" into Category:Battle of Point Pleasant (which I've also placed in the "War" Category:Lord Dunmore's War. The eventual result will be that all the people who are indicated as being participants in that battle will pick up a Military fact as shown on the pages for Black Shawnee and William Bowen (the fact entry does double-duty as both the fact and an entry for the category). The two "The Battle of Point Pleasant" pages will be retired when all of their content is present on the new page and nothing else points at them. --jrm03063 03:31, 6 November 2013 (UTC)

I've eliminated the point pleasant article and am cutting away at the category named "THE Battle of Point Pleasant", in favor of the more customary "Battle of Point Pleasant". I didn't preserve category sort order for some of the initial adds, but am doing so now. I'll be sure to get them all sorted correctly before I declare victory. One of the things that I like about adding categories via facts, is that the assertion is more obvious - and therefore - subject to review. When I see the source that represents someone being present at the indicated battle, I'll indicate it in the military fact of the battle. Others however, were pretty much bare. I presume that someone more familiar with the relevant sources will be able to review the work after I'm through, to firm up the basis for declaring various folks as present and/or participating. --jrm03063 15:44, 7 November 2013 (UTC)

I just moved the last and deleted "Category:The Battle of Point Pleasant". So now, for all the participants, there's a military fact for the battle, which has the secondary property of adding them to this category. Hope you'll like it! --jrm03063 22:44, 7 November 2013 (UTC)

Contest Rules [6 April 2014]

Hi Catherine,

I've been working on the Genealogy contest this week. Perhaps it's atypical, however I've found Hazel (Hall) Sampson's ancestors even more interesting than the contest subject herself.

Would you consider granting contest points for work on relatives of the subject? After all, this is a genealogy site, not a biography site.

Cheers, --Prcb 19:02, 18 March 2014 (UTC)

That would be difficult for me right now because it would be hard to score. But if someone in the future assists me it could be a possibility. Glad you are enjoying the contest : ) --cthrnvl 01:47, 6 April 2014 (UTC)

Quillish Broughall Box [7 April 2014]

This type of box was commonly used to store important legal documents. Since both the names on the box are marked deceased we can be fairly certain that it did not belong to either of them. The most obvious candidate would therefore be their legal representative, and to share the same box they would have to be fairly closely connected. From the 1881 Census returns we know that Ann Quillish was living with her uncle, William Broughall in Hastings, Sussex, England. When William died in 1877 Ann was an executor along with Benjamin William Simpson of Simpson and Cullingford, Solicitors of 85 Gracechurch Street, London. When Ann died in 1899, Benjamin William Simpson was also one of the executors. Thus the box was probably the property of Simpson and Cullingford.--Btomp 01:15, 30 March 2014 (UTC)

So this would have been the box used after Ann died to contain the paperwork for both estates - do we have her will? Is there a name for these boxes? I'd like to search for similar images. This is the only box like this I have ever seen. thanks, --cthrnvl 02:04, 6 April 2014 (UTC)

It was probably in use before either of them died. I have always called them Deed Boxes and it seems that others have as well https://www.google.com/search?q=deed+box&rlz=1C1CHFX_enUS425US425&espv=2&es_sm=93&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ei=Rj5BU6HJMbPhsATXtILoDA&ved=0CAgQ_AUoAQ&biw=1920&bih=1032--Btomp 11:57, 6 April 2014 (UTC)

I mean't to say the will should be available using the Probate details I posted but it has not been digitized. http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/SearchUI/Details?uri=C1948233--Btomp 12:08, 6 April 2014 (UTC)

Daniel Christian - Military Service in the Civil War? [27 July 2014]

Did you ever come up with an answer to the question of Daniel Christian's military service in the Civil War? I too wondered at his age of enlistment. Is it possible it could be his brother Mastin's son Daniel instead? He would be of a more reasonable age to serve in the war.

By the way, I checked his records at Fold3. He was a deserter *rolls eyes*. Glad my father didn't get those genes in World War II!

Best,

Rose Ann

Researching Christian, Bailey, Harrison, Beavers, Sheppard, Kennedy, and just about anyone else breathing in Tazewell County VA/McDowell County WV--Jenny Genealogy 04:20, 26 July 2014 (UTC)

• I think that was brave of him to desert! I'll put him in a search at Ancestry and see what happens. --cthrnvl 01:10, 27 July 2014 (UTC)

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Genealogy Contest [8 June 2015]

Hi Catherine. I noticed that the Genealogy Contest feature has been on hiatus for almost a year, and just wondering if you plan to continue it or not. If not, I would be willing to assist with it or even manage it if you aren't able or don't plan to return to it. I'm retiring in about a month, so I'll have more time to get back to genealogy and my other interests. I think the contest is a unique feature of WeRelate and encourages people to accomplish good source work and learn effective on-line research methods. Let me know what you think. Thanks. --BobC 12:56, 27 April 2015 (UTC)

Hi BobC, thanks so much for messaging me about the contest. I just logged in to WeRelate after being gone for so long. Long story, but in short my partner had a stroke and we are STILL doing all kinds of rehab and we run his business. He is doing much better and the contest has been at the top of my list of things I would try to get back up as soon as I have time. I would love help with it but I do have two great ideas. I will launch one tomorrow morning and then if you want to launch some that sounds like fun. But I am thinking about making them longer than a week. What do you think? Watch for a new contest June 7th! thanks Catherine --cthrnvl 22:35, 6 June 2015 (UTC)

Welcome back. Glad to hear things are better. Good to see the contest active again. Take care. --BobC 12:16, 8 June 2015 (UTC)

Captain John smith born 1698 [2 October 2020]

Catherine,

Hello my name is Terri Wiseman smith and Captain John smith born 1698 is mine and my husbands 7th Great grandfather. Do you know who his parents are? I have seen that his parents were name Daniel Smith and Rebecca Prime. Johns son Daniel is our 6th great grandfather, I have seen the two wills that John smith left, but I am trying to find his sons Daniel smiths will. Can you help me locate Daniels Will. There is a reason that I ask this. I know that the smiths owned slaves and I think that they put some of their slaves written in daniels will. I think I saw daniels will, but now I can’t find it, but I thought that I saw one of their slaves name was Ned. Also ancestry shows that Daniels son Jonathan Smith is mine and my husbands 5th great grandfather, Jonathan smith married Elizabeth Wood, daughter of Thomas Wood and Elizabeth Stovall and Jonathan and Elizabeth smith had a son named Robert Mccoy Smith Who married Belinda Goode and Robert and Belinda are mine and my husbands 4th great grandparents, here is where it splits out to my line and my husbands line of smiths, Robert and Belinda son John Mansfield Smith is my 3rd great grandfather and he married my 3rd great grandmother Lucretia Harrison daughter of John Cristman Harrison and Diannah Fisher. Johns younger brother Columbus Monroe Smith is my husbands 3rd great grandfather and my 4th Great uncle, he married Phoebe Bethien Grant She was the daughter of Andrew Alexander Grant, Phoebe is suppose to be related to General Grant, I think second cousins. If you need more information please let me know.

Mrs. Terri L. Smith--Terrismith2020 16:29, 2 October 2020 (UTC)