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Beatrijs

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unknown father [7 August 2012]

My grandmother Hendrika Fennema was not married. How can I start a new page with her born daughter, my mother? The system asks me to name the husband, but I don't know his name at all. Can you help? Kind regards from Beatrijs.--Beatrijs 05:27, 7 August 2012 (EDT)

Ik vermoed, dat we ook in het Nederlands kunnen communiceren. Als de vader onbekend is, vul je alleen maar de moeder in. Dan wordt vanuit het systeem automatisch unknown toegevoegd nadat je de familiepage gesaved hebt.--Klaas (Ekjansen) 05:41, 7 August 2012 (EDT)

I already saved Hendrika Fennema with her parents. Do I start a whole new page with her daughter?

The familypage for Hendrika Fennema is already existent so you can just click on Spouse and Children and then Add child. You can enter the data for Sjieuwke Fennema there.--Klaas (Ekjansen) 07:00, 7 August 2012 (EDT)

Plaatsen [7 August 2012]

Als WeRelate de plaats niet direct met de juiste variant 'aanbiedt' dan is het nodig verder te zoeken, dus bij Amsterdam kun je verder zoeken door Amsterdam, Noord in te typen en dan komt de juiste plaats. Na een paar keer kom je snel achter deze specialiteiten van WeRelate.--Klaas (Ekjansen) 05:44, 7 August 2012 (EDT)

Talk page for discussions [4 November 2012]

Hallo Beatrijs ik heb jouw text bij Klaaske Bonsma bedoeld voor allefriezen van de persoonspagina verplaatsd naar de talk page. Alle discussies over verkeerde gegevens kunnen daar gevoerd worden, de persoonspagina zou anders te onoverzichtelijk worden. --Klaas 07:01, 4 November 2012 (EST)

Heel goed idee Klaas, bedankt en groeten van--Beatrijs 15:26, 4 November 2012 (EST)

Klaaske Douwes Hellinga [19 January 2014]

Thanks for the merge. --GayelKnott 04:48, 20 January 2014 (UTC)

Next step: Review your GEDCOM [15 August 2015]

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‎BK 4737 names 2507 families 12.8.2015 Gedcom.GED [6 September 2015]

I took a look at your GEDCOM file. It appears there are more families that need to be matched before it can be imported. If you go to the Family Matches tab, and click on the "Matched Page" column header, it will sort by that column. Then, you can scroll to see those that are unmatched grouped together. If you have any questions you can post here, I'll be watching :) --Jennifer (JBS66) 10:21, 2 September 2015 (UTC)

Re: Johannes Cornelis Bakker & Antje Hendriks Kniepstra. Can you please have a look at that couple to be merged? It seems that there are other names : Cornelis Bakker & Antje v.d. Woude attached to this couple, which makes merging impossible.

Re: Meindert Meyer & Maaike Raap. Can you please have a look at that couple to be merged? It seems that there is another Meindert Meyer & Rinske Raap attached, which makes merging impossible.

Re: Gerrit Kerstma & Hielkje Oosten. Can you please have a look at this couple to be merged? It seems that there is Jan Kerstma en Hielkje Oosten attached, which makes merging impossible.

Thanks Jennifer! Regards from--Beatrijs 22:47, 4 September 2015 (UTC)

You did exactly the right thing - you marked these pages as "Not a match". The system sometimes chooses matches that are not accurate. I went ahead and imported your file. --Jennifer (JBS66) 12:28, 6 September 2015 (UTC)

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Re: merging families [12 September 2015]

Hi, Beatrijs. I got your message about merging families. Not to worry, you are doing the right thing. I usually check the Duplicates list once a week to see what needs to be merged. (The list is generated by the computer.) It was obvious that you were working to merge a number of families. I hope you don't mind that I merged a few more. Hopefully most of the "clean up" after GedCom upload is done. Gayel --GayelKnott 18:36, 12 September 2015 (UTC)

To GayelKnott: the letter "Y" in the death notification has to be removed when you see it. It is a left over of the gedcom from JBS66, so please don't put that one back as an "alt", thanks Gayel! Regards from

--Beatrijs 06:49, 22 December 2015 (UTC)

Merge [28 March 2016]

Hi Beatrijs

It took me a while to find the family you referred to, Family:Riekele Hoeksma and Klaaske de Haan (1), as an administrator I often make hundreds of edits a day.

The family had turned up on the possible duplicates page you had, I think, created Family:Riekele Hoeksma and Klaaske de Haan (2) but an earlier creation with very few details in existed, just 2 people and a date of marriage. To see what happened you can look at the history link in the left side bar of the family and compare the two versions of before and after. In an obvious case I just merge the pages though if there is any doubt I usually post a message on the page to ask anyone watching to check first. Sorry if this caused any confusion.

On another matter I have Cecilia de Haan, born about 1833 in my tree, married Jacob Pot about 1850, I must get back to researching my nederland line.--Rhian 08:52, 25 March 2016 (UTC)

Sorted out my 'de haan's', they came to Nederland from Luxemburg and settled in Noord Holland. On another matter did you see the message on Family:Pieter Boorsma and Geeltje Dijkstra (2)'s page? --Rhian 07:38, 28 March 2016 (UTC)

Hommema: Are We Related? [27 aug 2016]

I see you working with many people connected to the Hommemas. My 4g-grandmother was Baukje Hessels Hommema. Are we related? (I understand many people on WR work on families not their own, but it looks to me like you are invested in this family.) --pkeegstra 10:50, 11 April 2016 (UTC)

I used to have the Hommemas in my tree, but they were family of distant (aangetrouwde) family members and so I deleted them, the tree was getting far too big. Since they are to be found in WeRelate, I follow and update them again. We do have other Dutch names in common I believe. Kind regards from --Beatrijs

Interesting that the Hommemas are related to me via my mother, but the Kamps and van der Werffs we are both working on now are related to me via my father. So we may be double cousins. (His paternal grandmother was Hinke Kamp.) --pkeegstra 11:51, 29 May 2016 (UTC)

I think that we are related not only through the Hommemas...

Thanks! I think that makes you my first relative in Australia!

Welcome!!!

BTW, I think for Ate Pytters and Froukjen Sjoerds, if we call the event 'confirmation' (belijdenis/profession of faith) instead of 'christening' it won't get construed as the date of birth. --pkeegstra 11:48, 30 May 2016 (UTC)

Sounds like a very good idea!

Just an idea about "See sources on family page" from Person:Geeske Zwerver (1); if that is moved from the sources list to the free text area one loses the ability to connect that to specific events. (I'm not sure how important that is, but it is a difference.) --pkeegstra 10:27, 24 May 2016 (UTC)

Good morning! I have a question about the formatting of the dates on We relate.org. Instruction on this website about the dates says : for instance 3 Feb 2016 and not 3 FEB 2016. I started to correct the dates accordingly whenever working on we relate but notice that not everybody seems to follow this rule. Shall I keep on changing? (I don't mind!) Like to hear your comment on it.. kind regards from Beatrijs

I think I updated the rule based on discussions at the old Overview Committee, and my intent was not to disallow any of the 3 cases 'Jan', 'JAN', or 'jan'. Some Dutch posters prefer the third, and some GEDCOM files come in as the second. Any new branch I create I use the first, but if working on an existing branch I most often match the existing style. I see that this is on the agenda for the first meeting of the reconstituted Overview Committee. --pkeegstra 11:48, 30 May 2016 (UTC)

Hi i am one of those Dutch posters :-) Recently i found out about the date format. I think it should be easy for @Dallan to display a preferred format such that new users will see what the input format should be. This is separate from the input itself. I mean: i can have my gedcom download from WR exactly the way i typed it in (27 aug 2016), and still see on the WR page the preferred format (27 Aug 2016). I also noted that when i use the dutch month names (e.g.: mei) the system doesn't understand, i noticed because of the sorting of dates) Best regards, Ron woepwoep 07:12, 27 August 2016 (UTC)

Thanks for your comment. I personally see this website as very international and I try to accommodate a common language: English, which almost everybody can understand. Beatrijs

Stienstra Family [21 September 2016]

Thank you for working with me to do the Stienstra family. Especially, thank you for looking up the Graftombe details, since I'm not sure my Dutch is adequate to use that site. My next project is back in Groningen, where I'm working on two families that connect with the wife of medical missionary Lee Huizinga and their granddaughter astronaut Shannon Lucid via the Bolts. BTW, I know the header line I put in my transcripts (e.g. "Geboorteakte Ferwerderadeel 1868 Aktenummer 79") is redundant with the standard fields in the citation, but it makes the transcript a complete document on its own. --pkeegstra 11:02, 21 September 2016 (UTC)

sources standards [6 January 2017]

hi Beatrijs,

i use a self-made sources text, a copy from geldersarchief.nl now i see you use a template yourself. i like both.

what to do?

example: Margarethus Meilink

Thx, Ron woepwoep 21:35, 4 January 2017 (UTC)

Hoi Ron, yes I noticed the different templates we use. It has been my understanding that the sources are to be filled out in the relating fields, at least as much as possible, see person:Margarethus Meilink - my version The way geldersarchief has set up the template, shows Burgelijke Stand 2x; Naam/overledene + datum 2x; Doopplaats is overbodig (zie geboorte-doopakte); Geslacht is overbodig, established in the geboorte-doopakte; Aktesoort N - niet nodig.

The template of WeRelate is much more overzichtelijker I think. Looking forward to your comments, Ron. Regards from

I gave it a try - see Elebattus Kluvers baptism record. You can edit and i see in the diff how it's done. thx R--woepwoep 10:23, 5 January 2017 (UTC)

Hi Ron, See S3 Baptism Elebattus Kluvers ter vergelijking, = precise and shorter I think. We can remove that one later if you want.. Regards

I don't know about this. Shorter yes, but i like the text from GeldersArchief.nl Or a transcript from the original source, if available.

It 's more work to fill the different entries than to just copy/paste the raw data in the text field. So hope you don't mind that i stay with my own standard. Feel free to add the index fields as you see fit.

Thx, Ron--woepwoep 05:16, 6 January 2017 (UTC) No worries Ron :-)

Toldijk, Gelderland, Netherlands [7 October 2017]

Nearest place is Steenderen. When I try to enter Toldijk, the system cannot find it, when I wanted to add the town, it seems to be entered already. Can anybody help me please. Thanks - Beatrijs--Beatrijs 07:38, 6 January 2017 (UTC)

"Voor de gemeentelijke herindeling behoorde Toldijk tot de gemeente Steenderen." Source: https://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toldijk

So this means Toldijk, Steenderen, Gelderland, Netherlands. woepwoep 15:44, 6 January 2017 (UTC)

Hi Ron, yes I tried that before, but the whole address comes up in red, that means that this place has not been registered or saved in WR. Are you able to fix this problem? See Hendrika Johanna Jenneke Kluvers. I am talking about "the Burgelijke Stand" Thank you - Beatrijs 7 Jan 2017

Toldijk is a dorp and has never been an independant gemeente; the Burgerlijke Stand is kept in Steenderen. So the citation should reference the source page Steenderen, Gelderland, Netherlands. Burgerlijke Stand; the way S1 is presently configured on the person page Elibertus Jan Kluvers is correct. --pkeegstra 23:48, 6 January 2017 (UTC)

Hello Pkeegstra! Thanks so much for this information! In the meantime I had entered Steenderen, just so I could go ahead with the rest of the birth registration. I am glad you approve of that.

P.S. One of my dear friends is a direct descendant of Elibertus Jan Kluvers, and she would be very interested to discover that other researchers are interested in her family. Particularly since she is not aware of many relatives in any of her lines here in North America. --pkeegstra 23:48, 6 January 2017 (UTC)

Good morning Pkeegstra! She will be surprised knowing that another researcher from the Netherlands, living in Australia is dealing with her relatives. If there is anything you want me to say to your friend, I am happy to communicate (as good as I can). Kind regards from Beatrijs (PS do I have to put "User" in front of my name?)

Because it mention living persons and emails, I sent you a message by WeRelate email. If you want your name to be a link to your user page, you can write [[User:Beatrijs|Beatrijs]] and it will look like Beatrijs. To generate the signature, you may press the eighth button above the edit box and the system will insert --~~~~, and when you save the page the system will convert that to a standard signature like the one for this paragraph. --pkeegstra 11:40, 9 January 2017 (UTC)

Beatrijs--Beatrijs 19:25, 7 October 2017 (UTC)

About the name Cuneira [11 August 2017]

Cuniera Hanecroot was the first wife of my 5g grandfather Hessel Lolkes Hommema and the daughter of a minister. She presumably died in childbirth with her third child. Her oldest son named a daughter Cuniera Lolkes Hommema. Her husband also named one of his daughters by his second wife Cuniera Hessels Hommema (my nth great aunt). Apparently the name survived longer in the latter line, even though there was no direct genetic connection to Cuneira Hanecroot. (Last example I could find was Cunira Roedema born 1850, my second cousin n times removed.) --pkeegstra 10:44, 11 August 2017 (UTC)

Using Unknown [31 January 2021]

Hi Beatrijs, You recently changed 'doodgeboren' into person:Unknown Jansma (1).
This change triggered me to search for a WeRelate standard for naming stillborn children.
It seems there isn't one, but HERE I found a discussion on this subject.
There you can see that many users feel that 'Unknown' is ambigious.
In the list of other variations for nameless persons, levenloos stands out as most often used. Therefore I propose to use 'levenloos' for children stillborn in the Netherlands, from now on. It makes sense as it is the word used in the overlijdensregisters in Dutch civil registry.
Kind regards,--diba 12:58, 28 August 2017 (UTC)

diba, The point of the discussion you referenced is that "leveloos" is NOT considered a good choice for a stillborn child. If the child has no given name, leave the given name field blank, or, alternatively, enter Unknown, as Beatrijs did. You can enter "doodgeboren" or "leveloos" in a note. --GayelKnott 16:09, 28 August 2017 (UTC) Thanks for the update Gayel, kind regards from Beatrijs

i use NN as the first name. Most often the birth record specifies the sex (male or female). woepwoep 08:34, 31 January 2021 (UTC)

Adolf Vellema [7 October 2017]

Hallo Beatrijs, het is 1993. Heb de rouwadvertentie opgezocht.--K. Schwantz 14:59, 6 October 2017 (UTC)

Hartelijk bedankt, ik zal jouw data doorgeven aan Cor (www.graftombe.nl) MVG Beatrijs, 7 October 2017

Graag gedaan. Wat is je mailadres? Dan stuur ik een foto van de rouwadvertentie. --K. Schwantz 20:45, 6 October 2017 (UTC)

dat is echt lief van je! Mijn mail adres is beatrijs466@gmail.com bedankt! 8 October 2017 3.25 am Beatrijs

kan je me ook a.u.b. vertellen op welk digit ik moet drukken om het datum achter mijn signature te laten zien? Moet ik elke keer "User Beatrijs" vermelden? Alvast bedankt! Beatrijs

Ik heb je een mail gestuurd. --K. Schwantz 18:49, 7 October 2017 (UTC) Het is 2 maal -- en 4 ~~ ~~ --K. Schwantz 18:49, 7 October 2017 (UTC)

Beatrijs--Beatrijs 19:42, 7 October 2017 (UTC)

Help Kevin please: waarom krijg ik mijn naam dubbel, kan je het a.u.b. verbeteren? Bedankt!!

Pieter Ates van der Werff [4 December 2017]

Pieter Ates van der Werff is an interesting person. Three of his four grandparents are my direct ancestors.

• Wytze Tjebeles Kamp and Harmke Hendriks Steenbergen 4g grandparents
• Hinke Ates van Veen 3g grandmother
• Pieter Ates van der Werff step 3g grandfather

In addition to that, Tjitske Baron is a direct relative of good friends from church. Even more interesting is that their son-in-law Folkert Douwes Algra is also related to those friends. Any chance you can find one or more of the children of Folkert and Metje meeting the criteria for having a WR page? I just scanned the overlijdensakten online and didn't see any. --pkeegstra 11:45, 27 November 2017 (UTC)

It is a small world! Most of these individuals mentioned here also belong to my family. So far I have not found any children of Folkert and Metje. Kdrost is very good with finding articles in newspapers, I hope he can have a look for you... Beatrijs

That would be appreciated.

'KEVIN, would you be able to have a look in the newspapers, I am very ignorant regarding searching in LC! Thanks a lot in advance!! Beatrijs Italic text'''Bold text

Didn't we decide you also had a connection to my mother via the Hommemas?  BTW, note that the stepson of Minke Hanzes Knol (the sister-in-law of 
Wytze Jans Kamp) marries my Dad's great-aunt Hinke Kamp (grandmother of my genealogist double cousin Joel Bergsma).  --pkeegstra 21:31, 3 December 2017 (UTC)

WOW that's quite extraordinary! I really have to thank the late cousin of my mother: Wybe Fennema who has done so much to get my family's history on paper. If you ever come to the Netherlands again, you can find his work at the CBG and at TRESOAR. He also provided pictures. I was very lucky to have found somebody in my extended family, who lives in Leeuwarden, to make copies of the for me interesting pages. I am forever grateful for her help! More and more is to be found now on the internet, but sadly without the private documentations, Wybe had to offer. --beatrijs--Beatrijs 00:32, 4 December 2017 (UTC)

Jan Koops Knobbe [16 January 2018]

I think we have to go by the explicit record in the doepboek for the birth and baptism of Jan Koops Knobbe rather than the age at death. Since he did not die in his birth gemeente, the age given in the overlijdensakte is totally dependent on the knowledge of the comparant. Note in particular that his age given in his second marriage (where he was present to confirm) is indeed consistent with a birth in 1764. --pkeegstra 11:02, 16 January 2018 (UTC) Agreed and changed data back to 1764 --beatrijs--Beatrijs 11:22, 16 January 2018 (UTC)

Thanks! I listed the overlijdens getuigen. Both are much younger, and I do not see an obvious family connection, so it is plausible that their information might not be reliable. --pkeegstra 11:35, 16 January 2018 (UTC)

I created pages for the two getuigen, and it doesn't look like either of them was a close relative of Jan Koops Knobbe. --pkeegstra 15:55, 22 January 2018 (UTC)

Month Spelling and Overijssel [22 January 2018]

I'm sure it looks strange to see early 19th century month spellings with late 20th century month capitalization the way I do transcripts, but I figured 19th century month capitalization would look even stranger. I could change my transcript format to use consistent early 19th century months if that would be less distracting.

Also, considering the number of Oudehaske residents who moved there from churchbook-era Overijssel, it looks like one or both of us will want to become familiar with Overijssel churchbooks. Fortunately they are on FamilySearch and indexed on zoekakten: Overijssel index and Giethoorn index. --pkeegstra 15:53, 22 January 2018 (UTC)

Antje Viersen-Banga [11 April 2018]

Hi, our great-aunt really died in southern years. Antje Viersen-Banga her death was not in Holwerd. the 3rd source you also have to stand "Antje Banga 75 years old died on 07-03-1954, married. Deceased in Zuidlaren". Why do you choose that her alternative death is in Holwerd?--Kdrost 19:09, 7 April 2018 (UTC)

Hi, this is the death registration of Antje Banga in Westdongeradeel. Mentioned is of course that she died in Zuidlaren. Beatrijs--Beatrijs 02:00, 8 April 2018 (UTC)

Yes, the death registration was in Westdongeradeel. But why if her death place is Zuidlaren, do you make alienive place of death Holwerd?--Kdrost 10:15, 8 April 2018 (UTC)

zij woonde in Holwerd, stierf in Zuidlaren. mvg Beatrijs--Beatrijs 01:27, 10 April 2018 (UTC)

Overlijdensregister 1954 Bron: BS Overlijden Soort registratie: Overlijdensakte Aktedatum: 12-03-1954

Bijzonderheden: Overleden te Zuidlaren

Overledene Antje Banga 75 jaar oud, overleden op 07-03-1954 Diversen: gehuwd

Vader Sjoerd Jans Banga Moeder Albertje Abes van Duinen

Bronvermelding Overlijdensregister 1954, archiefnummer 30-40, Burgerlijke Stand Westdongeradeel - Tresoar, inventarisnummer 3083, aktenummer 018

Usually this means that she must have lived in Westdongeradeel, but died in Zuidlaren.

Gemeente: Westdongeradeel Periode: 1954

Beatrijs, here (Trientje Ritzema from Province Groningen) is an example of how I explicitly encode double death sources using explicit death registration events as I learned from user Bensinnema. (If you would like to see another example I could add those events to the page for Antje Banga so it looks like that. I see the duplicate death event has already been fixed.) --pkeegstra 10:35, 9 April 2018 (UTC)

Pkeegstra, The entry for Antje Banga was made correctly by me (as it is seen) but KDrost did not understand why Westdongeradeel should be mentioned at all. That's why the whole discussion took place.Beatrijs--Beatrijs 14:29, 9 April 2018 (UTC)

Actually, he was correct. Westdongeradeel is not the place of death, it is the place for the death registration because it is her usual residence. I was suggesting a way to represent that in WR. --pkeegstra 10:36, 10 April 2018 (UTC)

Pkeegstra: ok i got this picture: Loppersum is still mentioned, but under a different reference: "other". In Banga's case it is Holwerd that should be mentioned under the reference "other", but not as the town of death, correct? Beatrijs--Beatrijs 01:43, 11 April 2018 (UTC)

Yes, other > death registration with the date matching the aangiftedatum. The place should actually be the gemeente as the registration happened at the gemeentehuis. I suppose since her date of death was the last day she was considered to reside in Holwerd you could create a residence event at Holwerd for the date of her death too. I added these events. KDrost, do you agree that the events I added make sense? --pkeegstra 09:43, 11 April 2018 (UTC)

Tietje Everts Sikma 1859 - 1948 [11 April 2019]

Hallo Beatrijs,

nachdem Du auch fließend Deutsch sprichst, benutze ich auch meine Muttersprache. Niederländisch verstehe und lese ich, habe aber mit der Rechtschreibung Probleme.

Mein Ehenann, Johannes Brouwer, ist ein Urenkel von Tiete Everts Sikma über Antje Postma-Sikma. Seine Mutter, Tietje Brouwer-de Vries hat viele Daten gesammelt, die Quellen aber nicht verzeichnet. Danke für die Ergänzungen.--Ingbro 12:31, 11 April 2019 (UTC)

Hallo Ingbro,

gerne getan, immer bereit zu helfen. MfG Beatrijs--Beatrijs 15:17, 11 April 2019 (UTC)

[18 March 2020]

hi,

is Person:Joost Miersma (3) related to you? he is my greatgreatgrandfather :)

Henk--HenkCS 15:36, 17 March 2020 (UTC)

Hi Henk, I am not sure, would have to go back in time, but I think that the family history of Paulus Minnes van der Veer crosses my family at some stage. Would be nice to find a connection! --Beatrijs 06:42, 18 March 2020 (UTC)

wijziging Wytse Jansma: waarom? [8 August 2020]

Hi Beatrijs,

gisteren heb ik wat kleine aanvullingen gedaan in de familie Jansma

vanochtend een hele stapel mails met veranderingen die jij vannacht aanbracht.

die ga ik niet allemaal controleren, want de familie Jansma is voor mij niet zo belangrijk (zwager) en ik heb veel tijd nodig voor andere families

maar ik heb de eerste wel bekeken en zag dat je bij Wijtse de source voor geboorte/doop had verwijderd. Waarom? Ik heb het gecontroleerd op allefriezen.nl en volgens mij was het wel de juiste bronvermelding.

met vriendelijke groet, Dick Barnhoorn--diba 11:31, 7 August 2020 (UTC)

Hallo Dick, om welke Wytze gaat het? Ik heb geen veranderingen aangebracht by Wytze, (getrouwd met Janneke Lanting,) alleen maar een aanvulling, n.l. zijn beroep: poldermolenaar. en de source van overlijden. Bij de meeste namen van Jansma heb ik geen veranderingen gemaakt, alleen maar aanvullingen, dus is er weinig te controleren, want jouw gegevens zijn nog steeds hetzelfde. Met vriendelijke groeten --Beatrijs 12:49, 7 August 2020 (UTC) Dag Beatrijs, Misschien vergis ik me (niet heel veel ervaring met WeRelate) maar deze link stond in de email: View the changes: https://www.werelate.org/w/index.php?title=Person:Wijtze_Jansma_%281%29&diff=0&oldid=26008014 Hallo Dick, het is een raadsel! Ik ben teruggegaan naar de originele veranderingen en heb vastgesteld, dat op de dag van mijn aanvullingen, de sources van geboorte en doop zijn verdwenen. Ik ben de laatste persoon die deze data zou laten verdwijnen. Ik zal naar de andere aanvullingen kijken of daar hetzelfde probleem is opgetreden. Verder wou ik je bedanken voor de bijdragen voor de familie Jansma. Dat is het fijne van deze website, we kunnen allemaal een steentje bijdragen. Met vriendelijke groeten van --Beatrijs 03:58, 8 August 2020 (UTC)

Ik meen daar te zien dat de source voor de doop door jou was verwijderd; ik heb die inmiddels weer toegevoegd. No problem, maar ik vroeg me af: waarom? vriendelijke groeten, Dick

Tjeerd Cobus van Dijk [18 October 2020]

Oudheusden, 18 oktober 2020

Beste Beatrijs, Ik heb uw naam op de site werelate.org gevonden. Daarom een vraag aan u. Ik zou graag nog wat verder willen zoeken. Van de vader en grootvader van Tjeerd Cobus van Dijk heb ik al de nodige gegevens. Maar niet alles. Mischien wilt u mijn gegevens wel hebben. Dan kunnen we samen uw gegevens met die van mij uitwisselen.

Wilt u mij dan terug mailen?

Bij voorbaat mijn dank.

Met vriendelijke groet,

Joop van Dijk Van Deelenstraat 173 5156AP OUDHEUSDEN e-mail: Joop@vreecom.nl--AdamHeusden 14:41, 18 October 2020 (UTC)

Borger (Kuiken) Family [7 November 2020]

It seems that this entire family was never Kuiken. Should we rename them all to Borger?

I see you already disconnected Marten. I agree that there is no evidence for his existence. Should his page be deleted?

--pkeegstra 15:32, 7 November 2020 (UTC)

Events before birth [12 June 2021]

Hi, Beatrijs

I wrote a report to find pages with events before birth and found about 3300 pages. For 10 of them, you were the last contributor (although possibly only indirectly through an update to a related page). I was wondering if you could take a look at these pages and fix them. I know it would be better if I could identify who created or is watching the page, but my report only has access to the last contributor. I'm hoping you'll help out even if you were not responsible for the typo or other error. Thanks --DataAnalyst 14:50, 30 May 2021 (UTC) (Janet)

Person:Riemke Rijpma (1)
Person:Antje Hiemstra (10)
Person:Atje Wiersma (3)
Person:Piebe Laverman (1)
Person:Willem Boomsma (4)
Person:Wytske Procee (2)
Person:Grietje Kempenaar (7)
Person:Tjamkje van der Werf (1)
Person:Antje Visser (99)
Person:Cornelia Zoutendyk (1)

Hi Janet, I am more than happy to help out and started off with Riemke Rijpma today. As soon as I have more time I will continue with the next one. Kind regards from--Beatrijs 22:48, 30 May 2021 (UTC)

Thanks so much, Beatrijs.--DataAnalyst 02:27, 31 May 2021 (UTC)

All done --Beatrijs 17:04, 31 May 2021 (UTC)

Hi Janet,

If you have got more data with errors in the Netherlands, you can let me know and I will try fixing them. Bye for now --Beatrijs 17:04, 31 May 2021 (UTC)

Oh, Beatrijs, thanks so much for offering. There are a number of pages created by (or last updated by) Herman34, who you probably know is deceased. At least some of these are from the Netherlands, although probably not all. If you could work on this list, I would really appreciate it. Thanks.--DataAnalyst 17:30, 31 May 2021 (UTC)

Person:Geert Roukema (1)
Person:Cornelis van den Akker (4)
Person:Rimmert Brouwer (1)
Person:Anne Zijlstra (15)
Person:Riemke de Jong (3)
Person:Pier Alta (4)
Person:Cornelius van Oss (1)
Person:Jacob Zijlstra (22)
Person:Pier Attema (11)
Person:Jacoba Bakker (4)
Person:Wypkjen Reen (1)
Person:Lambertus Molenaar (1)
Person:Petrus Postma (2)
Person:Janna Ulberg (1)
Person:Sijs Renema (1)
Person:Teerd Overal (1)
Person:Anne Hofman (3)
Person:Gerrigje de Bruin (1)
Person:Douwe Hessels (1)
Person:Lolkjen Huitema (1)
Person:Frans Smits (2)
Person:Fenna Weggemans (1)
Person:Nieske Zijlstra (1)
Person:Freerk Wouters (3)
Person:Baukje Kroontje (2)
Person:Gloria Rozema (1)
Person:Jannetje Lourents (1)
Person:Boukje Keetelaar (1)
Person:Ynze Scheffer (1)
Person:Arie Nagel (5)
Person:Eeke Koster (1)
Person:Murkje Folkertsma (1)
Person:Minze Tolsma (1)
Person:Lammichje Santing (1)
Person:Grietje Kersten (1)
Person:Jan Notting (3)
Person:Aukje Souverein (1)
Person:Janke de Boer (6)
Person:Joanna Sengers (1)
Person:Lammegien Harms (1)
Person:Sjoerd Politiek (1)
Person:Antje de Haas (1)
Person:Willem Bruinsma (2)
Person:Johannes Roos (6) ✓

Hi Janet, No I did not know that Herman34 has died and as a side comment, I hardly know the people on the left, very regrettable I think! To mention a few I never had contact with: DFree and AdamHeusden. Why are there some names in red? What does that mean?--Beatrijs 05:49, 1 June 2021 (UTC)

Hi. If a user name is in red, it means they never created a user profile. They have a Talk page, but no main User page. --DataAnalyst 12:53, 1 June 2021 (UTC)

Hi Janet, thanks for the info.--Beatrijs 15:57, 1 June 2021 (UTC)

Hi Janet, I think that all names above are corrected now. Did you find more, or is this it? Kind regards --Beatrijs 10:39, 8 June 2021 (UTC)

Hi. That's all for now, but there may be more later. Thanks, so much.--DataAnalyst 02:24, 13 June 2021 (UTC)

Isolated pages without dates [12 September 2021]

Hi, Beatrijs

I found a number of pages you uploaded that have no connections, or just the name of a spouse, and no dates. These pages are of little value on WeRelate, since in most cases it isn't possible to tell who they are. Do you want to take a look at these, or do you want me to just delete them? You can also delete them yourself. If you want to keep any, be sure to add dates so we can be sure they are deceased. Thanks.--DataAnalyst 02:23, 13 June 2021 (UTC)

Person:Anna Jans (22)
Person:Antje Jans (136)
Person:Antje Klaver (20)
Person:Arnoldus de Fretes (1)
Person:Arnoldus de Fretes (2)
Person:Edward Solomon (4)
Person:Grietje Riemersma (12)
Person:Grietje Wassenaar (11)
Person:Hoyte IJsbrands (1)
Person:Hyltje Hoogterp (2)
Person:Jan Ley (2)
Person:Jelle Bloemsma (2)
Person:Jelle Slager (7)
Person:Johannes van der Meer (10)
Person:Lubbe Klaver (6)
Person:Maaike van der Ley (1)
Person:Saapke Zoodsma (2)
Person:Sjoukje Dekhuizen (1)
Person:Sjoukje Nauta (2) https://www.werelate.org/wiki/Person:Sjoukje_Ypes_%281%29
Person:Tetje Boyenga (1)
Person:Tjalling de Boer (3)
Person:Trijntje Tomas (4)
Person:Ytje Wybes (3)

Thanks so much for cleaning all of those up. I noticed you created another isolated page with no dates this summer: Person:Tytje Rintjema (1). Is this a duplicate of Person:Tetje Rintjema (1)? If so, please merge or delete her page. If not, can you add info, or should I just delete the page? Thanks.--DataAnalyst 14:41, 12 September 2021 (UTC) Please delete the page, thanks Janet --Beatrijs 23:11, 12 September 2021 (UTC)

Merge instead of unlink [19 June 2021]

Hi, Beatrijs

I notice that sometimes you do the following:

• add a page for a person when a page already exists
• add the person's existing marriage page to your new person page
• remove the existing person page that was in the marriage already

For example, this is what it looks like you recently did for Sybren Piers van der Let. There was already a page for Sijberen Piers Van Det Let, married to Teetske Sijmens Kok.

The result is that:

• there are 2 pages for the same person
• the original page is left without context
• the person who created the original page isn't watching the new page that is now linked to the spouse

All of these are undesirable outcomes.

I would suggest:

• When you create a new page, look beyond the first page or two in the search results, especially when there is the possibility of a discrepancy between "y" and "ij".
• If you spot a possible match, check the spouse(s) to see if it is the person you want to add. If so, use the existing page instead of creating a new one. If you want to add an alternate spelling, you can do so.
• If you find out too late that you created a duplicate (we all make mistakes), instead of disconnecting the existing page from the family page, merge it with the new one you created.

If you follow these steps, we can avoid the undesirable outcomes listed above. If you need help with merging, please let me know.

As part of a process to review all isolated pages, I already merged all situations like the above that I noticed - this one was created just a week ago. I'm going to leave this one alone until you have a chance to look at the pages I referenced above (you might want to check out the history as well). Maybe you can try your hand at merging Sybren Piers van der Let with Sijberen Piers Van Det Let.

Thanks, Beatrijs--DataAnalyst 16:05, 19 June 2021 (UTC)

Hi Janet,

sorry for the mistake I made re Sybren van der Let. I do hope that this was an exception. I have added many pages + the relating sources (not related to me) and I am happy to do that. It also means that mistakes can be made specially when I had to continue with a page the following hour or day. I'll do my best, Janet. Kind regards --Beatrijs 01:34, 20 June 2021 (UTC)

Thanks, Beatrijs

Yes, we all make mistakes, especially when we do a lot of work. Thanks for completing the merge.--DataAnalyst 02:24, 20 June 2021 (UTC)

Tjipke Okkes Okkema [31 July 2021]

Hi, Beatrijs

Yesterday we both tried to fix the page for [Person:Tjepke Okkema (1)|Tjipke Okkes Okkema]]. It looks like you focused on his death date (1831), while I focused on his birth date (1805) and the sources. So I treated the page as the grandson, but forgot to come back to the page to note the death date, which was before the grandson's marriage in 1833. Thanks for adding the note about the grandfather. It made it easier to do the final correction, which was to split the page into 2 - one page for the grandfather (I created a new page for him and moved his death date, 1801 marriage and the note to the new page) and the existing page for the grandson. If I'd caught everything yesterday, I might have created the new page for the grandson, but at this point it was easier to correct it this way.

Take care.--DataAnalyst 14:57, 31 July 2021 (UTC)

Nioticcations afgfecting the Boschma Family [7 November 2021]

Hello Beatrice, I got a whole lot of notifications, affecting updates on the Boschma family (wich are also ancesters of mine). Especially Rintje Jans Boschma and Trijntje Feikes van der Meer and their siblings. That triggered me to check and compare that that with my own present data on Geneanet.org (User Boersj) I found a few differences and that triggered me to rerun and check for new available data on the Dutch archives and updated also my own data with a few new family members etc.

Some differences: I cannot find any person Gosse Rintjes Boschma at all in the archives. The archieve with t most complte Frisian data is https://allefriezen.nl/ Not all available date is present yet at https://www.wiewaswie.nl/

There must have been 2 Feike Rintjes Boschma as sibblings The first one was born in 1808 ad must have died young before the second one was born in 1810.

https://gw.geneanet.org/boersj_w?lang=nl&pz=jan&nz=boers&ocz=3&m=P&v=feike+rintjes

And I was able to add a whole lot of verified Birth, Wedding and Death Certicate dates an new members and there relations found, to the Boschma family.

Regards Jan Boers--JanB1948 16:39, 7 November 2021 (UTC)

Removing Fiches I Added without any contact with me [11 November 2021]

Hello Beatrice,

I do not quit understand why you removed the Fiches ( as notes) I had recently added to some members of the Boschma family, without any contact about the subject with me in advance. The Boschma family are also my ancestors! The fiches I have add as notes are the normal fiches I coppied from the Archives in the Netherlandse. On my site on Geneanet.org (Boersj) I have available lot more informatin about the ancestera of the Frisian Boschma family . Also from a few generations befor the Surname Boschma was chosen The information on those fiches are very important to get to correct information and retrieve the correct ancestors they poit to. The death certificate often gives additional information about a new partnet as the othe might have passed away early.

Regards Jan Boers, The Netherlands--JanB1948 15:20, 11 November 2021 (UTC)

Hallo Jan Boers, when you click on the "Fiches" you entered, you will find that there is no text or the wrong information attached. Correct information can be retrieved from the original documents, (as they are shown in Dutch on the AlleFriezen website). As we all contribute to WeRelate.org we have to make sure that the correct information is entered. You can always check yourself, if the entries of different websites you provided are correct by clicking on them when you finished the pages. PS: you can write in Dutch if you prefer.

Regards --Beatrijs 23:06, 11 November 2021 (UTC)

Changing a recent contibution without contacting the contributor first [13 November 2021]

Hello again Beatrijs,

As this is an international site, originating in the USA, I still think it is best at the moment, to keep using the English language in this discusion. Yes Dutch is of course also my native language. As: From the Boschma family there are a lot of members: sons and daughters of Ritje Jans Boschma and their families that heve moved to the USU in the last quarter of the 19th century. I believe they started the Boschma tree on theis site too, about 5 - 6 years ago. I made somea addition since then, as I had investigated who my great grandmother Yttje Jans Boscha was. That too then many visits to the Stadsarch of Amsterdam. Nowadays there is much more possible online. An i have investigated more about the othetr mambers of the Bosch ma family too.

The Boschma family on my own site at geneanet.org is at the moment much larger anyway and holds the fiches found as notes whenever possible. Is is the commnon way to do so on most fammilytrees I know of too. My site at geneanet.org at the moment contains more that 17250 persons and their know relations (still in progress). Most of them are directly related to the members of my family and their relations

If there was anything wrong the way I entered the correct sources as notes, I believe that the normal way on this site is then, to contact me first about the issue. As any contributor can edit.

I still like to contribute more of my findings, in the correct way of course, in the future. as other might like to find their ancesters further back in the past. The ancestors of Jan Altenburr Boschma at the moment go back to the last quarter of the 16th century in Friesland. I also was able to retrieve a whole lot more about the lives of my direct ancestors too (like: Rintjes Jans Boschma, his son Jan Rintjes Boschma my great great gradfather, and Yttje Jans Boschma my great grand mother)

I do believe that adding the fiches, as a note directly, is still the best way to provide that information.

Regards Jan Boers--JanB1948 13:09, 12 November 2021 (UTC)

WeRelate is different from home genealogy programs or the more familiar sort of genealogy site because all contributors work with the same integrated tree. To make that work, sources are crucial. And in order for sources to succeed in that role, the architects of the site and the contributors have worked out a consensus for how to format those sources. I certainly give you credit for providing sources; there are some prolific contributors to the NL space on this site who do not. But please do not be offended if we alter your sources to look more like the consensus format. I'm curious. What site or genealogy package is the source of your fiches? I do not recognize their origins. They do not seem to be a format provided by any of the common archive sites like AlleFriezen or WieWasWie. (And alas, I do not speak Dutch. I am a third generation immigrant, so I happy to have this conversation in English.) --pkeegstra 19:17, 13 November 2021 (UTC)

Stegenga - Steegenga - Steginga - Steigenga [8 January 2022]

Lieve Beatrijs,

Je hebt bij Benjamin Herres de familienaam veranderd van Stegenga in Steginga. Dat vind ik prima, want in dit tijdsgewricht is het allemaal gelijk. Ik had hem Stegenga genoemd naar zijn voorvader. Bovendien gebruiken zijn nakomelingen de naam Stegenga. Pas later komt er een tijd dat de spelling van de familienamen niet meer variabel is. Gelukkig kan ik in Aldfaer voor het sorteren in een lijst al deze namen identiek verklaren. Dat bespaart veel zoekwerk en veel correcties achteraf.

Even goed bedankt voor het vele werk dat je voor deze site doet! DiBa1944 --diba 17:28, 8 January 2022 (UTC)

Dat is een leuke verrassing in het nieuwe jaar ook eens positieve "post" te krijgen, thanks for making my day!!! Alsnog de beste wensen voor jou en je familie, blijf gezond en tot ziens op WR --Beatrijs 21:26, 8 January 2022 (UTC)

Pages for living people [16 January 2022]

Hi, Beatrijs

This is a heads up that the following pages will be deleted soon because they are for people born in the last 110 years without a valid death date. If you plan to find a death date and need some time to do this, please let me know. Otherwise, they will be deleted in a week or so. Thanks--DataAnalyst 15:08, 16 January 2022 (UTC)

Person:Lammert Nijp (1)
Person:Pietje Siderius (3)
Person:Jitske Nijp (2)
Person:Joen Bakker (1)

Foppe de Vries and Trijntje de Vries [8 January 2023]

The 1917 marriage date/place for Family:Foppe de Vries and Trijntje de Vries (1) is identical to marriage of daughter.
Also looks like this family is duplicate of Family:Foppe De Vries and Trijntje De Vries (1).
--fbax.ca 20:19, 7 January 2023 (UTC)

I think I have this cleaned up. Note that this family has a connection to Pier Gerlofs Donia via Nicolai. --pkeegstra 23:27, 8 January 2023 (UTC)