User talk:CTfrog



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Hi, I wanted to let you know that we found a couple of bugs with the gedcom upload (marriage dates weren't always being uploaded for example). We'll be fixing the bugs over the next few days, so please don't look at the data too closely until then :-). I'll let you know once we've finished, which should be early next week.--Dallan 22:51, 9 February 2007 (MST)

Family Index numbers

Just FYI, your family pages will be properly indexed if you do not include each person's index number in the family page title. Family pages should be entitled with just the husbands given and surname, the word "and" and the wife's given and maiden name. For instance, "John Smith and Mary Jones". The system will assign a unique family index number when I save. When I am adding info to the family page, I would enter "John Smith (12)" in the husband's slot and "Mary Jones (3)" in the wife's slot. This way if I later discover that "Mary Jones (3)" is actually "Mary Jones (14)", I can change the wife without losing the family page, children or history. :) --sq 22:17, 7 March 2007 (MST)

Beaufort Castle

Thank you for adding the article on Place:Beaufort Castle, Anjou, France, France! Copying text from wikipedia is a little complicated because we have a crawler that periodically (about once or twice a year) gets updated text from wikipedia, so you'll see if you edit the article that I moved the wikipedia text into a template (so that it will get updated by the crawler). I also set the "located-in" place, but I'm not sure if it's correct. Also, should it be moved to Place:Beaufort Castle, Anjou, France or Place:Beaufort Castle, Anjou, Pays-de-la-Loire, France? I wasn't sure why France was in the title twice. Thanks again!--Dallan 15:35, 12 April 2007 (MDT)

Thanks for your comments. You may need to have a small help file on how to use templates to insert Wikipedia text, since it is such a great resource. As indicated elsewhere a lot of genealogists are somewhat computer-challenged and may find this confusing (I happen to have a teen-age son who will help me next time). Moreover I don't think you want to spend your time fixing everybody's page. On a different subject what is the recommended format for a person with no known first name, last name or both ? Possibilities are :Unknown, ? blank. I have seen a few "Mrs Jones" for the missing wife of Mr. Jones, which I am not in favor of (believe it or not, not all children issue from a marriage). Let me know what you think and I am willing to insert a paragraph into the help:Persons file.--CTfrog 15:24, 14 April 2007 (MDT)

Standardized a few place titles

Thanks for creating some additional place pages! I standardized their titles to include "United States", since that how all the other US place titles end. I had a couple of questions:

  1. I redirected Place:Albermarle, Virginia to Place:Albemarle, Virginia, United States. Note the missing "r" in the second name. Was "Albermarle" a misspelling, or should "Albermarle" be added as an alternate name for "Albemarle"?
  2. Regarding Place:Arbroath Abbey, Angusshire, Scotland, should a new Place:Angusshire, Scotland be added? It doesn't look like we have an Angusshire in the database. If so, then we could set the "located-in" place of Arbroath Abbey to Angusshire.

--Dallan 18:58, 14 April 2007 (MDT)

I am afraid I am way out of my comfort zone here especially with the Scottish names. I think Albermarle was a misspelling. Am I just creating more work by creating these places, or should I continue, hoping that I will get it right eventually ? Let me know. --CTfrog 19:04, 14 April 2007 (MDT)

You're doing great! After integrating place data from three different sources, I figure we're still missing at least 50% of the inhabited places (especially historic) in most countries. So if you know about places, please enter them. It's no problem to move them or edit them after-the-fact. A wiki is all about being bold and allowing others to improve upon what you've written.--Dallan 22:28, 14 April 2007 (MDT)

Thorntone.ged Imported Successfully

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-WeRelate agent 14:43, 15 April 2007 (MDT)

Copying from Wikipedia

Hi, great job on copying text from Wikipedia! I made just one change to the template (the text between the nowiki tags below):

{{copy-wikipedia|Arbroath Abbey}} <!-- This text is copied from wikipedia. Any changes made will be overwritten during the next update. -->

The copy-wikipedia template tells our update-from-wikipedia process which article to get the updated text from, and the text afterward is a comment, which is displayed when you're editing the article.--Dallan 10:05, 17 April 2007 (MDT)

Thanks for the encouragement. It shows that anyone can learn Wiki. When I translate text from Wikipedia that doesn't exist in English, should there be a comment line that says "This text is translated from Wikipedia" ? Another way would be to create the Wikipedia article in English first then copy it into the template. What do you think ?--CTfrog 12:12, 17 April 2007 (MDT)

Both sound like good options. I'm sure Wikipedia would appreciate more articles about places. One thing: if you decide to translate text from wikipedia that doesn't exist in English, just add your comment about the text being translated from Wikipedia, and don't add the copy-wikipedia template, because the copy-wikipedia template assumes that the article exists on the English Wikipedia. For that matter you probably don't need to put the translated text in a template; you could put it right in the the body of the page.--Dallan 20:49, 17 April 2007 (MDT)

Hi! Thanks for all the fine contributions you've made to WeRelate. I was just wondering if you've finished the fixes you were planning on doing to the Wikipedia templates because I'm getting close to running the Wikipedia update robot. Thanks again. -Nathan 15:22, 24 May 2007 (MDT)

Yes, it is done. You can run the Wikipedia update robot.--CTfrog 19:56, 24 May 2007 (MDT)

Saw you had linked places to a page in my genealogy file/curious to understand if you are working on genealogy for relatives

I noticed you had linked to the info for Lesser Goldstine and Rebecca Goldstein relating to Jewish Waldheim Cemetery in Forest Park, IL. Are some of your relatives buried in Jewish Waldheim or are you by any chance related to Rebecca Goldstein? I have tried on and off to track down Rebecca Goldstein's family and am always glad to collaborate with someone else.--Jgoldsti 15:46, 23 April 2007 (MDT) No, sorry, I have no connection to this family or the cemetery. I have been looking at recent pages and fixing some of the place links, as a way to make myself useful to the site. If I messed up the information, just reverse the change. --CTfrog 16:58, 23 April 2007 (MDT)

That is nice of you to clean up the pages....I appreciate all the help I can get! Does your editing the pages/marking them as watched mean that the system will not let me delete them when I go to upload a new version of my GEDCOM? I'm working on cleaning up my places and sources and the only way to mass replace the file at this point is to delete the tree and create a new one. By the way, how do I reverse a change if I want to? I am a novice at using Wiki's. --Jgoldsti 18:38, 23 April 2007 (MDT)

I am not watching the pages I edit that are not mine, so you can delete as you please. As for reversing a change, I am not a Wiki expert either, but I asked my teenage son, so here it goes: from the latest Page, go to History, click on the version you want to restore, go to Edit and Save. Good luck.--CTfrog 18:52, 23 April 2007 (MDT)

Thanks! --Jgoldsti 10:37, 24 April 2007 (MDT)

Fitzscrob.ged Imported Successfully

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-WeRelate agent 18:13, 24 April 2007 (MDT)

Problems with my pages

Thanks for pointing out the problems with my pages, but I am not sure how to go about correcting the information. I have not used this system enough to be comfortable with the navigation.

Regards, Russell

Deleted Place:Template:Wp-Bigorre

Hi, I wanted to let you know that I deleted Place:Template:Wp-Bigorre. It looks like you'd created it by accident and then created Template:Wp-Bigorre later. Also, I added the copy-wikipedia template to the bottom of a couple of the Place pages where you've added templates from Wikipedia. Thank-you for the great work you're doing!--Dallan 13:35, 8 May 2007 (MDT)

I just noticed an issue with some of the templates you're adding

Hi, I am sorry for not noticing this earlier: When we have a {{wp-placename}} template that includes a {{copy-wikipedia|placename}} template to copy text from Wikipedia, the copy-wikipedia template tells the wikipedia updater to copy text from the wikipedia article only up to the first level-two section header (a header that is surrounded by 2 ='s). To copy the text under one of the level-two section headers in the wikipedia article, you need to create a {{wp-placename-sectionheader}} template that includes a {{copy-wikipedia|placename#sectionheader}} template. This tells the wikipedia updater to copy all of the text under the ==sectionheader== up until the next level-two section header. Place:France is a good example of this - there are two wp-placename templates, each with their own copy-wikipedia directive to tell the wikipedia updater to copy the introductory text (before the first level-two section header), or to copy the text under the History section header.

I noticed that some of the templates you're creating have multiple sections of text from the wikipedia article. The problem is the next time the wikipedia updater updates the template (which should happen in the next 2-3 weeks), it is going to delete the text you put in the template from the other sections of the wikipedia article, because that text won't be in the introduction of the wikipedia article. In order to include text from these other sections, you'll need to create a wp-placename-sectionheader template and a copy-wikipedia|placename#sectionheader template for each section that you want to include.

Again I apologize for the inconvenience and for not noticing this earlier. Please let me know if you have any questions.--Dallan 12:36, 14 May 2007 (MDT)

No problem, I'll create the extra templates. It sounds like I have a couple of weeks to do it. --CTfrog 07:31, 15 May 2007 (MDT)

Testing is going well. If there is any way you'd be able to get done by this time next week? If you'd like to split the work, send me a list of some of the templates that need to be split and I'll split them.--Dallan 19:43, 15 May 2007 (MDT)
I notice you've already been making some changes - thank-you! Just as an FYI - The section-specific templates should have a copy-wikipedia template that tells the wikipedia-updater which section to copy from. I added this template to Template:Wp-Bretagne-Language and Template:Wp-Bretagne-Territory.

Copying text from Wikipedia onto Person and Family pages

I noticed that you've created some templates to copy wikipedia text into Person:Geoffrey Scrope (3) and Person:Thomas Plantagenet (2). There's a problem with this. It has to do with licensing. Wikipedia content is freely licensed under the Gnu Free Documentation License (GFDL). This license is an older license and contains some odd clauses, like if you include GFDL-licensed content in a printed book or CD, you must also include the full text of the GFDL license itself (4 pages) - you can't just include a link pointing to the license on-line. Well, at some point we'd like to make it easy for people to create books from their wiki pages, and we didn't want people to have to worry about including the full text of the GFDL in their books. So we use a "dual-license" for person and family pages: GFDL and also Creative Commons BY-ShareAlike (CC-BY-SA). The CC-BY-SA license allows you to publish CC-BY-SA-licensed content with just the URL of the CC-BY-SA license.

The problem is, by dual-licensing person and family page content we're not able to include wikipedia content into these pages. People could copy content from the WeRelate person and family pages onto Wikipedia (because you can always drop a license), but we can't copy Wikipedia content onto WeRelate person and family pages (because you're not allowed to add a license without the authors' consent). It's ok to include Wikipedia content on other types of pages (places, sources, surnames) though, because they're just GFDL-licensed. This similar-but-not-quite-compatible license issue between GFDL and CC-BY-SA is a long-standing issue for the wiki community. We may someday choose to drop the CC-BY-SA license and just use GFDL everywhere (this is one of the reasons we started out with a dual-license - it's easy to drop one of the licenses in the future, but it's next to impossible to ever add a license), which would allow us to include wikipedia content on person and family pages. But in the meantime, could you either:

  • rewrite in your own words the content from wikipedia that you'd like to include on the person and family pages, or
  • remove the wikipedia content and include a link directly to the wikipedia article, or
  • create an article (in the main namespace) about the person that references the wikipedia templates (articles are just GFDL-licensed, not dual-licensed).

Thank-you. You're definitely "going where no one has gone before" with these templates you're creating. I'm sorry the instructions aren't better. As a result of what you're doing and the things you're running into we're going to be improving the help pages for others doing this in the future.--Dallan 22:29, 15 May 2007 (MDT)

I will redo the geography templates first (see above, I can have it done within a week), then I will deal with the person pages. The legal stuff is way beyond me but I undertand what needs to be done. I will rewrite the content, maybe adding info from other sources if available. I think it is important that there be some text in the person pages when possible, rahter than just a link, since this is what makes genealogy fun, i.e. discovering that you have ancestors who have done interesting things. --CTfrog 07:15, 16 May 2007 (MDT)

I agree! Thanks :-) --Dallan 18:25, 16 May 2007 (MDT)

I have removed the templates from the person pages I had created and started to rewrite the content. This is going to take a while. You can delete the following templates (or template attempts):

Eleanor Castile Leon John Seymour
Thomas PlantagenetThomas Plantagenet-Dispute  
Thomas Plantagenet-Early Life
Thomas Plantagenet-OffspringAnne StanhopeEdward SeymourEleanor Castile Leon
Geoffrey Scrope 
Henry UntonHumphrey de BohunKarl Von Holstein-GottorpWilliam ScropeJohn Seymour (Tudor)

--CTfrog 15:22, 19 May 2007 (MDT)

Thanks. I'll delete them.--Dallan 18:49, 20 May 2007 (MDT)

Hatch family

John Hatch should be unwatched now! --Hh219 20:50, 23 May 2007 (MDT)

I would be glad to delete some Edward III or whoever the message was about, but I am at a loss to know how to interact with this system.

BH-Ancestry.ged Imported Successfully

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-WeRelate agent 17:01, 18 July 2007 (MDT)

Looks like there's a bug with è characters [31 July 2007]

Hi, it looks like I have a bug with è characters in person page titles. I just wanted to let you know that I'm working on it.--Dallan 10:54, 31 July 2007 (MDT)

It looks like the bug occurred whenever someone added a new person with an è or é in the title to a family page. This was causing problems when you were editing Family:Jean Dropsy and Rosalie Ponsart (1) and Family:Jacques Dropsy and Angélique Bouillot (1). The bug should be fixed now. Please let me know if you see any other problems like this.--Dallan 11:23, 31 July 2007 (MDT)

Thanks for taking care of this.--CTfrog 11:25, 31 July 2007 (MDT)

Merge Marche's? [24 November 2007]

Hi, Do you think that Place:Marche, France and Place:County of Marche, France should be merged?--Dallan 09:36, 12 November 2007 (EST)

Yes, it looks like the right thing to do --CTfrog 08:36, 24 November 2007 (EST)

Feedback on final place review [21 November 2007]

Hi, I wanted to make sure that you saw the proposal I left for a final place review on WeRelate talk:Place review. I'd love to get your comments on it. Thanks!--Dallan 11:36, 21 November 2007 (EST)

McCulloch.ged Imported Successfully [26 November 2007]

The pages from your GEDCOM have been generated successfully. You may view them by launching the Family Tree Explorer and opening the family tree into which this GEDCOM was imported.

For questions or problems, leave a message for Dallan or send an email to

--WeRelate agent 16:51, 26 November 2007 (EST)

Featured pages [21 January 2008]

Hi, I wanted to feature some of your pages. So, I needed to move the images so they would show in the small feature section on the main page. Hope this is ok. We really appreciate all your contributions.  :)--sq 16:13, 21 January 2008 (EST)

No problem. It looks nice. I added a few links to Arnulf van Gent.--CTfrog 16:36, 21 January 2008 (EST)

ray.ged Imported Successfully [27 January 2008]

The pages from your GEDCOM have been generated successfully. You may view them by launching the Family Tree Explorer and opening the family tree into which this GEDCOM was imported.

For questions or problems, leave a message for Dallan or send an email to

--WeRelate agent 12:29, 27 January 2008 (EST)


Hi, I'm brand new to werelate, so I don't know or understand yet all the aspects. I do think it's a very interesting concept. You've been editing some of my pages and I appreciate that.

Angela--Feenerty 11:20, 13 May 2008 (EDT)

New search function [21 July 2008]


I see you're online right now. I've just made some big changes to the search function. Also, adding pages now requires an extra step: before adding the page you're taken to a search screen where you view possible matches. If you notice any problems, please let me know. Thanks!--Dallan 08:02, 21 July 2008 (EDT)

John Lacy (1) redirecting to himself [22 October 2008]


I noticed that after your recent merge, Person:John Lacy (1) is redirecting to himself. Jrm told me that this has happened before, but I haven't had a concrete example until now. I've got to go out this evening, but I'll look at this in the morning to figure out how this happens. You don't need to do anything about it.--Dallan 17:08, 22 October 2008 (EDT)

Volunteer Hours [28 October 2008]

Hi, I am very grateful for your help with WeRelate. I was wondering if you wouldn't mind recording the time you spend helping out. WeRelate is a 501C3 nonprofit organization. In order to keep our tax deductible status, we need to show public support. Time is the same as money. So we ask people who work on projects, or work on things beyond their own stuff to record their time at Volunteer log. Thanks so much.--sq 11:12, 28 October 2008 (EDT)

Medieval Merge [1 January 2009]

BTW, I'm thrilled to have company working the Medieval Merge. I refuse to accept the premise of the nay-sayers that the wiki/werelate process can't take a lot of slap-dash GEDCOM genealogy and incrementally refine it (i.e., hammer the crap out of it) into something of lasting value and quality - even if that's mostly accomplished by knocking out the duplicates and connecting to wikipedia whenever possible.--Jrm03063 11:06, 1 January 2009 (EST)

Why are you changing the wikipedia-named pages? [6 January 2009]

I'm encountering changes all over the place where you're adding "van Metz" and so forth, which may have some meaning for the names in question, but it's making them different from wikipedia. Is that you plan? If there's a different idea out there, I'll be glad to hear it, but I've been working pretty hard too, and we shouldn't be working across purposes....--Jrm03063 16:46, 6 January 2009 (EST)

Harmonizing w/wikipedia [7 January 2009]

Thanks for the quick reply - I regularly make mistakes as well, I just wanted to make sure we were trying to converge on the same place...--Jrm03063 19:24, 6 January 2009 (EST)

Hello There!! [18 January 2009]

I'm pretty excited about the progress that's being made in the medieval space. I'm sure there are a lot more pages that I can back with a wikipedia companion, but they're getting a lot more rare. I've started to take a little harder line on unsourced pages from non-contributing folks (GEDCOM upload and nothing else). If a person/family page doesn't seem to be backed up by anything, I don't find anything supporting it on my own, and maybe it's not well-watched (say, only one or two people watching) - I'm starting to set some of them for speedy delete. My thinking is that an empty page is nothing to recreate if source material substantiating the person/family I delete does appear, it can be recreated then.

Your thoughts?--Jrm03063 13:55, 18 January 2009 (EST)

You can't directly delete them, but you can follow the procedure for "speedy delete", which is to put the template {{speedy delete}} on the page, followed by a few words on why you want the page deleted. In addition to all that, I take away any any links the page had (family or people), so it's essentially orphaned and out of the way immediately - but it will get deleted shortly thereafter.
I think the repeated uploads are going to continue to be a problem for a little while longer. Dallan should have something pretty quick that supports merge on the fly. If that doesn't cut it, he said he would lower the limit on GEDCOM upload sizes again (it's 5000 people now, but I'ld be a lot happier with half that).
Here's hoping I guess...--Jrm03063 15:32, 18 January 2009 (EST)

Merging [19 January 2009]

Hi, I've been patroling merges and I noticed that on some of the pages you merged, the spouses didn't get merged even though the family pages were merged. I didn't know if this was intentional or if you didn't see the little merge box on top of each mergeable spouse's information. I didn't see the box for a long time. You have to check the merge box for each mergeable spouse or they will be listed as alternate spouses and not merged. If you want to merge them you can go to the family page and under the more menu select the compare spouses option.  :) Thanks for all your contributions to the wiki.--sq 22:57, 19 January 2009 (EST)

Sommedieue.ged Imported Successfully [31 January 2009]

The pages from your GEDCOM have been generated successfully. You may view them by launching the Family Tree Explorer and opening the family tree into which this GEDCOM was imported.

For questions or problems, leave a message for Dallan or send an email to

--WeRelate agent 12:32, 31 January 2009 (EST)

Merges [24 February 2009]

Hi, I am helping to clean up the abandoned gedcoms. The feeling is that we may want to delete gedcoms of people who have elected not to recieve email from WeRelate. We can't colaborate with people who do not want to be contacted. You have merged some of the pages from these gedcoms and are not watching those pages. The unwatched pages would be deleted. Would you mind taking a look at WeRelate_talk:Duplicate_review#Unsubscribers_with_a_lot_of_duplicates_.5B24_February_2009.5D and giving us your opinion on these gedcoms. I don't want to do a global delete on a gedcom that is important to you. Thanks. :)--sq 13:45, 24 February 2009 (EST)

Please review your duplicates [26 June 2009]

Hi. I'm volunteering for WeRelate, helping in their project to eliminate duplicate records. You appear to have a number of duplicates within your own uploaded GEDCOMs. Please select "Show Duplicates" from the "My Relate" menu (upper right corner), and work through the steps for merging duplicate records. Many thanks!

jillaine 20:59, 26 June 2009 (EDT)

source-wikipedia template [22 November 2010]

Do you understand what {{source-wikipedia|<whatever>}} does? Once a week pages with that template get automatically updated and the template gets created from the first section of the wikipedia extract....--Jrm03063 20:44, 21 November 2010 (EST)

William Cabell portrait [11 April 2011]

Hello, I noticed that you uploaded a portrait:


This portrait was extremely dark and difficult to see, so I've lightened it up a bit, so you can see William Cabell better. Just wanted you to know...

Best regards,


Co-Administrator on WeRelate:)--Delijim 19:47, 11 April 2011 (EDT)

Peter Thornton [19 August 2011]

Thank you for adding the information about Peter Thornton's Civil War regiment. I added the link to the category for the 50th Virginia Infantry.-- Amy (Ajcrow) 11:13, 19 August 2011 (EDT)

No merge template [14 May 2012]

I was going to merge this page but noticed you added the no merge template. Wondering why? The template is here Family talk:Marmaduke Darell and Alice Pigot (2). Thanks. --Beth 23:32, 14 May 2012 (EDT)

GEDCOM Export Ready [30 January 2013]

The GEDCOM for tree BH is ready to download. Click here.

French speaking user ? [17 avril 2013]

Bonjour ! I am a new WR-user who speak a very very bad english. Pourrais-tu prendre connaissance de mes 2 messages : ici et . Tu n'es pas dans cette liste. Pourquoi ? un oubli ? Connais-tu d'autres contributeurs à Werelate qui sont francophones ? Amicalement - Marc ROUSSEL - --Markus3 05:12, 11 April 2013 (EDT)

No answer ? Marc ROUSSEL - --Markus3 13:35, 15 April 2013 (EDT)

C'est exact, il n'y a pas beaucoup de francophones sur le site. Il y a deux ou trois ans quand WeRelate a commencé j'ai proposé à Dallan de traduire les pages principales mais il pensait que c'était prématuré. Peut-être que c'est le moment de le faire.--CTfrog 20:29, 15 April 2013 (EDT)

Oui, bien sûr ! Il le faut ... pour faciliter l'utilisation des rares fancophones actuels (dont moi-même) et pour obtenir enfin la participation de nouveaux contributeurs. Si WR avait moins "réservé" ses pages aux seuls anglophones, la participation serait bien plus internationale. Moi-même, je n'aurais pas passé autant de temps et inutilement (depuis juin 2008) pour et avec Rodovid. Et depuis que j'ai quitté Rodovid définitivement (à la mi-avril 2011), j'attends toujours de trouver un site collectif valable. Amicalement - Marc ROUSSEL - --Markus3 12:45, 17 April 2013 (EDT)

number ? [17 avril 2013]

Bonjour ! On this page Source:Nord, France. Archives du Nord, Wattignies, 1609-1792, what mean the numbers ? example : 1725 - Baptêmes - 215. Anna Thérèse Roussel; ? Caby; Antoine Joseph Warniere; François Houdez; ? Joseph Rogé; ... the page number of the register shown on the official AD-website ? Why it is not clearly announced on "your" page ? Amicalement - Marc ROUSSEL - --Markus3 13:33, 15 April 2013 (EDT)

Oui c'est le numéro de la page sur le microfilm en question, je pensais que ce serait évident. Je peux ajouter un paragraphe d'explications au-dessus peut-être.--CTfrog 20:34, 15 April 2013 (EDT)

En effet, c'est nécessaire de le préciser ! Merci ! Amicalement - Marc ROUSSEL - --Markus3 12:35, 17 April 2013 (EDT)

Création de fiche [19 April 2013]

Pourrais-tu m'aider ?

  1. Il m'est impossible de créer une nouvelle fiche individuelle sans avoir ça, par exemple : Person:Unknown (26159) / This page can be renamed. Pourquoi donc faut-il repasser par un renommage ?
  2. Je n'arrive pas à créer de lien filiatif (depuis la fiche de l'enfant aussi bien que depuis la fiche du père, de la mère, ou du couple).

Je ne trouve nulle part (dans les pages d'aide) d'explication claire et précise, et bien sûr pas de copies d'écrans. Je suis vraiment handicapé par mon niveau très faible en anglais alors même pour répondre à Jennifer qui me demande de décrire une par une mes étapes (pour comprendre pourquoi je ne réussis pas dans ces créations de fiches). Merci d'avance ! Amicalement - Marc ROUSSEL - --Markus3 15:27, 18 April 2013 (EDT)

Je crois qu'il y a un problème avec la version française. Change les "settings" pour l'anglais. On peut créer une personne toute seule avec "add person" mais en général on veut attacher un enfant à un couple ou ajouter des parent à un enfant. Pour ajouter un enfant il faut d'abord avec une famille (un couple). Si tu as seulement un des parents, ajoute l'époux ou épouse en cliquane sur "add spouse and children" (ajouter époux(se) et enfants) pour créer une famille et de la page de famille clique sur "add children". Si l'enfant existe déjà il devrait apparaitre comme un choix possible et tu peux le sélectionner. Sinon clique sur "add page" pour créer une nouvelle page. Pour ajouter des parents clique sur "add parents and siblings", et suit les instructions. J'espère que ça a résoudre le problème. Sinon contacte-moi à nouveau.--CTfrog 20:14, 18 April 2013 (EDT)

C'est parfait ! Merci beaucoup ! Le problème vient effectivement du dysfonctionnement quand on utilise WR dans la configuration francophone ! Pour le moment, WR impose donc de travailler exclusivement avec les "settings" anglophones !. C'est dommage ! J'espère que cela va être très vite corrigé. Bonne journée ! Amicalement - Marc ROUSSEL - --Markus3 01:10, 19 April 2013 (EDT)
Je constate un autre "phénomène" étrange. Certaines des fiches individuelles que j'ai créées sont terminées par un "index" (2), alors que WR n'a pour l'instant encore pas d'autres fiches avec ces prénoms et noms. Pourquoi donc l'index ne se met pas automatiquement sur (1) ? Exemples : Person:Bénigne Vacherot (2), Person:Pierre Perrot (2). Merci d'avance pour tes précieuses explications. Amicalement - Marc ROUSSEL - --Markus3 03:10, 19 April 2013 (EDT)
Thank you Marc and CTfrog for identifying the problem with adding new people. This is definitely a bug and I will e-mail Dallan about the problem. --Jennifer (JBS66) 06:07, 19 April 2013 (EDT)
Ok ! Thank you ! Amicalement - Marc ROUSSEL - --Markus3 06:12, 19 April 2013 (EDT)

Autre curiosité [20 April 2013]

Pourquoi je n'arrive pas à atteindre une fiche individuelle (que j'ai créée) depuis la page listant alphabétiquement mes fiches ? Je n'ai plus accès à [1] ... La raison serait peut-être due à un "refus" de la fin du patronyme ...? que j'ai noté ainsi puisque je n'arrive pas à lire complètement sur le registre ?

Par contre, je peux quand même voir la fiche correcte par un retour dans l'historique de mes contributions ! Amicalement - Marc ROUSSEL - --Markus3 03:38, 19 April 2013 (EDT)

La liste alphabétique n'est pas remise à jour immédiatement. Essaie aujourd'hui, ça devrait marcher. Pour ce qui est du numéro (2) inséré automatiquement alors qu'il n'y a pas de (1), cela arrive quant il y a un numéro (1) qui a été effacé, ce qui est le cas de Pierre Perrot. Il y a un moyen de forcer un numéro qui a été effacé, je peux te l'expliquer si tu veux, il y a le risque que la personne qui a effacé veuille faire "revivre" la page effacée.--CTfrog 07:36, 19 April 2013 (EDT)

Merci ! Je ferai de nouveaux tests et vérifications de cette "incrémentation". Amicalement. Marc ROUSSEL - --Markus3 01:12, 20 April 2013 (EDT)

Juste pour information [1 May 2013]

Bonjour ! Je ne contribuerai pas à WR pendant une semaine, car je serai sans accès internet. Amicalement - Marc ROUSSEL - --Markus3 12:11, 21 April 2013 (EDT)

Prénoms féminins

Bonjour ! Je me permets de corriger cette fiche. Il s'agit d'une femme. Amicalement - Marc ROUSSEL - --Markus3 02:25, 1 May 2013 (EDT)

Page pour francophones [16 May 2013]

Bonjour ! C'est un peu aussi grâce à toi que je me suis enfin décidé à contribuer à WR, car j'ai vu vers janvier/février que tu avais commencé un assez gros travail de dépouillement de plusieurs communes françaises, en particulier des départements du Nord et de l'Aisne. Je pense qu'il fau(drai)t annoncer par une page spécifique (ou catégorie) cette ébauche. Je pourrai ainsi y ajouter progressivement mes propres dépouillements, mais surtout nous pourrions enfin motiver d'autres francophones à contribuer sur WeRelate. Amicalement - Marc ROUSSEL - --Markus3 03:19, 16 May 2013 (EDT)

Trés bonne idée! J'ai déjà ajouté quelques liens.--CTfrog 16:06, 16 May 2013 (EDT)

Publicité plus envahissante depuis hier [21 May 2013]

Bonjour ! Je suis très déçu ... depuis hier ! J'ai remarqué que la publicité (colonne de droite) est devenue beaucoup plus "présente". Avant elle était discrète et parfaitement tolérable. Mais depuis hier, elle est beaucoup trop grosse (affichage qui a une surface triple). Est-ce provisoire ? J'espère que WR reviendra le plus tôt possible à une publicité plus ... discrète ! Amicalement - Marc ROUSSEL - --Markus3 04:22, 17 May 2013 (EDT)

Alors, tu n'as pas d'avis (ou d'information) sur cet affichage de publicité plus important ? Amicalement - Marc ROUSSEL - --Markus3 05:39, 21 May 2013 (EDT)

Signification d'une abréviation pour une date [7 November 2013]

Bonjour ! Je trouve sur de nombreuses fiches créées par toi (ou sans doute plutôt par l'import de tes Gedcom) les 3 lettres "INT" avant des dates de naissance, comme par exemple celle-ci : Person:Jean Gergonne (1). Pourrais-tu, stp, m'en préciser la signification. Je n'en ai pas trouvé mention (par recherche Google) dans des infos générales sur les "tags" de la norme Gedcom et bien entendu pas davantage sur cette page d'aide de WR : Help:Date Conventions. Merci par avance ! Amicalement - Marc ROUSSEL - --Markus3 06:52, 7 November 2013 (UTC)

Les sigle INT viennent d'une Gedcom que j'ai obtenue d'un parent, je ne suis pas sûr de la signification. Je les enlève au fur et à mesure que je les trouve.--CTfrog 22:06, 7 November 2013 (UTC)

Boîte utilisateur francophone [7 November 2013]

Encore moi ! Je vois que tu n'as toujours pas répondu favorablement (oubli ?) à ma proposition de faire mention de ton nom comme utilisateur francophone. Voir ma question initiale, plus haut, ici : [2]. Je pense que ce serait bien pour tenter de "mobilier" d'autres contributeurs. Amicalement - Marc ROUSSEL - --Markus3 07:03, 7 November 2013 (UTC)

Could use some advice with French records [9 January 2014]

Hello CTfrog, we haven't spoken before, but I noticed you had done alot of very well sourced French genealogy (ie with Church records and civil reg. records). There is a single French line in my tree, which I have not been able to do much with, because the ins and outs of French records are not very clear to me, nor are they explored much in the US (because French ancestry is somewhat rare here). I was wondering if you could help me figure out whether or not the parishes records that I am looking for are available online?--Daniel Maxwell 01:30, 9 January 2014 (UTC)

No problem, let me know what you need help with--CTfrog 01:49, 9 January 2014 (UTC)

Parish register of Cestas, France. It is available as FHL film but I want to explore all avenues before I go that route. Also, since this person I am researching is right on the edge of the switch civil registration (he was born ca 1791-3), if it is available, the civil reg. around Cestas, which is near Bordeaux. Daniel Maxwell 01:50, 9 January 2014 (UTC)
Only for one record ? only for one village/commune/parish ? ==> this - Amicalement - Marc ROUSSEL - --Markus3 01:55, 9 January 2014 (UTC)
Yes. That is the only proven French line in my tree. I've done all the leg work up to him and I know his parent's names, it is just a matter of finding them back in France. There is another supposedly French man in my tree but I have no clue where he came from, so this is the only one. Daniel Maxwell 02:05, 9 January 2014 (UTC)

France is divided into 95 "départements", and each departement has its own set of archives, going back to the 1600s or 1700s. A lot of them are now online. Cestas is in the Gironde department. The Gironde archives site is somewhat cumbersome, but the some of the Cestas archives appear to be in digital form, going back to 1594. Go to the following link: In the field "Commune" type "Cestas"; then enter a date or date range and click on "valider" (search). Several types of documents will come up: Registres d'etat-civil: contains the actual baptism/birth (bapteme/naissance), mariage and burial/death (sépulture/décès) certificates (it changed from baptism to birth and from burial to death after the Revolution) Tables decennales: a list of births, marriages and deaths, compiled every 10 years. Let me know if you need more help, especially for deciphering the texts. They can be very difficult to read, even for a native Bernard Hulin (CTfrog)--CTfrog 02:33, 9 January 2014 (UTC)

French [18 June 2014]

Bonjour à toi ! Tu as vu ? WeRelate:Messages --> Enfin ! Et merci à Dallan ... Tu es partant aussi pour y participer ? Moi, je vais avoir pas mal de difficultés pour certaines parties ou phrases, car mon niveau en anglais est basique. Les éléments traduits sont-ils à mettre aussi entre guillemets, derrière la virgule ? Amicalement - Marc ROUSSEL - --Markus3 06:04, 17 June 2014 (UTC)

Je suis prêt à participer mais je ne comprend pas bien comment ça marche. Quel est le texte à traduire et où mettre la traduction?--CTfrog 10:27, 17 June 2014 (UTC)

Merci ! C'est parfait ! Il faut traduire tous les "messages" qui s'affichent lors de l'utilisation du logiciel. C'est ici : WeRelate:Messages/French. (J'avais fait - 1000 fois hélas ! - l'équivalent pour Rodovid.). Donc, je pense que les éléments traduits sont à mettre aussi entre guillemets, derrière la virgule. J'ai prévenu Dallan que j'étais partant pour ce "travail". Je pense que nous pourrions peut-être commencer pour quelques termes, et ce qui ne convient pas (mise entre guillemets, etc) pourrait être très vite signalé par Dallan ... Amicalement - Marc ROUSSEL - --Markus3 11:24, 17 June 2014 (UTC)
Bonjour ! Je viens de commencer, juste pour voir --> ... Dans le doute je n'ai pas mis entre guillemets.
Il y a des choses que je ne comprends pas bien ... au niveau de la "terminologie WR", par exemple "A Tree at WeRelate is a collection of pages." ---> l'expression "arbre/tree" me pose problème et je pense qu'elle doit/devrait causer aussi quelques tracas à d'autres contributeurs francophones. Amicalement - Marc ROUSSEL - --Markus3 10:30, 18 June 2014 (UTC)

Happy new year [23 January 2015]

Hello ! Mes meilleurs voeux pour 2015 ... Tu contribues beaucoup moins depuis quelques mois. J'espère que tu n'as pas de (gros) soucis. Depuis ta "réduction d'activité" sur WeRelate, je me sens bien seul parmi les contributeurs francophones. Amicalement - Marc ROUSSEL - --Markus3 15:03, 3 January 2015 (UTC)

New categories needed [27 January 2015]

Ah ! Je suis très content de te voir reprendre tes activités et dépouillements sur WeRelate ! Autre chose ... Aurais-tu un peu de temps pour "suivre" et éventuellement donner ton point de vue sur ça ? Amicalement - Marc ROUSSEL - --Markus3 17:44, 23 January 2015 (UTC)

Je n'ai pas vraiment d'opinion sur ce sujet. Par contre je suis disponible pour aider à la traduction de l'anglais au français ou vice-versa.--CTfrog 20:34, 23 January 2015 (UTC)
Ok, merci ! Je suis toujours pour envisager la traduction progressive anglais/français, mais comme pour l'instant il y a peu de "partants", je préfère donner priorité à un nettoyage de toutes les fiches qui contiennent trop de choses horribles pouvant dissuader de futurs utilisateurs francophones (lieux indiqués au p'tit bonheur la chance, patronymes en majuscules, toutes les scories de l'import des Gedcoms comme "UID", "RIN", etc) - Amicalement - Marc ROUSSEL - --Markus3 15:43, 27 January 2015 (UTC)

Help creating the Department archive source pages [13 May 2015]

CTfrog, one thing that Werelate needs badly are the source pages for the various Departments which now have many of their Parish/civil records online. Not being a native speaker of French, I don't think my Source pages for these look right. I created one for Gironde - Source:Gironde, France. Catalogue des Microfilms de Complément de L'état Civil des Communes de la Gironde 1538-1912, but again I am not sure if that is the name I should be going for or if it even conforms perfectly to WR standards on sources. For my own French ancestry, I also need to create source pages for Bas-Rhin, Pyrénées-Atlantiques, and Nantes - which has it's own separated from it's department, but I would rather have some help from a French speaker in doing this. All of the department archives should be on WR but I don't think any of them are aside from the one I created.--Daniel Maxwell 03:16, 13 May 2015 (UTC)

Larchez Pierre [3 February 2017]

Bonjour, Quelle est votre relation avec Larchez Pierre ? Au plaisir C. Larchet--CL 22:01, 2 February 2017 (UTC)

Je suppose que vous parlez de Pierre Larchez. Les arriere-arriere-grandparents de sa femme Anne Gilemaire, François Gauny et Hélène Delawoevre, sont mes ancêtres directs. Anne Gillemaire est donc une cousine éloignée. Etes vous un descendant de Pierre Larcher. Si oui je vous incit á placer votre arbre sur WeRelate. Je peux faire le raccord--CTfrog 01:56, 3 February 2017 (UTC)

Pages for Living Individuals [15 December 2018]


As you are probably aware, WeRelate has a policy against pages for living individuals. Ten years ago, pages with the name Living were allowed, but this is no longer allowed. I am in the process of addressing all pages with the name Living - either by finding the death information or deleting the page.

I have found information for most of the pages you created, but there are 4 left that I cannot find information for. Could you please either update or delete these pages. I suspect all 4 people are deceased, based on their spouses' birth years, but I cannot find enough information to prove that.

If you search for the first name Living, you should see them on the first page of results.

Thanks.--DataAnalyst 23:11, 15 December 2018 (UTC)