User talk:Solveig

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Hardin County Texas [19 March 2010]

Thank you for doing this. I wasn't sure what it was asking for.--TexasHistoryHunter 15:47, 18 March 2010 (EDT)


Danville & Oakwood Townships in Illinois [23 March 2010]

--Henryrenee 09:28, 23 March 2010 (EDT)

Solveig: I received a notice that you changed these two entries to the city names. Since Danville is both a town and a township, when I had Danville (township) in my place name,it was because they didn't live in the city, but out in the rural areas. The same was true for Oakwood (a town) and Oakwood Twp. If you don't want to use the townships as places then I would rather have had the change been to the county only, rather than implying that the folks lived in the town. How do I find these entries that were changed so that I can enter it just as the county. This can't be the only time this happens in the U.S. Do we have to loose the township info per the guidelines of werelate? Thanks for helping clarify this.

Renee


Sorry, my bad. I restored your pages.  :)


Alberta, Canada places removed [23 March 2010]

Hello Solveig, I had a question on the two places that you deleted Place:Reed Lake House, Alberta, Canada and Place:Boggy Hall, Alberta, Canada. I am no expert on historical places in this area, but these may actually be old fur trading settlements similar to Place:Rocky Mountain House, Alberta, Canada. Should they then still be deleted? Thank you, --Jennifer (JBS66) 17:11, 23 March 2010 (EDT)


I thought they were houses. Settlements are OK. I will undelete. Thanks for letting me know.


New Ireland place pages [24 March 2010]

Solveig, I can work on redirecting the new Ireland place pages that User:O'Brien created yesterday. I've left a message on his talk page. --Jennifer (JBS66) 06:28, 24 March 2010 (EDT)


Thanks, I appreciate it. I'm not an expert on Ireland.  :)


Featured Page? [31 March 2010]

Hi SQ, was there a problem with the Featured Page this week? It was on the list of nominated pages..... Let me know if there's a problem. Thanks:)--Delijim 13:23, 30 March 2010 (EDT)


Looks great. Did someone complain? Are you going to be able to change the FAQ too? It's at WeRelate:Current FAQ and WeRelate:Current FAQ archive. Thanks, :)


Everything looks OK now, talked to Dallan. Will try to update the FAQ every other week.

Best regards,

Jim:)--Delijim 21:32, 30 March 2010 (EDT)


Thanks, would you be able to update both every week?--sq 20:56, 1 April 2010 (EDT)


Hi, not sure I am typing this where I should!

This is my first week and thanks for your correcting the following from Source to Mysource:

"<source_citation id="S1" title="MySource:Jayharris/Charles Gray Obituary (Ft. Payne, Alabama, United States)" record_name="Ft. Payne Times Journal" date="14 November, 1961">Ft. Payne Times Journal, November 14, 1961 obituary</source_citation>"

For my understanding I need to ask about a newspaper article that can be confirmed. I think it is listed under the SOURCE examples. Is the fact that it is old takes an obituary out of Source to Mysource? I really need to learn and keep from piling more work on anyone else. I did not upload a gedcom, wanting to purify my entries as much as possible as I go.

I really appreciate the guiding principles behind WeRelate and wish to keep within the agreed-to conventions, avoiding the chaos on some other sites. Maybe in the future, when I learn where the water cooler is, I can do some volunteer work on it. :-)

Again, thanks,

Jay


Hello, So, a Source is something that would be of interest to many researchers, i.e. a death index, a collection of obituaries, a newspaper. A MySource is something that is only of interest to a particular person or family unit, i.e. one obituary, a death certificate or newspaper article. Hope that helps, and welcome to WeRelate.


Thanks! [6 April 2010]

Thanks for your help with image licensing. I think I saw the low resolution scan of historical documents and missed the word photograph in that sentence. I have lot's of ancestor info in a Family Tree Maker File but have decided to start from scratch a bit here and really let this be my research tool - hopefully. I'm hoping my mom will find this site user friendly so we can work together on some stuff. I'm having a little difficulty in figuring out how to link individuals and make actual trees, but I'm sure I just need to watch a few more tutorials. I'm itching to get some stuff up on here and am procrastinating a bit on all the how to stuff. I did read through the ettiquette stuff and the main article on the common law that is up. So I think I get the idea. I'm going on and on, but thanks again.

Shanna--Shanna 17:52, 6 April 2010 (EDT)


User DFree - First time uploaded an image [6 May 2010]

Hello Solveig,

How are you? Hope all is well. I have now purchased a scanner. I have uploaded an old family photo today. I hope I did this correctly, if you, Dallan or other Users have suggestions, etc I would appreciate them. I am learning this scanner world. This image was done on the automatic settings. Thanks Debbie Freeman --DFree 21:19, 7 April 2010 (EDT)


We're doing fine. I just push the button and it scans. I usually have to put the image into Paint and reduce it because the scan has too many pixels for the website. Paint is free if you don't have it, I can get you the info on how to get it.  :) --sq 20:20, 8 April 2010 (EDT)


Hello Solveig, Yes Please could you send me a message or e-mail on how to use the program Paint to reduce the image. I have uploaded another 4 images. I do not think it was done right. I do have Paint. But could not figure out how to reduce. If the images are a problem please tell me. Thanks Debbie Freeman --DFree 14:52, 9 April 2010 (EDT)

Answered on private email.  :)
DFree, you may also want to download IrfranView, an easy program I've found to be the best, most versatile graphics and image viewer I've ever used (even against the pricey ones) -- and it's free. You can download it here. Can't claim credit for finding it, because it was suggested by another WR user over a year ago. --BobC 22:36, 6 May 2010 (EDT)

suitability question [27 April 2010]

Solveig, I have created a new user page and want to ask if you think this is acceptable to WeRelate.

  1. I made it a user page because I wanted a page that cannot be edited. I transcribed these typed pages of Mr. Andrea's work because the condition of them was so poor, I could not use OCR.
  2. As far as I can tell, this has never been published. It was work Mr. Andrea did as a professional genealogist in 1949 and was given to his clients. When he died, his family gave all his private papers to the University of South Carolina which allowed LDS to film the papers. I cannot find these particular pages anywhere in the LDS catalog, but obviously someone was able to find them and copy them.
  3. I have no idea of who originally copied them. These 57 pages had obviously been copied many times. I laboriously transcribed and proofed them, hoping to be able to share this info.
  4. This 1st page was just a trial to see how much editing would have to be done. If it is acceptable I'll need to edit the title.
  5. Also wondering about the length of the user page. What would you suggest for an article that was originally 57 typed pages???

Here it is: User:Janiejac/Andrea--Janiejac 00:36, 23 April 2010 (EDT)

This is a difficult one. Given the dates involved, I'd say that the work is under copyright. I looked it up in the LDS catalog; possible matches are here and here. Since it's under copyright, I think you'll need to ask for permission to publish it (from either South Carolina or from Connie Andrea?), unless you want to publish just a synopsis of the facts.
As for the format, if you're able to publish the entire document, I'd suggest creating one user page for each page of the document, then linking to all of the pages from a "master" table-of-contents page that contained links to each of the individual pages.--Dallan 15:41, 27 April 2010 (EDT)

And I would ask: what is the purpose of this set of pages? And when you're clear on its purpose, then ask "What is the best way to present this information for this purpose?" My $.02 after a long hibernation. Jillaine 17:41, 27 April 2010 (EDT)
Hi Jillaine, You can add your $.02 to anything of mine just anytime. I have missed you. About the Andrea papers - he has researched so many original documents that I thought his material should have a wider audience. It would be time consuming, but I thought the names he mentions could be links to person/family pages that eventually someone would flesh out with more recent research. Just sort of a fun project as a break from working on my own line.
OK, I just wrote a second email to folks at the college asking for permission to post my transcription here at WeRelate. The earlier first request got no response. Since these papers were never published, there is no monetary value going to the descendants or to the college. I don't see any reason they should withhold permission but I may not be able to get through to whoever has the power to give permission. LDS was allowed to film them and that's how I got them, but they say they don't have authority to give me permission to post them anywhere!

Sorry, Solveig, I probably should have put this on the watercooler, but I didn't think it had community interest. --Janiejac 18:20, 27 April 2010 (EDT)


No problems. But, I will put a copy on the watercooler. My $.02 is...generally, work for hire belongs to the person who paid for it. But, I don't know what the contractual relationship with the genealogist was and my bet is that the University doesn't either. I know facts are not copyrightable but sometimes particular sets or arrangements of facts are--such as a phone book designed for Chinese businessmen. This area of copyright law is a quagmire. Everyone posting on WeRelate has to decide if the material is postable. As a policy, we remove material if anyone complains. This probably doesn't help. Sorry.  :( --sq 22:49, 30 April 2010 (EDT)


License Help [30 April 2010]

I chose the image and made the change and then saved the page. When I went back in the 'help' was still there so I don't know if I fixed it or not. So will you please check and if I did not, please explain to me what I need to do. Thanks. Pam--Txbluebell6 16:47, 30 April 2010 (EDT)


It's no longer in the help needed category, so you must have fixed it. Thanks, --sq 22:54, 30 April 2010 (EDT)


Your message [16 May 2010]

Thank you for your message. I uploaded the GEDCOM file for my husbands family but I'm having difficulty adding information and people for my own family as I'm entering them individually. I keep adding people and dates using the "edit" option, however it always gives me a message "please wait". It seems that no matter how long I wait, nothing ever happens which causes me to get frustrated and exit the program without completing the process. My computer isn't new (2001) so it doesn't have much RAM. Is that the problem or am I simply doing something wrong. Thanks.--Knjacobs 17:34, 3 May 2010 (EDT)


umm... shouldn't work that way. Could you please tell me exactly what you are doing before it tells you to wait and what page you are on? What fields you are working in? are you searching for duplicates? Especially, what browser you are using? --you may have found a bug.  :) Thanks,


Since updating the drivers on my computer, I'm no longer having any difficulty. Thanks.--Knjacobs 12:53, 16 May 2010 (EDT)


Image from findagrave [16 May 2010]

Wrt your message to me wrt images: http://www.werelate.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Sparrell&diff=0&oldid=14851970

Thank you. I also communicated with findagrave and they said the same thing, that the individual owners are who I should talk to. I used 4 photo's from two owners. I am in communication with both. One replied she was fine with my using her three photos. The other requested some more info which I supplied but haven't heard back yet.

I updated the three photo's I have permission for (NorahSparrellMontana.jpg,ErcelSparrellMontana.jpg,FlorenceSparrellMontana.jpg). I will either update or delete the remaining photo (JKirkwoodSparrell1870-1938WarsawNY.jpg) once I hear back from photographer.

Thank you again and sorry for the rookie ignorance.--Sparrell 00:10, 16 May 2010 (EDT)


image licensing issue [9 June 2010]

Hi Solveig,

Thanks for your lines. Maybe most images do fall into one of the six categories you listed, but I don't think mine does. It's a detail from my mother-in-law's wedding picture, taken in Germany in the early 1960s. It may be possible to identify the photographer, but there's a strong chance he/she is no longer around to grant permission and it sounds more trouble than it's worth or than I would have time for. If there's no simpler way of resolving this, I can just remove it and avoid any uploads not covered by the existing categories in future (which will probably mean no pictures at all). From what you wrote, I'm kind of assuming no image can go up without being licensed, or have I misunderstood there?

Thanks again,


Stewart--Rsht61 17:00, 7 June 2010 (EDT)

We cannot post images that someone else owns. That said there is a fair use exception that most people use. Copyright laws are written to protect commercial interests. So, if you are a non-profit (which Werelate is) and you are publishing the image in a way that wouldn't compete with the owner's commercial interests it is usually OK. What this usually means is that the resolution is reduced enough so if the image were enlarged to its original size, it would not be so clear--thus not saleable. Or, only a small snippet of the original is used--again the posted image is not competing with the owners commercial interests. You can reduce the resolution by putting the image into paint or some similar image editor and reducing its size. This reduces the pixellation and thus the resolution. Hope this helps. A copy of this message is posted on the user's talk page.

Thanks Solveig, I think I understand the principles of the fair use exception. It is not a problem to follow that line in always uploading only a cropped detail of a photograph. Is there an actual specification for the permissible resolution, or would the true statement that it is reduced in quality suffice? And would the bottom line then be that I could avoid problems in future by always leaving the comment with the upload that it is a reduced resolution detail of a larger photograph? That is already the case for the picture that began this discussion (and all those that I have pending upload), so what would be the next step?

Thanks,

Stewart--Rsht61 17:29, 9 June 2010 (EDT)


There is a reduced resolution option on the licensing menu. I use it alot. We don't have a specification for reducing the resolution. In the end it works like this. The user uploads an image and does his/her best to comply with fair use. If the owner of the image complains--werelate deletes the image. We don't have the funds or desire to get into a legal contest over a photo. So reduce the images' pixelation to what you think is sufficient. Mark it as reduced resolution and if someone complains, delete it. Hope this helps.  :)

question along this line -- what if you take a photograph --say taken in the mid 1950's and restore it considerably -- does it then become 'your work'? Thanks Pam


That's a good question. I don't know.  :)


Edit Pages [5 July 2010]

I have no clue as to what you are saying or how to do this..I was just trying to contact "Jfogle" who appears to be related. I went to Add Place but got lost..Sorry Harry in Jacksonville FL--Selsorhd 08:38, 5 July 2010 (EDT)

To leave a message for someone, you can either click Talk on the page you are viewing. Then everyone interested in the Person can see the message. Or you can click the user's name on the Watcher list and leave a message on their personal Talk page. To leave a message for Jfogle click User talk:Jfogle here. --Judy (jlanoux) 09:25, 5 July 2010 (EDT)

Licensing Questions?? [13 August 2010]

Hi, thanks for your help. The problem I am running into is that I am in Canada and there are no licensing options listed for Canadian documents so I'm not sure what I should select for Canadian Federal, Provincial Gov't archives. Fortunately, I obtained most of my documents from Ancestry.com.--EJBradt 09:20, 13 August 2010 (EDT)

answer by private email

Volunteering to merge duplicates [30 September 2010]

If I am willing to do a merge or two a day, what is the best way to volunteer for this? I'm not sure of the status of who is actively working on outstanding duplicates besides you, since some of the sections have been marked done, but still had someone working on them after that - I assume this is because the task is never truly done. I am willing to help (for a few months, anyway), but unwilling to commit to completing a large chunk.

Great. The first pass through was made some time ago and then life got busy. The problem is that when families are merged and relationships are created, related families suddenly become possible duplicates. The list is updated every day and I have started going through it again. So...if you would like to stake a claim on the A-B's and/or other sets, the help would be appreciated. Just put your username after the person who made the first pass. When you click on Remaining duplicate families, don't bother with the names on the top of the list, page down until you see the letter you wish to work on ("A", "B", etc.), the dups are sorted alphabetically. --sq 11:40, 8 September 2010 (EDT)

You might (or might not) have noticed that I have already done a few merges - mostly to get the hang of it and determine whether I felt I was up to it.

Yes, thank you.--sq 11:40, 8 September 2010 (EDT)

One question I have is how to handle what appears to be alternate parents. For example, Jane Doe has two sets of parents: John & Sally (Smith) Doe, as well as Thomas & Mary (James) Doe. I assume that both sets of parents are legitimate couples (as far as I can tell), but the contributor is not certain which family Jane Doe belongs to. Should I mark the parents as 'do not merge' so that this person no longer shows up on the duplicates page (and so that no volunteer bothers to check again)? I would at the same time add a note to Jane Doe's Talk page so that the watchers would be alerted to fix the record if possible, or to add an explanation otherwise. Or should I just add the note to Jane Doe's talk page and leave her parents to continue to appear on the duplicates page?

Also, do you have a general guideline (based on experience) on how long after a GEDCOM upload the contributor is still working on cleanup and should be left to do it in peace, and when a volunteer should assume that no one else is likely to clean up the record? I can leave messages when in doubt (and have done so), but wondered if there was a general rule of thumb.

It's not necessary to leave a message. Just give your reason for the merge in the summary field. All of the families on the dups list should be reviewed. The uploaders didn't look at these.
As far as rules go, its pretty simple. When in doubt don't merge. The earlier the eras, less exact is required to match. For instance if a person was born around 1512, I might accept 1535 as a match. However, the same isn't true of 1812 and 1835. Records are better and dates more reliable. Families often used the same names and children are frequently mixed up with their parents. I try to look at all the data. If Mary (1)was born in 1812 or and Mary (2) in 1835 and in one family she is the daughter of Max and the other she is the daughter of Harry, but both Marys are married to the same Bob and have the same kid, chances are someone has Mary mixed up with a relative. I don't merge that file. Interested users need to look at the facts. There is a lengthy discussion on merging issues at WeRelate talk:Duplicate review --sq 11:40, 8 September 2010 (EDT)

I imagine that even with the improvements to the GEDCOM upload, duplicates will continue to be created, and there will always be a need for volunteers to do cleanup. If you know what you are doing and have a bit of time, is it kosher to just pick a duplicate and go for it (without signing up to handle a part of the alphabet)?

Sure --sq 11:40, 8 September 2010 (EDT)

Thanks--DataAnalyst 23:16, 7 September 2010 (EDT)


I am willing to do a few source merges, particularily for those sources in the state of Victoria, Australia. What is the best way to volunteer for this? Is anyone actively working on duplicate sources? Are there any rules or guidlines for doing this? I thought I saw that someone was working on a tutorial. There seems to be a number of similar sources that were created by Family History Centres but no-one appears to be watching them. Also, could you give me a couple of examples of stubs that have been added to sources so I can see what is needed before I try doing some. If I have someone to supervise what I'm doing, then I would be willing to help with other tasks as I get better at it.--Kenamoore 09:08, 30 September 2010 (EDT)

Thanks for volunteering. As far as I know no one working on duplicate sources. It is true that the FHL has duplicate entries. They often have duplicate films and don't know it. So, if you were going to merge them, you would want to copy the access information from the duplicate files and then redirect the duplicates to the main file by entering #redirect [[Source:Name of page]] on the top line in the text box. If you are looking for another project we always need help editing help pages (the User Interface has changed a lot and I haven't been able to get to the help pages yet). We also need help with family page duplicates, see duplicates. The list was gone over last year and the volunteers names are still there, but unless there is a more recent "sign-on" no one is working on it anymore. Delete the existing username and add your user name to section(s) you want to work on. The list is updated every day, so even though it was done last year, more pages have been added and need to be merged.

Thank you so much, --sq 20:11, 30 September 2010 (EDT)


British Crown Copyright [19 September 2010]

I have images labeled {British} Crown Copyright that I obtained either direct from UK government or thru Scotlandspeople.gov.uk. Am I allowed to put those images on this site? There is description of US Gov images in the help section but not on UK gov images.--Sparrell 09:55, 19 September 2010 (EDT)


If you have a legal right to publish the items you can post on WeRelate. Mark "other" on license options and explain. Please note, it's our policy to remove images and information if a copyright holder complains.


Print format? [14 October 2010]

Although tutorials, etc. in video and screen mode. I'm slower to catch words and nuances. Could your tutorials info be available in PDF format also. CHBloss--Phoebebloss 10:09, 14 October 2010 (EDT)


We are in the process of redoing the tutorials and will see what I can do. That said, I don't know when this will happen. Right now we are very short handed. WeRelate is a volunteer organization. If you have the expertise to redo the tutorials, I would be happy to work with you. :)


Gallery images [22 October 2010]

I tried out setting up a gallery on one of my person pages, but the instructions in the help page did'nt work for me. If you would like to view the page see John Walker Tarbet. I hop you can help me.

Thank you.

Jim--Tarbet 11:42, 22 October 2010 (EDT)

Hello Jim, I edited the gallery on your Person:John Tarbet (5) page. For galleries, you don't need the |Frame| text, since that will be added automatically. I also edited the ending gallery "tag" to: </gallery> (you were missing the /). Hope that helps--Jennifer (JBS66) 11:53, 22 October 2010 (EDT)

Richard Clark Naturalization [26 February 2011]

--OkieAnnie 13:37, 26 February 2011 (EST)


Richard Clark Naturalization [26 February 2011]

Thanks for moving the Naturalization. I still have not figured out everything on this website. I am in the process of moving and I just simply have not had the time fully read up on all of it!  ;-) I promise to work on it! Ann--OkieAnnie 13:41, 26 February 2011 (EST)


Orissa, Indiana page [5 April 2011]

Hi Solveig,

I saw you made a page for Place:Orissa, Indiana, United States. Is that actually supposed to be Orissa, India? I cannot find any reference to Orissa, Indiana, but there is a state named Orissa in India. -- Amy (Ajcrow) 22:52, 29 March 2011 (EDT)


I was cleaning up some place pages that had bad links. Orissa, Indiana was linked to some person pages so I didn't want to delete it. Orissa is apparently Indian land in Indiana-at least that's what I gleaned from wikipedia. If I got it wrong, would you let me know. Thanks,

Solveig and Amy, I think we may need to delete both the Orissa page and Place:Berhampur, Orissa, Indiana, United States that links to it. These appear to have come from a ged uploaded by a user with ancestors from India who deleted their tree. --Jennifer (JBS66) 06:36, 30 March 2011 (EDT)

My bad. Glad you figured it out. There's evidently an Orissa organization to promote the Oriya Native American culture. I assumed this place page had something to do with them. Pages have been deleted. You two are great. :)


Volunteering [4 April 2011]

I would like to concentrate on Wayne Co, IN. and Logan Co, OH. But, would be willing to do whatever needs to be done. I have been doing genealogy for over 25 years. Have mailing lists and message boards on Roostweb that I am the administrator and also mailing lists on Yahoo. Have worked in the computer industry for about 40 years. With about 15 years working on computer help desks. I do have a lot of things that I'm involved in. But, can find an extra 15 - 30 minutes per day for this project. Let me know how I can help.

Thanks, Dave Sloan--Desloan 17:05, 4 April 2011 (EDT) --- Welcome. If you would like, you could review the source pages for Ohio or Indiana. See WeRelate:Current Source Projects Also, you could help me update the help pages. They are out of date--the user interface has changed substantially. If you were interested, you could update them or alternatively give me a list of the glitches. Thanks so much.


personal family births, deaths and marriages records [17 June 2011]

where does personal documents passed down thru family members (birth, marriage and death documents)fall in the liscensing category for uploading? also old family photos passed down thru the family?

and while i am asking-what about an ancestors documents left to me in my possession like army documents,training certificates etc-issued to my father but contain place names, or companies etc? and letters written and mailed to an ancestor?--lori 21:32, 21 April 2011 (EDT)


Hello, I can't license your images but I can give your guidance. There are numerous licensing options, but most images fall into one of these categories:

  • Original published in US before 1923
  • Low resolution copy of an historical photograph. (When you reduce the image before upload, the resolution is reduced.)
  • Snippet of historical document
  • Work of US government--Public domain
  • If you took the picture, select the CC-BY-SA
  • If you know the photographer, get written permission.

'VIRTUAL VOLUNTEERING

Hello my name is Walter Robinson, Jr,. and I am a 25 year old student at Virginia University of Lynchburg (online). I love history and volunteering. I would like to serve as a virtual volunteer for the wiki genealogy projects.

Please feel free to email me at robinsonwc_vul@yahoo.com or wrobinson8471@email.vccs.edu.

Thank you,

Walter C. Robinson, Jr.--ROBINSONWC VUL 01:02, 17 June 2011 (EDT)


Hi,

We have several places where you could help out. Could you please tell me a little about your interests? What is your experience?

1. One place we need help is with the help pages. Our UI has changed significantly since they were created. User:Beth has taken on the project of updating the help pages/tutorials. She might welcome your assistance if you are interested. You would need to make sure the links are right, instructions work and the information is correct? You could contact User:Beth and coordinate with her.

2. We can always use people to answer questions on the watercooler and on the WeRelate:Support pages. From the Admin menu choose recent changes and then check the WeRelate namespace.

3. Like Wikipedia, we need people to patrol the new edits and make sure the site is not being abused.

Thanks for volunteering,

Solveig


Please Undelete ! [5 August 2011]

I just deleted General Adams husband of Martha Caudill, it was a mistake and should not have been deleted. Would you please put him back if possable. I am new and have a lot to learn. Sorry.


Thanks in Advance, Patricia Warnock (Chewy).--Chewy 13:23, 5 August 2011 (EDT)


Page is restored. Let me know if you need more help. :)


Sarah Willard [12 September 2011]

Wondering what was prompting: 06:56, 12 September 2011 Solveig (Talk | contribs) deleted "Person:Sarah Willard (9)" (duplicate).

I believe it had a source showing she died 1694 (can't tell for sure as deleted data is lost to me). It is a different person than Sarah Willard (10) who died 1697. ??? --Jrich 11:35, 12 September 2011 (EDT)


Hi, Sorry I've been deleting a bunch of duplicates must have got the wrong one. I'll restore the page. We have a lot of dups with no links to family members. Would you look at the dups for that page and speedy delete or merge the pages. Thanks.


As you are probably aware, I restored it manually.

I am somewhat more confused. She was not showing up on my duplicates report, so not sure what dups you are referring to in your reply. She had parents on her page (though no other family members as she died before reaching adulthood) so she had all the linkages to family members she could and should have. She and a sister named Sarah both died in infancy, so when I do a find dups, her sister shows up, but they are two different individuals and should not be merged. Both pages have different dates, 1694 vs. 1697, both had sources posted, and the birth of the second Sarah in 1697 made it clear they were different individuals. This is a common situation in colonial families. If you are working off a report, perhaps the selection criteria cannot distinguish this type of case from true duplicates? --Jrich 13:00, 12 September 2011 (EDT)


Looked at the deletion log again. The system just has a list of possible duplicates. And, you're right. The possible duplicate was not a duplicate. I must have just deleted by accident. Sometimes I get confused. Thanks for catching it. You restored all the data when you restored the page--we checked. No data was lost. Have a nice day :)


Clark, Jeremiah jpg [17 November 2011]

Solveig, I'm trying to upload and add an image of Jeremiah Clark to my person page for Jeremiah but haven't been successful after several attempts. What do I need to do? I have quite a few pictures that I was hoping to add to my ancestor's pages. Emiwight--Emiwight 15:56, 17 November 2011 (EST)

Hello Emiwight, I am one of the volunteer admins here at WeRelate. It appears that you did upload the photo properly. I opened and saved your Jeremiah Clark page and the photo now appears on the page. --Jennifer (JBS66) 16:49, 17 November 2011 (EST)

Speedy delete [2 December 2011]

Hi Solveig, I see you are working on the speedy delete category. Just an FYI, when I add the speedy delete template to pages for living people, I don't always add the template to every page that needs to be deleted. For example, I may add the template to the Family page as a global warning, but not the spouses. They will need to be deleted as well. --Jennifer (JBS66) 18:19, 1 December 2011 (EST)


Thanks for letting me know. There sure are a lot of them. --sq 18:21, 1 December 2011 (EST)

There certainly are. I've been finding that some users have tried to sneak around the no living rule by adding something in the death field or putting the birth date in the text field so that the page can be saved. I have been marking them for SD over the last few months, giving them a week or two, and then deleting them. --Jennifer (JBS66) 18:29, 1 December 2011 (EST)

Is it be possible for you to put the date you marked it for SD when you add the Living data warning to the reason for SD in the template? I like to give people some time to fix the problem so I need to check the history for each page before I know how much time they have had. It takes a lot of time to do that. Thanks so much for all your help.--sq 18:34, 1 December 2011 (EST)

Good idea, I can certainly do that! --Jennifer (JBS66) 18:41, 1 December 2011 (EST)
I am somewhat confused. Why not just delete the living pages? --Beth 20:35, 1 December 2011 (EST)
Because sometimes recently born people are dead and the user simply has not recorded the DD. I like to give them the chance to fix their pages. --sq 21:25, 1 December 2011 (EST)
Okay, that is very nice of you to give them time to fix their pages. How often do they fix their pages and how long have the pages been on We Relate? I assume the current gedcom upload restrictions alleviate such a problem. --Beth 21:42, 1 December 2011 (EST)
Truthfully I delete when I get to it which isn't often. But officially, they have 3 days unless the data is about an obviously living person i.e. I have some pages that say Living in the DD field. I should say that we have some users who put the word "Living" in the given name field whenever they don't know the given name even if the person was born 200 years ago. Go figure. :)--sq 21:45, 1 December 2011 (EST)
I like to give the users time as well - if the page has content. If the page is a leftover from when gedcom uploads would create Living Surname pages and they are empty, I delete those without adding the SD template. When I do add the SD template, I add the following wording "Please add death dates or delete by clicking on More>Delete". Some, though not many, users delete the pages themselves. --Jennifer (JBS66) 06:16, 2 December 2011 (EST)

Gedcoms [10 January 2012]

Hi Solveig, I was reviewing the gedcom log and had a few questions/comments. Regarding Bjuraga, we don't ask users to exclude the living people from their gedcoms. Our help file states "there is no need to excise that data from your database before creating your GEDCOM file. Any identifying information on living persons within your GEDCOM, once uploaded to WeRelate, will be recognized during the screening and review process, and will be automatically edited out for all living individuals." When the user excludes their living information, it usually strips the file of identifying information the WR uploader would user to properly exclude people. We have some common gedcom messages here in case this is helpful to you. For files like this one that have no dates at all, we've been using the "Reject for no identifying information" message.

Regarding the Rob.G file, I noticed the user responded to your question on his talk page. I don't really understand why this is a file we wouldn't accept. --Jennifer (JBS66) 06:22, 10 January 2012 (EST)


Hi Jennifer, Thanks for pointing this out. I'm kinda new at this. I saw a bunch of people with no info and assumed they were living. I imported the gedcom. Thanks again. --sq 18:18, 10 January 2012 (EST)


delete image [13 January 2012]

Solveig, I just uploaded 2 images Image:39 Memorial closeup.JPG and Image:Graves2scan3.jpg but have decided I don't know enough about images to do this. Would you please delete these images. The second image was too small to read but a link on the page said to download a larger image, so I tried that and uploaded it again but that didn't work and I don't want to spend any more time on this. This was personal photo and drawing and I didn't know how to license, so it said to leave you a note. Hmm now that I've got the link right, the image is large enough to read. If you want to delete them that's OK; if you want to leave them, I may come back later to work on them but not right now. (There was a lawsuit over the purposeful destruction of the graveyard & stones.) --Janiejac 16:02, 13 January 2012 (EST)


Hi, Since they are your photos you would probably use the "dual GDFL/By-SA license. That way the images can be used on Wikipedia as well as WeRelate. Let me know if you still want to delete them. Thanks, --sq 16:17, 13 January 2012 (EST)


speedy delete [24 January 2012]

Hi Solvieg, I will follow your suggestion going forward. Most of the pages I put into speedy delete were grandchildren of couples married in 1930's and are almost entirely from one abandoned GEDCOM during the past 2-3 weeks. I didn't think to mark the family page when marking each spouse. --Susan Irish 21:32, 23 January 2012 (EST)


thanks :-)


Comment about mumsplitged.ged [28 January 2012]

Solveig, I noticed your note regarding this gedcom on the user's talk page. I've not reviewed the file to determine whether or not we should accept it, but I did want to note one thing. The file does contain christening and burial dates - but these facts do not appear in the birth/death date columns. These only appear when you click on a person. Perhaps, in the future, we may want to consider asking Dallan to edit the birth/death fields to display christening/burial data when the birth/death data is not available. Then, it won't look like the file has few dates or places. --Jennifer (JBS66) 15:04, 28 January 2012 (EST)


Jennifer, Thanks for pointing that out. I imported the gedcom. Dallan will have to fix that bug when he has time. Until then, I'll have to check the people who appear to have no data.  :)--sq 15:27, 28 January 2012 (EST)


More prominence needed [11 February 2012]

Hi

I'm new to weRelate and to Wikis in general and got very confused following the upload of my GEDCOM yesteday.

Of course it was probably of my own making, but I'll make the following comments:

1. I think I like the concept that this site offers.

2. I think the Help Pages and videos that I've seen are very good.

3. The upload GEDCOM process is a piece of cake.

4. What happens AFTER upload (the review process) is confusing to the newcomer.

5. The video on uploading a GEDCOM seems to explain it all pretty clearly, although it could stress what happens during review a bit more. Unfortunately, because it's buried quite way down the page, I didn't see it until this morning after getting quite perplexed because I got emails saying that someone had already changed one of my pages which I thought was part of teh review process, and when I had a look it seemed to be asking me to review my GEDCOM again, and I couldn't. This was confusing - at least to me - so my suggestion is ...

6. Please put a video for newcomers who have uploaded GEDCOMS and have to wait a day or two for review in a very prominent position at the top of the page, or send them an email with a link as soon as they've uploaded their GEDCOM. And finally ...

7. When I have a better idea of what I'm doing, I'll probably try to make some volunteer input myself. I think it's a terrific site

Cheers

Mick--Redesdalemick 15:48, 11 February 2012 (EST)


Thanks for your input. I'll move the gedcom help up higher on the list. --sq 22:29, 11 February 2012 (EST)


GEDCOM Export Ready [21 February 2012]

The GEDCOM for tree Solveig's Tree is ready to download. Click here.


GEDCOM Export Ready [27 February 2012]

The GEDCOM for tree Solveig's Tree is ready to download. Click here.


Next step: Review your GEDCOM [28 February 2012]

You're not done yet!

WeRelate is different from most family tree websites. By contributing to WeRelate you are helping to create Pando for genealogy, a free, unified family tree that combines the best information from all contributors.

Now that you have uploaded AbrahamLincoln.ged, your next step is to review what your pages will look like, review any potential warnings, and combine (merge) people in your GEDCOM with matching people already on WeRelate. You need to review your GEDCOM before it can finish importing. We will keep your GEDCOM in the queue for two weeks to give you time to review it.

Note: if your gedcom contains many errors or multiple families, we’d ask that you resolve and correct the errors, delete this gedcom and re-submit it without the errors before merging it with families already on WeRelate. If the gedcom is very large, we’d suggest breaking it up into separate files (or families) and importing them one at a time, which makes the review and correction process easier.

Click here to review your GEDCOM

Once you have finished your review and marked your GEDCOM Ready to import, one of our administrators will review your GEDCOM and finalize the import. This usually happens within 24 hours. You will receive a message here when the pages have been created.


--WeRelate agent 13:59, 28 February 2012 (EST)

Next step: Review your GEDCOM [28 February 2012]

You're not done yet!

WeRelate is different from most family tree websites. By contributing to WeRelate you are helping to create Pando for genealogy, a free, unified family tree that combines the best information from all contributors.

Now that you have uploaded newobama.ged, your next step is to review what your pages will look like, review any potential warnings, and combine (merge) people in your GEDCOM with matching people already on WeRelate. You need to review your GEDCOM before it can finish importing. We will keep your GEDCOM in the queue for two weeks to give you time to review it.

Note: if your gedcom contains many errors or multiple families, we’d ask that you resolve and correct the errors, delete this gedcom and re-submit it without the errors before merging it with families already on WeRelate. If the gedcom is very large, we’d suggest breaking it up into separate files (or families) and importing them one at a time, which makes the review and correction process easier.

Click here to review your GEDCOM

Once you have finished your review and marked your GEDCOM Ready to import, one of our administrators will review your GEDCOM and finalize the import. This usually happens within 24 hours. You will receive a message here when the pages have been created.


--WeRelate agent 14:06, 28 February 2012 (EST)

Volunteering, etc [21 March 2012]

This is a follow-up to Tagging duplicate places for removal [19 March 2012]

The instructions under Help:Place pages#Tagging duplicate places for removal are not valid, there is no longer a Category:Remove. We could direct them to speedy delete, but the purpose of remove was that they required specialized attention (merging). How do we want to handle pages that users feel are duplicates and who are not comfortable with merging themselves? --Jennifer (JBS66) 06:14, 25 April 2011 (EDT)

   Good question. How about creating a page like WeRelate:Duplicate places or WeRelate talk:Duplicate places that admins can watch, and telling people to add the duplicate places to that page?--Dallan 19:03, 25 April 2011 (EDT) 

Was this put into practice? --goldenoldie 03:42, 19 March 2012 (EDT)

I think it slipped through the cracks? I am redoing the help pages and will address this issue. The procedure is to manually copy any info from the the page with the wrong title unto the page with the properly named page. Then delete everything in the text box of the wrong-named page and redirect it to the right-named page by typing #redirect Place:Proper name on the first line of the text box on the wrong-named page. We are always looking for volunteers. Is there some area of WeRelate you would like help with. We people to help new users, oversee namespaces, etc. Thanks, --sq 11:14, 19 March 2012 (EDT)


I am a relative newbie to WeRelate, with only 5-6 weeks experience under my belt. Under the circumstances, being asked if I would want to volunteer in some way is rather flattering. However, over my time on board I have seen plenty of situations where I am asking myself "what do they do it that way for?"--like why, when one asks for a search of possibilities for places or sources or people, don't they come up in alphabetical order?

It ranks the search results according to how well them match your query, the same way google does.

--And the way that Ancestry does too. But why do search engines "think" they know the question behind the quester's query? If I am looking for John Smith I am not looking for William Smith, but he'll be there as about the fifth choice in the list.

After the system delivers the best matches to your queries, it delivers the rest in ranked order. So if the query yielded 2 items that matches on 3 data elements and 5 that matched on 2 data elements and 25 that matched on 1 data element, the results would be listed in that order. WeRelate had the most advanced genealogical search engine when it was created. You won't get better results anywhere else, except maybe at New.FamilySearch. The same programmer wrote both search engines and New.FamilySearch is running the next generation.--sq 15:07, 22 March 2012 (EDT)

Is there a shortcut key for Edit and why is the clue not right beside it?

No. We don't have a clue for edit.

How minor is "a minor edit"?

A minor edit is one you think the other people watching the page wouldn't be interested in.

The frustration I had at the very beginning when the little blue question marks on the Edit page held no significance but the little red question marks on the finished page did was almost enough to make me throw in the towel.

Thanks for pointing this out. The blue question marks are supposed to be connected to instructions. They appear to be broken. However, I don't know what red question marks you are talking about? Could you please send me the link to the offending page so I can see it?
So, I checked this out. When I was involved with the question marks, we had a hover function. However, people found this disconcerting. The helps would pop up by accident. So Dallan fixed it by making it necessary to click on the question marks. If you click on the blue question marks you will see pop-up helps.--sq 15:07, 22 March 2012 (EDT)

--Once you have done some editing of a page, if not before, there are red question marks adjacent to Birth, Death, Burial until you add sources and link them to the appropriate word.

It's supposed to work that way. It helps people see which facts are not documented. --sq 15:07, 22 March 2012 (EDT)

Another grouch is the email we get when a watched discussion page is changed. If a watched page has 40 topics on it, we may only be interested in one or two. It would be helpful if the link went to the topic rather than the page, and then only if we had expressed an interest in that topic.

I assume you are discussing the watercooler. I don't know how that could be done.

--Being directed to the top of the list happens no matter what support page we are directed to. I now make a point of carefully reading the topic title and using Ctrl+F on the WeRelate page

I have learned that the first choice: "View the changes" is of no use because I can't read that small a font, the third choice will link to an entirely different page such as this one, so the second is the only possibility. Then I have to find the topic which was the subject of the email.

I don't know what browser you have. Generally you can enlarge the font by pressing control +.

--Aha! I wonder if I can remember that.

Eventually you will see me making changes in Place:pages in Ontario, Canada, and when, I get awfully brave, in Scotland and England. I believe Place:pages should reflect history as well as geography--a municipality can be a city now, but 150 years ago, when the ancestors we are tracing were alive, the same place was just a village; some places which are "categories" have changed their name in the same space of time, and these changes may not have been taken into consideration by the ordinary people who have already put their two cents worth in Wikipedia. Wikipedia does not hold the gospel truth.

We look forward to your input. We have a group taking care of Netherlands. It would be nice to have a group taking care of other regions.

I would like to look at other people's contributions, not because I might have the same ancestors, but because they might be tracing people through the same general geographical area in the same era as my ancestors were. So far, I have found this very hard to do. I was surprised to find "Ontario, Canada" come up only a dozen or so times when I used the term in a "located in" search.

From the search tab select places. Enter Ontario, Canada in any one of the place fields. I got 13,191 people born there.

Thanks for giving me the opportunity to chat on these bits and pieces. Sometimes it's not what is in the Help pages that needs fixing, it is what is on the pages that one is working with right then and there.

Regards --goldenoldie 15:49, 20 March 2012 (EDT)

Hope that helps, --sq 19:34, 20 March 2012 (EDT)


Stanners Toye GED [21 March 2012]

Hi,

I uploaded a small GEd file on Mar 6, and I can't seem to find the people. Thanks for your help. Duncan--Duncansta 10:35, 21 March 2012 (EDT)


Hello. Your pages haven't been created yet. You need to finish the import process. I looked at your GEDCOM. I don't know if you mistakenly excluded every person in your GEDCOM or if your family tree software messed up creating the GEDCOM but every person in your file is marked "exclude." You need to go back to the message on your talk page and follow the link to your GEDCOM. Uncheck the exclude box for each person you want to include. Then Check the warnings tab, correct any error. Then check the family matches and click on "ready to import." Hope this helps. --sq 15:07, 22 March 2012 (EDT)


Sheldon Nichols gedcom [6 April 2012]

I just got your message turning down my GEDCOM file. You said that most of the people did not have dates associated with them. I just went through the tree and only 4 out of 25 lack dates and places. I also source nearly every fact yet you told me how WeRelate encourages sources. Finally, you told me how WeRelate does not create pages for living people. The people in my tree lived in the 1700s and 1800s. I'm pretty sure they are all dead by now. Are you sure you looked at my tree and not someone else's? --Beirne 21:21, 6 April 2012 (EDT)


I just approved it for import. Sorry. The reviewer program only shows vital dates so most of your people looked like they didn't have any info. When I went back and checked it, they had info just not very many birth, marriage or death dates. Thanks for pointing it out to me. --sq 21:32, 6 April 2012 (EDT)


Gedcom import [13 April 2012]

Hi Solveig, I noticed that you checked Hhbruun‎'s file but did not import it. This user's gedcoms are Danish, not Dutch so I don't really need to process them. The easiest way to tell is to go to the Places tab and see where the majority of places are from in the gedcom. If you want, I can import this, but I didn't want to step in if you are processing it.--Jennifer (JBS66) 13:12, 13 April 2012 (EDT)


I took care of it but I wouldn't be offended if you had. Thanks for keeping track of things. I'm deep in taxes right now--ugh!!!! I can't believe the government can do this to me every year. --sq 19:02, 14 April 2012 (EDT)


image licensing [23 April 2012]

What's the licensing policy on the following:

1) Images from Ellis Island

For example: http://www.werelate.org/wiki/Image:1910-04-28-immigration-page1.jpg

2) Images from scans of LDS Microfilms--Daniel.Zappala 17:40, 22 April 2012 (EDT)


Sorry, I can't give licensing advice. If you go to the websites they should have a "terms of use" section explaining their copyrights. Otherwise ==Choosing an Image License==

Hello, I am a volunteer admin and it's my job to help people learn the system. You asked for help licensing your images. I can't license your images but I can give your guidance. There are numerous licensing options, but most images fall into one of these categories:

  • Original published in US before 1923
  • Low resolution copy of an historical photograph. (When you reduce the image before upload, the resolution is reduced.)
  • Snippet of historical document
  • Work of US government--Public domain
  • If you took the picture, select the CC-BY-SA
  • If you know the photographer, get written permission.

Hope this helps. Please be aware that images left in the "Help needed" category for longer than two weeks will be deleted. If you have any more question please leave me a message. :)

--sq 23:01, 22 April 2012 (EDT)

Thanks, I'll leave the image referenced above as help needed so that it is eventually deleted and I'll upload a low resolution copy instead.--Daniel.Zappala 23:02, 22 April 2012 (EDT)


Solveig [24 June 2012]

I am curious about your name Solveig. It was most likely my Great grandmother's maiden name and I have no others to go in her family. Your name caught my eye. Thanks, Rosalie--Reconnectnow 23:19, 23 June 2012 (EDT)


Hi, it's Norwegian. I've been told it means Sunshine or sun road. There are a few others but I don't remember what they were. I'm not Norwegian. My mom just got cute. :) Hi, Thanks for responding. so I am curious about your Norweigien Heritage. I am working on making those connections. I have my tree on Ancestry. I am new to this site so have not learned to navigate it yet. Any help would be appreciated. Thanks! Rosalie Jensen Guess I did not read your NOT Norweigien... LOL.. Nevermind I guess. I like your name though... Cheers!


GEDCOM review [28 August 2012]

Hi Solveig, I updated the GEDCOM log to reflect the new files that are in the queue. It would be helpful if you could continue leaving notes in this log and remove files from it when you delete the GEDCOMS. Also, just a reminder, I have a Dutch section at the bottom of the page. Sometimes these files take longer to process or require additional checks. One example is the Jmastenbroek file. Even though this file has fewer than 2% errors, it should not be imported in it's current state if it goes to Admin review. This is why it is helpful if you can leave these Dutch files for me to review or delete. Thank you, --Jennifer (JBS66) 07:59, 19 July 2012 (EDT)


Ok, thanks for letting me know --sq 15:02, 19 July 2012 (EDT)


I hope you can recruit some help with the GEDCOM review process. It is taking way too long to get acceptance of the reviewed upload. When it takes this long between clicking 'ready to upload' and the actual acceptance, I have already mentally left the project and gone on to something else. I may not get back to make the cosmetic changes. There were only 37 people in this last upload . . . and I'm still waiting for them to be accepted. --Janiejac 16:24, 28 August 2012 (EDT)


Sorry. I went on a cruise and there was a tropical storm. The onboard Internet was almost unusable and the boat went out to sea to wait out the storm. We were supposed to dock Sun morning and didn't dock until late Mon. We just got home, today. Talking about recruits for gedcom upload. It's usually just me and Jennifer does the Dutch ones. Would you like to help out? --sq 21:32, 28 August 2012 (EDT)


GEDCOM review of Ron Sivan [6 September 2012]

Dear Solveig,

The GEDCOM file I had uploaded was made by hand, and it has grown so large it is impossible to manage. I was hoping that once in place I could use the wiki tools to beef up the information in it. I have documents and images I can upload to WERELATE but not into a raw GEDCOM file. I request that you consider importing the file as is and I will add the information you are asking for directly into the wiki.

Thanks, Ronny--Rsivan 03:41, 5 September 2012 (EDT)


OK. It's has been imported. Welcome to WeRelate.--sq 17:34, 6 September 2012 (EDT)


One of the difficulties with GEDCOM's lacking dates is the software is not able to automatically determine the living people to be excluded. There are a number of families imported, such as this one, who may be living and will need to be manually deleted to adhere to WeRelate's living person policy. --Jennifer (JBS66) 17:54, 6 September 2012 (EDT)


FOLG [20 September 2012]

The Foundation for On-Line Genealogy, Inc., (FOLG) Were you thinking of Folgers when you came up with the name? We all need plenty of it when we are up late and just found a hot link to our missing family member. :)

I am new to the wiki, but have been very impressed so far. I have used One Great Family for years and became very dis-heartened when data that I had cleaned up a week before was messed up again. My full line built very fast there and I connected with royalty which sent my line all the way back to Adam by several routes. But I could not download more than a few generations at a time. Large tree sections would take days to try and download. Often the downloads contained zombies, (living people 150 to 6,000 years old). Since they were living their data was not downloaded, just the word "living" and perhaps a surname.

I find the review process of WeRelate very encouraging. Errors are being corrected before trees are connected. This process also helps us to update our data on our home computers and in our favorite genealogy program.

One Great Family, Ancestor.com, and Family Search, and others all just take the gedcom, as it is, and upload it. Errors, zombies, and all are dumped into the database. error corrections are never permanent, and error builds upon error. One of my Thomas Barneses had hundreds of children with different last names. It became impossible to clean up.

Yu and your husband have a great thing going here keep up the good work.

Ron--Rgbarnes 11:34, 20 September 2012 (EDT)

Thanks so much for your comments. It is much appreciated.--sq 21:49, 20 September 2012 (EDT)

Image Copyright/License [8 November 2012]

Please see Image:Reindel Family 1880 Census Transcribed.jpg. I'm not sure if i am allowed to include a transcribed census. I have typed in chart form the information from a census and uploaded it but don't know if I can do this and if I can which copyright/license I need to use. I have found census on ancestry, familysearch and heritage quest. I've been researching for over 20 years and found many of my early census by going to the library and searching through microfilm census reels.--SharonReynoldsConnolly 12:08, 8 November 2012 (EST)


Image Copyright/License [9 November 2012]

Please see Image:Reindel Family 1880 Census Transcribed.jpg. I'm not sure if i am allowed to include a transcribed census. I have typed in chart form the information from a census and uploaded it but don't know if I can do this and if I can which copyright/license I need to use. I have found census on ancestry, familysearch and heritage quest. I've been researching for over 20 years and found many of my early census by going to the library and searching through microfilm census reels.--SharonReynoldsConnolly 12:09, 8 November 2012 (EST)


Federal documents are by definition public domain. If you transcribe the relevant portion it would seem to me that it is your work even if other people have also transcribed it. Some websites claim their image of a public domain document is copyrighted. Some do not. However, if you reduce the resolution (make it smaller and use only a small snippet of the image, it should fall under "fair use." Then you can use the "small snippet" or "low resolution" option for a license. Hope this helps. --sq 09:35, 9 November 2012 (EST)


GEDCOM Review [4 December 2012]

Apparently you have declined import of "jan93w m1.ged" and placed "More info needed" boilerplate on my talk page after only a cursory glance at the file contents.

The message says "In your file, most of the people don't have events containing dates and places which would enable someone to identify the person." May I point out:

   There are 30 people in the file.
   23 of these have christening dates and places given.

Is this too little information for people in WeRelate? Are 7 people (23%) "most of the people"? Six of these people without dates are spouses of those with christenings; do you think it best that these people are removed before upload?

Presuming this was just an oversight, I have resubmitted the upload for reconsideration. --Robert.shaw 02:23, 4 December 2012 (EST)


Sorry for the inconvenience. The system doesn't pick up christening date on the gedcom review and I forgot to check your pages. Christening dates are certainly adequate info. Thanks for letting me know. The gedcom will be uploaded.--sq 17:21, 4 December 2012 (EST)


Speedy deletions [12 January 2013]

Solveig, I noticed that you deleted Person/Family pages marked for Speedy Delete. There were a number of pages associated with those marked that should also be deleted at the same time but they were not marked with the SD template. These are a lot more difficult to locate after. I am going to start a discussion on the WeRelate talk:Speedy delete page so that we can all be on the same page and, perhaps, come up with some ideas to streamline this process. --Jennifer (JBS66) 07:24, 6 January 2013 (EST)


Great idea. I could restore all the pages if you like but there were probably 100+ pages deleted. Let me know. --sq 22:22, 7 January 2013 (EST)

No, you don't need to restore the deletions. I went through most of them and deleted the associated living family members. --Jennifer (JBS66) 18:23, 12 January 2013 (EST)

trying to make contact [12 March 2013]

Hello Solveig

I tried to leave you a facebook message, not sure it went though.

My mane is Cynthia J Dugan (currently) I am the oldest daughter of Lorien (Bobbie Jo Hall) I was a Chetto, married to Michael Chetto. Your mom was my Auntie. I have been trying to find your family as well as Nora's for some time. I have discovered this through my neice Becky Coon who is trying to build the family tree as well.

I am looking for any information on my birth Father Elbert Clemons, I don't expect you would have much on him. But maybe your mom let some old information behind.

Looking forward to contact

Respectfully

Cynthia--Cindygirl2u 20:55, 12 March 2013 (EDT)


If you want to correspond by private email, click on the more menu in the left side bar and select email this user. :) --sq 23:15, 12 March 2013 (EDT)


GEDCOM review volunteer [10 May 2013]

Hi Solveig, User:Khaentlahn has offered to help with GEDCOM review. Would you be able to mentor Khaentlahn on how to process GEDCOMs? One of us will also need to change his/her user status to Admin. I noticed that Taylor has been working on GEDCOM's recently, so I wanted to be sure we don't overlap our efforts. Also, if Taylor is going to be a part of GEDCOM review, it may be helpful for him to add his name as a committee member. Thanks! --Jennifer (JBS66) 06:34, 3 May 2013 (EDT)

I went ahead and changed Khaentlahn's user status so they can now view the GEDCOMs. --Jennifer (JBS66) 06:32, 9 May 2013 (EDT)

Sorry I haven't got back to you. I was in a car accident and got behind. I'll get him to update the committee page. Also, I have been in touch with Khaentlahn. I'm posting the review on the WeRelate talk:Review GEDCOM. thanks for helping out so much. --sq 23:08, 9 May 2013 (EDT)

I'm sorry to hear of your accident! I certainly hope that you are well and suffered no injuries. Thank you for mentoring Khaentlahn, it will be helpful to have extra hands working on GEDCOM review. --Jennifer (JBS66) 12:58, 10 May 2013 (EDT)

Rosanna_Hill_(1) [7 September 2013]

Please take a look at the comments I have added to the following page and let me know your view on how the issue should be resolved: http://www.werelate.org/wiki/Person:Rosanna_Hill_(1) Thanks, Tbrady--Tbrady 16:25, 7 September 2013 (EDT)


Hi, If you are worried about offending the other person watching the page, you could give it time and if he/she does not contact you or respond to your comments in a reasonable amount of time, you can 1) leave the page the way it is with your comments, or 2) delete the erroneous reference. The person watching the has removed his email address so he is not actively watching the page any longer. There is no way to send him a personal notice and he will not get a notice of the reference error from WeRelate. If it were me, I would simply remove the erroneous information and not worry about it. The history link will allow anyone to see the change. Hope this helps,--sq 18:48, 7 September 2013 (EDT)


finding cousins [24 February 2014]

Hello and Good Morning Solveig

I am looking for a couple of things. One, information on my birth father Elbert. The only information I have is his name, age at my birth (no birthdate) state he was born in and that he was in the Navy. My mom of course.

Second, Nora's children, Pam, Cathy, Doris, Dennis (I think), they may have been more but I don't remember their names. I know of Barbara, but she was adopted out so all I do know is her name. Don't know last names, last known state was California. so how do you family search with that little information?

I have merged some info on the Ancestry.com site but don't know if it is completely accurate, but again, don't have anything past my Aunts names, nothing on their children who would be our ages (generation).

Cindy--Cindygirl 14:23, 24 February 2014 (UTC)


response by private email.


obituaries and copyright [17 March 2014]

Dear Solveig:

I am a genealogy librarian in charge of an obituary indexing project. I have also added about 5000 entries to We relate. What is your opinion on the copyright of obituaries? Other libraries in our area have added obituary scans to their websites (old and new obituaries up to present day). Ancestry has links to obituaries. Do you think obituaries are copyrighted? Our library has the obituary index, but would like to start adding images of the obituaries. We can start with those from before 1923, since they are clearly out of copyright, but what about newer ones? Does the author hold the copyright? the funeral home? the newspaper? I am not asking for a legal opinion, just a general discussion. What is the We Relate stance on this? Am I allowed to post obituaries on We Relate?

Shawna Gambol Woodard Dayton Metro Library (sorghumgrass on We Relate) swoodard@daytonmetrolibrary.org sorghumgrass@yahoo.com

Our obituary index: http://www.daytonmetrolibrary.org/hobits-search

A few sample scans of old obituaries. Unfortunately the microfilm is badly scratched in many places. http://content.daytonmetrolibrary.org/cdm/landingpage/collection/obits

Here is a library in the county due west of us. They have obituaries on their website as well as marriage licenses and cemetery records. http://www.pcdl.lib.oh.us/marriage/search.cfm--Sorghumgrass 14:04, 17 March 2014 (UTC)


Hi, technically the copyright belongs to the author, which may be the newspaper or a family member. WeRelate cannot legally host a large collection of scanned post-1923 obituaries. The data in the obits is not copyrightable so if you summarize the obits (put the information in your own words) and add a link to your database that would be ok. When people do research and post one scan of an obit, we assume it's fair use unless someone complains. If anyone complains, we are obligated under law to take it off the site.

Thanks for your thoughts! Shawna


ICYMI [14 May 2014]

[1]. Thanks. Colby Farrington 02:51, 15 May 2014 (UTC)


Uter Dawn [23 June 2014]

Hi I am fairly new to WeRelate and am gradually importing all my gedcoms. I had a message about Uter Dawn (3) with your name and I also note that you are a Watcher for this ancestor of mine. Is there any significance attached to this? I am particularly interested in the Dawn family as several descendants, including my father, myself and my grand daughter all have Dawn as a middle name. best wishes Sarah--Sdjeft 17:59, 23 June 2014 (UTC)


Hello, Sorry I'm not a Dawn. The system makes me a watcher on every gedcom I review. Welcome to WeRelate.--sq 22:26, 26 June 2014 (UTC)


Looking forward to doing a gedcom review [17 July 2014]

Hi Solveig

Now that I have been made an "administrator", needless to say, I keep watching for a GEDCOM that "needs a gedcom review". So far none have come up. However, I have had peaks at some that are at the "uploader review" stage. This morning the following one arrived on the scene

Atkinson Family Tree.ged [99,182 bytes] Pcall75

This looks interesting because (1) I have Atkinsons, (2) there is plenty of English background to it, (3) it's not excessively big. So, if it is possible, could I work on it when the time comes?

BTW, in looking through the above gedcom I noticed that the placename Leeds is automatically linked to [[Place:Leeds, Kent, England|Leeds]]. Leeds in Kent is just a village, while Leeds, West Riding of Yorkshire, England (now West Yorkshire) is among the 10 largest cities in England. I suppose the suggestion box works alphabetically, but I wonder how many new users who don't know England have let that one flow by. (I must look on "what links here" to see how many WR ancestors have ended up being born in Leeds, Kent <smile>.)

Regards, (Pat) --Goldenoldie 15:37, 17 July 2014 (UTC)


I hope you see it before someone else reviews it. I'll notify the other reviewers but I have no control over who reviews what. For a quite a while now, I have been the only active reviewer. I check every day and haven't seen a reviewable file since you signed up. I'm beginning to think someone else has started reviewing files again. However, I haven't seen any rejected files either. So... it hard to know if we are just having a dry spell or not.

I am going on vacation next week and will be off grid in Cancun. I'll try and check email but if I don't get back to you in a timely manner, and you review a file that looks fine, (most of them are) then please just upload it. If you see a file that is not adequate, (usually that means that they don't have a date and place for at least half their people or they have glaring errors like dead mothers giving birth or 12-year-olds getting married) then send them message telling them why and return to user review. We can go over things in detail when I get back. Thanks for all your help.

--sq 16:53, 17 July 2014 (UTC)


Gedcom reviews-goldenoldie [28 July 2014]

Hi Solveig

Hope you had a good holiday. No prospects of that for me--just staying at home in a heat wave of the North American variety--one of the reasons I left in the first place.

I have only looked at the two gedcoms. I found that if I inspected a gedcom I had committed myself to be the inspector-in-charge and I wasn't ready for that without some backup. I made some notes on "My Family" and can probably find them, but that was two weeks ago.

Meanwhile, as of last evening I found I have caused an error in Places in Scotland that MUST be sorted out. Too many regions, districts, council areas have been named "Highland" and they have to be better defined asap. I also have pinched a nerve in my right shoulder and typing and "mousing" at speed are very painful.

--Goldenoldie 05:34, 28 July 2014 (UTC)

Hope you get better soon. A pinched nerve is fun. Just email me when you want to start up again. :)--sq 04:03, 29 July 2014 (UTC)


The Redirect Procedure [6 August 2014]

Hi Solveig

I've now sorted out what I should do with renaming when the page is already there--it's called redirect, stupid me. But the situation has made me change what I am doing again.

When the Scottish pages were being organized way back by the WeRelate Agent, a whole lot of little places were listed as being in the Highland Council Area, despite said council area not coming into being until 1996. The Highland Council Area is made up of five different pre-1975 counties plus a bit of a sixth. And despite them being way up in the north, there is one heck of a lot of little places within them. I am now going through the inhabited places on the Highland Council Area page and moving each village or hamlet back to the appropriate county and adding the parish in which they were located as well. Oh well, I'm up to the letter 'G'.

There are a number of areas where this needs to be done, not only in Scotland but in England as well. I have pretty well tackled Yorkshire and Lancashire, but I've never touched the Midlands (Birmingham area) or London. Oh well, it keeps me busy in my old age--and I've learned an awful lot of geography.

--Goldenoldie 15:52, 6 August 2014 (UTC)


Pre 1800's [10 August 2014]

Hi. I am Steve. I am currently working on a line of my tree "Price"
My line goes back thus Me, My father, My Grandmother (Rosemary Axemaker), Great Grandfather (Wilson Henry Axemaker), 2nd Great Grandmother (Margaret Elizabeth Price), 3rd Great Grandfather (Wilson Samuel Price), 4th Great Grandfather (Samuel Price), before this things get a little weird. Samuels father David information says he was born in Elizabethtown, NJ. other source makes him an immigrant from Wales, his father Jonathan Price also from Elizabethtown, and his father Thomas also from Elizabethtown, then comes John Price the info I have says John is the first born of Benjamin Price born in 1660 in Elizabethtown here I have some other issues. the original associates of Elizabethtown established the town and took there oath in 1664. the history of Elizabethtown has Benjamin and Benjamin Jr. as part of the 80 original associates no mention of John until well into the history. the original patent for Elizabeth town was in 1660. I have Benjamin as born in NY also information of he immigrating from Wales. the first place that I can find him is Southampton moving to Easthampton then to Elizabethtown. So John I figure is either born in Easthampton or is a younger sibling to Benjamin Jr. I just can't find any concrete info in that time period and would like some help sorting this out. It is not exactly a brick wall but it is a staggering mess any help would be appreciated maybe someone who is working in those branches or some Ideas where to search. from David to Benjamin--Kissmenow 21:08, 10 August 2014 (UTC)


Sorry, I don't have any info on this line. Good luck.


Still not released [9 sep 2014]

Is something wrong with my input? 7 sep 2014 14:05 Admin review: initial launch ‎Rypkema.ged [16.841 bytes] Bensinnema (Overleg | bijdragen) ‎ reviewer: Solveig (Overleg | bijdragen) Ben Sinnema--BenS 21:55, 8 September 2014 (UTC)

Hi Ben, I usually take the Dutch files but didn't notice it in GEDCOM review when I looked earlier today. I will send it through for import now! Actually Solveig, Ben's files are always impeccable - if you see them first, you're welcome to just send them through :-) --Jennifer (JBS66) 23:49, 8 September 2014 (UTC)

== Jennifer, thanks for the action.--BenS 08:18, 9 September 2014 (UTC)