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Burgerlijke Stand and DTB sources [16 mei 2014]

Hello Dick, I just received your email.

We don't currently have a help page explaining the Burgerlijke Stand or DTB source entries on WeRelate. Generally, I make a few edits to pages of new Dutch users and they will then use that as a guide for future entries. We are slowly renaming our Burgerlijke Stand source pages to be in the format Source:Gemeente, Provincie, Netherlands. Burgerlijke Stand. There are still some pages, however, that appear as Source: Gemeente, Provincie, Netherlands. Registers Van de Burgerlijke Stand. You can either use the misnamed pages as they are, or rename them to the new format.

Regarding the DTB's, we recently made a decision to title those pages Source:Gemeente, Provincie, Netherlands. Doop-, Trouw- en Begraafboeken. An example is: Source:Wonseradeel, Friesland, Netherlands. Doop-, Trouw- en Begraafboeken and here is an example of a Person page with a DTB source: Person:Romkjen Pieters (1). At the moment, only the DTB pages for Friesland are created. If you need pages for other provinces, you can create them using the title format above.

If you have any further questions or need any help, feel free to leave me a message on my talk page. --Jennifer (JBS66) 17:12, 21 April 2012 (EDT)



De aangrenzende dorpen

Dag Diba, er zijn nu drie sjablonen die te gebruiken zijn voor de aangrenzende gemeenten (1900).

Zie hier Groet, --Lidewij 10:19, 16 May 2014 (UTC)

Greetings Friend! [11 July 2016]

Glad to see anyone interested in the spaces for nobility!

I have nothing against the addition of external references for the various language forms of Wikipedia. Feel free - however - I concluded (after years of doing it differently... :(! ) that the approach was rather inefficient. Rather than trying to add such individual links - I changed over to using the Wikidata reference. Since "Wikidata" is the language-neutral identification authority for all things (and people) in the greater WP universe - one reference/link effectively gets you ALL the languages that there may be.

I also strongly suspect, that such identifier numbers are more apt to stick with a person, even when WP page names change.

I hope this seems helpful/reasonable. Would appreciate your opinion in any case.

Thanks for working out here!

-jrm--jrm03063 15:17, 11 July 2016 (UTC)

Hi Jrm,

Not having as much experience as you have, I'm not quite sure how this reply will show/appear. However, I'm glad to get some comment on my feeble attempts to make the information more readable. Thanks! I'm not quite sure what you mean with "the Wikidata reference". Can you give a link to an example?

Anyway, the different language references often show effectively where the many alt names come from (Willem, William, Wilhelm, Guillaume). Today I started working on this section because I found there are many duplicated persons around. Sometimes because of the language, but also because titles have been coupled to the names in many different ways. (seigneur, heer, lord, duke, count, compte, princess, king, etc.). In my opinion, the only correct surname for these medieval times is the name of the "house". So my wife's forebear is "Jean II de Châtillon" even though he is best known as "Jan, Count of Blois". But then: what's the best way to show his title, and the very many other titles he had ..... Suggestions, examples, links welcome!

--diba 15:52, 11 July 2016 (UTC)

Sure - so Jean II de Châtillon, Count of Blois has an english WP page at John II, Count of Blois. French named differently, and so on. However, you can get to all the different language versions from the list you see on the lower left side of a wikipedia page. The information that makes that possible, lives in a separate place, called "Wikidata". The Wikidata page for Jean II is https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q522239. If you go to the Wikidata page, you'll find the names of all the corresponding language versions that have a page for Jean II. When a new language version of a page becomes available - it only needs to be registered in Wikidata - then all the different language versions will start to show it (perhaps after a little while...).
Since there's a language independent identity out there - and it's really just a reference number - I created a template that I add as a Person fact with the "Reference Number" property. For Jean II, the template is referenced thus: {{Wikidata|Q522239}}, which presents as Q522239? .
One additional thing. When I add this for pages that already have an AFN or other reference number fact - I've been dropping those old values. My reasoning being that - after years of working on this content - I've never once found those properties useful (even though there's a remote possibility that they could be). For people known in WP however - that information is a much more certain identity than anything registered in Utah - so, like I said - in those cases, I've cut it away.
You're free to have your own ideas and opinions - don't feel like what I've just written is any sort of "law". It's just my current best sense of what good conventions for working out here might be.
-jrm