User talk:Deeb

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Conrad and all that.... [3 January 2012]

I apologize for stepping on your work. My effort over the last couple years has been to take as much as I could get out of wikipedia - imperfect thought it is - to try to bash the older genealogy on werelate into shape by merging and adding very basic sourcing. If things are getting beyond that, well, that's actually a good thing! Please feel free to revert my inadvertant reversions. All I would ask is that you add notes to the wikipedia source entries, indicating situations where wikipedia seems to have things wrong. Only then will someone coming along next know that the wikipedia content is faulty, or at least, unreliable. If there are entire pages that you think should go away, please advise, I can do that too.

Best Regards....

--jrm03063 20:50, 2 January 2012 (EST)

More edits to the children of Conrad III [4 January 2012]

I saw that Ekjansen has made additional edits. I believe he is also one of our administrators, and is reliable in my limited experience, but I should think you would want to review his work. Also, I saw that you created a WP source that pointed at German WP. I have no complaint whatever (I'm thrilled actually), but was thinking that the German language WP should be considered a different source than English. --jrm03063 13:23, 3 January 2012 (EST)

Thanks. Though I think I'll stop obsessing over the 12th century, as you said before, it would make more sense to improve the Wikipedia article first. My understanding is that the point of this wiki is the documentation of historical individuals which do not meet Wikipedia's notability threshold. It's nice to have medieval entries to tie the trees together, but the details on medieval nobility should probably be left to Wikipedia, or all we'll do here is duplicate effort.

That's absolutely how I think WR and WP should be used, though there are some genealogical purists who view WP biographies as inappropriate alternatives on some technical grounds. I unwisely wasted a bunch of time on that argument at one point and have subsequently tried to embrace the notion that we should use each of WP and WeRelate to their relative best advantages.

I'll try to get the hang creating new Source: pages. Not sure if we want a separate entry for each language version of Wikipedia though. So far I just picked non-English Wikipedia articles if the English entry was lacking. But in principle there is nothing to stop us from creating the corresponding English entry based on the non-English one and then link to that. --Deeb 06:57, 4 January 2012 (EST)

A source page isn't a big deal to create, so I don't think you should see that as in any way burdensome. I agree we could take the effort to create an english version (assuming you have the language skills - I don't) of any interesting WP page, but some folks won't, and I very much want native German, Dutch, etc. speakers to feel that they can contribute in their preferred language (I suppose there is an interesting question about whether a source page, describing german wikipedia, should itself be in german! Probably, I guess).

Also, on the side, I noted that this database contains a lot of spurious nonsense in the early medieval department, and I do not have the resources to single-handedly fix it. What I think happened is that somebody uploaded a gedcom file, attributed to one Rob Gomes ("GCrobgomes") which contained a lot of medieval fantasy genealogy. The funny thing is that these pages present "GCrobgomes" as a "reference". --Deeb 07:10, 4 January 2012 (EST)

Yes, I have a small littany of things I'll call hallmarks of badness on my user page. The GEDCOM standard and the internet have certainly been a double-edged sword, much more good than bad, but we don't have to look far for cases such as this were we've all been bitten. Best regards, etc., --jrm03063 11:06, 4 January 2012 (EST)