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Southerland and McEvoy directory [9 November 2009]
Hello, I am a volunteer admin. I am sorry for the confusion with the title. There has been quite a community discussion on how to title directories. I was not aware of the community's decision. I have renamed the page accordingly. Directories were considered government records because they are place oriented. However, it was decided to treat them as books, because they are. Soooo, we list the publisher first, a period, then the title. That way with a directory such as yours, where it covers more than one local, the locals can be listed and the title isn't confusing.
- ) --sq 13:05, 9 November 2009 (EST)
Thomas Hall [2 November 2010]
After reviewing the available information on Thomas Hall, it appears very unlikely that he was born in Prince William County, Virginia. His father Edward Hall was clearly in Augusta County from his arrival/land patent in 1747 until his death in 1796. The information on him coming from Prince William was probably either "family tradition" or perhaps confused with another Thomas Hall.
There was another Thomas Hall in Chalkley's records, but this other Thomas appears to have been perhaps at least 10-15 years older and was not living close to the Beverley Manor area (perhaps around the outer Shenandoah area), where Edward Hall was located.
Hope this helps. You might want to remove the "Prince William" alt birthdate, since it doesn't seem to fit in this instance.
Jim, Volunteer Administrator on WeRelate--Delijim 09:41, 28 October 2010 (EDT)
- I am so glad that you brought this up. I am hoping that we can open a collaborative discussion to determine whether or not the Thomas Hall cited in the referenced books (son of Edward and Eleanor (Stuart) Hall, b. 1754) is the same Thomas Hall (DAR patriot A049540) cited in so many DAR applications of the early 20th century, such as the one you had listed on the page. The DAR has accepted/approved these applications (see website) and tied Thomas to the family of Edward and Eleanor as well, but I am bothered by inconsistencies in the facts myself. I have been adding all relevant sources to the pages, hoping to drill down to the primary ones.
- For ex. you wrote "The information on him coming from Prince William was probably either "family tradition" or perhaps confused with another Thomas Hall."
- Thomas Hall's 31 Aug 1754 birthdate comes from the various published genealogies. Do you know if a primary source exists? I have often wondered where the original authors got those dates.
- Thomas A049540 Hall's birthdate/place (1760/Prince Wm Co.) comes from his signed and sworn affadavit in his 1833 pension application stating that he was born in Prince William County, VA and was unable to determine his birthdate, but guessed it was around 1760. This same pension application lists no children, but a later widow's application was made by wife, Nancy (no maiden name given). I am happy to post images from the file.
- There are also questions about Thomas' marriage(s). Did he really have two wives? The oft-cited wife Nancy - was she Nancy Ann Bartlett, widow of Christopher Chinn and dau. of Thomas Bartlett? Many believe most of the records of his young life were lost in courthouse fires. I am posting sources for marriage facts as well and hope that the genealogical community will respond. Please do add whatever you have.
- I hope that we can work together with others to sort this out by citing robust sources (and I really hope that we don't end up disproving so many DAR apps). I know that many researchers have worked on this in the past with no definite resolution. Hopefully pooling resources will enable us to solve some of the mysteries surrounding these folks.
-- Best Wishes, --Cos1776 11:10, 28 October 2010 (EDT) p.s. - I am curious why you are not using the wiki's sourcing format for your sources?
OK, here goes. I firmly believe that we're confusing two different Thomas Hall's. One, son of Edward Hall of Beverley Manor was born in Augusta County in 1764. The other, was born in 1759 in Prince William County, Virginia. I have a candidate for the Thomas Hall in Prince William County, as follows: Thomas Hall.
The interesting thing about this Thomas Hall (not much info on him) is the information contained on his brother, Edward Hall's Revolutionary Pension Application:
The information contained seems to mirror much of the information contained in Thomas Hall of Prince William County's application.
So, I think we need to "go back to the drawing board" and determine which records can be positively linked to Thomas Hall of Augusta County and which ones we can positively link to Thomas Hall of Prince William County and later Montgomery County, Kentucky. At some point in time some researcher (perhaps well-intentioned) must have "thought" that the Thomas Hall from Augusta was the one that migrated to Montgomery County, Kentucky, but got it wrong....
The following interesting note from a Rootsweb post regarding the Edward Hall, listed above:
- The Edward Hall extended family are not known to be slave holders. Mane Hall has no slaves. All the other early Hall families have slaves. Two of Edward Hall's brothers did live in Montgomery County, KY (Thomas Hall and Micajah Hall). The balance of the early Hall family in Montgomery County, KY were slave holders.
Also, if you read this biography for Edward Hall, it looks like it is referencing Thomas Hall's (b. Prince William County) pension application:
The following excerpt:
- Thomas Hall, brother of Edward mentions a battle on the “upper Blue Licks where we had a pretty severe engagement with the Indians from there we were marched back to Boonesborough, where we were stationed principally until the termination of the War. Engaged during the whole period in occasional and frequent scouting along the frontier settlements. In fact, our whole service partook as good deal of the nature of a frontier guard.” Thomas Hall was in the Battle of Blue Licks. Edward Hall makes no mention of a Battle at Blue Licks, he may have been with Benjamin Logan’s army that arrived after the battle. Brother William Hall was with Benjamin Logan’s troops.
From Thomas Hall's pension application:
- After being stationed at that point for for some months, we were marched to Boonesborough; and from there to the upper Blue Licks, under command of Maj. Hoy (?) where we had a pretty severe engagement with the Indians from there we were marched back to Boonesbough, where we were stationed principally until the thermination of the War, engaged, however, during the whole period in occassional and frequent scouting along the frontier settlements.
I think if you compare the two paragraphs above, it is clear that Edward Hall, Thomas Hall's brother is the Thomas Hall from Prince William County (same county as Edward, just born two years apart), with no apparent connection to the Augusta County Hall's.
Anyway, that's my opinion at first glance, so if you have records to prove otherwise, please share them with me. I thing it's probably best that we just start e-mailing our thoughts, rather than filling up your talk page. My e-mail is: Delijim@aol.com
Look forward to resolving this little puzzle.... :)
- I will respond briefly here and continue via email later. It is reassuring to see someone else arrive at the same conclusion. I am familiar with the above citations that you provided, with the exception of the "slave holder" posting, and although there are many instances where the vitals for these two men have been intertwined in past work, including many publications and most notably the DAR apps - I too believe them to be two separate individuals. I will proceed on that theory and make adjustments.--Cos1776 11:43, 2 November 2010 (EDT)
Agreed, it appears that the DAR application referenced may be the one that has caused all the confusion.... I will also add an advisory on both person pages of the confusion. I've moved some of the other Thomas Hall's information over, you can move the rest, including the source information at your convenience.
Conklni family of Wayne CO, IN [20 June 2011]
I greatly appreciate the articles that you are adding on my Conklin family of Cambridge City. Thank you.--Sheri 21:35, 19 June 2011 (EDT)
- My pleasure. I think that the little glimpses into their lives adds some insight into their character and personality. By the way, I believe that our ancestors were acquaintances, if not friends. I descend from the Pitman and Petro families of Cambridge City. Do you happen to have any old photos of these folks and/or the town during the late 1800s-early 1900s? Those would be great additions to their pages and I am always on the lookout for photos of folks from CC during that time.
Best Wishes!--Cos1776 10:05, 20 June 2011 (EDT)
I have no pictures. I am descended from Benjamin, Felix and Aaron Conklin's older brother Pierson who stayed in Butler County OH. Many members of that family lived in CC at least for awhile. If you live in CC you will find it interesting to know that Coyeta Miller (Mrs. Ernest Miller) is a great-granddaughter of Felix Conklin and was not aware that Benjamin and Felix were brothers. By the way, if the Conklin-Montgomery house there is ever open for a tour, let me know as I would love to see it. Sheri
- Actually CC is having a 175th Anniversary celebration starting next weekend and lasting through the 3rd of July. I would bet that the house will be open for tours, if they do that sort of thing. There is contact info on the chamber of commerce website for the town. I do not live in CC. Thank you for all of your good work on werelate - hopefully we are creating something that will be of interest to the future generations.--Cos1776 10:58, 20 June 2011 (EDT)
Place titles [16 September 2011]
I noticed that you renamed the page for Clay Township. I renamed it back to Place:Clay, Wayne, Indiana, United States, without the word (township) in the title. We add township in parentheses to differentiate it from another town/city with the same name, which I was unable to find. Let me know if you have any questions, --Jennifer (JBS66) 11:10, 16 September 2011 (EDT)
- Is this something new? I thought that all townships were supposed to have "(township)" in the title to define them as such and standardize everything the same way. It seems to go against all the rules of standardization to only apply the rules to some cases and not others. What is the harm in adding "(township)" to the title if it is one?--Cos1776 11:25, 16 September 2011 (EDT)
- It's not new. The Place pages help page describes using (township) in the title only for "US township in a county with a town of the same name". The standard is to title places in the U.S. in the form Place, County, State, United States (whether the place is a City/township/village/borough) and only use (township) as a means of disambiguation. The word Township is added as a type when editing the place, and this information is displayed when a person searches for a place. --Jennifer (JBS66) 11:34, 16 September 2011 (EDT)
john lewis hayes/ lewis lester hayes [28 December 2011]
Are you related to this person? I have been searching for years for info about him. Other than the name, i really dont see any resemblance to the person I've been looking for. He was my grandma's dad, and he left when she was really small, never to be seen or heard from again, she's always wondered what happened tohim. all we know is that he stayed in trouble quite a bit, and often changed his name. Do you think for some reason this may be the same person?--Meme2002 14:11, 28 December 2011 (EST)
- I have seen some of your posts on different boards regarding John/Lester/Lewis Hayes and actually that is what got me to thinking about what I knew of the individual in this family. I do know that there was a son, who went by Lester Louis Hayes, and there was a baby in the 1880 census who was listed as "John" and that these two could be the same individual. BUT I really don't know if this is the same guy that you have been looking for. Do you have any other info on him? When was your grandmother born? This Hayes was born in Olin, NC and moved to NJ with his brothers sometime around 1900. He is found living in Monmouth co., NJ in 1900, 1910, 1920, and 1930. He married Hattie G A (Unknown) sometime around 1920. I haven't entered all of this yet onto his page, but I'm working on it. hth--Cos1776 18:46, 28 December 2011 (EST)
Weaver's [23 August 2012]
I am the gg-grand son of Cornelius Weaver. My g-grandfather was John Henry Weaver.
I have his a wall with Christian (Christoper) Weaver trying to find his father. What family are you researching?
Tim Weaver--TimWeaver58 15:34, 22 August 2012 (EDT)
- Welcome! Thanks for the message. My connection to your Weavers comes through my interest in the Scheidler/Shidler/Shideler, etc. family and families of that Midwest region in that time period in general. I have enjoyed adding info to these pages as I come across it and I look forward to seeing whatever information and sources that you can bring to them as well. It does take a little bit to get used to the format, so please let me know if I can be of any assistance. I'm not an expert, but I've been at it for a while. Unfortunately, I do not have any additional info on Christopher/Christian Weaver. Do you have a scan or transcript of the marriage record to which you have referred or more information about its location for the citation? That would be a nice addition to help in sourcing his first name. --Cos1776 16:24, 22 August 2012 (EDT)
Since my father past away in May. I have been working the Weaver line. A friend of mine showed me the marriage record for Christian Weaver and Sarah Shideler in Montgomery County. I don't have that copy right now, but I will work on the references. I've seen a copy of the actual written record and other references in several different records since we found that it a couple of weeks ago.
I have been looking for Christopher for many years, because of the information in the Henry County book, and was not able to tie the two together, until 2 weeks ago.
I only have the lines from Christian to me. I don't have all the inforamtion on the siblings, but I have all the names.
Christian Weaver and Sarah Shideler
son Cornelius Weaver and Louisa Keller (Maybe,the 2nd wife)
- son John Henry Weaver and Fannie Batchfield (Five Brothers)
-- son William Marcus Weaver and Estella Lindamood (1-Brother, 1-Sister, 6 other wives)
--- son John R. Weaver and V. Helen Enochs (1-Brother)
son Timothy L. Weaver and Cynthia L. Von Moll
I have 2 sons and a grandson.--TimWeaver58 10:00, 23 August 2012 (EDT)
Virginia families [13 November 2012]
I see you're "filling in the blanks" of many of the Virginia families that I've been working over the past couple of years. Keep up the good work! Up until recently, I've sort of felt like the "Lone Ranger", when adding many of the early prominent Virginia families....
Jim:)--Delijim 12:21, 20 October 2012 (EDT)
- Thanks for noticing. It is always rewarding to me when the branches start to connect. And yes, I agree, it seems quiet here lately. Wonder why? --Cos1776 15:43, 20 October 2012 (EDT)
I've been noticing this too, and I gave up on werelate a long time go--and I'm the one who loaded in the intial Ball gedcom though I shouldn't have at that time. Long story. All that being said, probably the cited and researched site for the Northern Neck families--included Ball--is something a group of created at ancestry.com. It's a private tree called Northern Neck of Virginia Families. You are welcome to take a look at it over there. If you find it useful, contact the project administrator, Jim Bartlett whose contact information will appear on the home page. Good luck. Craig Kilby--Persisto 15:50, 13 November 2012 (EST)
Kelley in Maryland [9 December 2012]
My name is Bernard Kelley, decendent of Daniel Kelley born in Maryland 1774. I am trying to locate other Kelley lines who may be related. I had my Y-DNA done with some interesting results and want to find the other members of our Kelley line. If you have a male Kelley decendent living I urge them to have a Y-DNA test with Family tree DNA. If we are related I will be notified. Thanks for your time.--Bernard 13:28, 9 December 2012 (EST)
Frank Lackey, Indiana [22 March 2013]
I am not a blood relative of Frank Lackey, but my mother, Marie Dewitt, was adopted by Richard King Lackey in Richmond, Indiana in 1935. Richard's father was Frank Lackey and his mother was Josephine King. Richard moved his family to Miami Beach, FL in 1935. I was born there in 1948, and always knew Richard Lackey as my grandfather. Please respond to email@example.com.--Rmapmaker 12:33, 22 March 2013 (EDT)
- Hello - I tried to respond to your email, but it did not work. Thank you for writing. I am not related to the Lackey family but I am interested in the history of the families who lived in or near Cambridge City, Indiana in the 1800s. It has turned into a large, but very enjoyable project. Several of the Lackeys figured prominently there at that time, so that is how I ended up creating some pages for them. It is by no means a complete genealogy - just snippets here and there. If you are interested in adding any information and/or creating any additional pages for more members of your family, I am happy to help. Old photos would be especially nice to add. Best Wishes! --Cos1776 13:37, 22 March 2013 (EDT)
regimental category indexes... [6 September 2013]
I recently went through those, trying to systematically add WP pages where I could. Relatively speaking, I pretty much completely overhauled the way category sort order was done - from a unit,type to type,unit. I was warned that some effort had gone into all that - but I barged ahead anyway because I just didn't see how what I was looking at made that much sense.
Anyway - if I managed to mess anything up - please tell me what, and how, and I'll try to help fix it.
--jrm03063 15:46, 6 September 2013 (EDT)
- I am not one of the originators of that project, so I too hope that I am not "messing anything up". :) I didn't realize that someone had already overhauled the sort once, so I hope that I haven't stepped on your toes. I took a look at what you had done before and IMHO your change was logical. I just extrapolated it out one more step - i.e. changing to a three digit number to force the correct sort order on the state page since the regiments can number into the hundreds. I try to add soldiers to the categories whenever I come across them, but I have been wondering for a while now if this project is still active? Do you know? --Cos1776 16:38, 6 September 2013 (EDT)
- Ok - sounds reasonable to me at least. As to the activity of "the project" - I look at this all a bit differently. I see this as a reasonable WeRelate "shadow" of information organization on Wikipedia. Adding people to their respective military units then has the effect of associating them with that supporting information.
- My main departure from what other folks do - is that I don't add category membership in the page body - but instead - add it next to the associated fact (see the association of Person:Joshua Chamberlain (1) with the 20th Maine, as a fact of his commission/enlistment date). So I don't care whether there are folks working on "this particular" category tree at this particular moment - only that its an organization that's reasonably consistent with WP and that it would be easy to add any given person as a member of an appropriate category, to bring together the specific person and the general information context.
- I've also got several other trees of categories that I work similarly, one of which - battles/campaigns/wars - you'll also see on the Chamberlain page - if you go to one of the military battle facts, and walk the categories up from the link in the description field. It's just another way to drop in Person life events into the general information context provided by WP. --jrm03063 17:14, 6 September 2013 (EDT)
- I think that what you have done on Joshua's page looks fantastic. There is a lot of power in categorization that can really set this site apart if folks would take the time to enter the information correctly as you have. Hopefully if we keep plugging away at it, more folks will finally realize the potential. "Build it and they will come... right?" Best Wishes --Cos1776 17:39, 6 September 2013 (EDT)
Carwile [19 September 2013]
Thanks for the update on James Madison
havn't proved out that far on that line yet
you any relation?--Kissmenow 17:46, 19 September 2013 (EDT)
- No, I'm not related. I bumped into JM Carwile's page while adding to pages around him, specifically the family of his wife's sister, Person:Pamelia Brown (1). When I saw JM and Jane in Find A Grave, I just went ahead and added that to their pages. Best Wishes! --Cos1776 18:00, 19 September 2013 (EDT)
I stumbled into the same DAR duplication that you did! [6 November 2013]
I'm also remiss in not finding as many of the items as you did - and I even opened a second topic further down on the watercooler below yours! Wanted you to know - and seeking your input. Thanks! --jrm03063 15:34, 6 November 2013 (UTC)
- Appreciate the notice. The merging is one of those things that is sitting on my To Do list, but I have gotten sidetracked. :) I was also trying to give it some time to allow any input to come in, but I think it has been long enough. I'm of the opinion to merge them all and favor the title "Source:DAR Genealogical Research System" (i.e. eliminating "The").
- I also want to say that I like your idea of a DAR template and favor the display of the ancestor number to allow for searching. I personally use that type of search all the time as I find it easier to zero in on a specific individual. --Cos1776 15:52, 6 November 2013 (UTC)
- I tend to always get rid of a noisy "The" - but wonder if it's exactly kosher to abbreviate Daughters of the American Revolution as DAR in a source title. I was presuming no - but I don't have any real basis for that opinion. Shall we ask the source police? --jrm03063 16:01, 6 November 2013 (UTC)
- hmm...I hear you. Since the source (at least how I have been using it) is a compiled registry/website/database as opposed to a specific DAR book or pamphlet or chapter publication, I suppose one could make the argument that this is similar to Find A Grave or Wikipedia which do not have a source titles like "Tipton, Jim. Find A Grave" or "Wikimedia Foundation. Wikipedia." Does that seem logical to you? --Cos1776 17:00, 6 November 2013 (UTC)
- Interesting. So neither "DAR Genealogical Research System" nor "Daughters of the American Revolution. Genealogical Research System" - rather "Daughters of the American Revolution Genealogical Research System"? Phew! I can go with that - but I still think we should get an opinion from someone who's done a lot of work on source naming. I'm ok with going back over pages that I've done - but I'ld like to try to do it once! :) --jrm03063 19:58, 6 November 2013 (UTC)
- Oh no, I'm sorry if I wasn't clear. I am for the shorter name - DAR Genealogical Research System - not the longer versions. I don't think DAR needs to be spelled out, especially since that is the official name of the database as specified by the organization itself. I've done quite a bit of WeRelate source naming here myself, but of course I am fine with running it by other folks.
- One of my concerns before beginning the redirects was to make sure that all of the good content from the duplicate pages was getting pulled onto the final version. --Cos1776 20:29, 6 November 2013 (UTC)
- I'll be careful on the consolidation. I've seen a couple pages that used references into tabs other than the "Ancestor" tab. So I was wondering if "dargrs" is really the right name for a template meant only for accessing pages under the ancestors tab. Maybe it should be "darancestor"? Others might be "darmember" and so on.... On the conventions - I don't have a strong preference - I just want to avoid running over the hundred or so related pages more than once - so I'ld appreciate it if we could get someone else to buy in to the name change and name(s) for templates before I charge off with the changes. --jrm03063 20:41, 6 November 2013 (UTC)
- Your plan sounds good. Out of curiosity - what do you mean by "running over the hundred or so related pages"? Were you referring to adding your template to person pages or to something else? --Cos1776 20:49, 6 November 2013 (UTC)
- I'll be adding/fixing the template (name of which is TBD), but I'll also correct the form of the source name, rather than relying on a redirect. --jrm03063 20:57, 6 November 2013 (UTC)
- I suppose you could, but you really do not have to go back and correct the source names on the old pages. That is one of the benefits of using the redirect function. I can't think of why it wouldn't work. Please let me know if there is anything I can help out with. I'm happy to do it. --Cos1776 22:02, 6 November 2013 (UTC)
- I know - and that's highly useful as an intermediate step and/or when one doesn't have time to do anything else. In my case however, I'm going to be visiting all those pages to put in the right DAR page reference template anyway, so it would be silly to not fix the name of the source while I'm in there. --jrm03063 23:11, 6 November 2013 (UTC)