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2012-2013 Archived Messages

Weaver's [23 August 2012]

I am the gg-grand son of Cornelius Weaver. My g-grandfather was John Henry Weaver.

I have his a wall with Christian (Christoper) Weaver trying to find his father. What family are you researching?

Tim Weaver--TimWeaver58 15:34, 22 August 2012 (EDT)

Welcome! Thanks for the message. My connection to your Weavers comes through my interest in the Scheidler/Shidler/Shideler, etc. family and families of that Midwest region in that time period in general. I have enjoyed adding info to these pages as I come across it and I look forward to seeing whatever information and sources that you can bring to them as well. It does take a little bit to get used to the format, so please let me know if I can be of any assistance. I'm not an expert, but I've been at it for a while. Unfortunately, I do not have any additional info on Christopher/Christian Weaver. Do you have a scan or transcript of the marriage record to which you have referred or more information about its location for the citation? That would be a nice addition to help in sourcing his first name. --Cos1776 16:24, 22 August 2012 (EDT)

Since my father past away in May. I have been working the Weaver line. A friend of mine showed me the marriage record for Christian Weaver and Sarah Shideler in Montgomery County. I don't have that copy right now, but I will work on the references. I've seen a copy of the actual written record and other references in several different records since we found that it a couple of weeks ago.

I have been looking for Christopher for many years, because of the information in the Henry County book, and was not able to tie the two together, until 2 weeks ago.

I only have the lines from Christian to me. I don't have all the inforamtion on the siblings, but I have all the names.

Christian Weaver and Sarah Shideler

son Cornelius Weaver and Louisa Keller (Maybe,the 2nd wife) - son John Henry Weaver and Fannie Batchfield (Five Brothers) -- son William Marcus Weaver and Estella Lindamood (1-Brother, 1-Sister, 6 other wives) --- son John R. Weaver and V. Helen Enochs (1-Brother)

I have 2 sons and a grandson.--TimWeaver58 10:00, 23 August 2012 (EDT)

Virginia families [13 November 2012]

I see you're "filling in the blanks" of many of the Virginia families that I've been working over the past couple of years. Keep up the good work! Up until recently, I've sort of felt like the "Lone Ranger", when adding many of the early prominent Virginia families....

Best regards,

Jim:)--Delijim 12:21, 20 October 2012 (EDT)

Thanks for noticing. It is always rewarding to me when the branches start to connect. And yes, I agree, it seems quiet here lately. Wonder why? --Cos1776 15:43, 20 October 2012 (EDT)

I've been noticing this too, and I gave up on werelate a long time go--and I'm the one who loaded in the intial Ball gedcom though I shouldn't have at that time. Long story. All that being said, probably the cited and researched site for the Northern Neck families--included Ball--is something a group of created at ancestry.com. It's a private tree called Northern Neck of Virginia Families. You are welcome to take a look at it over there. If you find it useful, contact the project administrator, Jim Bartlett whose contact information will appear on the home page. Good luck. Craig Kilby--Persisto 15:50, 13 November 2012 (EST)

Kelley in Maryland [9 December 2012]

  My name is Bernard Kelley, decendent of Daniel Kelley born in Maryland 1774. I am trying to locate other Kelley lines who may be related. I had my Y-DNA done with some interesting results and want to find the other members of our Kelley line. If you have a male Kelley decendent living I urge them to have a Y-DNA test with Family tree DNA. If we are related I will be notified. Thanks for your time.--Bernard 13:28, 9 December 2012 (EST)

Frank Lackey, Indiana [22 March 2013]

I am not a blood relative of Frank Lackey, but my mother, Marie Dewitt, was adopted by Richard King Lackey in Richmond, Indiana in 1935. Richard's father was Frank Lackey and his mother was Josephine King. Richard moved his family to Miami Beach, FL in 1935. I was born there in 1948, and always knew Richard Lackey as my grandfather. Please respond to rkmc4850@gmail.com.--Rmapmaker 12:33, 22 March 2013 (EDT)

Hello - I tried to respond to your email, but it did not work. Thank you for writing. I am not related to the Lackey family but I am interested in the history of the families who lived in or near Cambridge City, Indiana in the 1800s. It has turned into a large, but very enjoyable project. Several of the Lackeys figured prominently there at that time, so that is how I ended up creating some pages for them. It is by no means a complete genealogy - just snippets here and there. If you are interested in adding any information and/or creating any additional pages for more members of your family, I am happy to help. Old photos would be especially nice to add. Best Wishes! --Cos1776 13:37, 22 March 2013 (EDT)

regimental category indexes... [6 September 2013]

I recently went through those, trying to systematically add WP pages where I could. Relatively speaking, I pretty much completely overhauled the way category sort order was done - from a unit,type to type,unit. I was warned that some effort had gone into all that - but I barged ahead anyway because I just didn't see how what I was looking at made that much sense.

Anyway - if I managed to mess anything up - please tell me what, and how, and I'll try to help fix it.

Thanks!

--jrm03063 15:46, 6 September 2013 (EDT)

I am not one of the originators of that project, so I too hope that I am not "messing anything up". :) I didn't realize that someone had already overhauled the sort once, so I hope that I haven't stepped on your toes. I took a look at what you had done before and IMHO your change was logical. I just extrapolated it out one more step - i.e. changing to a three digit number to force the correct sort order on the state page since the regiments can number into the hundreds. I try to add soldiers to the categories whenever I come across them, but I have been wondering for a while now if this project is still active? Do you know? --Cos1776 16:38, 6 September 2013 (EDT)

Ok - sounds reasonable to me at least. As to the activity of "the project" - I look at this all a bit differently. I see this as a reasonable WeRelate "shadow" of information organization on Wikipedia. Adding people to their respective military units then has the effect of associating them with that supporting information.

My main departure from what other folks do - is that I don't add category membership in the page body - but instead - add it next to the associated fact (see the association of Person:Joshua Chamberlain (1) with the 20th Maine, as a fact of his commission/enlistment date). So I don't care whether there are folks working on "this particular" category tree at this particular moment - only that its an organization that's reasonably consistent with WP and that it would be easy to add any given person as a member of an appropriate category, to bring together the specific person and the general information context.

I've also got several other trees of categories that I work similarly, one of which - battles/campaigns/wars - you'll also see on the Chamberlain page - if you go to one of the military battle facts, and walk the categories up from the link in the description field. It's just another way to drop in Person life events into the general information context provided by WP. --jrm03063 17:14, 6 September 2013 (EDT)

I think that what you have done on Joshua's page looks fantastic. There is a lot of power in categorization that can really set this site apart if folks would take the time to enter the information correctly as you have. Hopefully if we keep plugging away at it, more folks will finally realize the potential. "Build it and they will come... right?" Best Wishes --Cos1776 17:39, 6 September 2013 (EDT)

Carwile [19 September 2013]

Thanks for the update on James Madison havn't proved out that far on that line yet you any relation?--Kissmenow 17:46, 19 September 2013 (EDT)

No, I'm not related. I bumped into JM Carwile's page while adding to pages around him, specifically the family of his wife's sister, Person:Pamelia Brown (1). When I saw JM and Jane in Find A Grave, I just went ahead and added that to their pages. Best Wishes! --Cos1776 18:00, 19 September 2013 (EDT)

I stumbled into the same DAR duplication that you did! [6 November 2013]

I'm also remiss in not finding as many of the items as you did - and I even opened a second topic further down on the watercooler below yours! Wanted you to know - and seeking your input. Thanks! --jrm03063 15:34, 6 November 2013 (UTC)

Appreciate the notice. The merging is one of those things that is sitting on my To Do list, but I have gotten sidetracked. :) I was also trying to give it some time to allow any input to come in, but I think it has been long enough. I'm of the opinion to merge them all and favor the title "Source:DAR Genealogical Research System" (i.e. eliminating "The").

I also want to say that I like your idea of a DAR template and favor the display of the ancestor number to allow for searching. I personally use that type of search all the time as I find it easier to zero in on a specific individual. --Cos1776 15:52, 6 November 2013 (UTC)

I tend to always get rid of a noisy "The" - but wonder if it's exactly kosher to abbreviate Daughters of the American Revolution as DAR in a source title. I was presuming no - but I don't have any real basis for that opinion. Shall we ask the source police? --jrm03063 16:01, 6 November 2013 (UTC)

hmm...I hear you. Since the source (at least how I have been using it) is a compiled registry/website/database as opposed to a specific DAR book or pamphlet or chapter publication, I suppose one could make the argument that this is similar to Find A Grave or Wikipedia which do not have a source titles like "Tipton, Jim. Find A Grave" or "Wikimedia Foundation. Wikipedia." Does that seem logical to you? --Cos1776 17:00, 6 November 2013 (UTC)

Interesting. So neither "DAR Genealogical Research System" nor "Daughters of the American Revolution. Genealogical Research System" - rather "Daughters of the American Revolution Genealogical Research System"? Phew! I can go with that - but I still think we should get an opinion from someone who's done a lot of work on source naming. I'm ok with going back over pages that I've done - but I'ld like to try to do it once!  :) --jrm03063 19:58, 6 November 2013 (UTC)

Oh no, I'm sorry if I wasn't clear. I am for the shorter name - DAR Genealogical Research System - not the longer versions. I don't think DAR needs to be spelled out, especially since that is the official name of the database as specified by the organization itself. I've done quite a bit of WeRelate source naming here myself, but of course I am fine with running it by other folks.

One of my concerns before beginning the redirects was to make sure that all of the good content from the duplicate pages was getting pulled onto the final version. --Cos1776 20:29, 6 November 2013 (UTC)

I'll be careful on the consolidation. I've seen a couple pages that used references into tabs other than the "Ancestor" tab. So I was wondering if "dargrs" is really the right name for a template meant only for accessing pages under the ancestors tab. Maybe it should be "darancestor"? Others might be "darmember" and so on.... On the conventions - I don't have a strong preference - I just want to avoid running over the hundred or so related pages more than once - so I'ld appreciate it if we could get someone else to buy in to the name change and name(s) for templates before I charge off with the changes. --jrm03063 20:41, 6 November 2013 (UTC)

Your plan sounds good. Out of curiosity - what do you mean by "running over the hundred or so related pages"? Were you referring to adding your template to person pages or to something else? --Cos1776 20:49, 6 November 2013 (UTC)

I'll be adding/fixing the template (name of which is TBD), but I'll also correct the form of the source name, rather than relying on a redirect. --jrm03063 20:57, 6 November 2013 (UTC)

I suppose you could, but you really do not have to go back and correct the source names on the old pages. That is one of the benefits of using the redirect function. I can't think of why it wouldn't work. Please let me know if there is anything I can help out with. I'm happy to do it. --Cos1776 22:02, 6 November 2013 (UTC)

I know - and that's highly useful as an intermediate step and/or when one doesn't have time to do anything else. In my case however, I'm going to be visiting all those pages to put in the right DAR page reference template anyway, so it would be silly to not fix the name of the source while I'm in there. --jrm03063 23:11, 6 November 2013 (UTC)

Navigational issues [15 December 2013]

It would be better to this conversation here instead of on my talk page. I would like to hear more about these navigational issues you say you are having. If by that, you meant you wanted to be able to go through the lists of Govs of NJ or any state easier, that problem will be solved soon. There have been times in the past I started to create a new Governor page only to find out it existed under an alternate name - so I think I have some idea what you mean.--Daniel Maxwell 22:15, 15 December 2013 (UTC)

I don't mind holding it here. I do not believe that my way of doing prefixes and/or suffixes is against the naming conventions - which as I understand them, have to do with the page title. To make sure that policy hadn't changed unbeknownst to me, I reread the policy here. If you take a look again, you'll see that there is nothing to indicate that it is wrong to use "1st NJ Gov" instead of just "Gov" in a prefix box. Adding clarity to the prefix or suffix box does not change the page title which in all of these cases is not in violation.

As to navigation, I was not referring to moving quickly thru a list of governors, per se, but rather moving around in family groups and being able to quickly distinguish between individuals of similar name/timeframe in search results. As we all know, there can be many family members bearing the same name and sometimes even holding the same political office. I don't look at it as much different than using suffixes, such as "4th Lord Livingston", another William Livingston btw. --Cos1776 22:57, 15 December 2013 (UTC)

By 'against the rules' I did not mean formally. Just against the style conventions of this site. I don't think I agree with the example you give because it is also not part of his 'title' if you want to call a governorship that, and that is what makes it different than a noble. No one called him William Livingston, 1st Governor New Jersey in any formal sense. And it looks weird, because it is not a normal practice on this site to have unusual prefixes to make navigation easier for one user. Daniel Maxwell 23:04, 15 December 2013 (UTC)

Let me put it this way; if we were to accept 'numbering' Governors in the prefix, why not stop at Livingston? Maybe Chris Christie could be called '55th Gov. Nj' before his name. I'm happy to try and help you in any way to make navigation easier, but I don't think that prefix like that would work or be at all popular on this site. Is it a major problem? No, not really. I guess I'd want to solve your navigation problems before resorting to strange prefixes. Please don't take offense to this, I'm not picking on you with it. You have some good contributions and you are the kind of user we are trying to recruit for the site. Daniel Maxwell 23:28, 15 December 2013 (UTC)

LOL - Bless your heart. You shouldn't do and say insulting things if you don't want someone to take offense. Moving our discussion off of your talk page? Helping me with navigation? Some good contributions? Recruiting me? These are insulting and funny all at once! I'm not new to this site. I've been active here longer than you have, and I am just as much a part of the "we" to which you repeatedly refer as you are.

This is a wiki and my style is obviously different than yours, but it is not "weird" or "strange" as you state, and more importantly, it is not in violation of policy, and it does not harm the page. In my opinion it adds to it in a simple direct way, and I am sure that I am not the only one who would find it helpful, so it is not for the benefit of only one user. Furthermore, your premise that Governors are not referred to as "1st Governor of This" or "45th Governor of That" is incorrect as is your suggestion that only official titles are used in prefix/suffix boxes. Personally, I would have no problem entering "55th NJ Gov" in the prefix box of Christopher Christie's page, if he had one. --Cos1776 02:37, 16 December 2013 (UTC)