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If you need any help, I will be glad to answer your questions. Just click on my signature link below and then click on the “Leave a message” link under my name in the upper left corner of my profile page. Thanks for participating and see you around! Debbie Freeman --DFree 01:09, 13 August 2009 (EDT) [add comment] [edit] Next step: Review your GEDCOM [12 August 2009]You're not done yet! WeRelate is different from most family tree websites. By contributing to WeRelate you are helping to create Pando for genealogy, a free, unified family tree that combines the best information from all contributors. Now that you have uploaded Jacob v8 no living.ged, your next step is to review what your pages will look like, review any potential warnings, and combine (merge) people in your GEDCOM with matching people already on WeRelate. You need to review your GEDCOM before it can finish importing. Click here to review your GEDCOM Once you have finished your review and marked your GEDCOM Ready to import, one of our administrators will review your GEDCOM and finalize the import. This usually happens within 24 hours. You will receive a message here when the pages have been created.
[add comment] [edit] Place:48 Vanburgh Hill, Greenwich, Kent, England [13 August 2009]Hi, volunteer admin here. I patrol the place pages. I am sorry but we cannot have place pages for homes and roads. I had to delete those pages. Hope you understand. :) --sq 21:35, 12 August 2009 (EDT)
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[add comment] [edit] Image Licensing [8 April 2010]Hello, I am a volunteer admin and it's my job to help people learn the system. You asked for help licensing your images. I can't license your images but I can give your guidance. There are numerous licensing options, but most images fall into one of these categories:
Hope this helps. Please be aware that images left in the "Help needed" category for longer than two weeks will be deleted. If you have any more question please leave me a message. :)--sq 20:31, 8 April 2010 (EDT) [add comment] [edit] Next step: Review your GEDCOM [18 December 2010]You're not done yet! WeRelate is different from most family tree websites. By contributing to WeRelate you are helping to create Pando for genealogy, a free, unified family tree that combines the best information from all contributors. Now that you have uploaded US Turveys.ged, your next step is to review what your pages will look like, review any potential warnings, and combine (merge) people in your GEDCOM with matching people already on WeRelate. You need to review your GEDCOM before it can finish importing. We will keep your GEDCOM in the queue for two weeks to give you time to review it. Note: if your gedcom contains many errors or multiple families, we’d ask that you resolve and correct the errors, delete this gedcom and re-submit it without the errors before merging it with families already on WeRelate. If the gedcom is very large, we’d suggest breaking it up into separate files (or families) and importing them one at a time, which makes the review and correction process easier. Click here to review your GEDCOM Once you have finished your review and marked your GEDCOM Ready to import, one of our administrators will review your GEDCOM and finalize the import. This usually happens within 24 hours. You will receive a message here when the pages have been created.
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[add comment] [edit] Next step: Review your GEDCOM [19 December 2010]You're not done yet! WeRelate is different from most family tree websites. By contributing to WeRelate you are helping to create Pando for genealogy, a free, unified family tree that combines the best information from all contributors. Now that you have uploaded Essex Turveys.ged, your next step is to review what your pages will look like, review any potential warnings, and combine (merge) people in your GEDCOM with matching people already on WeRelate. You need to review your GEDCOM before it can finish importing. We will keep your GEDCOM in the queue for two weeks to give you time to review it. Note: if your gedcom contains many errors or multiple families, we’d ask that you resolve and correct the errors, delete this gedcom and re-submit it without the errors before merging it with families already on WeRelate. If the gedcom is very large, we’d suggest breaking it up into separate files (or families) and importing them one at a time, which makes the review and correction process easier. Click here to review your GEDCOM Once you have finished your review and marked your GEDCOM Ready to import, one of our administrators will review your GEDCOM and finalize the import. This usually happens within 24 hours. You will receive a message here when the pages have been created.
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[add comment] [edit] Next step: Review your GEDCOM [26 February 2011]You're not done yet! WeRelate is different from most family tree websites. By contributing to WeRelate you are helping to create Pando for genealogy, a free, unified family tree that combines the best information from all contributors. Now that you have uploaded US Turveys.ged, your next step is to review what your pages will look like, review any potential warnings, and combine (merge) people in your GEDCOM with matching people already on WeRelate. You need to review your GEDCOM before it can finish importing. We will keep your GEDCOM in the queue for two weeks to give you time to review it. Note: if your gedcom contains many errors or multiple families, we’d ask that you resolve and correct the errors, delete this gedcom and re-submit it without the errors before merging it with families already on WeRelate. If the gedcom is very large, we’d suggest breaking it up into separate files (or families) and importing them one at a time, which makes the review and correction process easier. Click here to review your GEDCOM Once you have finished your review and marked your GEDCOM Ready to import, one of our administrators will review your GEDCOM and finalize the import. This usually happens within 24 hours. You will receive a message here when the pages have been created.
[add comment] [edit] Next step: Review your GEDCOM [9 June 2011]You're not done yet! WeRelate is different from most family tree websites. By contributing to WeRelate you are helping to create Pando for genealogy, a free, unified family tree that combines the best information from all contributors. Now that you have uploaded Ancient Tullochs.ged, your next step is to review what your pages will look like, review any potential warnings, and combine (merge) people in your GEDCOM with matching people already on WeRelate. You need to review your GEDCOM before it can finish importing. We will keep your GEDCOM in the queue for two weeks to give you time to review it. Note: if your gedcom contains many errors or multiple families, we’d ask that you resolve and correct the errors, delete this gedcom and re-submit it without the errors before merging it with families already on WeRelate. If the gedcom is very large, we’d suggest breaking it up into separate files (or families) and importing them one at a time, which makes the review and correction process easier. Click here to review your GEDCOM Once you have finished your review and marked your GEDCOM Ready to import, one of our administrators will review your GEDCOM and finalize the import. This usually happens within 24 hours. You will receive a message here when the pages have been created.
[add comment] [edit] Turvey family of Rylstone [31 July 2011]Hi Andrew I have just found you are following the various Turvey pages on this wiki and hope you are researching the Turvey family of the Mudgee and Rylstone area of New South Wales, Australia. If this is so I hope you may be interested to learn the Rylstone Historical Society has set up a wiki for the recording of information which relates to the greater Rylstone area. The wiki is only in its infancy, despite this it has already proven useful to a number of researchers. A number of wiki members are also researching the Turvey and Sheumack families and have added a great many photographs and other information relating to these families. I hope you may also be interested in adding some of your information to the wiki. With this in mind I would like to invite you to join the wiki, which is free to do, and is open to everyone. Once a member you would need to apply to be made a writer which means you can then add to, or create other pages to suit your Rylstone area interests. Some pages which may interest you are: Turvey Album http://rdhsrwgroup.wetpaint.com/photos/album/193338/Turvey+Album George Turvey http://rdhsrwgroup.wetpaint.com/page/Turvey%2C+George+%281818-1862%29 Other individuals can be found at: http://rdhsrwgroup.wetpaint.com/page/District+Pioneers+and+their+Families Links to pastoral properties can be found at: http://rdhsrwgroup.wetpaint.com/page/Pastoral+Properties The main index to the wiki can be found at: http://rdhsrwgroup.wetpaint.com/page/Index+to+all+pages+on+the+wiki To search the content of the pages go to Google and use the following search parameters: site:rdhsrwgroup.wetpaint.com your search term E.g., site:rdhsrwgroup.wetpaint.com Dunagree If you have any queries regarding the wiki please do not hesitate to contact me at rdhswiki@gmail.com Regards, Fiona--Rdhswiki 06:14, 19 July 2011 (EDT)
[add comment] [edit] Next step: Review your GEDCOM [7 August 2011]You're not done yet! WeRelate is different from most family tree websites. By contributing to WeRelate you are helping to create Pando for genealogy, a free, unified family tree that combines the best information from all contributors. Now that you have uploaded Stafford Turveys.ged, your next step is to review what your pages will look like, review any potential warnings, and combine (merge) people in your GEDCOM with matching people already on WeRelate. You need to review your GEDCOM before it can finish importing. We will keep your GEDCOM in the queue for two weeks to give you time to review it. Note: if your gedcom contains many errors or multiple families, we’d ask that you resolve and correct the errors, delete this gedcom and re-submit it without the errors before merging it with families already on WeRelate. If the gedcom is very large, we’d suggest breaking it up into separate files (or families) and importing them one at a time, which makes the review and correction process easier. Click here to review your GEDCOM Once you have finished your review and marked your GEDCOM Ready to import, one of our administrators will review your GEDCOM and finalize the import. This usually happens within 24 hours. You will receive a message here when the pages have been created.
[add comment] [edit] Stafford Turveys.ged Imported Successfully [9 August 2011]The pages from your GEDCOM have been generated successfully. You may now:
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[add comment] [edit] DNA project [20 May 2012]I completed categorizing the DNA pages. Most are empty source pages created by the bot initially. The Morrow source page does have DNA information. I did not include the surname pages. A few have one name studies but only found links to DNA projects on the surname pages. If I ever post my Coker Y-DNA results on WeRelate, I would post the DNA results for lineages on the DNA Project page with links to oldest ancestor person pages if they exist. To date we have 4 established lineages but the person pages on WeRelate only relate to 1 lineage. There are some person pages for people that no lineage has been established. I would probably put these results on the person page if a page exists. But not sure. Looking forward to your input. Thanks.--Beth 17:46, 20 May 2012 (EDT) [add comment] [edit] Next step: Review your GEDCOM [7 July 2012]You're not done yet! WeRelate is different from most family tree websites. By contributing to WeRelate you are helping to create Pando for genealogy, a free, unified family tree that combines the best information from all contributors. Now that you have uploaded Abel Turvey.ged, your next step is to review what your pages will look like, review any potential warnings, and combine (merge) people in your GEDCOM with matching people already on WeRelate. You need to review your GEDCOM before it can finish importing. We will keep your GEDCOM in the queue for two weeks to give you time to review it. Note: if your gedcom contains many errors or multiple families, we’d ask that you resolve and correct the errors, delete this gedcom and re-submit it without the errors before merging it with families already on WeRelate. If the gedcom is very large, we’d suggest breaking it up into separate files (or families) and importing them one at a time, which makes the review and correction process easier. Click here to review your GEDCOM Once you have finished your review and marked your GEDCOM Ready to import, one of our administrators will review your GEDCOM and finalize the import. This usually happens within 24 hours. You will receive a message here when the pages have been created.
[add comment] [edit] Abel Turvey.ged Imported Successfully [7 July 2012]The pages from your GEDCOM have been generated successfully. You may now:
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[add comment] [edit] Next step: Review your GEDCOM [22 July 2012]You're not done yet! WeRelate is different from most family tree websites. By contributing to WeRelate you are helping to create Pando for genealogy, a free, unified family tree that combines the best information from all contributors. Now that you have uploaded Bedfordshire Turveys.ged, your next step is to review what your pages will look like, review any potential warnings, and combine (merge) people in your GEDCOM with matching people already on WeRelate. You need to review your GEDCOM before it can finish importing. We will keep your GEDCOM in the queue for two weeks to give you time to review it. Note: if your gedcom contains many errors or multiple families, we’d ask that you resolve and correct the errors, delete this gedcom and re-submit it without the errors before merging it with families already on WeRelate. If the gedcom is very large, we’d suggest breaking it up into separate files (or families) and importing them one at a time, which makes the review and correction process easier. Click here to review your GEDCOM Once you have finished your review and marked your GEDCOM Ready to import, one of our administrators will review your GEDCOM and finalize the import. This usually happens within 24 hours. You will receive a message here when the pages have been created.
[add comment] [edit] Bedfordshire Turveys.ged Imported Successfully [23 July 2012]The pages from your GEDCOM have been generated successfully. You may now:
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[add comment] [edit] And I thought "crap" was a technical term! [2 October 2012]Thanks! --jrm03063 17:46, 2 October 2012 (EDT)
[add comment] [edit] GEDCOM Export Ready [18 November 2012]The GEDCOM for tree Tullochs of Westray is ready to download. Click here. [add comment] [edit] Abel Turvey [18 November 2012]Dear Andrew i spoke to you before, my name is John Turvey Grandson Of Herbert charles Turvey. His parents were Abel Turvey, Annie Turney, i think you will find that Abel was not buried in Australia. I have his funeral cards with his grave no. He was buried with Annie Turney in islington cemetry in 1924 London.
[add comment] [edit] Abel Turvey Annie Turney [19 November 2012]Dear Andrew ty for message Abel died on 8th November 1924. Annie Turney Died on September 21st 1943 both are buried in Islington Cemetry London. re John Turvey--Johnturvey 18:58, 18 November 2012 (EST)
[add comment] [edit] Abel Turvey senior [27 November 2012]Dear Andrew, i just wondered Abel Turvey senior had a brother called william and if you trace Back some of the Turveys, they had Hebrew names biblical names. There was a Eskiel Turvey Amos Turvey are these are Jewish ? i'm not sure ?. Cheers John Turvey--Johnturvey 17:17, 27 November 2012 (EST)
Thanks Andrew i didn,t think there are Jewish connections. as we are christian people.--Johnturvey 17:46, 27 November 2012 (EST) [add comment] [edit] Turveys Islington [27 November 2012]Thank you for changing the place where My Grandfather herbert Charles Turvey was buried Bethune France. I appreciate your help. I agree we are not Jewish.Andrew do you have any photos of the Turveys or do you know where i can get any.Once again thank you very much for your help.--Johnturvey 17:57, 27 November 2012 (EST)
Thanks--Johnturvey 18:09, 27 November 2012 (EST) [add comment] [edit] Next step: Review your GEDCOM [29 November 2012]You're not done yet! WeRelate is different from most family tree websites. By contributing to WeRelate you are helping to create Pando for genealogy, a free, unified family tree that combines the best information from all contributors. Now that you have uploaded Tullochs of Westray Hugh.ged, your next step is to review what your pages will look like, review any potential warnings, and combine (merge) people in your GEDCOM with matching people already on WeRelate. You need to review your GEDCOM before it can finish importing. We will keep your GEDCOM in the queue for two weeks to give you time to review it. Note: if your gedcom contains many errors or multiple families, we’d ask that you resolve and correct the errors, delete this gedcom and re-submit it without the errors before merging it with families already on WeRelate. If the gedcom is very large, we’d suggest breaking it up into separate files (or families) and importing them one at a time, which makes the review and correction process easier. Click here to review your GEDCOM Once you have finished your review and marked your GEDCOM Ready to import, one of our administrators will review your GEDCOM and finalize the import. This usually happens within 24 hours. You will receive a message here when the pages have been created.
[add comment] [edit] Tullochs of Westray Hugh.ged Imported Successfully [30 November 2012]The pages from your GEDCOM have been generated successfully. You may now:
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[add comment] [edit] Next step: Review your GEDCOM [1 December 2012]You're not done yet! WeRelate is different from most family tree websites. By contributing to WeRelate you are helping to create Pando for genealogy, a free, unified family tree that combines the best information from all contributors. Now that you have uploaded James Tulloch of Westray.ged, your next step is to review what your pages will look like, review any potential warnings, and combine (merge) people in your GEDCOM with matching people already on WeRelate. You need to review your GEDCOM before it can finish importing. We will keep your GEDCOM in the queue for two weeks to give you time to review it. Note: if your gedcom contains many errors or multiple families, we’d ask that you resolve and correct the errors, delete this gedcom and re-submit it without the errors before merging it with families already on WeRelate. If the gedcom is very large, we’d suggest breaking it up into separate files (or families) and importing them one at a time, which makes the review and correction process easier. Click here to review your GEDCOM Once you have finished your review and marked your GEDCOM Ready to import, one of our administrators will review your GEDCOM and finalize the import. This usually happens within 24 hours. You will receive a message here when the pages have been created.
[add comment] [edit] James Tulloch of Westray.ged Imported Successfully [3 December 2012]The pages from your GEDCOM have been generated successfully. You may now:
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[add comment] [edit] How to measure...??? [16 December 2012]I know I've been wondering and talking about this a little, and I see you've picked up a similar thread. For all sorts of reasons we want to know how we're doing - in both general and specific ways - but havn't put much thought into objective metrics. In no particular order (and this is hardly complete) we seem interested in knowing:
I'm sure you can think of many more. I just looked to see if there was a relevant administrative group for metrics - and while I see lots of groups that would have interests and be consumers of such data - there really didn't seem to be any that has this as a core responsibility.--jrm03063 09:29, 10 December 2012 (EST)
Can I play? I help organizations with this type of thing in my "real" work. (ahem) My contribution would be in the area of helping articulate your hypotheses about what leads to success. Makes it easier to identify what to measure. Would also help you wittle your list down to those things that will most help you measure success. Jillaine 17:37, 16 December 2012 (EST)
[add comment] [edit] We Relate Featured Page - Week of February 4, 2013 [9 February 2013]Hi Andrew, just wanted to let you know that your article/project page, Tulloch in Westray, Orkney, Scotland, has been nominated and selected as the WeRelate Featured Page for February 4th (it will be Featured until the week of February 18th). It certainly is a great resource for researchers looking for information on the Tulloch family. Congratulations on a job well-done, and keep up the good work! Best regards, Jim Volunteer Administrator, WeRelate.org--Delijim 13:47, 8 February 2013 (EST)
[add comment] [edit] Your ideas are rather ambitious.... [4 April 2013]While it's very interesting to think about systematically mining genealogical data out of public domains sources, that effort is substantial. I've been working on a project of my own for a year or so - and while I hope to live many more years - I don't expect to see it done in my lifetime. If you're serious, I wouldn't consider it wise to try to pick a source and then extract research from it in the ordinary way. Instead, I would try to work from something that already had a pretty good transcript, or a functional equivalent, and - instead - focus the effort on linking the transcript back to people in the WeRelate tree. In the Savage transcript, I've been designating sections and sketches with special templates, besides adding Person page links in the ordinary way. I've also been able to write programs that walk through that information, presently only for reporting purposes, but I know I could mechanically generate source citations for Person pages, if I were so inclined. You might consider working on the History of Parliament, focusing on the members for which a biography is now present on-line. I've already added some 350+ pages from there, and the WP page claims there are more than 20,000 (though many are not yet available on-line). I think the functional equivalent of a transcript in this case, would simply be a long table (or set of tables) that give the names of the members in the groups and sequence that they're presented on the site. My thoughts anyway... --jrm03063 15:52, 6 March 2013 (EST)
[add comment] [edit] McCutcheon Talk Page [7 March 2013]Hi Andrew, got your message on my talk page regarding the McCutcheon Talk Page. It was my understanding that the discussion regarding your suggestion had been resolved, so I deleted it. Not sure I understand your concern. Since I started the Article Page, I didn't feel it added anything by leaving it thers. Was there some other thing that you wanted to discuss? Thanks, Jim--Delijim 16:19, 6 March 2013 (EST)
Your point has been noted, and I've responded again. Regards, Jim Thanks Jim. AndrewRT 14:01, 7 March 2013 (EST) [add comment] [edit] History of Parliament [8 April 2013]I have presumed to create the beginnings of a new project page, and to transfer the discussion, formerly located below, to the corresponding talk page. I hope everyone will feel comfortable continuing to contribute there. --jrm03063 13:59, 8 April 2013 (EDT) [add comment] [edit] New user [3 May 2013]Bonjour ! Pourrais-tu lire ma question ici ? - Amicalement - Marc ROUSSEL - --Markus3 15:04, 9 April 2013 (EDT)
[add comment] [edit] Next step: Review your GEDCOM [13 April 2013]You're not done yet! WeRelate is different from most family tree websites. By contributing to WeRelate you are helping to create Pando for genealogy, a free, unified family tree that combines the best information from all contributors. Now that you have uploaded North Ronaldshay Tullochs.ged, your next step is to review what your pages will look like, review any potential warnings, and combine (merge) people in your GEDCOM with matching people already on WeRelate. You need to review your GEDCOM before it can finish importing. We will keep your GEDCOM in the queue for two weeks to give you time to review it. Note: if your gedcom contains many errors or multiple families, we’d ask that you resolve and correct the errors, delete this gedcom and re-submit it without the errors before merging it with families already on WeRelate. If the gedcom is very large, we’d suggest breaking it up into separate files (or families) and importing them one at a time, which makes the review and correction process easier. Click here to review your GEDCOM Once you have finished your review and marked your GEDCOM Ready to import, one of our administrators will review your GEDCOM and finalize the import. This usually happens within 24 hours. You will receive a message here when the pages have been created.
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[add comment] [edit] Newbie advice for avoiding living person pages [18 July 2013]Hi Andrew I said I would have a go at extending the FAQ "Can I create person pages for living persons? At the moment, it states:
Here's a couple of paragraphs that you might consider:
I am having trouble with the second last sentence myself. But cutting back to the parents of a family group may cover it, not sure. Goldenoldie is a fair description of yours truly. I am still redheaded, but am old enough to have been included on the 1940 census had my family lived on the other side of the US-Canadian border. For people of my generation 1900 could be a good cut-off. For a younger generation 1950 might be better. BTW the videos didn't contain any references to the "no living people" rule and one of them seemed to stop short in the middle (Part 2, I think). I'll be glad to talk about any other problems that newbies might have. I've only been a member for 18 months and WR is definitely my genealogy program of choice. (Pat) --Goldenoldie 06:57, 17 July 2013 (EDT)
I consider it clarification. Currently WR states that we don't want members to create pages for living people. The would-be supplier of information is going to ask "why?". Our current response (deep in a FAQ): "In some countries it is against the law." We should at least preface that statement with something to the effect of "Many people feel that providing data about living people, even their names and dates of birth, is an infringement of privacy." and place it in a prominent position. (Many financial institutions use a birthdate as a check on security if you lose your password.) My suggestion of looking at one's family from 100 or 50 years back is simply an exercise I carry out myself to measure whether I want to follow a family group forward or not. Something else I just thought of. We think nothing of adding the contents of a will for people who died in the 1800s. But to add equivalent information for people whose wills are barely out of probate could really be a breach of security for the heirs to that will. Sometimes I feel that people can get over-worried about security. Then I read another newspaper article about someone who has been scammed and lost their savings. Doing genealogy involves walking a very fine line with maintaining one's own security and that of others that we mey not know at all. Regards --Goldenoldie 03:15, 18 July 2013 (EDT) [add comment] [edit] Person/Family page names [1 September 2013]You recently posted a question on this on my talk page, and I gave it rather short shrift. I'm working on a more detailed answer that leads to some additional questions I would have in turn for you - but since I'm allegedly employed - I may not get to it for another day or two! Hope that's ok. Just wanted you to know! --jrm03063 10:52, 21 August 2013 (EDT)
As I mentioned before, I wasn't happy with the brevity of my original reply. I also wanted to engage you a little more completely. I particularly appreciate that you've worked harder than most - and been much more understanding of my intentions (at the very least patient). I took a look around and realized that I've been contributing around here since 2007 - So there's some history - here goes.. I don't think there's a software/technical reason to modify the Person and Family page names to follow WR standards. It's built on media wiki after all, so I presume the underlying software is happy with page names that are more or less arbitrary strings. Presumably, the more arbitrary the better (generation of hash keys and such) - but of course - that's not how humans work. As to searching - I don't think page names play all that much of a role. At least - not within the limits of the various search entry screens that are easily accessible. I did found that consistent naming conventions - in the early days especially - were a big help since you could find duplication simply by noticing that the sequence number of a family page was "(2)" or greater. It's been a while since that sort of crude approach was systematically helpful, so I don't think that's all that compelling as to dictating adherence to naming rules either.
I could imagine that there may be some benefit from the perspective of search engines - but I havn't heard anyone make that claim. Also, the page names may play a role respecting what appears in a resulting GEDCOM - but I havn't looked at that closely enough to say. So - without any technical rationale - why bother changing the person and family page names to be more standard? In particular - why do it for the spaces that I'll call the "legacy area" (content that arrived along with large initial GEDCOMs, with uneven quality content in the medieval and noble spaces)? I think it all boils down to appearances.
Back when I was first pulling the legacy spaces together, I started making use of Wikipedia to get things sorted out. The initial content was the result of a number of massive GEDCOM amalgamations - themselves a product of repeated GEDCOM load/unload/reload cycles across all manner of pieces of software. That software imposed a variety of well and ill conceived default behavior - but the result was that the content was a thoroughly scrambled ruin. Use of the wikipedia page names, when present, was a huge help in starting to impose a basic level of sanity on the existing content - without wholesale deletion (which the community had repeated voted not to do). I started that practice before there was an accepted community standard. However, even after the page naming standards were accepted, I continued to willfully violate the convention (and was nominally approved to do so by Dallan). My reasoning was that what I was doing was a necessary step in getting things to a better state of organization - and it would be easier to rename things to standard later - that it would be to inflict the standard at too early a stage. It was a consistent approach in dealing with a space that was otherwise devoid of consistency, so it was a great help then. Things are of course much better now. Earlier this year I figured the time had come to start thinking about how to get to better page names systematically - and for situations where the current conventions didn't obviously apply. So I foolishly decided to offer a somewhat radical proposal on the handling of unconventional surname situations for consideration. I was stunned by the vituperative response - particularly since (it seems to me) the only reason that the spaces we were talking about had any value at all was because of the years of work I was well recorded to have invested! Moreover, while I was unafraid to defend my own ideas, I was also entirely happy to work with other ideas whatever they might be - and regularly said as much. All to no avail other than to have a member of the oversight committee offer to effectively take over (I really thought their job was to encourage and moderate discussion - not to inflict their own views - but no matter). So I fled from my effort to work with (at it now seemed) "the common clay of the new west" and decided to focus on wikipedia-backed genealogy in more recent history (post 1400s/1500s generally). This amounted to a fresh round of added wikipedia sources and Person pages for various nobility. This also involved beginning to transition to the standard - since more recent names are much better behaved as to convention. After a couple months of that, new additions started to become fewer and farther between - and my efforts began to be more and more dominated by the renaming pass. I've been resolving obvious departures from the standard pretty much whenever I came across them. So far, my renaming pass has been essentially random. That process too, however, has starting to be exhausted. As you suggest - we're going to need to come up with some software to support more systematic searching for non-standard or problematic situations. A few more thoughts for the present:
Ok, I'm exhausted. I'm sure I've forgotten something - but I hope this helps...best regards. --jrm03063 10:36, 26 August 2013 (EDT)
AndrewRT 13:59, 26 August 2013 (EDT)
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[add comment] [edit] Featured place: Hulcott, Buckinghamshire [17 September 2013]Hi Andrew Shock! Horror! You want this for a featured page? Hulcott is one of those "dead" parishes that I would love to have left on the cutting-room floor. I have lived in Buckinghamshire for more than 40 years and had never even heard of it! Seriously, though, this is a compliment. And I thank you. But I do suggest you cast your eye through the rest of Buckinghamshire (every parish done as of this afternoon), many of the counties of Scotland south of the Firths of Forth and Clyde (i.e., south of Glasgow and Edinburgh), and Ontario, Canada--which I worked on first. Some parishes and townships have outline maps of the county being covered, many don't. I am sure you will find others better than Hulcott. Maybe, Haddenham, Buckinghamshire. Regards, Pat --Goldenoldie 15:57, 1 September 2013 (EDT) Did a page ever go forward? --Goldenoldie 03:45, 14 September 2013 (EDT)
I still wish you had changed the featured page to Haddenham which has somewhat more detail about the town itself. The Research Tips are a group of templates which vary very little from one place to another within the county. Regards --Goldenoldie 06:46, 17 September 2013 (EDT) I did! See WeRelate:Featured_page_nominations. AndrewRT 14:07, 17 September 2013 (EDT) [add comment] [edit] Living person 'disagreement' [17 September 2013]Sorry if I upset you earlier in the discussion, I realize now that we probably didn't really disagree on the issue at all but I failed to state exactly where the problem was. WR's policy was buried on years old talk pages and I was just hoping to see a more formal statement on what it was. I promise you I was never going after your British royalty/nobility pages! Obviously, Kate Middleton and her son are perfectly fine exceptions to the rule.--Daniel Maxwell 21:00, 13 September 2013 (EDT) You're right I was upset - it's always a fear when contributing to something like WeRelate that someone is going to come along in a few years time and delete it all. I don't see the distinction, personally, between someone like Michael Middleton - a secondary person in a prominent family, but personally notable nonetheless and, say, Jonathon Bush, scion of a prominent political family who is also notable in his own right. More to the point, in these discussions neither you or anyone else has actually set out any value to WeRelate in deleting these marginal cases. What problem does it actually solve? What issue does it improve? AndrewRT 14:12, 17 September 2013 (EDT) [add comment] [edit] Featured Page Nomination [17 September 2013]Hi Andrew, got your message on my Talk Page. I've got your nomination in "the on-deck circle", so it will run at the beginning of October. If you find any more good ones, please be sure to add them to the list. Besides you, me and Jennifer (BJS66), we haven't had much in the way of Featured Page nominations, so whatever you add would be appreciated. Sorry the response is a little late, I've been swamped at work (year-end and budgeting for next year). Best regards, Jim:)--Delijim 17:14, 16 September 2013 (EDT)
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[add comment] [edit] In case you are wondering .... [7 January 2014]why I added notes to the Talk page of Thomas Tulloch and Mary Tulloch (5) after already adding notes to their son's talk page, it was just because I forgot where I added the original notes and had to go hunting for them, and then decided that anyone else reviewing potential duplicates might not think to look there. So I added notes in a more obvious place. :) --DataAnalyst 02:25, 7 January 2014 (UTC)
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[add comment] [edit] Sources on Scottish census websites [18 July 2014]Hi Andrew You have noticed that I changed the order on the 1851 Scottish census source-page. This is to let you know I have done the whole group from 1841 through 1911. I have sufficient Scottish blood to want to have everything for free, however, ScotlandsPeople is the official website as designated by the Scottish Record Office. That's why I put it to the top of the list. Ancestry are providing census images now, and in some years FamilySearch is, but all the rest are dependent on transcriptions. Reliability, or saving the "siller", that is the question. Regards, Pat (--Goldenoldie 18:44, 12 July 2014 (UTC))
[add comment] [edit] Ancient times? [29 July 2014]Saw you messing with ancient stuff out there. No complaint from me - but wouldn't want to see you suffer working on something that will not be generally appreciated. I spent years out there and found that my efforts there and elsewhere were held in contempt. These days I stay with my directly connected family. Good luck anyway.... --jrm03063 22:00, 29 July 2014 (UTC)
[add comment] [edit] William Turvey (2) [12 May 2015]Hi Andrew I see you have been working recently on the family of William Turvey and Hannah Whatmore. I have been trying to sort out places in London, England, and have just come to Charing Cross which is a pretty important place, but, in fact, is no more than a street corner in the heart of a very big city. For this reason I was drawn to inspect the list of people we have for Charing Cross in "What links here". This includes William Christopher Turvey who, according to his WR entry, was born there. I decided to look up William Turvey in FamilySearch which is getting to be a very useful free first stop in finding anyone. There I found his baptism at St. Martin's in the Fields which is on Trafalgar Square and 20 yards away from Charing Cross. I have taken the liberty of entering this information with full source reference into the entry for William Christopher Turvey. However, I have also changed the birthplace to the more general "Westminster, Middlesex, England" which covers a lot more territory than the nearest street corner to the baptismal church. BTW, there is a Charing Cross Road not far away which probably still has the occasional apartment in amongst its restaurants and theatres and bookshops. Regards from a member who lives an hour from central London. --Goldenoldie 19:30, 12 May 2015 (UTC)
Very likely. I hadn't dug into that many of the details. There are an awful lot of places that have been put into Greater London (created in 1965) just because our database makers knew they were somewhere in the capital. I am moving them "closer to home". It's a long slow job. I found a number of people who died at Charing Cross. No problem with them. It was a place of execution for Roundheads after Charles II got his father's job back into the family. (Pat) --Goldenoldie 21:30, 12 May 2015 (UTC) [add comment] [edit] GEDCOM Export Ready [15 May 2016]The GEDCOM for tree Abel Turvey is ready to download. Click here. [add comment] [edit] GEDCOM Export Ready [15 May 2016]The GEDCOM for tree Ancient Tullochs is ready to download. Click here. [add comment] [edit] GEDCOM Export Ready [15 May 2016]The GEDCOM for tree Beds Turvey is ready to download. Click here. [add comment] [edit] GEDCOM Export Ready [15 May 2016]The GEDCOM for tree Essex Turveys is ready to download. Click here. [add comment] [edit] GEDCOM Export Ready [15 May 2016]The GEDCOM for tree Hyatt Turveys is ready to download. Click here. [add comment] [edit] GEDCOM Export Ready [15 May 2016]The GEDCOM for tree Jacob Turvey is ready to download. Click here. [add comment] [edit] GEDCOM Export Ready [15 May 2016]The GEDCOM for tree Jamaica Tullochs is ready to download. Click here. [add comment] [edit] GEDCOM Export Ready [15 May 2016]The GEDCOM for tree Marrs of East Lothian is ready to download. Click here. [add comment] [edit] GEDCOM Export Ready [15 May 2016]The GEDCOM for tree Stafford Turveys is ready to download. Click here. [add comment] [edit] GEDCOM Export Ready [15 May 2016]The GEDCOM for tree Tullochs of Orkney is ready to download. Click here. [add comment] [edit] GEDCOM Export Ready [15 May 2016]The GEDCOM for tree Turfus of Orkney is ready to download. Click here. [add comment] [edit] GEDCOM Export Ready [15 May 2016]The GEDCOM for tree US Turveys is ready to download. Click here. [add comment] [edit] GEDCOM Export Ready [18 May 2016]The GEDCOM for tree Beds Turvey is ready to download. Click here. [add comment] [edit] GEDCOM Export Ready [18 May 2016]The GEDCOM for tree Beds Turvey is ready to download. Click here. [add comment] [edit] need some statistics or encouraging posts [7 June 2016]Andrew, I'm remembering you sometimes post some statistics. Right now I feel like many users have become discouraged and I'm trying to think of ways to encourage them while the revised Oversight Committee tries to pull things together and make some positive changes. It is difficult for the average user to judge or know how things are going. Could you post some statistics to the watercooler of daily uploads or edits or anything so we know folks are still using the site? And when I came to your talk page, I see all the GEDCOM exports and sure hope you're not giving up on WeRelate!! I think the flap over embedded ads was a wakeup call for lots of folks and perhaps we and the powers-that-be can finally get some improvements. With all it's problems, WeRelate and the pando concept is still the best around. --janiejac 21:49, 7 June 2016 (UTC)
[add comment] [edit] GEDCOM Export Ready [27 July 2016]The GEDCOM for tree Philip Henry Turvey is ready to download. Click here. [add comment] [edit] GEDCOM Export Ready [3 September 2016]The GEDCOM for tree Margaret Tulloch is ready to download. Click here. [add comment] [edit] GEDCOM Export Ready [3 September 2016]The GEDCOM for tree Margaret Tulloch is ready to download. Click here. [add comment] [edit] Tullochs of North Ronaldsay [1 May 2018]Andrew, Being a direct decedent of the Tullochs of North Ronaldsay { grandmother was a Tulloch] and am interested in anyone doing research into this family.--WattoatSelkie 12:03, 1 May 2018 (UTC) [add comment] [edit] Grandmother Florence Nelly Turvey [10 April 2019]Andrew, You are probably wondering who i am. I have been following my Family Tree for some time now, on the Ancestry site. When i looked into the Public Member Trees , i saw your name under the Bedfordshire Turveys. My Grandmother was Florence Nelly Turvey born 1897 , she married a William Fleetwood Dean in Dunstable in 1923. Florence's Father was Edwin Turvey a Straw Hat Blocker in the day. We may be related somewhere along the way?. It would be nice to get in touch , if possible?. I have just joined this Geneology site,so not used to the protocol!. Best wishes, Wendy--Wendy J P 20:04, 10 April 2019 (UTC) [add comment] [edit] Hulme, Cheshire, England [31 March 2021]Andrew Your name has registered as a watcher of this page from back in August 2009. I am going through Cheshire places trying to move individual "Unknown places" to where they really ought to be. Hulme is difficult because it comes up as a prefix or suffix in five different places (e.g., Cheadle Hulme, or Hulme Chapel). Would you be able to link the place Hulme with a person or family so that I could work out which of the five possibilities it should link to. The other possibility is to delete Hulme altogether, but I hesitate to do that if there is a way to tie it up properly. Many thanks --Goldenoldie 19:48, 18 January 2021 (UTC)
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