User talk:Woepwoep

Welkom [4 October 2013]

Welkom bij WeRelate, uw virtuele genealogische gemeenschap. Fijn dat u zich heeft aangemeld! Met WeRelate kunt u gemakkelijk webpagina's van uw voorouders maken, contact opnemen met andere genealogen en nieuwe informatie vinden.

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• Lees de wiki basisbeginselen in dit Spiekbriefje (in het Nederlands)
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• Bekijk de "Getting Started" voorbeeld videos en leer hoe u wiki pagina's voor uw voorouders aanmaakt (in het Engels)
• Bekijk de Stap-voor-stap voorbeelden, indien nodig (in het Engels)

--Jennifer (JBS66) 22:58, 4 October 2013 (UTC)

Next step: Review your GEDCOM [4 October 2013]

You're not done yet!

WeRelate is different from most family tree websites. By contributing to WeRelate you are helping to create Pando for genealogy, a free, unified family tree that combines the best information from all contributors.

Now that you have uploaded woepwoep.ged, your next step is to review what your pages will look like, review any potential warnings, and combine (merge) people in your GEDCOM with matching people already on WeRelate. You need to review your GEDCOM before it can finish importing. We will keep your GEDCOM in the queue for two weeks to give you time to review it.

Note: if your gedcom contains many errors or multiple families, we’d ask that you resolve and correct the errors, delete this gedcom and re-submit it without the errors before merging it with families already on WeRelate. If the gedcom is very large, we’d suggest breaking it up into separate files (or families) and importing them one at a time, which makes the review and correction process easier.

Click here to review your GEDCOM

Once you have finished your review and marked your GEDCOM Ready to import, one of our administrators will review your GEDCOM and finalize the import. This usually happens within 24 hours. You will receive a message here when the pages have been created.

--WeRelate agent 23:00, 4 October 2013 (UTC)

Gedcom-import

Ronald: hartelijk welkom,

dank je !

in de gedcom zijn helaas teveel fouten. Zo kan deze gedcom niet overgenomen worden. Een gezin heb ik nagekeken: Hendricus Hesseling & Johanna Schenning en daarbij heb ik vastgesteld, dat bij beide personen de overlijdensdatum fout is, zij zijn beide overleden in 1891 in Lengel. tevens is het geboortedatum van Hendricus/Hendrik Hesseling onjuist, hij is geboren in 1814. thx !

In WeRelate proberen wij een goede kwaliteit van de gegevens te garanderen. Daarom is het uiterst belangrijk, dat de via gedcom ingevoerde gegevens juist zijn en zoveel mogelijk met bronnen gedocumenteerd, de bronnen die verwijzen naar andere familie-websites worden niet als bron geaccepteerd. Voor de bronnen is het van belang terug te gaan naar de akten van de burgerlijke stand, bevolkingsregisters en oude kerkelijke of rechterlijke archieven. De plaatsnamen zijn in WeRelate georganiseerd volgens de gemeentestruktuur van 1900. Dorp, Gemeente, Provincie, Netherlands. bijv Kilder, Bergh, Gelderland, Netherlands of Lengel, Bergh, Gelderland, Netherlands. Ok helder.

Bij begravenis-gegevens is soms(?) de datum in het veld voor de plaats te vinden (Aukje Zomer). Voordat deze gegevens ingevoerd kunnen worden is het nodig dit alles te korrigeren.

Ok helder.

Nog een vraag - komen deze gegevens uit een gedcom-export uit MyHeritage? Helaas zijn veel gegevens in websites zoals MyHeritage, Genealogieonline, Wikitree, enz. niet erg betrouwbaar, eigen onderzoek is altijd nog het beste.

Ja klopt, in MyHeritage heb ik de meest uitgebreide tree. Ik ben ook begonnen in Wikitree maar die vind ik onhandig. Toen kwam ik uit bij WeRelate, deze gedcom upload is een eerste probeersel.

Ik beantwoord graag verdere vragen. --Klaas 06:13, 5 October 2013 (UTC)

Dank je Klaas. Ik heb inderdaad een vraag. Bij MyHeritage kan ik per match de gegevens overnemen van WikiTree. Nu zou ik dat ook graag andersom doen, dwz bij WeRelate importeren per stuk van MyHeritage. Bij WikiTree kan dat niet, reden waarom ik verder zoek. 4000 stuks handmatig overtypen vind ik teveel van het goede. De bron van mijn Wopereis verzameling is een boek dat in de jaren 1990 uitkwam: "Genealogie van het geslacht Wopereis". Dit boek is vrij nauwkeurig maar ook hier staan fouten in. Zoveel mogelijk test ik met WieWasWie, maar ook die is beperkt en niet zonder fouten. De vraag is dus of ik in WeRelate de basis import kan doen (side by side, links het profiel in WeRelate en rechts in MyHeritage, of andersom, en dan per veld (naam, gebdat, plaats, etc) kan kopiëren. Alvast hartelijk dank, Ronald

Ronald, ik heb mijn gegevens uit Aldfaer geïmporteerd. Bij de eerste keer bekijk ik alle errors en warnings, de plaatsen en de bronnen. Die heb ik in Aldfaer stuk voor stuk bewerkt, verbeterd enz. Daarna mijn eerste gedcom-import in WeRelate geannulleerd en een nieuwe gedcom in Aldfaer geselecteerd en ingevoerd. Er blijven wel waarschuwingen en alerts over, maar die zijn ook terecht, bijv erkende kinderen bij het huwelijk of 'te' oude moeders en vaders. Bij de plaatsen is het wel erg opletten, want soms worden door WeRelate verkeerde links gelegd. Mijn voorstel: importeer de MyHeritage-gedcom in bijv Aldfaer en bewerk alle meldingen uit WeRelate, reorganiseer de plaatsnamen en verwijder alle bronnen die naar andere websites verwijzen, behalve wiewaswie e.d. Daarna de gedcom in WeRelate verwijderen en een nieuwe gedcom vanuit Aldfaer (of een alternatief program) nieuw uploaden. Dan kijken wij verder.

Het verschil tussen Wikitree en WeRelate: in WeRelate worden de gegevens samengevoegd, elk persoon en elke familie mag maar een keer voorkomen. --Klaas 09:56, 5 October 2013 (UTC)

Page titles [10 dec 2013]

I noticed that you've renamed some Person and Family pages. The rule on WeRelate is to title pages with First and Last name only. For NL pages prior to the use of surnames, the pages are titled First Patronymic name. If the person was born prior to the adoption of a surname, but died after and used a surname in their lifetime - then we'd use First Last name. This allows for consistency in the titling of pages.

Page titles are not really as important as the name fields on a page are. For searches and on page displays, the full name is shown. Some people truly had multi-part First names, such as Jean-Baptiste. In that case, the page can be renamed to include the full first name with hyphen.

If you have any questions, just let me know! --Jennifer (JBS66) 20:25, 9 December 2013 (UTC)

hi Jennifer, yes i have renamed some pages to reflect the differences in persons. there are so many people called Jan Wopereis, even Jan Berend Wopereis or Jan Hendrik Wopereis is many times in my Wopereis book. and then these people marry families who are just as abundantly present in the Achterhoek. so when i see Jan Wopereis x Joa Baks that could be like 80 combinations. So for me it works when the family name shows the full names. but if that is against the best practices, then i guess i should play by the systems rule. thx, Ron--woepwoep 18:28, 10 December 2013 (UTC)

GEDCOM Export Ready [10 March 2014]

The GEDCOM for tree Default is ready to download. Click here.

Hoi, ik krijg die melding ook, in Gramps 3.4.8, maar krijg wel gegevens binnen, en negeer de melding dus. Mis jij data?

De standaard zegt echter wel dat hier een koppelteken hoort, geen underscore, en Gramps doet dat zelf wel goed. Werk voor Dallan dus.

Je kan dat koppelteken natuurlijk even zelf erin zetten, en kijken of het iets verandert. Heb dat zelf nog niet getest. Dallan maakt overigens van meer dingen een zootje, want de _UID tag moet een hexadecimaal getal zijn, en niet wat hij er in zet.--Enno 21:23, 10 March 2014 (UTC)

eerst lijkt het alsof ik een leeg scherm krijg, maar als ik op Personen klik dan komt er wel data. lijkt goed te zijn. thx! R

Names [4 mei 2014]

No, I'm sorry; I don't recognize any of those names. I'm not very familiar with that area of Wisconsin or of the people who lived there other than a family of my relatives who lived there for a time. Sharon--Sharonlemley51 15:24, 27 March 2014 (UTC)

Gebruiken van tekst [5 mei 2014]

Dag Ron, eens vroeg je mij hoe ik tekst overnam. Dat doe ik meestal via een omweg. De ene tekst plak ik eerst in Word andere werkt beter op een lege pagina van een wiki. Wanneer je tekst in het vakje Surnames (one per line): plakt worden lege witregels gelijk verwijderd. Ik heb een vaste link. Die zou voor jou User:Woepwoep/Zandbakje kunnen zijn. Groetjes --Lidewij 11:23, 4 May 2014 (UTC)

hi Lidewij, dank je voor je toelichting. ik ben momenteel in Oostenrijk, internet snelheid is niet je van het, volgende week weer thuis en dan test ik jouw aanbevelingen. hartelijke groeten, Ronald--woepwoep 20:01, 5 May 2014 (UTC)

Gelderland Question [28 mei 2014]

Hello. I believe you created the page Kring Van Dorth. What is your judgement on whether that place and Dorth are one and the same? (Apologies for not speaking Dutch. It's a long story.) --pkeegstra 00:46, 26 May 2014 (UTC)

hi Pkeegstra, yes i created the page for Kring van Dorth, based on the Wikipedia article and the need for a name for Wolter Eskes. As you can see, the birth certificate speaks of Dorth as a place of birth, with Gorssel as the gemeente. Is there something incorrect? Do let me know, thx Ron

Yes, the page for Kring van Dorth is very correct. But there is also a page Dorth. If that is the same place, I will merge that page with your page. Do you have any reason to believe that the Dorth page refers to a different place and needs to be kept separate? (I made a mistake once and merged two places in Zuid-Holland that were in fact different, so now I check first if someone appears to be the local expert.) --pkeegstra 10:43, 26 May 2014 (UTC)

hi Pkeegstra, do you have a first name? I think this is a platform for collaboration, so making a mistake is not possible imho. I usually ask Lidewij to "repair" when i have added a Place. I don't know about Dorth, Gelderland specifically. What i do know is that Places are filled with Place, Gelderland, Netherlands where actually the Gemeente is missing. I do hope that you acknowledge that this is a collaborative space, and people who are not supportive to fellow members are the ones that are making a mistake. Thx, Ron.

So from my memory:

Dorth is a village in my opinion do exist, but was killed in any war (before 1800). Kring van Dorth was the name of the municipality. Dorth a location. What happened is that a lot of the name of the municipality and location were used interchangeably.

Would be entirely correct Dorth, Kring van Dorth, Gelderland. But we start from 1900 so it is slightly different.

See top left Groet, --Lidewij 11:10, 26 May 2014 (UTC)

Ron and Lidewij, thanks to both of you. I figured if Ron and I were unsure of the answer, Lidewij would help us out. If the three of us agree that there need to be two pages both under Gorssel, one for Dorth and one for Kring van Dorth, that sounds like a good solution for me. BTW, I don't use my first name on the web because I have had problems with identity theft. And yes, I have seen many place pages under Gelderland of Dorpen which should be connected to their 1900 gemeente. I'll put that on my list of things to look at. --pkeegstra 10:30, 28 May 2014 (UTC)

I think it is safe to state that Dorth and Kring of Dorth are one and the same Place. see http://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kasteel_Dorth and https://www.natuurmonumenten.nl/route/wandelroute-landgoed-dorth-vlakbij-harfsen-en-deventer--woepwoep 10:40, 28 May 2014 (UTC)

Ron zoals ik al hierboven schreef de locatie Dorth ligt anno ± 1830 in de gemeente Kring van Dorth In deze gemeente ligt ook het gebied Schoolt Een deel van het gebied/gehucht Schoolt

See top left Mensen woonde toen nog niet in huizen aan een genummerde straat. De nummers waar men woonde waren kadaster nummers. Iemand woonde bijvoorbeeld hier in de gemeente Kring van Dorth Dorth 201 of Kring van Dorth Schoolt 150.

Dit is de kaart van de gemeente Kring van Dorth

Zie ook deze kaarten.

http://watwaswaar.nl/#gu-Ym-8-1-1v-1-4IRs-2Jsu---jkB

Groet, --Lidewij 12:12, 28 May 2014 (UTC)

Dank je, Lidewij, voor deze verduidelijking. In 1900 zou dus Dorth, Kring van Dorth, Gorssel, Gelderland, Netherlands in totaal vijf niveaus bevatten? En dat om die reden (4 = max) Dorth geen eigen Place krijgt maar is te vinden in Kring van Dorth? thx, R

Niet helemaal, ik begrijp ook dat het moeilijk is. Anno 1900 is het Dorth, Gorssel, Gelderland. Maar de data-base werkt prima. Je kan zien bij Kring van Dorth dat Dorth een tijdvak binnen die gemeente valt. --Lidewij 13:02, 28 May 2014 (UTC)

Groters [8 jun 2014]

Are the Groters family directly related to you? The Berend Huisman who married Johanna Reindina Groters is the namesake first cousin of my great-grandfather. (I was just discovering additional people in his family this morning. I'll add them to WR shortly.) --pkeegstra 01:16, 8 June 2014 (UTC)

Not to my knowledge. I thought Schependom is a small enough buurtschap to enter all of the families into WR. For me this helps to learn a little bit about family names in that region. woepwoep 08:40, 8 June 2014 (UTC)

Interesting. Did you connect with any other regulars here at WR? Sometimes I think about doing that for Burum, since they're probably all related to either my mother or my father. --pkeegstra 11:01, 8 June 2014 (UTC)

What are regulars? i see JBS66 watching Place Burum, why not contact her?

Place:Loo [8 jun 2014]

Place:Loo, Borculo, Gelderland, Netherlands

Ron welke plaats heb je voor ogen. Is het niet in Place:Eibergen, Gelderland, Netherlands groet, --Lidewij 17:09, 8 June 2014 (UTC)

zie http://www.werelate.org/wiki/Family:Berend_Groters_and_Henders_Kolthof_%281%29. Als je verbetering kan aanbrengen, dan graag ! alvast hartelijk dank voor je hulp, R

GEDCOM Export Ready [22 June 2014]

The GEDCOM for tree Default is ready to download. Click here.

 :) [22 jul 2014]

Ik begin dit leuk te vinden. Nu nog de finesses van de juiste bronvermelding etc.

Arne--Keizer1968 21:20, 22 July 2014 (UTC)

ja teamwork !

ik heb de afgelopen week besteed om alle Izereven (IJzereef) in te kloppen. ben al een heel eind !

R--woepwoep 21:24, 22 July 2014 (UTC)

[5 aug 2014]

Ik hoop dat ik alles dat je nodig hebt nu unwatched heb--Keizer1968 15:15, 24 July 2014 (UTC)

 deze nog: http://www.werelate.org/wiki/Family:Reinder_Izereef_and_Triene_Izereef_%281%29

Ron, it looks as though you are working to remove duplicate pages, is that correct? Instead of deleting the duplicate Person or Family pages, it's usually best to merge them. Hulp:Merge instructies. If you need any help, just let me know! --Jennifer (JBS66) 15:33, 24 July 2014 (UTC)

yes that is correct.

Reinder te Veluwe and Reinder Izereef seem to be one and the same person. I have experimented with merge but have had the experience that data are lost.

So i would rather copy and then delete. Once deleted, there is no way for me to retrieve what was in the deleted record.

Any help would be much appreciated. Thx, Ron--woepwoep 15:57, 24 July 2014 (UTC)

One of the advantages of merging is that it will automatically carry over any page watchers to the newly combined page. When you are not the only watcher of a page deleting becomes more troublesome.

During the merge process, when you see the pages presented side-by-side, there are little check boxes next to each piece of data. If the box is empty, the data will not appear on the combined page. If the box is checked, then the data will be transferred. --Jennifer (JBS66) 16:08, 24 July 2014 (UTC)

Thx, i am in contact with the only other watcher - the person who tipped me that these two Reinders are one and the same. I will test again someday with merger. Thanks, Jennifer ! Best regards, Ron

hi Jennifer

i have setup a merger, between Roelof Knippenborg (1) and (2)

i already noticed the search on the Compare page is case sensitive, e.g. i need to capitalize the K on Knippenborg

so how do i progress? thx, Ron--woepwoep 17:03, 24 July 2014 (UTC)

I tend to find & open each duplicate page first, then input the page titles into the Admin>Compare pages screen directly.

In this case, both Person:Roelof Knippenborg (1) and Person:Roelof Knippenborg (2) have Family pages with a spouse named Fenne Krabbenborg - so it will be easiest to merge the Families (this will allow you to merge the Family page, both spouses, and any children).

What I do is open each duplicate family in a separate tab (in Chrome, I CTRL-click on the Family link). This opens up:

• Family:Roelof Knippenborg and Fenne Krabbenborg (1)
• Family:Roelof Knippenborg and Unknown (1)

Then I go to Admin>Compare pages and put each of the 2 above page titles on separate lines in the Compare Families section - then press the Compare button.

On the Compare pages screen, click the box next to Match directly beneath Roelof Knippenborg and Unknown (1), scroll down and press Prepare to Merge. Check the boxes next to the data you'd like to appear on the merged pages. Note: See the circular "Radio button" underneath each page title? The circle that is filled in will be the new page title. --Jennifer (JBS66) 17:16, 24 July 2014 (UTC)

ok so i followed the instructions, i think again a lot of data has disappeared ?

will check with geldersarchief.nl to see what is missing. thx, Ron

Nothing merged yet :-) Here is your merge log --Jennifer (JBS66) 17:35, 24 July 2014 (UTC)

hi Jennifer, i managed to merge two families, so thank you for inviting me into the experience. best regards, Ron--woepwoep 09:00, 5 August 2014 (UTC)

Great, I'm glad that merging worked out for you! If you have any questions about the process, don't hesitate to ask.

On a completely unrelated note... I just wanted to make sure that you saw my response to a previous question on my talk page about Johanna Izereef. --Jennifer (JBS66) 12:12, 5 August 2014 (UTC)

yes it is still on my todo list. will get back to you when processing. thanks Jennifer !

unwatch [4 aug 2014]

ik geloof dat ik ze allemaal unwatched heb. ben aan het werk zal vanavond wat meer aandacht besteden--Keizer1968 20:09, 4 August 2014 (UTC)

graag nog deze unfollowen :

• http://www.werelate.org/wiki/Person:Anna_de_Rolder_%281%29
• http://www.werelate.org/wiki/Person:Jan_Rouwhorst_%287%29--woepwoep 20:20, 4 August 2014 (UTC)

saai he? [6 aug 2014]

Hoi,

Eerlijk gezegd vraag ik me af of het nog wat wordt. De gezamenlijke stamboom op FamilySearch wordt langzaam beter, en ik doe zelf ook nog wat bij Geni. Kost wel geld, maar is met ruim 100 miljoen profielen zo groot, dat WeRelate voor mij eigenlijk tijdverspilling wordt.

hartelijke groeten uit Driebergen,

Enno--Enno 16:43, 5 August 2014 (UTC)

hi Enno, ik zou wel weer aan het werk willen :-) weet jij nog iets voor me? WR is weliswaar fun, maar hoe dan ook tijdverdrijf. R--woepwoep 17:26, 5 August 2014 (UTC)

Nee, helaas. Ik heb heel spaarzaam contact met ex-collega's, en die lijken het best goed te redden, zonder mij.--Enno 18:11, 5 August 2014 (UTC)

geen probleem, Enno. had gekund dus dacht ik, ik vraag het gewoon. hoe is het verder met je? hartelijke groeten, Ronald--woepwoep 06:44, 6 August 2014 (UTC)

Dat kan ik je beter via een prive-kanaal vertellen, d.w.z. mail of LinkedIn.

Mijn saai he ging trouwens meer over de site, dat er na de discussies over wikipedia een grote stilte is, die ik an sich wel begrijp.--Enno 11:54, 6 August 2014 (UTC)

ja snap ik.

heb vorig jaar een webshop gemaakt en daarbij behoorlijk afgeweken van de source code. (circa 900 uur werk)

nu is er een nieuwe uit, maar het is een hoop werk om weer op het spoor te komen.

voor WR lijkt me hetzelfde a/d hand.

ook bij Ecademy(.com) was destijds 1 programmeur, die zo'n beetje alles in zijn eentje deed. Briljant, dat wel, maar eenmaal afgeweken van, in zijn geval, Drupal, kwam hij nooit meer terug op het spoor.

ik mail je privé wel om te vragen hoe het met je is. R--woepwoep 13:29, 6 August 2014 (UTC)

gedcom [12 August 2014]

Hey Ron,

Heb ik het moeilijk voor je gemaakt door een gedcom in te laden. Ik heb nog niet alles geverifieerd dus er zullen nog meer wijzigingen komen. Laat me weten of het de moeite waard is om de rest in te laden of dat het beter is dat niet te doen.Het lijkt dat ik veel werk voor je creeer.

Arne--Keizer1968 12:19, 12 August 2014 (UTC)

hi Arne, ga vooral door met oefenen! geen probleem voor mij om e.e.a. na te lopen en evt aan te vullen cq te corrigeren.

thx, R

GEDCOM Export Ready [16 August 2014]

The GEDCOM for tree default is ready to download. Click here.

Wopereis [13 sep 2014]

Ik mag dan geen Wopereis heten tot nu toe heb wel 31 wopereisen die mijn directe voorouders zijn. :) ............. Ik heb het gevoel dat wij vele voorouders delen lol.

Arne--Keizer1968 18:05, 13 September 2014 (UTC)

61x Bokkers in mijn [List][People] ... en dat is nog exclusief Bockers, Boekers etc :-) woepwoep 19:49, 13 September 2014 (UTC)

Gerrit Jan Hulshof [26 sep 2014]

• Nederduits Gereformeerde Gemeente LICHTENVOORDE

14.12.1749/01.01.1750 Tönnis Tiller wedn. van wijlen Janna Donderwinkel met Janna Specksgoor d.v. wijlen Willem Specksgoor, beyde in 't Zuywent.

• Family:Teunis Tilder and Johanna Spekschoor (1) nog samenvoegen

5.04.1753 Gerrit Jan Hulshof s.v. Berent Hulshof met Johanna Tiller wed. van Teunis Tiller, beyde uit 't Zuwent onder Lightenvoorde.

29.03.1760 Gerrit Jan Hulshof z.v. Jan Hulshof met Janna Kruijsen wed. van Jan Hendrik Siebeler, beyde van hier.

G.--Lidewij 15:12, 25 September 2014 (UTC)

Lidewij je bent een topper ! Fijn weekend, Ronald--woepwoep 09:02, 26 September 2014 (UTC)

http://www.pondes.nl/ [19 okt 2014]

Een heleboel gegevens over de genealogie in de achterhoek staan op deze website. http://www.pondes.nl Ik weet niet of jij daar wel eens kijkt. Maar ik gebruik het vrij vaak om basis informatie te vinden.

Arne--Keizer1968 18:54, 9 October 2014 (UTC)

Hi Arne,

Ja ik ken het, en fijn als jij die bron wil gebruiken. Ik houd het nog even bij Gelders Archief.

Voor mij werkt het als jij mij op een spoor zet door uit Pondes of uit DTB source te citeren, en andersom hoop ik jou soms op een spoor te kunnen zetten door wat zoekacties te doen in Gelders Archief (bijv met jaartallen / periodes, of met schrijfwijzen van voor-/dan wel/achternamen)

In ieder geval vind ik het zeer plezierig werken met jou.

Hartelijke groeten, Ronald--woepwoep 05:34, 19 October 2014 (UTC)

Harbers, Hulshof etc [3 nov 2014]

Hallo Ronald

Wat maakten die ambtenaren toch een rotzooitje van de familienamen in Lichtenvoorde! Ik had een onduidelijke duplicate op mijn lijst en moest lang naar een oplossing zoeken. Maar zo wordt alles dus toch beter. --Klaas 12:53, 3 November 2014 (UTC)

Klaas, je bent een held ! Ik loop nu alles even na en vul aan. Thx, R woepwoep 13:06, 3 November 2014 (UTC)

het is ook wel ingewikkeld, zowel vader als zoon Jan Berend Harbers zijn elk getrouwd met een andere Johanna Hulshof.

Family:Jan Harbers and Johanna Hulshof (3)
en
Family:Jan Harbers and Johanna Hulshof (2)

Ronald woepwoep 13:13, 3 November 2014 (UTC)

Lidewij [2 mei 2015]

Ja ik zie de veranderingen op lidewij's pagina. Ben meer problemen aan het creeeren met de siberinckjes :)--Keizer1968 15:02, 12 November 2014 (UTC)

ja dat is juist goed ! "Je kan niet veranderen en hetzelfde blijven." (zei ooit mijn Avatar master in 2002) en "Verwarring is een doorkijk naar zowel het oude als het nieuwe perspectief" (zei ooit de bedenker van NLP)--woepwoep 15:19, 12 November 2014 (UTC)

Tijd was weer op

beginnetjes voor jou in deze familie met enkele overlijdens met alleen de datum vindt je wel via je lijst.

Nederduits Gereformeerde Gemeente WINTERSWIJK

Trouwboek periode 1718-1740

02.05.1728 Gerrit Schuerinck jm sv wijlen Berent S - Corle

Geuke Woorts jd v Geert W - Miste

Index - Doopboek periode 1726-1735

01.05.1729 BERENTJEN, dv Gerrit Schuirink

g: Jan Schuirink, Geertjen te Beeke, Stijntjen Woorts

29.10.1730 JAN, sv Gerrit Schurink en Geuken Woorts

g: Geert Woorts, Hendrik Hemmink, Jenneken Wesselink

17.10.1734 WESSEL, sv Gerrit Schuerink en Geuken Woorts

g: Koene ter Heurne, Jan Woorts, Janna Hemmink

--Lidewij 07:05, 29 April 2015 (UTC)

dank je wel ! woepwoep 10:37, 29 April 2015 (UTC)

Ronald, waar vond je de alternatieve naam Wuestenesch voor Person:Jan Geurkink (2).

Wat een gedoe dat veranderen van de achternaam wanneer er naar een andere boerderij wordt verhuist. En dat de geestelijke ook maar een spelling gebruikt die hem op dat moment de juiste lijkt.
Getuigen willen de familie structuur wel eens helpen blootleggen.

Ik zal mijn eigen kladblok gebruiken gevonden families te noteren.

• User talk:Lidewij/Kladblok

Groet, --Lidewij 07:40, 2 May 2015 (UTC)

Lidewij, er zijn meerdere Geuke Woorts-en.

ik vond wel een relatie met Geurkink zie bijv Doop Geertruidt Geurkink, 11-08-1709

wuestenesch zie overlijden Person:Enneken Geurkink (1)

Ik zag ook meerdere Geuke Woorts, zo gaat dat zeker wanneer oma nog leeft. ;-)

Er zijn ook meerdere Enneken Geurkink. Namen ouders bij overlijden kloppen wel eens niet. Maar het staat genoteerd, dus betere maar vermelden.

--Lidewij 07:53, 2 May 2015 (UTC)

Teuntje [28 dec 2015]

Ron,

I have a Teuntje from Haaften who married into my family. Her Americanized name became Matilda. For a long time that confused me, but then someone said Teuntje could become "Tillie", and the step from that to Matilda was evident. Does your region of interest extend as far as Haaften? Or do you have Pippels among your people of interest? --pkeegstra 21:17, 27 December 2015 (UTC)

Thank you! Incidentally, to ensure that Google searches catch the alternate names, I make it a point to fully qualify them. (So searching on "Matilda Pippel" should return the WR page.) --pkeegstra 22:09, 27 December 2015 (UTC)

Haaften is close to Gorinchem where i lived 1990-2003.

My aunt is called Tilda or sometimes Til, her given name is Mathilde.

I guess Teuntje is not the same as Matilda. At least not where i was born Mariënvelde. Perhaps this was different for Haaften, which is Gelderland but close to 2 hrs drive from where i was born. Perhaps she wanted another name. Also possible is that her full name was Mathilda Antonia, in which case the second name was often the vocational name.

I will go through the geldersarchief.nl records and see if i can find more information.

Hope this helps, Ron woepwoep 22:12, 27 December 2015 (UTC)

Thanks! She was just 8 when she emigrated, and she worked for an American family after her parents died young, so I think she chose the name with the help of her American family because it sounded American. (To Americans, "Tillie" is often construed to be a form of "Matilda".) --pkeegstra 22:18, 27 December 2015 (UTC)

Her brother Tony is originally Teunis, which is Antonius (Anthony). So Tony makes sense.--woepwoep 22:27, 27 December 2015 (UTC)

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Admin [21 January 2016]

Hoi

I have added you to the admin group, you can add a tag to your profile page by adding a line WeRelate administrator inside two pairs of curly brackets.

I offered the other day to upload a small gedcom from my NL line for you to practice reviewing gedcoms on, let me know if you want to try this.

If you could let me have your email address I can send an invitation to join the admin community group.

If you have any questions please ask me, Nederlands is ook goed, though I do not write it often enough to be very good I do understand it.--Rmg 09:34, 21 January 2016 (UTC)

gedcom review [22 January 2016]

I have uploaded a gedcom for review, 30 people from NL mainly 20th century. As admin you can look through it as you would one of your own imports. As you will see there are no warnings and the people are not duplicates, a couple of families are excluded as the are only a marriage partner with no children. The places are all matched but sources are a bit of a mess as I used several naming conventions over the years, my plan is to add them to the correct WR sources as I go, for now they are just mySources. There is a duplicate family that I have merged. If you feel unsure about reviewing it then leave it for someone else or ask me questions, if you feel happy about it then on the last page you can click on upload.--Rmg 13:54, 21 January 2016 (UTC)

thx ! where do i get to see this gedcom upload? thx, Ron--woepwoep 14:59, 21 January 2016 (UTC)

Someone jumped in and revived it straight away much to my surprise. I will do another small one tomorrow and name it so people know it is for you to check. Normally you need to look in the admin tab, gedcom review and any that need review will have bold text.

yes i get this:

You are not authorized to review this GEDCOM; if you have questions, please contact dallan@werelate.org--woepwoep 17:53, 21 January 2016 (UTC)

It could be a delay in the flag applying or I did something wrong, it should work OK. I just uploaded another small one, once I have reviewed it I make it available for you to import. -Rmg 11:04, 22 January 2016 (UTC)

works now. but what a mess ! i see http://www.geldersarchief.nl/zoeken/?mivast=37&mizig=128&miadt=37&miq=1&milang=nl&misort=dt%7Casc&miview=tbl&mizk_alle=gelei*k&mip5=arnhem but in the gedcom there is a different marriage place (Wageningen). How to deal with such diff? thx, Ron

I am not sure where you got the link from, I assume this is the marriage of Gottfried Julius Geleick and Johanna Gertrude Onderstahl which was in Wageningen the gedcom record contains toegangnr 0207, Inventaris 7993, Aktenr 417. I do not think this record is available online currently. The site you linked to does have details of many of the children etc who were in Arnhem. In general I do not think you need to check if every source is correct, the main problem is with gedcoms that contain no sources or notes that may contain sources. -Rhian 12:22, 22 January 2016 (UTC)

How do i deal with Cranz? I found http://wiki-de.genealogy.net/Cranz/_Samland and the official name is https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Selenogradsk (which i found here: Place:Zelenogradsk, Kaliningrad, Severo-zapadny, Russia)

Sorry to bother with such ignorant questions. Thx, R

Yes there are problems with the way WR copes with Germanic places, there are a few in this gedcom that were in Samland in Ostpreußen which is now in Kaliningrad. Cranz is now Zelenogradsk. I have not linked them to places as I think I need to create some new places. I cannot add many of the earlier people until I sort out that Preußen was the country - Germany did not exist before 1871. The general rule for reviewing would be to suggest that the user tried to link to places or create new ones if there is a need, as a reviewer you should only really be looking to see if they have done most of the required work. Places that are unlinked will show on the page as a red link to remind them to do something about it. Raising a question as you did is often enough, normally you would raise these on the users talk page and click the return for review button on the last page. -Rhian 13:06, 22 January 2016 (UTC)

Dine Bokkers [29 February 2016]

Nee ik kan niets met zekerheid zeggen. Ik heb een paar dingen die erop wijzen dat er 2 Dine Bokkers waren. Eentje met als vader Jan Bokkers en de tweede met vader Willem Bokkers. De eerste is getrouwd met Johannes Bockelaer en is richting Ruurlo (marienvelde) verhuisd want haar kinderen zijn gedoopt in Ruurlod. De tweede moet getrouwd zijn met Leveman (kan dat nog niet verifieren) en is rond Lichtenvoorde blijven wonen. Mijn vermoeden dat de tweede Dine's vader Willem heette is gebaseerd op de getuige bij het doopsel, Arent Bokkers die een zoon was van Willem Bokkers. (ik heb zijn trouw datum gevonden).

Ik hoop dat ik je hiermee een beetje geholpen heb.

Arne.

Ps. Ben zelf niet veel op met Werelate bezig geweest, ben de familie geschiedenis van mijn vrouw aan het uitzoeken. En aangezien zij Amerikaanse is is het voornamelijk ancestry.com dat de klok slaat momenteel.--Keizer1968 04:49, 29 February--Keizer1968 04:51, 29 February 2016 (UTC)

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Uitermerkt Family [6 August 2016]

I was going to tell you that I had tracked one of my Michigan families back to Gelderland, but I see you found them anyways. Thanks! The one thing that stumped me is the comparant for the geboorteakte for Dries Uitermerkt. He is listed as Hendrik van Oosterum born about 1781 and I couldn't find anyone like that in either the huwelijsakten or the overlijdensakten. I found one Hendrik who died three days before the birth of Dries, but he was born about 1755. Any ideas? --pkeegstra 23:27, 3 August 2016 (UTC)

Check out the mother's marriage. It says "Opmerking:	wettiging 1 kind"
Which means Dries was born before they were married. Who was the father? So the child has its mothers name, and after marriage the fathers name?

could this be him ? thx Ron--woepwoep 23:32, 3 August 2016 (UTC)

Good find! That looks right. He was enough older than Aaltje that I didn't expect him to be a brother. --pkeegstra 23:49, 3 August 2016 (UTC)

Gerrit definitely emigrated. I'll write up his vital statistics in Michigan when I get a chance. --pkeegstra 23:57, 3 August 2016 (UTC)

It makes me happy to be able to collaborate like this ! Thx Ron woepwoep 00:21, 4 August 2016 (UTC)

Jasper's father-in-law is well known to many of the Groningen posters here at WR. It looks like Jasper's step-mother-in-law was also from Gelderland. --pkeegstra 19:23, 6 August 2016 (UTC)

Dutch user with question about trees [7 sep 2016]

Hi Ron, there is a Dutch user with some questions about "trees". I think he would benefit from an explanation in Dutch, as I'm having a little difficulty answering these questions. Would you mind if I referred him here to this thread, and perhaps we could help him together? --Jennifer (JBS66) 10:39, 7 September 2016 (UTC)

sure ! thx R woepwoep 11:48, 7 September 2016 (UTC)

Thank you! From what I understand, he doesn't need to use trees for GEDCOM downloads. Also, he doesn't really like having to check the "tree" boxes after page edits. He cannot just delete trees, because that also deletes the pages in the trees that are unwatched. One of my thoughts is that he could merge all of his trees into one, and maybe that would help solve his concerns. Anyway, I emailed him a link to this thread, so I'll keep an eye out for any questions. --Jennifer (JBS66) 12:02, 7 September 2016 (UTC)

Hi Ron and Jennifer, Jennifer, I have Ron also a mail send from a Question. I'm waiting on his mail. I'm waiting the night off. And see tomarrow again. --K Drost 15:33, 7 September 2016 (UTC)

I did see your email, will respond asap. thx R

Hello... [14 September 2016]

I invite you to examine this page for actual information on what I have been doing. I would be pleased to try to address any questions or concerns you might have. --jrm03063 03:41, 15 September 2016 (UTC)

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marriages Bartholdus Meilink [4 jan 2017]

Hallo Ron, 1) the above marriages are ok now + the relating children.

2) Hendrika Kluvers born in Wijhe: I cannot find her birth certificate. Funny, that she was born either in Apeldoorn (I doubt that)

  or in Wijhe, more likely, because her parents married there a year before her birth. What do you think? Beatrijs--Beatrijs 05:30, 4 January 2017 (UTC)

At this time, geldersarchief.nl does not have any records of child birth in Wijhe city, so i guess it 's too early to tell.

But yes i agree Apeldoorn doesn't make sense - unless her mother was taken to the hospital or for other reasons unknown.

Thx, Ron woepwoep 08:55, 4 January 2017 (UTC)

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More Heusinkvelds from Wisch [13 nov 2017]

Ron,

It looks like Susan Irish found us some more Heusinkvelds from Wisch in Lynden, WA. Are you interested in finding the connection to yours?

--pkeegstra 12:58, 10 November 2017 (UTC)

yes please. thx Ron woepwoep 10:29, 13 November 2017 (UTC)

sjabloon [27 apr 2018]

hello Woopwoop

er bestaat op WR een sjabloon voor herhaaldelijk gebruik van data, speciaal voor gebooorte, overlijden, enz. wat ik sinds jaren gebruik en ook door vele anderen zoals Pkeegstra. JBS66, COS1776 in gebruik genomen is. Nu zie ik dat je alle door mij ingevoerde data aan het verbeteren bent, zonder de sjabloon te gebruiken. Het was dus onnodig werk voor mij? Groeten van Beatrijs--Beatrijs 03:58, 25 April 2018 (UTC)

dat sjabloon ken ik niet heb je een link voor me?

ik kopieer van www.geldersarchief.nl de inhoud is dat een probleem? gaat er inhoud verloren op die manier?

ik leer graag, dus als jouw manier beter is dan wil ik dat graag weten.

hartelijke groeten, Ronald--woepwoep 06:42, 25 April 2018 (UTC)

Hi Roland, on the home page of WR you see "Search", when you click on that, you'll find "Search WeRelate" "Namespaces" "All namespaces" + the sjabloon: Namespace: Person Given name: and so on You can enter the relevant sources when you have entered all the above data.

Please let me know if you have found the sjabloon, thanks Beatrijs--Beatrijs 13:49, 25 April 2018 (UTC) When you have, please type in the name IJsbrand Hettema and click on search, then you get all the details of that person, marriage, children a.s.o. Beatrijs--Beatrijs 13:53, 25 April 2018 (UTC)

hi Beatrijs, i added the info for Geboorte IJsbrand Hettema, 16-09-1895 Aktenummer: 34 Aktedatum: 16-09-1895 Akteplaats: Herwijnen Geboortedatum: 16-09-1895 Geboorteplaats: Herwijnen (Lingewaal) Kind:

IJsbrand Hettema Moeder:

Petertje de Boer Beroep: zonder beroep Vader:

Catharinus Hettema Leeftijd: 29 Beroep: -hoofd eene school Aktesoort: Normaal Toegangsnummer: 0207 # Burgerlijke stand Gelderland, dubbelen Inventarisnummer: 4155

I could not find the sjabloon, what am i doing wrong?

Thx Ron--woepwoep 14:41, 25 April 2018 (UTC)

PS the link to Geldersarchief is https://www.geldersarchief.nl/bronnen/archieven?mivast=37&mizig=128&miadt=37&miaet=54&micode=0207_G_4155&minr=28225840&miview=ldt--woepwoep 14:42, 25 April 2018 (UTC) Gelderse archieven: see below:

Home  Bronnen  Archieven

Foute parameter in URL Door een fout in de URL kan deze pagina niet getoond worden. Beatrijs--Beatrijs 23:34, 25 April 2018 (UTC)

This one better? https://www.geldersarchief.nl/bronnen/archieven?mivast=37&mizig=128&miadt=37&miaet=54&micode=0207_G_4155&minr=28225840&miview=ldt--woepwoep 22:22, 26 April 2018 (UTC)

No i see it still the same. First open a window for www.geldersarchief.nl and then click the link. For some reason that seems to work. Thx R

sjabloon II [27 apr 2018]

Good morning Ronald, my question to you today is: when you go to the homepage of WeRelate and click on "Search", what do you see? Maybe we have different home pages?--Beatrijs 23:37, 25 April 2018 (UTC) Home Search▼

hi Beatrijs, can i email you directly? i can send you screenshots my email address woepwoep@gmail.com

thx Ron--woepwoep 22:20, 26 April 2018 (UTC)

main page - genealogy [29 apr 2018]

Ronald, the best information about creating an individual person page is to watch option 1 in the topic Help: Person pages tutorial. Kind regards--Beatrijs 23:55, 25 April 2018 (UTC)

i read thru but could not understand where i go wrong thx R--woepwoep 22:20, 26 April 2018 (UTC)

Ronald, wanneer je begrijpt wat het probleem is, hoor ik het graag. Groet, --Lidewij 13:23, 29 April 2018 (UTC)

[24 May 2018]

Dank je voor de aanvullingen/verbeteringen ☺ --HenkCS 16:13, 24 May 2018 (UTC)

Aaltjen Enzerink [21 October 2019]

I see that you added sources for Marriage and Death registrations to Person:Aaltjen_Enzerink_(1). I have some questions:

1) For Aaltjen's death, your edit states "Doopplaats: Drempt (Bronckhorst)"; yet the original DeathRegistration Image 301) states "geboren Zelhem en wonende Drempt". Please clarify?

2) Your edit to Aaltjen's marriage points to LDS film 108694 (Items 1-3). Item 1 is baptism; item 2 is marriages, item 3 is death/burials. Item 2 starts with cover page at image 87. Your edit mentions page 113; with 2 pages per image, I guess the marriage should be found on left side of image 144. It's not there. Moving to [Image 180] I see marriages for 1810 but not this one. Please clarify?

3) I did find 1810 marriage on [GeldersArchief]. Birthplace is given as Zelhem.

4) I'm looking for registration of birth/baptism of Aaltjen. [Bevolkings­register] suggests 1-okt-1788 Zelhem; although [openarch.nl] recorded this as 10-okt.

Found this; but mtoher's name is NOT a match!! [LDS film 108898] geb 1-okt-1788 ged 5-okt 1788 Kerkelijke registers (NH) Zelhem.

I think Death Registration is the only record so far with her mother's name; perhaps it is wrong. If you can find the marriage record you used a source (above); it would be very helpful!

Met vriendelijke groeten, Frank--fbax.ca 16:39, 11 August 2018 (UTC)

it looks like there's another person with the same name and the same birthyear yet different parents and different death date. looking into it right now. thx Ron woepwoep 11:39, 21 October 2019 (UTC)

G.h.vandoorn [9 February 2019]

Ron,

G.h.vandoorn has deleted his tree of mostly people from Gelderland (much coverage of Culemborg) and Lidewij and I have been discussing what do do about that. We invite you to join our discussion which is mostly on Susan Irish's talk page. --pkeegstra 13:48, 9 February 2019 (UTC)

G.h.vandoorn Apologies [13 February 2019]

Apologies for the confusion. The user who deleted his entire tree was G.h.vandoorn; it was my thought that since this person's tree was almost entirely of persons from Gelderland you might be interested in joining our effort (Lidewij, Susan Irish, and myself) to undelete and clean up his tree. I suggested one way to do so systematically was to look at the red links on his contributions page. (Portugal sounds great; I need to put that on my list for when I retire. I have heard stories of Huguenot families who came to Netherlands by way of Portugal.) --pkeegstra 10:22, 13 February 2019 (UTC)

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Approximate christening date vs birth date [26 November 2019]

Hi, Ron

I notice that you recently added pages with an approximate christening year (e.g., abt 1680). Could I ask that you use the birth date field instead of the christening date field when you don't have an exact date? The reason is that WeRelate uses only the birth date field to determine the birth century, so these pages show up as Unknown birth century (in the links on the left). I am working through all pages with Unknown birth century to find pages for living people, so if you use christening date, it just adds to the number of pages I have to scroll through.

WeRelate should consider the christening date when the birth date is blank, but it doesn't, so if you would use the birth date field, that would help me out.

Thanks.--DataAnalyst 13:12, 21 November 2019 (UTC)

Shall i ask Dallan?

Before 1812 there was only Baptism records, so when i see someone getting married i enter husband detail with estimated (20-30 years before marriage date, rounded by nearest 10) and then i come back later. As you can understand, the list grows with every entered marriage.

Yes i can do this, but it means i have to change the record when i get to the baptist day for this husband.

As you can understand, i estimate the chr date so that i get a clue if the husband is already in the system (as a child from another family for example).

So yes i will do this, but pls it is a lot of work for me to change the 20K+ manually entered persons from Gelderland, the Netherlands.

Thx R--woepwoep 16:35, 21 November 2019 (UTC)

Hi

I see. I don't expect you to change existing records - I will just skip over them. If your practice is to come back and change the approximate dates to actual dates, then you can just keep following your practice. I didn't realize that you planned to come back and fill in exact dates. When there is an exact christening date, then that is definitely the field to use, and there shouldn't be an approximate year in the birth field.

Thanks for letting me know.--DataAnalyst 16:52, 21 November 2019 (UTC)

hi Janet,

if the place of husband, or the place of marriage, is Gelderland, Netherlands. then you can leave it to me. or help me fix it :-)

thx R--woepwoep 16:56, 21 November 2019 (UTC)

I could change the software to use the christening date if the birth date is blank. That would solve the problem, correct?--Dallan 02:35, 26 November 2019 (UTC)

That sounds good to me --beatrijs--Beatrijs 03:04, 26 November 2019 (UTC)

@DataAnalyst does this work for you? Thx Ron

Yes, that would be great. I put a suggestion in for that quite some time ago. If Dallan has time to do that, it would be great. Thanks--DataAnalyst 14:52, 26 November 2019 (UTC)

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druk bezig! [1 February 2021]

Fantastisch werk, Ron!!--Beatrijs 08:39, 30 January 2021 (UTC)

geïnspireerd door jou, Anne -- woepwoep 18:11, 30 January 2021 (UTC)

Gebruik jij een template voor geboorte, huwelijk en overlijden (Gelderland)? Is het gemakkelijker voor jou wanneer ik datum van geboorte, huwelijk en overlijden door geef? Anke --Beatrijs 21:37, 30 January 2021 (UTC)

ik doe alles handmatig, gezin voor gezin. template leek een mooie oplossing maar heb nog niet kunnen ontdekken hoe.

woepwoep 02:51, 1 February 2021 (UTC)

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Living people not allowed on WeRelate [11 June 2021]

Hi, Ron

Please don't add pages for living people, as it just forces me to follow up and delete them. I'm trying to ensure that WeRelate doesn't have pages for anyone born in the last 110 years unless a death date is entered, as per policy. I'm going to delete the pages you just entered (Jan Jansen and Hendrika Lemmertink) unless you can find death dates for them. Let me know if you plan to look for death dates, in which case I'll give you a few weeks. I know this may seem frustrating, but the policy was set for a reason, and we shouldn't allow individual users to make their own assumptions about how long people live. Thanks--DataAnalyst 15:44, 10 June 2021 (UTC)

hi Janet, usually i don't add pages for living people. in this case the records stem from the official archive.

personally i think 110 years becomes rigid when Dutch civil law states 100 years after birth, 75 years after marriage and 50 years after death.

but if this is too difficult for an international community then by all means feel free to delete.

thx Ron woepwoep 07:11, 11 June 2021 (UTC)

Events before birth [6 July 2021]

Hi, Ron

I wrote a report to find pages with events before birth. You were the last contributor on some of them. I'm sure you'll want to fix the errors on these - probably mostly typos in dates. Thanks--DataAnalyst 17:45, 22 June 2021 (UTC)

Person:Theodorus Kasteel (1)
Person:Hendrik Wieberdink (1)
Person:Gerrit Vos (18)
Person:Evert Mulderije (1)
Person:Johanna Nijrolder (4)
Person:Antonie Bokkers (1)
Person:Willem Loderus (1)
Person:Antonius Tuinte (2)
Person:Hendrikus Wevers (1)
Person:Teunis Wopereis (7)
Person:Gerhard Kobus (1)
Person:Antoon Jolink (3)
Person:Wilhelmina te Roller (1)
Person:Henricus Doelhoff (1)
Person:Arend Floors (1)
Person:Bernardina Smitjes (1)
Person:Jan Klumperink (10)
Person:Hendrika Manschot (2)
Person:IJnskje Faber (1)
Person:Janna Dedert (1)

Thank you Janet. Beatrijs already took care of some or most of them.

Checking today the rest (if any).

woepwoep 05:19, 23 June 2021 (UTC)

hi Janet,

i think Beatrijs and me are done. can you rerun the report?

is there an admin entry where i can run the report myself? this is a very useful tool. most errors were from death dates in the 19xx where i usually have 18xx as a death date.

thx Ron woepwoep 09:32, 27 June 2021 (UTC)

Thanks for fixing these. I changed the selection criteria on my report and found 2 more:

Person:Gerrit Gietelink (3)

Person:Antonia Waalder (1)

done ! woepwoep 02:23, 28 June 2021 (UTC)

You can't run the report yourself yet. I am running it on my own computer. I hope to work with Dallan to implement the report on the WeRelate site, maybe sometime this fall or winter. In the meantime, I'll try to keep you posted as I notice errors on pages you updated. Note that I can only identify who the last contributor was. You can also check out the Events out of order page and the list that it links to and see if you can spot any Dutch names to work on.--DataAnalyst 14:45, 27 June 2021 (UTC)

Hi

Since I changed the report criteria, I found several more records created by Herman34. As you may know, he is deceased. Beatrijs was kind enough to fix some records I previously sent her. Maybe you or she can fix these as well. I notice that some are American - don't feel obliged to fix any that aren't in the Netherlands. Thanks--DataAnalyst 15:01, 27 June 2021 (UTC)

Person:Reynold Fleming (1) - fixed --fbax.ca 21:26, 5 July 2021 (UTC)
Person:Emma Schad (1) - fixed --fbax.ca 15:09, 28 June 2021 (UTC)
Person:Albert Niterink (1) - this is the only person that i could fix woepwoep 02:36, 28 June 2021 (UTC)
Person:Riemer Reinsma (1) - fixed --fbax.ca 04:53, 28 June 2021 (UTC)
Person:Adrianus de Boer (1) - fixed --fbax.ca 21:26, 5 July 2021 (UTC)
Person:Otto Stegenga (1) - fixed --fbax.ca 21:26, 5 July 2021 (UTC)
Person:Wiebe Alkema (1) - fixed --fbax.ca 21:26, 5 July 2021 (UTC)
Person:Berber Lettenga (1) - fixed --fbax.ca 21:26, 5 July 2021 (UTC)
Person:Goike de Way (1) - fixed --fbax.ca 22:15, 5 July 2021 (UTC)
Person:Bertha Stutting (1) - fixed --fbax.ca 22:15, 5 July 2021 (UTC)
Person:Hindrik Uneken (1) - fixed --fbax.ca 22:15, 5 July 2021 (UTC)

thanks @fbax.ca ! woepwoep 04:34, 6 July 2021 (UTC)

valse geboorte data [27 June 2021]

Hi Ron, ik heb de meeste op de laatste lijst (van Janet) al verbeterd voor je (had some spare time :-))

Mijn naam verschijnt daardoor op de verbeterde naam + datum. Een overlijdensplaats in Amerika schijnt fout te zijn (door iemand anders ingegeven). groeten van --Beatrijs 01:27, 23 June 2021 (UTC) Zie Janna Dedert

Ja fijn Anke, dank je wel !

woepwoep 05:18, 23 June 2021 (UTC)

hi Anke,

bedoel je Janna Dedert? rood is niet perse fout, betekent slechts: onbekend bij WR

soms kom ik een gehucht tegen die nog niet bekend is bij WR, die voeg ik dan toe aan Places onder verwijzing van de Wikipedia pagina.

thx Ron woepwoep 09:34, 27 June 2021 (UTC)

Regarding Janna Dedert; she probably did not die *IN* the cemetery. Also, Cemetery is spelled with three 'e', no 'a'. I've made some changes. --fbax.ca 14:43, 27 June 2021 (UTC) ha,ha, good one! *IN* Good to find some humor here - thanks! --Beatrijs 23:53, 27 June 2021 (UTC)

Inter-generational date problems [28 June 2021]

Hi

Now that you have cleaned up most of the date typos on individual pages, it is possible to identify date issues between generations. Here are a couple where you have been involved:

Person:Janna Velg (1) - born too late to be mother of the first 2 children (unless their dates are wrong)
Person:Elisabeth Kuhlmanns (1) - died before her parents' marriage

--DataAnalyst 15:19, 27 June 2021 (UTC)

fixed

woepwoep 03:13, 28 June 2021 (UTC)

Invalid dates [28 June 2021]

Hi

If you're looking for other errors to fix, here are dates that don't pass the new date edit.--DataAnalyst 15:53, 27 June 2021 (UTC)

Family:Jan Hallers and Lummeken Velthuijs (1)
Family:Jan Hallers and Aaltjen Karsenbargh (1)
Family:Willem Hallers and Barte Morgensterre (1)
Person:Gerrit Hallers (7)
Family:Berend Donderwinkel and Janna Siberink (1)
Person:Janna Hiddink (4)
Family:Johannes Sprenkeler and Johanna Wopereis (1)
Person:Berendina te Boekelder (1)
Person:Henricus Rondeel (3)
Person:Jan Brunink (12)
Family:Peter Krabben and Maria Knippers (1)
Person:Antonius Klein Goldewijk (6)
Family:Berend Beulink and Anna Willemsen (1)
Person:Harmina Klomps (1)
Person:Getruda Koolman (1)
Person:Johann Scholl (2)
Person:Theodorus Manschot (3)
Family:Bernardus Hoijbergen and Aleida Schinkelaar (1)
Person:Hendrikus Kaasjager (1)
Person:Johannes Frank (8)
Person:Jan Spekschoor (22)
Family:Johannes Hesselmann and Antonia Huitink (1)
Family:Derk Oosterink and Berendjen Massink (1)
Person:Pietertjen Hallers (1)
Person:Gerrit Hietkamp (5)
Person:Levi Simons (1)
Person:Hendrik Klein Bruinink (2)
Person:Catharina Dibbetz (3)
Person:Johanna Wolters (3)
Person:Alexander Bemelman (1)
Person:Hendrica Angenent (1)
Person:Wilhelmina Jansink (2)
Family:Andries Rutten and Margaretha Gielink (1)
Person:Grada Baks (2)
Person:Gerrit Abbink (4)
Person:Engelberta Korten (1)
Person:Johanna Korten (2)
Person:Hendrika Korten (2)
Person:Dina Schreurs (1)
Person:Dora Korten (1)
Person:Johan Kruisselbrink (1)
Person:Albertus van de Beek (1)
Person:Hendrik Hallers (3)
Person:Aaltjen Hallers (1)
Person:Catharina Modderkolk (1)
Person:Jennegien Supheert (1)
Person:Wilhelmus Luccassen (1)
Person:Helena Croner (1)
Person:Hendrik Hallers (8)
Person:Sophia Heinsmann (1)
Person:Wilhelmina Weijers (1)
Person:Johanna Tuenter (2)
Person:Ernst Wissink (1)
Person:Aleida Naves (1)
Person:Rika Buunk (1)
Person:Reinier Buunk (1)
Person:Hendrika Gotink (2)
Person:Hendrika Lammertink (1)
Person:Jan Jansen (162)

done !

again a great report

most fixes were absence of the day (e.g. 00-11-1757) and 31 Nov (year)

woepwoep 01:50, 28 June 2021 (UTC)

hi Janet,

i took the liberty to check on wikipedia for the oldest women in the NL, and when a person born in 1912 was not on this list, i found it to be proven that she was no longer alive.

so i cheated the system saying death happened before 2030 which in itself is correct,

but i would like to start a dialogue about the 110 year rule of WR, which is stricter than our national (dutch) law prescribes, and which is implemented in official registers like the one i am working with (GeldersArchief.nl)

thx, Ron woepwoep 03:17, 28 June 2021 (UTC)

Acting like a pack [6 July 2021]

Family:Henk Kaak and Frederica Pruys (1) I believe this couple came from "Achterhoek" area. All information I have is here on WeRelate. --fbax.ca 12:38, 6 July 2021 (UTC)

Dutch law says:

- born 100 years or longer ago;

- married 75 years or longer ago;

- died 50 years or longer ago.

therefore i have no official records until 2031/2032

thx Ron woepwoep 14:22, 6 July 2021 (UTC)

The Bevolkingsregister you attached to Person:Henk Kaak (1) includes Family:Johannes Kaak and Antonetta Willemsen (1) in same household.

Just wanted to point out my comment on the watercooler [26 August 2021]

Hi Woepwoep, I wanted to make you aware of my recent comment on the WeRelate_talk:watercooler.--Dallan 21:57, 4 August 2021 (UTC)

Thank you Dallan. I just returned from a 3,5 weeks holidays, so excuse me if i delayed response.

woepwoep 14:54, 26 August 2021 (UTC)

Very nice!!--Dallan 15:20, 26 August 2021 (UTC)

Place name order [2 September 2021]

Your message (which I need in front of me as I write):

i found a record of someone born in Stenern. this is a suburb of Bocholt, Germany which in turn is a part of Kreis (community) of Borken.

so now i have Stenern, Bocholt, Westfalen, Preussen, Germany. which is one step beyond the max places

question: what to do?

Hi

Janet (DataAnalyst) has asked me to make suggestions on this. I work on UK place names all the time.

(1) I was under the impression that German placenames could only have three parts, but looking at your question and knowing some German history, I would think four would be a better idea.

(2) What I would do in this case is to redirect Stenern to Bocholt. That is, make a page for Stenern on which the only thing written is

#redirect[[Place:Bocholt, Westfalen, Preussen, Germany]].

Then, if you or anyone else uses it again, all the entries will go to the same place.

(3) Once you have made the redirect you will find Stenern in the list of Alt Names at the top of the page for Bocholt. I usually make an explanation after the pipe "hamlet in parish", but you might want to say "village in [the type of place Bocholt is]".

(4) My general principle is to reduce the number of places by including only those with a BMD register (either a church or state one) and using redirect to group smaller settlements into these places. On a person page you can always put the name of the little place in the description box. I am currently working on Devon removing 100 "inhabited places" that I can hardly find on any maps.

Hope this helps. --Goldenoldie 15:19, 1 September 2021 (UTC)

Thank you @Goldenoldie this is really helpful.

Would you please create the page and will the page answer the question of 'What leads to this page?'

I would usually ask one of the dutch team but while you're on it, i would like your help.

Thx Ron woepwoep 02:39, 2 September 2021 (UTC)

Report of intergenerational date issues [16 January 2022]

Hi

Out of curiosity, I ran my report to identify inter-generational problems today. It counted over 83,000 problems. A sample of issues where you were the last contributor are below. You can see that a typo on one page can affect several other pages (e.g., if birth year of one person is 855, her parents and siblings all show on this report). Unfortunately, the typos causing the problems below don't show up in the list of "events out of order", because there are no other events for the person with the typo (and I think it doesn't catch marriage date errors).

Let me know if you want the full list of over 1200 pages where you were the last contributor. I can list them all at once or can give you a few hundred at a time if you prefer.--DataAnalyst 18:02, 13 November 2021 (UTC)

Person:Catharina Meekes (1)

this was a birth year 855 ==> fixed

Person:Garrit Bouwmeester (1)
Person:Anneken Hagens (2)

these two married in the year 806 ==> fixed

Person:Gerharda Alferink (1)
Person:Gerardus Meekes (1)

these two are the parents of Catharina so yes i can see that the family page is affected;

but only Catharina's page needed fixed, not the family page.

Person:Hendrica Meekes (2)
Person:Gerardus Meekes (2)
Person:Johanna Meekes (5)

three other children, siblings of Catherina.

the family page is different in that the order in which the children were born is different from when Catherina's birth date is one millennium later, and now she is no longer the oldest child.

Person:Gerard Alferink (1)
Person:Wilhelmina Schurink (1)
Person:Gerrit Meekes (2)
Person:Maria ter Weij (1)
Person:Maria Klein Gunnewiek (1)
Person:Janna Aalbers (3)
Person:Hendrik Bouwmeester (2)
Person:Willem Bouwmeester (6)
Person:Grada Bouwmeester (1)
Person:Hendrik Bouwmeester (9)
Person:Willemina Bouwmeester (1)
Person:Willem Bouwmeester (5)

so in all these records only two needed fixing.

the rest is as you say family related.

perhaps you can publish the report in the My Relate or Admin menu?

because two errors cause the flagging of many other pages that need not be fixed

so a rerun on your report that produced this list would perhaps show no longer these 15 other pages?

thanks, Ron. woepwoep 14:24, 14 November 2021 (UTC)

The report can't be run from WeRelate yet (and probably not for several months). I'm running it on my own computer, and it takes about 2 hours to run. I'll run it today and I'm sure it will show that all the records above have been fixed. I'll add another list to your Talk page - maybe the next 100 for you to deal with. But I won't be running this report every day - maybe every week or so. Take care.--DataAnalyst 15:11, 14 November 2021 (UTC)

I ran the report but the data it used was exported from WeRelate late last night, before your changes, so the impact of your changes doesn't show up yet. Here are the next 200 records:

... records removed - they have been fixed

Here are the next 400+ records, about half of what is left. Let me know when you are ready for the last batch. So glad you are getting these fixed!--DataAnalyst 23:11, 19 November 2021 (UTC)

... records removed - they have been fixed or will be reported again

Here are the next 200 records. BTW: I count it as an error if a woman is more than 48 years old when a child is born.

... records removed - they have been fixed or will be reported again

next 200 please?

thx R woepwoep 20:41, 16 December 2021 (UTC)

Here are the next 200 records. I note that the first 2 were on the previous list as well - these aren't due to a typo; they are on the list because Albert Krijgers (b. 1669) could not be the son of Hendrik Krijger (chr. 1767). I wasn't sure if you didn't spot the problem or just decided to work on typos for now and deal with this issue later.--DataAnalyst 17:02, 17 December 2021 (UTC)

the latter. everything before 1800 is complicated.

please endure. i'm applying Pareto's 80/20 here.

(80% of the solutions cost 20% effort ... and vice versa)

thx Ron woepwoep 04:22, 19 December 2021 (UTC)

I understand - no criticism intended. You are way ahead of others in dealing with these.--DataAnalyst 14:38, 19 December 2021 (UTC)

see for example this person. I removed her parents, but now she is on the list to be removed.

woepwoep 14:17, 21 December 2021 (UTC)

But you just removed her parents today, and the list was produced 17 Dec. The list doesn't automatically update based on changes, and I can't manually update it every day.--DataAnalyst 16:08, 21 December 2021 (UTC)

I need some more time to fix date issues from church records. Most often only the father is mentioned. In the 18th century, it is sometimes possible to know the other parent by the names of the godparents. So after 1810-now i will need a list of dates 1750-1810. Hopefully this will cover most of the issues. Thx Ron woepwoep 04:50, 22 December 2021 (UTC)

Does this mean you want a new list? I can't tell. The list I gave you isn't sorted by century. It is sorted by how big a gap there is between a person's birth date and the dates of their relatives. Do you want a new list sorted by birth year with the most recent first?--DataAnalyst 19:29, 22 December 2021 (UTC)

No current list is fine. Just saying that if the repair is not obvious, i skip the repair. So the next time the list will be shorter, and then yes i would prefer order by record date desc. Thanks for your work ! woepwoep 10:14, 23 December 2021 (UTC)

That makes sense. I will sort the next list by date desc.--DataAnalyst 11:52, 23 December 2021 (UTC)

ready for next batch [23 February 2022]

hi Janet, please send me the list of date mismatches order by date desc. thx Ron woepwoep 10:45, 16 January 2022 (UTC)

Here they are. Sorry for the delay.

list of ppl removed...

Hi, Ron

I've added messages to my report, so I thought I would give you a refreshed list with the error messages. I note that many of these are cases of children born before their parents were married, which might not be an error (although in some cases, a child's biological father was someone else, and we generally show that in WeRelate). I hope this new version of the list is more helpful.

refreshed list removed...

Thank you Janet this is really helpful !

Warmest regards, Ron woepwoep 08:05, 1 February 2022 (UTC)

Refreshed list [23 February 2022]

Hi. Here is the latest list, as of about 10 hours ago. --DataAnalyst 14:24, 22 February 2022 (UTC)

Person:Stephie Bergervoet (1) born before parents' marriage

I do not follow this person, nor can i find any information about her. Klaas can you add information / sources please?

Person:Pierre Zoete (1) born before parents' marriage
Person:Wilhelmina Leusink (1) born before parents' marriage

Can not find any other information.

Person:Gerardus Bonenkamp (1) born before parents' marriage
Person:Johann Meusen (1) born after father was 80
Person:Aaltje Meekes (1) born after mother was 51
Person:Henricus Bonenkamp (2) born before parents' marriage
Person:Aleida Leferink (1) born after mother was 51
Person:Gerarda Ceuben (1) born after mother was 51
Person:Antonius Rondeel (4) born before parents' marriage
Person:Gerardus Elschot (2) born after mother was 51
Person:Pieternella Zwakhals (1) younger than 12 at marriage
Person:Lammert Marsman (1) born before parents' marriage
Person:Maria Heuff (2) younger than 12 at marriage
Person:Henricus te Veluwe (1) born after mother was 51
Person:Judah Cohen (1) born before parents' marriage
Person:Willemina Raassink (1) younger than 12 at marriage; born after mother was 51
Person:Adrianus den Bouwmeester (1) younger than 12 at marriage
Person:Maria Emaus (3) born after mother was 51
Person:Antonia Slikkerman (1) born before parents' marriage
Person:Engela Walterbos (1) born after mother was 51
Person:Maria Emaus (2) born after mother was 51
Person:Aaltjen Wiggers (2) older than 90 at marriage
Person:Harmina Elschot (1) born after mother was 51
Person:Harmen Hulshof (4) born before parents' marriage
Person:Willemina Kraijenbrink (1) born after mother was 51
Person:Jan Bisperink (1) born before father was 13
Person:Derk Wopereis (3) born after mother was 51
Person:Antonia Kriegers (2) born after mother was 51
Person:Unknown Goldewijk (2) born after mother was 51
Person:Berendina Krajenbrink (1) born after mother was 51
Person:Albert Bakker (12) born before mother was 13
Person:Jan Beernink (6) older than 90 at marriage
Person:Derk Ruesink (3) born before father was 13
Person:Johanna Wopereis (8) born before parents' marriage
Person:Garrit Hulshof (1) born before parents' marriage
Person:Geertrui Wamelink (1) born before parents' marriage
Person:Eimert te Braak (1) born before parents' marriage; born before mother was 13
Person:Johanna Elferink (1) born before parents' marriage; born before mother was 13; born before father was 13
Person:Johannes Roller (6) born after mother died
Person:Grete Bargwevers (1) younger than 12 at marriage
Person:Jan Elferink (3) younger than 12 at marriage
Person:Hendrika ten Arve (1) born before parents' marriage
Person:Janna Heurneman (1) born before parents' marriage
Person:Margaretha Elferink (1) born before parents' marriage; born before mother was 13; born before father was 13
Person:Garrit ten Brinke (1) born before parents' marriage
Person:Antonius Krabbenborg (7) born before mother was 13
Person:Christiaan Frank (2) born before mother was 13; born before father was 13
Person:Jan Klumperink (5) born before parents' marriage
Person:Bernardina Biteman (2) born after mother was 51
Person:Antonius Domhof (4) born before father was 13
Person:Antonia Rietberg (4) born before father was 13
Person:Antonia Besselink (1) born after mother was 51
Person:Arnoldus Besselink (1) born after mother was 51
Person:Harmanus Huiskes (1) born before mother was 13; born before father was 13
Person:Gerardus Wopereis (12) born after mother was 51
Person:Joannes Knippenborg (1) born before parents' marriage
Person:Gerrit Spilman (1) born before parents' marriage
Person:Reindina Reukers (1) born before parents' marriage
Person:Aleida Gierkink (1) born before parents' marriage
Person:Antonij Vonk (1) born before parents' marriage
Person:Hendrik Kolkman (1) born more than 1 year after father died
Person:Maria Hummelink (1) born after mother was 51
Person:Berend Kolkman (1) born before parents' marriage
Person:Johannes Domhof (7) born after mother was 51
Person:Anna Goldewijk (1) born after mother was 51
Person:Reinder Rouwhorst (1) born before parents' marriage
Person:Johanna Tiller (1) younger than 12 at marriage
Person:Janna Hiddink (1) born before parents' marriage
Person:Johannes Frank (6) younger than 12 at marriage
Person:Gerrit Eekelder (1) born before parents' marriage
Person:Aleida Wissink (3) younger than 12 at marriage
Person:Teunis Waalder (2) born before parents' marriage
Person:Johanna Slikkerman (1) born before parents' marriage
Person:Eimert Penterman (1) born before parents' marriage
Person:Berendina Penterman (6) born before parents' marriage
Person:Antonius Knippers (2) born before father was 13
Person:Jan Heutink (1) born before parents' marriage
Person:Hendersken Heutink (1) born before parents' marriage
Person:Henrica te Braak (1) born before parents' marriage
Person:Hendrika Oldemaat (1) born after mother was 51
Person:Harmina Slikkerman (1) born before parents' marriage
Person:Johanna Rietberg (10) born before parents' marriage
Person:Johanna Naberink (1) born before parents' marriage
Person:Trijne Lutjenkosink (1) born before parents' marriage
Person:Hendrina Sprenkelder (1) born before parents' marriage
Person:Teunis Goldewijk (1) born after mother was 51
Person:Hendrik Lutjenkosink (1) born before parents' marriage
Person:Jan ter Haar (11) born before parents' marriage
Person:Harmen te Molder (2) born before parents' marriage
Person:Antonia te Roller (1) born after mother was 51
Person:Teunis Gierkink (1) born after mother was 51
Person:Geertruid Spekschoor (2) born after mother was 51
Person:Griete Naberink (1) born before parents' marriage
Person:Bernard Toebes (1) born after mother died
Person:Maria Goldewijk (2) born after mother was 51
Person:Tönnis Oldemate (1) born after mother was 51
Person:Garrit Donderwinkel (1) born after mother was 51
Person:Stina Specksgoor (1) born before parents' marriage; born before mother was 13
Person:Derk Lubbers (6) born before parents' marriage
Person:Hendrina Izereef (2) born before parents' marriage
Person:Engelina Kolkman (6) born after mother was 51
Person:Gerhardus Rietberg (5) born before father was 13
Person:Aleijda Coenders (1) born after mother was 51
Person:Johannes Reinders (17) born before parents' marriage
Person:Hendrina Reinders (1) born before parents' marriage
Person:Harmina Holkenborg (4) born before parents' marriage
Person:Geertruida Holkenborg (1) born before parents' marriage
Person:Jan ten Brundel (2) born before parents' marriage
Person:Wilhelmina Toebes (2) born after mother died
Person:Jan Reinders (44) born before parents' marriage
Person:Jan Rietberg (7) younger than 12 at marriage
Person:Reinder Toebes (1) born after mother died
Person:Reinder te Plate (2) born before parents' marriage
Person:Maria te Roller (4) born before parents' marriage
Person:Harmen Tiller (1) born after mother was 51
Person:Reijnder Izereef (1) born after mother was 51
Person:Geesken Schillers (1) born before mother was 13
Person:Gertrudis Knippers (1) born before parents' marriage
Person:Johanna Teppers (1) born before parents' marriage
Person:Garrit Rietberg (1) born before parents' marriage
Person:Teunis Izereef (3) born after mother was 51
Person:Johannes Toebes (6) born after mother died
Person:Teunis Tiller (2) born after mother was 51
Person:Derck Wopereis (1) born after mother was 51
Person:Johanna Spekschoor (10) born before parents' marriage; born before mother was 13
Person:Aaltjen Reinders (3) born before parents' marriage
Person:Hindrik Tiller (1) born after mother was 51
Person:Willemina Wopereis (3) born after mother was 51
Person:Anton Kolkman (1) born after mother was 51
Person:Antonia Schutten (3) born before parents' marriage
Person:Eimert aan de Stege (1) born before parents' marriage
Person:Aleida Sprenkelder (2) born after mother was 51
Person:Willem Wopereis (12) born after mother was 51
Person:Willemke Reinders (1) born before parents' marriage
Person:Derk Reinders (2) born before parents' marriage
Person:Engele Izereef (1) born before parents' marriage
Person:Garrit te Moller (2) born before parents' marriage
Person:Bene Vellers (1) born before parents' marriage
Person:Geertruid Rietberg (3) born before parents' marriage
Person:Engele Heerdinck (1) born after mother was 51
Person:Hinders Reinders (1) born before parents' marriage
Person:Maria Reinders (5) born before parents' marriage
Person:Janna Berenpas (1) born before parents' marriage
Person:Berend Olijslager (1) born before parents' marriage
Person:Jan Izereef (13) born after mother was 51
Person:Antonia Hulshof (3) born before parents' marriage
Person:Enneken te Kevelder (1) born before parents' marriage
Person:Engele Kolckman (1) born before parents' marriage
Person:Maria Speksgoor (1) born before parents' marriage
Person:Rein Miedema (4) born more than 1 year after father died
Person:Berend Sprenkelder (2) born after mother was 51
Person:Albert Krijgers (1) born before father was 13
Person:Trijntjen Rouwhorst (1) born after mother was 51
Person:Antonia Donderwinkel (5) born before parents' marriage
Person:Wilmken te Moller (1) born after mother was 51
Person:Jan Hulshof (12) born before parents' marriage
Person:Lijsebeth Heerdink (1) born after mother was 51
Person:Enneken Kolkman (1) born before parents' marriage
Person:Willem Spekschoor (1) born before mother was 13; born before father was 13
Person:Teunis Penterman (1) younger than 12 at marriage
Person:Janna Hulshof (4) born before parents' marriage
Person:Harmen Reinders (6) older than 90 at marriage
Person:Maria Stegers (3) older than 90 at marriage
Person:Jannis Eeckeler (1) born after mother was 51
Person:Jenneken Winterink (1) born before mother was 13
Person:Maria Sweerincks (1) born before parents' marriage
Person:Tonnis Hummelink (1) born before parents' marriage
Person:Geertjen te Moller (1) younger than 12 at marriage
Person:Aaltjen Kolkman (3) born before mother was 13
Person:Coene Kolkman (1) born before parents' marriage
Person:Jenneken ten Tuinte (1) born before parents' marriage; born before mother was 13; born before father was 13
Person:Jenneken Wopereis (5) born after mother was 51
Person:Berentjen te Dorsthorst (1) born before parents' marriage
Person:Berentjen Donderwinkel (1) born before mother was 13
Person:Aleida Hoenderboom (2) born before parents' marriage
Person:Geurt Rietberg (1) born before parents' marriage
Person:Jan Kolkman (22) born before mother was 13; born before father was 13
Person:Geertjen Kolkman (1) born before mother was 13; born before father was 13
Person:Reinder Kolkman (2) born before mother was 13; born before father was 13
Person:Antonia ten Ekeler (1) born before parents' marriage
Person:Jenneke Teppers (1) born before parents' marriage
Person:Harmen te Wopereis (1) born before father was 13
Person:Hendrik Boemers (1) born before mother was 13; born before father was 13
Person:Hendrik Wopereis (10) born before father was 13
Person:Beerentjen Wopereis (1) born before father was 13
Person:Gertruud te Wopereis (1) born before father was 13
Person:Anna Unknown (1726) born before parents' marriage
Person:Jenniken ten Aelinckhave (1) born before parents' marriage
Person:Tonnis Olinckhave (1) born before parents' marriage
Person:Otto II van Zutphen (1) born after mother died

Thank you Janet. woepwoep 08:10, 15 February 2022 (UTC)

Hi. I changed the checking for the age of the father from 75 to 80 and removed one item from the list above accordingly.--DataAnalyst 12:48, 19 February 2022 (UTC)

Please refresh from a fresh list :-)

Example record Jan Smit was repaired 3 days ago and still on the list.

Thx Ron woepwoep 14:41, 19 February 2022 (UTC)

Yes, because the list was last refreshed on 14 Feb, before you changed his record. I didn't refresh earlier today, just removed one record. But I have refreshed the list now. Sorry for the confusion.--DataAnalyst 15:40, 19 February 2022 (UTC)

On it ! thx Ron woepwoep 12:36, 20 February 2022 (UTC)

ok i think i am done with every person born after 1811 (when Napoleon introduced Dutch civil) so please update the list because the rest is about church records and much more difficult to find out about. thx Ron woepwoep 18:47, 21 February 2022 (UTC)

Will do tomorrow when the reporting file is updated.--DataAnalyst 18:59, 21 February 2022 (UTC)

Refreshed - see above--DataAnalyst 14:24, 22 February 2022 (UTC)

Excellent teamwork ! Thank you Janet. Warmest regards, Ron woepwoep 15:49, 22 February 2022 (UTC)

Born after mother died [25 March 2022]

Hi

You created a new person page yesterday for someone born after his mother died. Note that his mother's surname in the cited source doesn't match the page name in WeRelate. Not sure if this indicates a second wife or there is a different issue.

Person:Antonij Ebberink (1)

--DataAnalyst 14:31, 7 March 2022 (UTC)

Never mind. I looked again and realized it was his father's second wife, and changed Antonij's parents.--DataAnalyst 14:33, 7 March 2022 (UTC)

I asked the source - https://www.geldersarchief.nl - what miracle has happened in between the birth of a child and a change of mothers when he died. woepwoep 04:13, 25 March 2022 (UTC)

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New anomalies / errors [20 mei 2022]

Hi. I noticed several new issues this week from pages you contributed. I only checked out the first one, but I'm guessing the Johanna Buirseweide who married Gerhardus Stikken is not the same one who marred Berend Huiskes a generation earlier.

Person:Bernardina_Stikken_(1)
Person:Johanna_Stikken_(4)
Person:Maria_van_der_Voort_(3)
Person:Maria_van_der_Voort_(3)
Person:Reinder_Kolkman_(2)
Person:Geertjen_Kolkman_(1)
Person:Jan_Kolkman_(22)

I hope you find the new Data Quality Issues page useful now that I fixed the performance problem and you can select based on your watchlist. :) --DataAnalyst 15:25, 20 May 2022 (UTC)

Joannes Henricus Ketterink [12 June 2022]

Ron, dit zijn de zelfde echtparen. Kan jij ze samenvoegen?

• https://www.werelate.org/wiki/Family:Hendrikus_Ketterink_and_Janna_Nijkamp_%281%29
• https://www.werelate.org/wiki/Family:Jan_Ketterink_and_Johanna_Bekkeman_%281%29

• Johanna is, zoals ik het gevonden heeft, is geboren als Bekkeman en ze zijn later op de boerderij in/op Nijkamp gaan wonen.
• https://www.wiewaswie.nl/nl/detail/18210326
• Vader bruid:Joannes Henricus Ketterink

Moeder bruid:Joanna Beckeman

Opmerking: bruidegom en vader van de bruidegom ook Gaardenkamp
moeder van de bruid ook Nijkamp
weduwe van Henricus Geverink

groet, Lidewij 21:52, 20 May 2022 (UTC)

ok done !

dank je Lidewij

woepwoep 06:45, 12 June 2022 (UTC)

BirthBeforeParentsMarriage template [11 June 2022]

Hi

I wanted to let you know that you can move the BirthBeforeParentsMarriage template to the Person Talk page if you prefer. The long-term solution I developed will find it whether it is on the Person page or the Person Talk page. When you select the "Verified by me" button on the new list, it will place the template on the Talk page, so that is effectively the new standard.

But if you prefer it on the Person page, or you don't really care, you can leave the existing templates.--DataAnalyst 23:40, 11 June 2022 (UTC)

GEDCOM Export Ready [10 December 2022]

The GEDCOM for tree default is ready to download. Click here.

fixing invalid dates [7 January 2023]

Hi, Ron

A couple of things about fixing invalid dates: The standard for children who died young or in infancy is to put one of these phrases in their death date field:

(in infancy)

(young)

Simply moving a WFT EST date range to the desc field is pretty useless. Those are automatically generated estimates and we can do that ourselves. You can either remove the date entirely, or do some research to find an approx. birth year. Leaving the bad dates in place at least prompts me to do some research when I get around to it. WFT EST dates in a death date field are completely useless and should be just wiped out. Similarly for marriage dates. Only estimated birth dates are useful, for making sure that people are connected in the right generation.--DataAnalyst 23:45, 6 January 2023 (UTC)

"Thanks Janet. woepwoep 07:47, 7 January 2023 (UTC)

GEDCOM Export Ready [21 January 2024]

The GEDCOM for tree default is ready to download. Click here.

Vraag over Hendrika Kertsch [16 September 2024]

Dag Woepwoep,

Ik ben bezig met stamboomonderzoek en heb een vraag daarover aan jou.

Ik zag dat jij een "watcher" bent van de pagina over Hendrika Kertsch.

Betekent dat dat jij de data over Hendrika hebt ingevoerd?

Zo ja, zou je mij meer kunnen vertellen over waar je hebt gevonden dat Hendrika uit 1786 komt?

Ik hoor het heel graag!

Groeten, Julia--Juliahulshof 09:58, 16 September 2024 (UTC)

samenvoegen [29 sep 2024]

Dag Ronald, zou je Berendjen Hol (1) van het gezin Family:Hendrik Niessink and Berendjen Hol (1) kunnen samenvoegen met Person:Berendjen Mol (1) . Groetjes, Lidewij 10:10, 26 September 2024 (UTC)

volgens mij is het gelukt. wil je svp nakijken? thx R woepwoep 07:55, 29 September 2024 (UTC)

Het samenvoegen is me, zoals het hier gaat, niet geheel duidelijk. Dus ik kijk naar het resultaat. Het was een huwelijk die jij invoerde. Ik zie boven het echtpaar nog steeds Family:Hendrik Niessink and Berendjen Hol (1)

• https://www.werelate.org/wiki/Family:Hendrik_Niessink_and_Berendjen_Hol_%281%29

Dit moet volgens mij nog worden herbenoemd. Verder ziet het er volgens mij goed uit. Groetjes, Lidewij 09:37, 29 September 2024 (UTC)

Je hebt gelijk. Ik heb het aangepast.

Dank. Lidewij 11:37, 29 September 2024 (UTC)

recent merge [23 October 2024]

Hi, Ron

I reversed a merge you did and will fix it up later. I think just the wife needed to be fixed (2 people on one page). I have somewhere to go now but I will look at this in a few hours.--DataAnalyst 15:31, 22 October 2024 (UTC)

There was more to change than I thought. Two different husbands with the same name but different parents and birth years, with two different wives (who were sisters). I've sorted out all the children based on their sources. You are not yet watching the new pages I created: Person:Antonij Groot Severt (1), Person:Janna Hennekes (1), Family:Antonij Groot Severt and Janna Hennekes (1), and Family:Henricus Severt op Mentinck and Anna Mentinck (1).--DataAnalyst 22:39, 22 October 2024 (UTC)

Thanks Janet i am watching them now. woepwoep 07:07, 23 October 2024 (UTC)