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Person/Family page titles [13 September 2011]
Hello, I am a volunteer admin here at WeRelate. I noticed that you have titled a few pages to include different name variations - like Person:Elizabeth/Elise Weil (1). Pages on WeRelate should be titled Firstname LastName only (using the preferred name spelling). Any alternate spellings can be placed in the name fields from within the edit screen. Please rename the Person and Family pages by clicking on Rename from the menu at the left. Our naming conventions can be found here. Let me know if you have any questions, thank you, --Jennifer (JBS66) 13:42, 13 September 2011 (EDT)
Person:Robert De Holand (3) child of Thurston? [29 September 2011]
Curious why you included Robert De Holand as child of Thurston and Margaret? Lundy suggests instead Robert and Margaret on the basis of, admittedly, weak sources. Still, I would expect to see an argument about why we should believe something else. --jrm03063 15:33, 26 September 2011 (EDT)
I plan to go add sources later. Here is one: British History online http://www.british-history.ac.uk/report.aspx?compid=41385 --Tammyhensel 16:13, 26 September 2011 (EDT)
I added some more sources to Robert de Holland. I was really surprised that he had not been connected to Thurstan before because every source I've read has him listed in the genealogy of the Upholland family. But I don't have access to the one you mentioned. I'm quite new to WeRelate and still figuring out how to do things. So welcome any help. Thank you.--Tammyhensel 17:22, 26 September 2011 (EDT)
I'm thrilled to see others out there - really - thanks for jumping in! The present content of WeRelate in the "medieval spaces" originated from a lot of random GEDCOMs being dumped in, then de-duplicated and made more sane by liberal use of Wikipedia and "The Peerage" (Darryl Lundy's site). We also try to use Cawley (Medieval Lands) when it has appropriate content. While all that has seriously cleaned up a data base with dubious origins, it's ultimately no substitute for specialist researchers active in the area (which I most definitely am not!). My goal has been to get the space to the point where it isn't a waste of time for someone with specialist knowledge to begin contributing. I sincerely hope this is where you come in! I took the liberty of massaging your first source into something like what community standards suggest (at least as far as I understand them). British History on-line hosts a lot of transcriptions, so here at WeRelate we consider it to be a repository. The specific item transcribed and used is the source - and I took a stab at creating that page as well. I also like to add the relevant quotation so people can better see what is specifically being drawn upon. Finally, I liberally annotated the quotation to help make things a bit more persuasive. I also added a note to the Lundy source, indicating that in this case we discount it (I'm a bit of a zealot about recognizing incorrect sources as a way to try to avoid letting bad content creep back in once it's finally been recognized as incorrect). Welcome aboard! I hope you'll have fun! --jrm03063 12:10, 27 September 2011 (EDT)
I am by no means a specialist, but was a history and journalism major in college. I adore research! Genealogy is definitely a hobby and I don't have as much time for genealogy as I'd like. I'm a freelance writer and editor (www.DedicatedPublicationServices.com). I'm afraid I've been somewhat sloppy in citing sources on WeRelate because I became anxious to put up my trees and see if they connected to pages already there. I plan to go back in fill in more sources as I have time.--Tammyhensel 12:20, 27 September 2011 (EDT)
What is the url for Lundy's site? I'm interested to see if he has anything about Thomas Holland (b. 1456), son of Henry Holland, 3rd Duke of Exeter (1430-1475). Except for Wikipedia, I can't find one historical reference that lists Thomas as a legitimate son. If they list him at all, they say he was illegitimate, mother unknown. It may just be that they are going by the fact that the inheritance went to his daughter Anne. But there are many reasons why a legitimate son may have been disinherited. And apparently Duke Henry did have several mistresses. Every genealogy that lists Thomas as a son has him as illegitimate. One genealogist said the only reason she was listing him was because he was the progenitor of the prominent Holland family in America.--Tammyhensel 13:30, 27 September 2011 (EDT)
Thank you. :)--Tammyhensel 14:06, 27 September 2011 (EDT)
I found a listing on Family Search for Thomas Holland as the son of Duke Henry Holland and Lady Anne Plantagenet. So far it's the only resource besides Wikipedia to list him as a legitimate son. Don't know if I'll ever discover the truth of his parentage.--Tammyhensel 23:08, 27 September 2011 (EDT)
I'm still new to WeRelate and can't figure out how to initiate a new thread, so just adding to this one to communicate. I have discovered some errors in my Holland family line. It seems that some of the info I got on FamilySearch was wrong. It looks like my line does not go through Gabriel Holland and thus to the Upholland family. I may need help fixing my tree. How do I message you?--Tammyhensel 19:30, 28 September 2011 (EDT)
How do I delete pages?--Tammyhensel 22:17, 28 September 2011 (EDT)
I discovered that I was barking up the wrong family tree, so to speak. I took a wrong turn because of same names with a father and son duo in my Holland line that had the same first names as same generations in another line. So I'm trying to correct that info. There were a couple of pages that I put up Anthony Holland and Isabella Parsons that I discovered upon further research are not in my family and are not in the Gabriel Holland family, to which I had attached them. The only source I have for their information is FamilySearch. So I'm not totally sure what I put on their pages is accurate. Decided the best thing was to delete their pages, but can't figure out how.--Tammyhensel 10:31, 29 September 2011 (EDT)
Info you added to Person:Benjamin Waite (12) [12 September 2013]
..has more to do with the Graves family than Benjamin Waite himself. I would advise against added large amount of text only teniously related to the person (in theory, I could add the same thing for several of his other grandchildren).--Daniel Maxwell 23:50, 11 September 2013 (EDT)
My thinking was to put all references to him to show his connection. The first passage had to do with land he owned, so showed his residence in the area as a neighbor of a Graves family member. I don't know if any other sources. The others showed connections between the two families, evidence for children and grandchildren that I'm in the process of adding. I guess I can just put that part on the pages for each of the children and grandchildren, but wanted to show that the families are connected.--Tammyhensel 00:02, 12 September 2013 (EDT)
One of the paragraphs was more about the Waite families than the Graves.It refers to Benjamin Waite saving his daughter and other Waite and Graves family members from Indians. It also repeats the info about him being a neighbor of the Graves, which I didn't realize. So I kept that paragraph on there and deleted the rest.--Tammyhensel 00:20, 12 September 2013 (EDT)
Entering names when adding new pages [18 September 2013]
When you Add a new Person or Family page, please enter only the surname in the surname field. Jr., Sr., III, etc should be added after the pages are created by clicking on Edit and entering that data in the Name Suffix field. I've renamed a few of your pages to remove the suffixes, so I thought I would send you a note to explain. Thanks, --Jennifer (JBS66) 17:17, 18 September 2013 (EDT)
Luderus Family [5 October 2013]
I am not conviced that the line of Luderus is proved. The source you are using seems to be very poor. Please do add data about this family with original sources.--Klaas 22:03, 26 September 2013 (UTC)
I wrote an email to the researcher, Tim Harrington, who provided me with the information to ask more about his sources. I do know that he has done extensive research and I consider him very reliable. I think he was just too busy at the time to send me a more complete listing of his sources.--Tammyhensel 22:20, 26 September 2013 (UTC)
Tim said the family line was a topic in a pre-WWII genealogy newsletter. He sent me a pdf with an excerpt, but it is in either Dutch or German, so I'll have to see if I can translate it through a document translation program. The title of the publication is MAANDBLAD, it's dated Feb. 1927. He also sent me a Census Record, and death certificate for Dina Kuijpers Luderus. He will send me more records later. I'll post as I get them.--Tammyhensel 23:27, 26 September 2013 (UTC)
Thank you.--Tammyhensel 14:04, 27 September 2013 (UTC)
I'm having some trouble finding a good translation program for this document, so I'm not sure which people are covered. Tim sent me a more complete flow chart than the previous one with more people on it. Do you want me to add them, or not? I think this article is his primary source, but since I can't read it, I can't confirm that.--Tammyhensel 15:13, 27 September 2013 (UTC)
Okay, it fine if you want to replace my source reference with something else. The first chart Tim sent me just gave the lineage from father to son and left out most spouses and daughters. It was also just my Luderus ancestor's line. The chart he just sent me has women and extended family on it, but is not complete with dates for everyone. I asked Tim if he had a report with sources he could send me. He said no and asked me if I wanted to collaborate to write one. So I'm attempting to do that using my Family Treemaker program and incorporating information from Tim, WeRelate, and other sources. If the project works out, we may publish it, so I appreciate any help you can give in sourcing my material.--Tammyhensel 16:52, 27 September 2013 (UTC)
I just remembered that I have a friend living in Netherlands who is fluent in Dutch. I've written her to see if she has time to translate this for me. I do want a good translation.--Tammyhensel 17:21, 27 September 2013 (UTC)
Is Family Search considered a reliable source I can reference? I'm finding some info there for this family.--Tammyhensel 18:26, 27 September 2013 (UTC)
What I found so far are christening records that reference "Netherlands, Births and Baptisms, 1564-1910,"--Tammyhensel 19:17, 27 September 2013 (UTC)
I followed the link you posted and registered on the site, then tried to look up records. But it appears that in order to see the records I have to order a scan. Is that right? Is there a way to see the records for free? I have my computer set to translate automatically to English, but some things aren't translating, so maybe I'm missing something. I've found several new people, spouses and children for this family listed on Family Search, all referenced. I'd like to add them, but want to be correct in sourcing.--Tammyhensel 16:15, 29 September 2013 (UTC)
That sounds great. I can go ahead and list the family search link in case you want to refer to it, but you can delete that if you find a more substantial source.--Tammyhensel 13:52, 30 September 2013 (UTC)
Jennifer, I don't know how to attach the source to the event. I'm sorry you're having to do that for all my pages. How do I do it?--Tammyhensel 14:48, 4 October 2013 (UTC)
Thanks again. I only have an excerpt of the article and I don't think it includes page numbers. If it does, my friend who is translating it for me is not including page numbers with the translation. I guess I need to ask her to do that. She is sending me sections at a time as she has a moment to work on it. I still don't have the first article in the series, which I really want. How do I get a copy of it?--Tammyhensel 15:14, 4 October 2013 (UTC)
I'm finding several travel records on Ancestry.com for Luderus family members with the Dutch East India Company to Batavia, the old name for Jakarta, Indonesia. For some reason google isn't translating the website for me. Since I can't read the details I can't be sure they refer to this Luderus family. I find it interesting that they would be associated with the Dutch East India Company. If you have time will you look at the links and see if you think they refer to this Luderus family and if so if there is any signficant info to add to their pages?
--Tammyhensel 15:49, 4 October 2013 (UTC)
France ... Person:Rene Bouchierre (1) [13 May 2014]
Hello ! Excuse my very bad english ! We have problems with this family. 1) I have not found the birth in Clermont (May 1595). 2) A marriage appears on this date (20 Jun 1615) in Domagné. But I read "Jhan Bouchez" for the husband and "Janne Lemestre" for the wife ! http://archives-en-ligne.ille-et-vilaine.fr/thot_internet/FrmSommaireFrame.asp --> vue n° 32. Amicalement - Marc ROUSSEL - --Markus3 08:27, 13 May 2014 (UTC)
That's fine. My only source for this person was ancestry.com, which can be unreliable at times. So I appreciate any changes from more reliable sources. Thank you.--Tammyhensel 13:37, 13 May 2014 (UTC)
John Peach (again) [2 July 2014]
You keep posting all sorts of unsourced data that appears to be wrong, as if you are grasping at names with no idea if it is valid or not.
Why do you think John Peach is the son of Thomas Peach and Mary Coaze? You put no source. Presumably you must make his birth 1731 because the father died age 50 in 1731, but Marblehead records show no birth of John in 1731. Instead they show the birth of a John in 1736 to William and Amy (see here) as the only likely John to have married in 1761 and started having children.
I can't see the book, but a book called The Peach/Peachey Migrations shows this John Peach marrying Elizabeth Conant, b. 1736, and died in 1792, not 1803 (see here). I don't know its sources but at least I can verify that a John Peach was actually born on that day as already shown. Likewise a John Peach who had a wife named Elizabeth actually died on that day (see here). Where is your data coming from?
By posting you are implying you actually know something, and to avoid making people beg you for your sources, it would be considerate to identify them when you post the data. --Jrich 18:42, 2 July 2014 (UTC)
Sorry. I looked at the wrong John Peach on the chart my relative sent me. I guess I need to quit working on this family now and resume it when I can give it more attention. I've been working on it to keep myself occupied while at the hospital with my mother, but since I'm obviously too distraught to focus on it will give it up for now. You can delete the pages I made for this family if you want. I can always redo them later when I get in better researched. I mostlay added them to see if there was any info about them already on the site or if I could connect with some else who had access to Nova Scotia records.--Tammyhensel 21:59, 2 July 2014 (UTC)
Henry Martin [2 November 2014]
Hello, my name is H Martin. I was born in Wilkes Co. North Carolina. I’m in the U.S. Army Reserve and about a year ago I came off an active duty tour. I began researching my ancestry and enjoyed learning a great deal about my family history. I joined Family Tree DNA, purchased their Y-DNA 67 test, and joined their Martin surname project.
I have traced my ancestry back to Benjamin Martin, b. 08 Apr 1746. From that point, I began seeing conflicting information re: who Benjamin’s father was, although most often it was listed as Henry Martin. Then I came across your note on the WeRelate website re: Henry Martin, and how the records of 2 Henry Martins had become confused. I was thrilled to find the information you had posted, and most encouraged by your words “I’m listing all the websites….and continuing to research”.
The WeRelate webpage was last modified in 2011, so I’m not sure how long ago you made your post. I am hoping that you may have learned which Henry Martin was Benjamin’s father. I am most eager to learn who Benjamin’s father was, so that I might one day discover my “immigrant Martin”.
Would you be kind enough to share with me whether you have been able to conduct any further research on Henry Martin? I would be grateful for any information, and/or insight you would be willing to share. Thank you.
p.s. I will send this to your email address at your website DedicatedPublicationServices.com also. Thanks again.--HMARTIN 22:27, 1 November 2014 (UTC)
Hi H Martin, I am very much interested in connecting with you. I have had some problems with my website email, if you don't get a reply from me message me here again. I also think there is a way to send me a private email here on WeRelate, but I'm not sure. I'm also on ancestry.com, user name same as here tammyhensel, so if you're on that site you can message me there.
I have not worked on researching Henry Martin for some time, so I don't have any new developments. It's very confusing because everyone wants to link the family to Peter Martin and Mary Ann Rapine, but a son Henry is not mentioned in Peter Martin's will. When people trying to force that connection it muddies the water for finding out the truth. I have the same problem with one of my other ancestors who keep getting linked to the wrong parents. I wonder if you can find out through the DNA project if there is really any link between our family and that of Peter Martin?
Currently, I'm researching the ancestors of Elvira Bryan, wife of Col. James Martin whose mother's line goes up into European nobility. How do you descend from Benjamin Martin? My great-grandfather Judge Phlete A. Martin was born in Wilkes County, N.C., but left to come to Texas as a young man because he accidentally killed his best friend. It is an interesting, but sad story. I'd love to connect with descendants of his family there.--Tammyhensel 03:27, 2 November 2014 (UTC)
Lewis Couch & Isott Maine [22 February 2016]
Hello, I am looking for sources to verify all the trees and websites that site this couple as parents of Simon, Samuel and Thomas Couch of Connecticut. I find it interesting that the names of the parents are not repeated anywhere in the descendants. Can you please share your sources? Thanks! Christine--Clarkmessina 03:40, 16 February 2016 (UTC)
I'm not sure if it was ancestry.com, familysearch, or another online genealogy. It may have been the Finch genealogy (Finchroots.com), as I got a lot of info from that cite. I'm descended from Martha Couch (Simon's daughter) and Abraham Finch. It has been several years since I added this and at the time I was fairly new at Online genealogy research and not as aware of how unreliable sources can be. I also didn't understand how to cite resources on WeRelate. This cite has quite a learning curve.
I just did a quick perusal on ancestry.com (I know, not that reliable, but it can give some hints to follow). Ancestry public trees cite UK, Probate records, and England Marriage and birth records. I am at the lowest paid membership level on ancestry, so can't access the Probate records to see if it lists children. Marriage record says 16 July 1610 in Hartland, Devon, England. I don't think these records were available on ancestry when I was researching this family before. Other information on ancestry public trees for Lewis Couch are: b 20 Sept. 1583 at Hartland, Devon, England; d. about 1600-1603 in Norwalk, Fairfield, Connecticut, America. Parents are different than what I found before. They are: Luke Couch (b.1548; d.1600 both in Endellion, Cornwall) and Ann Pynchon (b. 1550, Hartland, England; d. 1585). Again Probate and England birth/marriage records cited.
Isot Maine b. 1590 in England; d. 1675 in Connecticut, America. Parents: James Maine and Cathrene Powle. Devon church records cited.
Feel free to delete these person pages if you feel the information unreliable or let me know and I will delete them. Or if you think it worthwhile, I can update them with the info it now appears is available on ancestry, citing that as my source and making note of the records others say support it, but that I can't access. Do you have an ancestry membership? Will trust your judgement here. I am limited in what is available to me, but now when I add someone I do try to cite something, even if it is just ancestry or familysearch trees.--Tammyhensel 16:05, 18 February 2016 (UTC)
I have found some information on Family Search and Ancestry.
Ancestry has an indexed Marriage Record for a Lewes Cowch and Isot Maine in 16 Jul 1610, in Hartland, Devon, England.
Name: Isot Maine Gender: Female Marriage Date: 16 Jul 1610 Marriage Place: Hartland,Devon,England Spouse: Lewes Cowch FHL Film Number: 0874366 IT 1
FS has a birth record for a Luke Couch who had a son, Lewis Couch in 1583
Citing this Record: "England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975," database, FamilySearch, accessed 20 February 2016), Lewis Couch, 20 Sep 1583; citing HARTLAND,DEVON,ENGLAND, reference ; FHL microfilm 0874366 IT 1.
FS has a baptism record for a Simon Couch born 1615 to a Lewis Couch.
Citing this Record: "England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975," database, FamilySearch : accessed 20 February 2016), Simon Cowch, 02 Jul 1615; citing HARTLAND,DEVON,ENGLAND, reference ; FHL microfilm 0874366 IT 1.
FS has a baptism record for a Lewes Couch, son of Symon Couch and Bridget, from 2 Apr 1639 in Braunton, Devon, England.
Citing this Record: "England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975," database, FamilySearch : accessed 20 February 2016), Lewes Couch, 01 Apr 1639; citing BRAUNTON,DEVON,ENGLAND, reference ; FHL microfilm 916,821.
A search on FS shows the Maine last name is found numerous times in Braunton, Devon, Engand. No Isett or Isott found except in user uploaded trees, and in those, the dates of birth do not match the records of being a mother to a Simon or Samuel Couch/Cowch born in the 1630's.
I am doubtful that Thomas Couch of Wethersfield born about 1640-43 was a brother of Simon Couch of Fairfield. In Simon's 1687 will, he calls Susannah Couch a cousin, of Milford. Susannah is the eldest child of Thomas Couch, age 20. He also mentions his brother's son Thomas, who according to Thomas's will is only 12 in 1687. Is he talking about his brother Samuel's son Thomas?--Clarkmessina 17:21, 20 February 2016 (UTC)
So Lewis and Isott are not the parents of Simon Couch, born in 1633 in Fairfield, since their Simon was born in 1615 in England. They could be grandparents, but we would have to find more records on their Simon to prove it. I am going to remove them as parents of this Simon and add a page for Simon, born 1615 in England. Hopefully that will keep them from being reconnected to Simon of Fairfield as parents. Thank you for catching this.
As to the question on the Thomas Couch, I don't know. I haven't researched extended family for Simon Couch as of yet. I wasn't the one to put up his person page here. I have come across several instances when records for cousins or even non-related people with the same name get confused. So you are probably right. Check with some of the other people watching his page.--Tammyhensel 15:10, 22 February 2016 (UTC)
Find a grave http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GRid=90918288&ref=acom for Simon Couch says he was born in Hartland, Devon, England, date unknown. This is definitely the memorial for Simon of Fairfield as it mentions his marriage to Mary Andrews. Here is short bio on the site. "Simon Couch was one of 3 brothers who did not want to go to London for their education and instead, stowed away on a ship in Plymouth, England, indenturing themselves to families coming to settle in CT in 1620's. The brothers were Samuel, Simon and Thomas. Simon was indentured with Andrews family and became a free man in 1665. He married Mary Andrews, worked as a taylor, ran a horse saloon and ultimately bought the Andrews' widow's farm. He continued to add acreage to the farm, buying the adjacent Green Farm. Upon his death in 1688, he was a wealthy landowner in Fairfield, CT." The person who put up the memorial doesn't give any references as to where this story came from. Since it mentions Simon coming in the 1620s, then the birth date of 1633 in Connecticut is wrong and he could be the son of Lewis and Isott, but still need more proof. The source for the 1633 in Connecticut birth date is cited as Donald Lines Jacobus, M.A. History and Genealogy of the Families of Old Fairfield, Connecticut. (1930, Fairfield, Connecticut), page 160.--Tammyhensel 15:41, 22 February 2016 (UTC)
Thank you. Then definitely not the Simon born in 1615 in Hartland, Devon, England to Lewis Couch and Isott Maine. I removed the connection.--Tammyhensel 20:32, 22 February 2016 (UTC)