User talk:Markus3


GEDCOM Export Ready [10 avril 2013]

The GEDCOM for tree Default is ready to download. Click here.

Ce n'était qu'un test pour tenter de comprendre le fonctionnement de ce module.--Markus3 09:31, 10 April 2013 (EDT)

Bienvenue [10 April 2013]

Boujour Markus. Bienvenue a WeRelate! Je répondrai a votre question a ce page ici. AndrewRT 17:54, 10 April 2013 (EDT)

Petite bibliothèque généalogique [13 April 2013]

Bonjour Marc, I moved your Utilisateur:Markus3/Petite bibliothèque généalogique to User:Markus3/Petite bibliothèque généalogique because namespace titles are in English. I cannot redirect the old page for you so, could you please do the following:

  1. "Watch" User:Markus3/Petite bibliothèque généalogique
  2. "Delete" Utilisateur:Markus3/Petite bibliothèque généalogique (go to More>Delete)

Merci! --Jennifer (JBS66) 07:49, 13 April 2013 (EDT)

Échanges récents sur la WP francophone ? [1 May 2013]

Bonjour ! Serais-tu peut-être le contributeur avec lequel j'ai eu cette discussion ? Amicalement - Marc ROUSSEL - --Markus3 07:18, 1 May 2013 (EDT)

Oui c'est bien moi ! Je suis en train de placer mon arbre généalogique, mais comme tu m'as dis, les personnes vivantes ne sont pas acceptées ? Amicalement --LouisRoussel 07:33, 1 May 2013 (EDT)

[2 mai 2013]

Merci Monsieur.--MarcelVallet 05:38, 2 May 2013 (EDT)

Hello [2 May 2013]

Hello Markus, Its nice to see a cousin and I am very glad to see that this site has gone international. I have "met" several other French cousins. Sheri--Sheri 12:33, 2 May 2013 (EDT)

Merci beaucoup pour votre response. Ma francais est tres pauvre. Votre anglaise est en fait tres bien. J'ai un cousin eloigne a Paris. Les deux des nous avais anctres a Gambsheim. (Mon clavier NE MONTRE des accents)--Sheri 13:24, 2 May 2013 (EDT)

Correction de fiche [3 mai 2013]

Monsieur, merci pour l'aide. Je teste les différents produits présents sur le web avant de me lancer et ne suis pas convaincu par celui-ci. --MarcelVallet 03:57, 3 May 2013 (EDT)

watchlist [3 mei 2013]

Marcus, merci de nous aider avec les catégories.
Are you sure want? Have the categories that you made on your watchlist.
Sont que vous voulez-vous? Avoir les catégories que vous avez fait sur ​​votre liste--Lidewij 11:50, 3 May 2013 (EDT)

Right now, for new pages you are creating, like the categories, you are watching each of those pages. If you do not want to be watching those pages.
Settings/Preferences. Edit. Pages that I create automatic tracking. ? --Lidewij 12:18, 3 May 2013 (EDT)

Translations [5 May 2013]

Bonjour Marc,

I met with Dallan today. It is possible to translate most of WeRelate's text! The first step is this: WeRelate:Label translations project. We need to list all of the WR text that should be translated along with their tranlations.

  • What can be translated:
    • All Page labels such as Birth, Burial, Home, Search, List, Add, MyRelate, Volunteer, Help, Settings, Watch, History, etc...
    • Drop-down box labels such as Alt Birth, Cremation, Degree. Note: These are a 'special situation' and should be listed separately.
    • Page headings in Orange such as Images, Notes, Personal History
  • What cannot be translated: The titles of Namespaces (Person, Family, User, MySource, Transcript, etc)

Please tell me your thoughts and if you are interested in helping! --Jennifer (JBS66) 14:47, 5 May 2013 (EDT)

Merci francophone [9 May 2013]

Merci Marc,

For fixing my translations.

In english the month always starts with a capital letter. Today I have learnt that it is not in french.--JeffreyRLehrer 06:23, 9 May 2013 (EDT)

partie francophone [22 août 2013]

Bonjour, Monsieur Markus. Je suis, depuis l'origine vos efforts pour développer la partie francophone de ce site et il semble bien que le décolage soit difficile. Cette notion d'arbre universel n'a pas la cote chez nos compatriotes. Encore bravo pour vos essais.--MarcelVallet 08:11, 22 August 2013 (EDT)

Upper or Lower case [19 September 2013]

It may be true that werelate prefers lower case, however it doesn't really matter. When I originally uploaded my gedcom's they were in upper case so all of this family is in upper case and I would prefer to keep each family intact in that format. If you add ancestors or descendants in lower case, I have no problem with that and I'll try not to change those. Sue--Suepcard 13:17, 19 September 2013 (EDT)

Radegonde Lambert [26 September 2013]

Bonjour Marc! The link that you added to Person:Radegonde Lambert (1) does not work. How can I see the Registres de Baptême de Martaizé? --Jennifer (JBS66) 12:27, 26 September 2013 (UTC)

Nettoyae des fiches [15 novembre 2013]


Je n'ai aucune objection quant à la suppression des informations codées. En ce qui concerne St Just, c'est St Just en Chevalet dans le département de la Loire--2m474 22:13, 15 November 2013 (UTC)

Renaming pages [18 November 2013]

Bonjour Marc! Merci for your work on WeRelate's French pages! When you see pages titled Person:Antoine Feuillon Or Filion (1) or Person:Augustin Roy Dit Lauzier (18) you can "Rename/Renommer" them. For example: this page the primary name is Filion, you can click Rename (on the left) and rename the page Antoine Filion. You would also need to Rename the Family page to Antoine Filion and Marie Latouche.

When you Rename a page, you will see a box that says "To new title:" do not include the words Person:/Family: or the (#) at the end. So, an example:

Adding identifying information to pages [2 December 2013]

Bonjour Marc,

It would be helpful if you could add some basic information to the Person pages you are creating (such as approximate birth year). Otherwise, these pages could be mistaken for living people. Merci! --Jennifer (JBS66) 10:22, 2 December 2013 (UTC)

Drost family in Dunkerque [26 December 2013]

Bonjour Marc! I wonder if you can help me. I have found a Dutch man who married in Nord, France and baptized a child there too. I am having difficulty translating the information.

Person talk:Jan Drost (5)

If possible, can you help me with the names, dates, places, and parents from these documents? Merci beaucoup!!--Jennifer (JBS66) 18:30, 26 December 2013 (UTC)

Removing Titles in Suffix Fields [6 January 2014]

Hello, I noticed that you removed the information that I put in the suffix field on James Henry of the Borden Tract, Augusta County, Virginia. This information is important to differentiate him from other James Henry's in the Augusta County area, which can be easily confused by other researchers. Please leave this information intact, so it is helpful to other researchers, and also to the researchers working on the Early Settlers of Augusta County Project, where there are in excess of 5,000 or so persons that are in the process of being documented.

Also, I noticed that you removed the "III" from the title suffix field of Joshua Cresson. Since his father and grandfather were also named Joshua Cresson, the "III" in the title suffix field is certainly appropriate, accurate and conforms to normal naming practices. Please do not remove similar information without consulting or advising the contributor.

Thanks for your cooperation and best regards,

Jim Volunteer Administrator, WeRelate--Delijim 00:03, 4 January 2014 (UTC)

Chastain Family [9 March 2014]

Hello Markus, sorry, I do not have any other information on the family of Pierre Chastain. The information I found on Familysearch. I added a photo of his gravestone, and a link to an Ancestry Member Tree with some additional information. According to this submission, he may have been married 2-3 times, but some of the dates look suspect. Hope that helps.

Best regards,

Jim:)--Delijim 15:59, 9 March 2014 (UTC)

Random Changes [12 April 2014]

Hi Markus,

I note you are just randomly changing pages that I contributed. Can you explain the initiative that is driving these random changes or are you imposing your standards across other contributors records?

This complete lack of control in WeRelate to who can alter an individuals contributions is appalling.

Andrew 09:35, 25 March 2014 (UTC)

Hello, Andrew ! I distroyed nothing. Which pages have now a problem ? I want just clean up some records that have repetitions or completely useless information. What do you mean exactly with "random changes" ? I really want to impose nothing and "my" standards. WeRelate is a wiki ! Everyone can contribute, complete and fix the records. For 3 weeks, I simply :
  • delete every line saying "record change" (with a date) --> completely useless --> 1) The date of the last modification appears at the bottom of each page. 2) Each page has a special page "History". --> These are the advantages and the typical comfort of a wiki site.
  • fix/modify line saying "killed in action" on a place field.
Please, can you better explain your "anger" or "disagreement" ! I have also to say that no "chief/administrator" had alerted me for these 3 weeks ! And you are the first contributor who ... "protests".
Excuse please my very bad english ! Thank you ! Amicalement - Marc ROUSSEL - --Markus3 10:26, 25 March 2014 (UTC)

Marc is not "randomly" changing pages. All pages contributed to WeRelate are open to any user making contributions to improve the pages. If you look closely, the pages that Marc edited looked something like this previously. They had red-linked text saying "killed in action". Red-linked places are errors, and in this case, killed in action is not a place and cannot be linked to one of WeRelate's place pages. This information belongs in the description field which is where Marc correctly moved the text to. --Jennifer (JBS66) 17:12, 25 March 2014 (UTC)

I am really impressed with Markus changes!!!! I learned a lot from your changing names from all upper case to lower case. GIve me a break. Are you related to any of these people???--Joana1493 14:15, 12 April 2014 (UTC)

Please do not rename 'livings' to 'unknowns' [14 April 2014]

Person:Unknown Robiè (2) should be investigated as to if the person is living. If no information can be found, then the person should be removed, not renamed, since it is still a de-facto living person page. The only exception is of course famous people. Any and all other livings must be either deleted or a death date added.--Daniel Maxwell 19:21, 7 April 2014 (UTC)

I note your comments regading the changes being made to my family tree on 'We Relate'. I find it high handed to make these changes without consultation, particularly as these go against what is regarded as normal presentation of family surnsmes. My family names have always, and will always be, presented with surnames in capitals,as a consequence of the unwanted actions of others in 'We Relate' I have today deleted my tree from your site and will cancel my membership forthwith. Further more I will advise all my fellow genealogists to avoid your site.--Whiskymac 10:14, 14 April 2014 (UTC)

Changes to Surnames [19 April 2014]

Markus, why have you changed the surnames on my family tree from Upper caes to Lower case? It is normal procedure to have family surnames in UPPER case to distinguish them from he other parts of the persons name, please change these back.--Whiskymac 19:11, 12 April 2014 (UTC)

The use of mixed case (not upper case) is discussed on WeRelate's help pages, including this one. Since this is a collaborative research environment, marking your own line with upper case is counter to this idea and against WeRelate conventions. --Jennifer (JBS66) 21:31, 12 April 2014 (UTC)

I note your comments regading the changes being made to my family tree on 'We Relate'. I find it high handed to make these changes without consultation, particularly as these go against what is regarded as normal presentation of family surnsmes. My family names have always, and will always be, presented with surnames in capitals,as a consequence of the unwanted actions of others in 'We Relate' I have today deleted my tree from your site and will cancel my membership forthwith. Further more I will advise all my fellow genealogists to avoid your site--Whiskymac 10:15, 14 April 2014 (UTC)

Whiskymac ! Please ... Do not misunderstand my edits ! 1) See for example what I wrote to Joana1493 here 2) I'll try to explain in a few hours that the site WeRelate remains perfectly understandable and makes no confusion between given names and surnames. Marc ROUSSEL - --Markus3 15:01, 15 April 2014 (UTC)

Ditto - I too have removed my tree due to the overhanded enforcing of standards by a few with absolutely no consultation. Genealogy / Family History is by nature a consultative study except here on WeRelate - Andrew 12:49, 14 April 2014 (UTC)

Markus3, please leave my names alone! Feel free to add people with your Mixedcase spelling, but don't presume to make wholesale changes on someone else's work. It is standard in French documents to use UPPER CASE for surnames, especially legal documents, and it is absolutely acceptable on WeRelate. If you want to be the CaseNazi, focus on your own work, not tirelessly correcting the case of other's work. If this continues, I will just remove the file, and post elsewhere.--Strebig 03:45, 17 April 2014 (UTC)

Strebig ! Please excuse my very bad english !
1) You wrote : "If you want to be the CaseNazi" --> I think, this is really exaggerated, discourteous and even aggressive.
2) I do not want to impose anything on anyone ! I just wanted to improve (and spending my time foolishly ?) pages by following the recommended rules Help:Person pages tutorial, as Jennifer (JBS66) wrote above.
3) I am a "WeRelate newbe" (April 2013). I never read on WeRelate that there was a potential duality/alternative in the spelling of surnames. I understand that if there are still surnames in capitals, it's just that contributors markers are too few. I volunteered to improve the oldest contributions especially after discovering for example these pages : WeRelate:Old GEDCOMs and [1]
4) I personally prefered also put surnames in capital (for better readability and immediate distinction between surname and first name), but ... I just want to put the WeRelate records/data in accordance with the current "rules" that I have not helped to define. I have ONE wish ! --> My goal is to make the records more consistent to motivate potential french speaking contributors ... when WeRelate will become multilingual (what I expect since May 2008 ... In 2008, I chose stupidly Rodovid who was probably better as WeRelate but does not progress in programmatic improvement, friendliness and courtesy.)
5) Before starting for several weeks my series of modifications (changes uppercase to mixed/lowercase) on pages/records posted by other contributors, I seriously checked if there was "debate" or "clear opposition "... since I had not found anything, I JUST ... tried to clean according to the rules. Do you have references or pages that I could not find ? Please, show me what links !...
6) I personally found only these discussions : November 2007, January 2008, June 2010 and March 2011
Marc ROUSSEL - --Markus3 09:03, 17 April 2014 (UTC)

Because you linked to your comment on another page, I think you might be interested in the note just above yours:

"We would appreciate it if you would not change names of persons already on WeRelate unless it is absolutely necessary and the records back up such a change.

Thanks and best regards,

Jim (Administrative Staff on WeRelate)--Delijim 12:47, 23 September 2011 (EDT)"--Strebig 08:33, 17 April 2014 (UTC)

But it is/was really an other problem --> notation I, II, III ---> problem that should be discussed more seriously ... Marc ROUSSEL --Markus3 09:11, 17 April 2014 (UTC)

Just as Markus has noted above, the "change" to names [referred to above] was an entirely different issue. Markus was simply changing the surname from UPPER CASE to Normal Case, which is the naming rule on WeRelate. Since we don't "own" a Person Page on WeRelate, and must work together and collaborate, we all need to follow the same general guidelines, and surnames in normal case is one of them.
If you think this site has too many rules, I'd invite you to try adding a page to Wikipedia, where within 15 minutes, 10-15 Administrators will summarily delete and dismiss your work. Every site has rules. This one doesn't have too many rules that are imposing upon most serious (and fair-minded) genealogical researchers and hobbyists. That's just the way it is, so it's much easier to accept the way it is and continue to contribute your information to WeRelate, or start your own website with your own rules. Delijim.

I apologize for suggesting you are a CaseNazi -- I'm much more vehement about ALL CAPS than you are about standardizing the Wiki's style. I read your links, and now appreciate your efforts to improve the wiki. My wish is that you will focus on some of the other areas they identified as needing work, perhaps those that lack sources, or fixing notes, changing "living" people into "[blank] Surname", or writing a bot program to remove un-needed data/notes/sources (_UID, etc). And your English is very good. I admire your work on French place names -- we need more people doing that, for many countries!--Strebig 16:22, 17 April 2014 (UTC)

Thanks ! But my english is so poor that I do not often understand all the nuances of a long argument. That is why I can not really and effectively participate to discussions in the Watercooler and somewhere else. And the tool "Google Translate" produces only gibberish and nonsense.
In your response "I'm much more vehement about ALL CAPS than you are about standardizing the Wiki's style.", I do not know if you agree that I continue to replace uppercase letters for surnames. I do not have any desire to continue irritate so many contributors. I can do anything in genealogy and especially in collaborative genealogy. And I have my "own" researches ...
I did not intend to limit my remarks/contributions on surnames. I also started to correct and improve well other things, removal of duplicates in notes, ... adding sources with direct links to records of France, etc.
I wanted to give and give again (if possible) priority to surnames, because that is what consulted first by "web visitors" and future contributors. At first, I asked myself why there were some surnames in uppercase and others in mixedcase ... I would like the potential French speaking contributors and others are not disturbed by this oddity. Clean detail a particular record was and is my second priority.
Systematically to capitalize surnames is interesting for aesthetic or graphic reasons. It is important and necessary when names of persons cited in the texts (way to avoid confusion) or official acts. With a software or a website specialized in genealogy (such as WeRelate) it is useless, because everything is built and displayed from a database. With a database (one person per page, no text, no sentences in the "header") it can never be any confusion between given name and surname ... for 2 reasons : 1) input fields are completely independent 2) the given name is always noted before the surname
Marc ROUSSEL ---Markus3 07:52, 18 April 2014 (UTC)

Marc, just an FYI - Dallan will be updating the gedcom importer within the next week or so to automatically convert ALL CAPS surnames to Normal case, so you (and other Admins) don't have to change them in the future (except those that are added manually). I hope also that he updates the gedcom upload advisory page to make the WeRelate Naming Convention a bit clearer to those submitters that would otherwise be "blindsided" by such changes....

Best regards and have a great weekend,

Jim:)--Delijim 19:03, 18 April 2014 (UTC)

Thank you, Jim ! Amicalement - Marc ROUSSEL - --Markus3 14:07, 19 April 2014 (UTC)