Welcome [23 November 2013]
Welcome to WeRelate, your virtual genealogical community. We're glad you have joined us. At WeRelate you can easily create ancestor web pages, connect with cousins and other genealogists, and find new information. To get started:
If you need any help, I will be glad to answer your questions. Just click on my signature link below and then click on the “Leave a message” link under my name in the upper left corner of my profile page. Thanks for participating and see you around!--Jstump 18:09, 9 February 2009 (EST)
Today I received emails that changes were made to people I had added: Barbara Lesena and John Adney. When I went to "view the changes" I did not notice anything different. Perhaps it was the addition of Barbara's parents, John Lezena and Elizabeth Dillbone? Since I am new to "werelate", can you write to me at firstname.lastname@example.org and let me know what changes were actually made?--Doreenmc 02:47, 23 November 2013 (UTC)
Thanks! [13 September 2011]
Thanks for featuring my ancestor Jean Adolphe Rodrigue's page. That is very cool! :)--Aberksan 19:24, 13 September 2011 (EDT)
Cunningham and 2nd Kerr's Creek changes [18 September 2011]
Thank you for the update to the Jonathan Cunningham/Kerr's Creek material--DVPowell 18:11, 18 September 2011 (EDT)
Person:Jacob Loesch (1) [23 September 2011]
Hi Jim, Love the poem and hope this brings a smile to your face.
I started out looking up a record for the Coker family in Surry County, North Carolina because of a post and my Coker DNA Site. Then I decided while I was browsing the images on Family Search I might as well see who connected with families on WeRelate. Most of them seem to be on pages that you entered.
Anyway once in a while you find a gold mine which is what I consider the information in the will of Jacob Lash. So much fun and glad you already had the info entered otherwise I probably would have ignored the info. So I have entered the links on Person:Jacob Loesch (1) plus some other relatives mentioned in the will. This will was recorded in Surry, North Carolina and the extraneous data recorded attests to his date of death, place of death and cause of death. There is probably a will recorded for him in Northampton, Pennsylvania but haven't checked. In his will he names his wife, 5 children, brother-in-law and 2 brothers. --Beth 22:52, 23 September 2011 (EDT)
Leonard Fite Featured Page [20 December 2011]
I want to thank you for the selection of Leonard Fite as a featured page Dec 9th. I'm sorry this is late. I've been sick and we just had a death in the family. I love working in WeRelate and intend to add another line the beginning of next year. I've learned so much, both about documentation and formatting. Thanks to all of you for what you do. Maybe someday, I can come to Ft Wayne for a visit.
Thanks again. Pam Pollard --Txbluebell6 10:33, 20 December 2011 (EST)
Family:John_Donelson_and_Mary_Purnell_(1) [21 December 2011]
I am in the process of completing the listing of children for this family. You have two persons listed as children with incorrect information.
John and Mary Purnell Donelson did have daughters with these names but they were born both in Davidson County, Tennessee. Rachel died in Williamson County, Tennessee and was buried there, most probably at the cemetery at her brother's farm, where she died. Mary is buried in the Coffee cemetery near Florence, Alabama, so I assume she died nearby.
I am thinking that if these are people you have info on from some source, they should not be deleted or the info changed, but simply disconnected from this family until their true ancestors are found.--Tbrady 10:59, 21 December 2011 (EST)
Mary_Donelson_(1) [21 December 2011]
This would be the same person, wife of John Coffee. Since John and Mary Purnell Donelson came to middle Tennessee in 1780, she would have been born in Davidson County, Tennessee.
There is a findagrave.com memorial for her:
showing her buried at the cemetery in Florence.
There is no photo or transcription of a marker, but I am assuming the dates on the memorial came either from the marker or cemetery records. But I have no better dates for you on her. She was, as you have her, next in order of birth after Rachel.
The findagrave memorial also includes a number of her children.
Thanks for your work.--Tbrady 15:39, 21 December 2011 (EST)
Rachel_Donelson_(2) [21 December 2011]
Since Rachel was born after 1780, when her parents moved to middle Tennessee, she would have been born in Davidson County.
Regarding her death, I have the following reference in: The Papers of Andrew Jackson: 1821-1824, page 229, Note 2 "On November 20 in Franklin, Tennessee, Rachel Donelson Eastin died following the birth of her daughter Rachel Jackson. Returning to Nashville from Alabama, Jackson arrived at the scene shortly after his niece's death.
Hopefully, you can pull up that page if you can manage to click on or copy and paste this link: http://books.google.com/books?id=lBedSM3L4qIC&pg=PA229&lpg=PA229&dq=rachel+donelson+eastin&source=bl&ots=3yY2ncmYqL&sig=zC0nBPrqBREeubF39AHS85FBxfg &hl=en&sa=X&ei=BUXyTtatIufn0QHo3vGpAg&sqi=2&ved=0CD8Q6AEwBQ#v=onepage&q=rachel%20donelson%20eastin&f=false
Since the letter to which the notes refer was dated December, 1822, it would appear that Rachael's death was 11/20/1822. I have not found any more reliable record regarding her death.
Her husband and two children are buried at the Hermitage Church Cemetery, having been relocated from the William Donelson Cemetery, which is where her parents are buried. She was not buried there. I have not found any record of her burial in Franklin.
When I lived in Nashville, a Williamson County historian gave me a copy of a biographical sketch on Lemuel Donelson, Rachael's brother. It indicated that Rachel was at Lemuel's farm at the time of her death and was buried there. That is the best info I have at this time.--Tbrady 15:55, 21 December 2011 (EST)
Awards, Featured Articles, and Good articles. [8 March 2012]
I made some new ribbons for Well Written Narrative, Genealogy Well Done, and Featured Articles. The following are scalable SVG images, rather than bitmap files.
The current ribbons, plain red and green, only seem to be used on handful of older articles. Many featured articles have green star ribbons, and only the older (circa 2007-2009) articles have the ribbons present on the Featured Articles page. Perhaps all the former featured articles need to be checked, retroactively given red Featured Article ribbons, and also either a Well Written Narrative ribbon or a Genealogy Well Done ribbon. Since not all pages and articles will necessarily have sources (such as featured User or Talk pages), the green star ribbon can be given for any generally good genealogical research. As I understand from the Watercooler discussion in 2009, the Genealogy Well Done and Well Written Narrative awards are rather informal, and can be given by anyone who finds a page they think is outstanding in some way. Both a template, and criteria exist for the Genealogy Well Done, but neither exist for the Well Written Narrative award. A template also exists for Featured pages. There are two Categories for Genealogy Well Done: Genealogy Well Done, Sources, and Genealogy well done. Perhaps the latter can be converted to a Well Written Narrative category. There is also a Featured Article category, but not all the featured articles have been categorized. In other words, there is presently a lot of inconsistency. I would be happy to help sort things out a bit by getting the articles categorized, making the ribbon awards standardized, etc. — Parsa 13:47, 6 March 2012 (EST)
Looks good, thanks:) Feel free to categorize the articles listed, I'm sure Dallan would appreciate the help.
Glebe Cemetery [8 March 2012]
I did a quick search earlier today on WeRelate source pages, and had a couple hits of on titles w/FHL film numbers for stuff seemingly related to this place. Might be useful. Still wondering why it's not a place page...? Good Luck! --jrm03063 21:22, 7 March 2012 (EST)
Thanks Jrm, I'll check it out. I'm not sure why it isn't a place page, it was started by Quolla6 (Bill), so I'll contact him and see if he wants to create a place page.
Father of Matthew Patton [12 March 2012]
I believe that the entry stating that James Patton and Mary Borden are the parents of Matthew Patton is NOT CORRECT. The only evidence you site for this relationship seems to be Chalkley's Chronicles...but there is no direct statement to that effect anywhere in the Augusta County Court Records. Matthew Patton may have been a nephew of James Patton, or a cousin, but I think there is considerable evidence to suggest that James Patton and his wife had only two daughters, and no sons. This assertion is well supported in two very well researched biographies - by Patricia Givens Johnson - one of James Patton and one of his nephew, William Preston.
James Patton had no sons of his own, so he took his nephew William Preston under his charge, offering him an education, making him his clerk, and training him to be a surveyor. This is significant because James Patton was a land speculator, and involved in several huge land grants (Woods River Land Company and the Loyal Land Company), and thus had dealings with the great majority of settlers who moved into the Ulster Tract from the 1740s up until his death, at Drapers Meadow, in 1755. William Preston's life would have been very different, indeed, if his uncle had had a son of his own. Much of James Patton's extensive land claims went, eventually, to his daughters and their husbands...and certainly not to Matthew Patton... If Matthew had been a son of James Patton, he would have inherited a huge burden of responsibility - for settling hundreds of incomplete land claims. Patton's nephew and his daughter's husbands were saddled with that complicated and extended task, one which was compounded by the French and Indian Wars and the fact that most settlers fled the frontier.
For further information, I think you could find plenty of information about Col. James Patton by reading any number of scholarly papers about land companies and the events leading up to the French and Indian Wars. James Patton had his hand in everything, and his death affected the land claims of just about everyone who was interested in owning land Augusta County. I believe that you or someone has made an error in gleaning information from the Chalkley Chronicles...and made a false assumption that James Patton was the father of Matthew Patton. You have not quoted anything in your research that documents your claim! I am not a descendant of James Patton...but of Mary Draper Ingles and William Ingles, who were there at Drapers Meadow the day that James Patton was killed. I have a masters in history from Virginia Tech and will be teaching classes this summer on the history of the Virginia Frontier. You might be interested to see my website www.vahistoryexchange.com--Ellenbrown 23:09, 11 March 2012 (EDT)
Thanks Ellen, I've updated Matthew's Person Page taking this information into account. Interesting how you are teaching at the site of the Draper's Meadow Massacre. You might be interested in the short article I added a couple of years ago:
Isabella Doak and children [14 March 2012]
Isabella Doak married John Milliken (not Milligan), in Augusta Co., TN, in 1786. Their children are as follows:
Mary Polly Milliken, SORRELLS, 1795-1887
Virginia Jenny Miliken, LYNCH, 1802-1855
John Robinson Sr. [15 March 2012]
My wife is a descendant of John Robinson Sr. Thank you for posting all of the land records and other information about him. We appreciate it very much.
Walt--Walt 18:33, 15 March 2012 (EDT)
John Mackey (McKy) (McKee) [16 May 2012]
AdGO TO THE OFFICIAL ROCKBRIDGE CO PIONEERS PAGE TO SEE THE PIONEER SKETCHES THAT WE HAVE RECEIVED!
Some additional information on John Mackey(McKy) A Pioneer Rockbridge County News, 30 March 1899
John McKy 1703 - 1773
Near the center of the old Timber Ridge cemetery is a stone slab some seven feet long, the top a plain surface and about the shape of a horizontal section of an old-fashioned coffin, with the letters cut so deep that they are now easily read as follows: Here lies the interred body of John McKy, who died in 1773 in his seventieth year, etc. This John was born in Glasgow, Scotland, about the year 1703, and made his way down into Ireland and thence to America early enough to penetrate the forests of the Valley of Virginia as far as the northeast end of Rockbridge (then part of Orange) county by the time he was thirty-three or four, and brought with him the spirit of religious liberty, as his main object seems to have been to colonize and build a house of worship. This is evidenced first by a log building (with small windows now shown in a dwelling house), erected on the summit, about two miles N.E. of the stone church, then the first clause of his will and the inscription on this slab. This however did not prove central to the colonists on Kerrs creek and those near the mouth of Irish creek, (Archibald Alexander settled within less than a mile from the mouth of Irish creek, i.e. the grandfather of the divine) and it became necessary to select a new site and build a new and large house of worship in the early seventeen fifties. John, Arch Alexander and two others signed a bond to see the builder paid some $450, and the wedge-shaped seventeen acres left by Sam Clark (Borden’s agent) for the benefit of the church not being suitable, General Sam Houston’s father gave the present lot thirteen poles square, based on his line with the seventeen acres to certain trustees, and their successors, but the seventeen acres was lost through neglect of the church people. The present stone church was completed 1756. John settled one mile east of the church on a tract he mentions in his will as the home tract, containing about 385 acres. Here he and his wife who was Mary Porter, daughter of William Porter, who settled where Wilson’s Springs hotel stands, reared a family of six children, two sons and four daughters. Jane married William McCorkle, ancestor of Henry McCorkle. Mary married Samuel Wilson, an ancestor of John A. Wilson and brothers. Esther married Arthur Walkup (two of first members of Lexington Presbyterian church); Betsy (Elizabeth) married a William Baily and moved to Kentucky. Henry married John Davidson’s widow (nee Elizabeth Vance) and lived near Riverside. William married Elizabeth Kennedy and settled on home tract. Henry and William were mere boys, ten and fifteen, when their father died. John Porter Mackey, William’s oldest son, born November 1800, said he was twelve years old when his grandmother died, which would make her survive her husband forty years and to have been much younger than her husband. In a call for a pastor at Timber Ridge John’s name is written John Mackey, but as signed to his will, recorded at Staunton in 1774, in Book 5, on pages 200 and 201, it is written John McKay (the name signed with a cross mark), and in this will his widow and these six children are named and assigned a portion, and his manservant, Andrew, is directed to be supported on the home tract as long as he lives, while other slaves are assigned to his widow and older daughters. The executors are William Porter and Henry McClung; appraisers, Arch. Alexander, William Alexander, John Lyle, William McClung. The inventory (appraisement) of personal estate recorded in same book, page 286, amounts to 785 pounds sterling, ten shillings, two pence. The will is lengthy and sets out to state his belief in the immorality of the soul, the resurrection of the dead and the reunion of the soul and body. John had but few relatives. The McClungs were his nephews. Some say he gave them a tract of land, others that they gave him “a little gray mare” in turn; but John undoubtedly looked more to others interest than his own. Had his aim been land, he might have left many broad acres. It is said when James McClung married a girl who had gone out to service (they called her a serving girl) that “Old Grandfather” said, “O, never mind, wives are hard to get,” which shows some were somewhat clannish. John had a bachelor brother named Robert, who lived with Jane McCorkle until he became dependent and then came to William’s to be cared for, and died there, as his brass-framed spectacles lost are the only evidence. As John’s son, William, did not marry until about 1798 this bachelor brother, Robert, must have been much younger than John, or much greater longevity (by this time John would have been near 100, and but few of his descendants have reached four score, while many have departed under three score and ten.) John’s intimate friend and neighbor was Arch Alexander, as their lands almost touched, while their houses were about two miles apart, and a daybook of Alexander’s, who wrote a good hand shows their frequent dealings. Yet there were no marriages between the two families until the third generation. More at another date about John’s descendants, who are numerous. One granddaughter is still living. Fairfield, Va., March 28th. J.S.M.
End Note: 1. Rockbridge County News, 30 March 1899, p. 3.
Back to Rockbridge County, VAGenWeb Rena Worthen--RBH 17:14, 16 May 2012 (EDT)
Changes to John Tate (1772-1854) [19 July 2012]
I'm new to WR and not sure of what information is appropriate for posting. I added John's death date and place (an SAR application clearly shows Callaway Co. MO), but you removed it leaving just the state. What was there a problem with what I entered? And you changed the months to all caps - is that the preferred format for entering dates?
I appreciate you cleaning up what I added and will try to get better about sources, etc. Is it OK to use family papers as sources? Also how certain do I have to be about information I add?
What is your connection to this Tate family? There's so much conflicting information online. It would be great to have one place to look for the most accurate and recent research on genealogy questions.
John Tate Confusion [20 July 2012]
That genforum excerpt was written by me, and should probably be updated based on my further analysis of the various John TATEs. I'm just not quite sure how to go about straightening up the information here on WR. Basically, the information about John TATE(8) is a bit messed up. Guess I'll try editing his page.
KS--KayS 20:26, 19 July 2012 (EDT)
Thanks Kay, appreciate the clarification:)
Kudos [12 August 2012]
Not to clutter your page, but I wanted convey appreciation for the quality of Early Settlers of Augusta County, Virginia. I hope to contribute once I've finished studying it.
And in reading this page to find an appropriate topic, I've been impressed by your response to frustrations expressed by other users. I'm going to check out the etiquette page. Don--Brear47 15:30, 12 August 2012 (EDT)
Thanks Don, feel free to add any records or families you may have in Augusta County and the surrounding areas. I'm sure there are likely some errors (since not everything I've added is from primary research), so whatever help you are willing to provide would be greatly appreciated. Best regards,
Fitzgerald [29 August 2012]
So, are you related to George Fitzgerald of Sullivan Co, TN??--Feenerty 19:10, 28 August 2012 (EDT)
Hello, no I'm not related to George, but I was adding some records to his father, George Fitzgerald, so I thought I'd work on his family a bit... I've added some sources and message board postings that hopefully you'll find useful. Best regards,
Cool, thanks. :)--Feenerty 00:06, 29 August 2012 (EDT)
Early Settlers of the Borden Grant [10 November 2012]
I noticed that William Porter is not listed under portions of data. The following is taken from “A Family History William Porter, Jr. of Rockbridge County, Virginia (1740-1804)” by Mary E. Porter.
William Porter purchased land in 1742, a tract that lay beyond the Blue Ridge Mountains in what was then Orange County, Virginia. The 395 1/2 acre parcel was purchased from Benjamin Borden and was part of the well known Borden Tract.
On October 3, 1734, Governor Gooch of the Virginia Colony, eager to entice settlers into his western lands, offered Benjamin Borden of New Jersey 100,000 acres of land beyond the Blue Ridge Mountains if he could persuade 100 settlers to build cabins and settle on it The settlers were to be “immigrants” meaning not then residents of Virginia. Borden advertised in Pennsylvania and New Jersey, offering settlers who would build a cabin and move into the area, 100 acres of free land, and the opportunity to buy more. Borden was not able to meet the first deadline, but by building several cabins himself, by 1739 he was able to claim 92,000 acres of land. By 1741, settlers were recording their deeds.
William Porter had evidently built a cabin on his land and improved it and settled there prior to 1742. The deed identifies him as “William Porter, yoeman, of Orange County”. There are two documents relative to this land. The first in the deed book is dated 26 August 1742. It apparently covered rent for the previous year, as it was for one year only and the rent was 12 shillings plus one ear of Indian corn, if demanded. This record mentions houses, orchards, etc. and said that William Porter was in possession. In other words, he was an established settler by that time. The second indenture reads much the same as the first except that the first date on it is 17th August. It was witnessed the same day as the first one. It “conveys to William Porter, his heirs and assigns forever ... in consideration of the sum of twelve pounds current money of Virginia” the land described above. Quit rents were to be paid annually to the Sovereign King and his successors forever! This land was sold in 1747 for 28 pounds, more than double the purchase price of five years before.
William Porter bought at least three other tracts of land in the Borden Tract, as follows:
1) 112 acres for four pounds, November 28, 1750 “on the west side of the James at said Porter's patent”, This suggests a previous purchase in the area but no record of it was found. This was a few miles from his first land.
2) 200 acres for sixteen pounds, May 15, 1754 “on west side of North River.”
3) 110 acres for three pounds, August 21, 1754 “to corner of Porter's old survey”
The first two of these tracts are located on a map of the Borden Tract. The deeds were conveyed to Benjamin Borden, Jr. as the elder Borden had died in 1743, leaving his son in charge of his vast holdings. This Porter land was along the western border of the Borden Tract and some of it reached beyond its borders. Porter also bought land outside the Borden Tract as follows: 107 acres in 1755 “on the south side of the North Branch where it runs through the Calf Pasture” (hundreds of acres of undesignated land so named on the old maps).
All of this land was in mountainous country where the fertile valleys would have been suitable for growing corn and tobacco, and the hillsides would have been good pasture for livestock. It was heavily timbered and well watered.1
It was probably on the last one of these tracts of land that in 1755 William Porter built a large house of logs that stood until 1956. It was a two story house with large stone fireplaces at each end and a central stairway. A wing extended to the rear with probably another fireplace for cooking. The house was said to have had five fireplaces. (For a picture of this house see James W. McClung, Historical Significance of Rockbridge County, Virginia, published by McClure Co., 1939, p. 147).
This house, long unoccupied, was bought in 1956 by Hays Claburne and moved to his ranch near San Antonio, Texas. According to a story in a San Antonio newspaper, the Clayburnes wanted an authentic log house of the colonial period that they could restore for their own home. An agent found this house for them and arranged to purchase it, have it taken down, and moved. Stone from the original site was used to rebuild the fireplaces. The exterior was preserved as nearly as possible like the original house would have been when it was built.
William Porter was probably living in this house at the time of his death. Apparently the property went to his son, William, since it was sold following the death of William Porter, Jr. by his widow, Mary, on December 2, 1811 (Deed Book G, Page 473, Rockbridge County Probate Records.) This house was located two miles west of Rockbridge Baths.
One of the land purchases of William Porter was said to have had on it the first sulpher spring discovered in Virginia. This may have been the tract which later became the summer resort known as Wilson's Spring.
The will of William Porter was filed in Rockbridge County, Virginia March 5, 1782. Strangely, the will did not dispose of all of his land. There is mention of a sale of 107 acres “adjoining the homestead” to William, his son, on May 19, 1777, but this same tract appears to be mentioned in his will as “the place where I now live”. It was bequeathed to his wife, Gean, for her lifetime and then to his son, William. Probably William, Jr. had not paid his father for the land previously deeded to him. He does not mention the 200 acre tract purchased in 1754. Perhaps he had given it to his son, William, before his death but no record of transfer was found. William, Jr. mentioned this tract in his will. I think there is a possibility that he could have transferred this land to his other son John. Haven't found any record of this but John died before his brother William Jr. and this land is mentioned in "his" will. RBH--RBH 17:23, 31 August 2012 (EDT)
your David Jackson (41) [1 November 2012]
I just found this Person:David Jackson (41) in wikipedia here in case you're interested: [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Edward_Jackson]. He's not in my Jackson line but any Jackson catches my eye. I was checking to see which Jackson was connected to the Rocky Mountain Fur Company and found him. I've not got the hang of this wikipedia thing or I'd put it on his page, but the whole thing seems to be up for discussion anyway. --Janiejac 21:55, 27 October 2012 (EDT)
I'm still trying to figure WeRelate out so I hope I'm doing this right. I noticed you are a "watcher" of the family page of Thomas Petty and Elizabeth Moore. I'm working on my Pettey side of the family and right about here it starts to get tricky. I have Rev William Eli Pettey Sr as the son of Thomas Petty and Elizabeth Moore. You don't list him so I wondered if you have good records that he was not their son? In a few generations we can't tell which Thomas Petty (of two) is our real ancestor. Maybe the trouble starts here? Would love to have some input. Thanks, Lana--Ragtimelil 19:06, 1 November 2012 (EDT)
Changes to John Stuawart and Sarah Givens [5 November 2012]
I obtained a copy of Johns Will from the Court House records in stauton Va. and as I have found His childrens families there are no Sarah's not even a middle name Sarah. and I believe That If John was married to Sarah Givens Her Name would reacure in the family names.I am now checking a Samuel Morrison Who was a freeHolder in Rafry as it was spelled in 1745. and is listed on the same Page with a John Stewart in a Raffry combined freeholders list on the same page are Shaws and then the Osbornes in saintfield. As the names and dates unfold I hope to find the true relatives of My Ancesters. My Sources include ancestry.com, proni.gov.uk, familysearch.org, Scotlandspeople.com and the courthouse records of Staunton Va.--Destuart 14:04, 5 November 2012 (EST)
Children of James Sharp and Ann Waddell [10 November 2012]
A new user entered a number of Person pages, but did not attach them to a family. I believe they belong to Family:James Sharp and Ann Waddell (1), but since this is your family, I defer to you. The pages in question are listed under the contributions of Workmanlj. I was hoping to connect these to their proper family and eliminate these orphan pages. --Jennifer (JBS66) 13:42, 10 November 2012 (EST)
Thanks Jennifer, I've added them to this family. Orphans no more:)
Have a great weekend,
Thanks for adding Thomas McDonald from a trustworthy source! [29 November 2012]
The Hanlon site is a great resource for Thomas McDonald, husband of Charity Teter. It answered questions that had bugged me for years about what happened to some of their children. --Sue
My pleasure Sue, glad I could connect one of your lines. I've been working several McDonald families in the Augusta/Botetourt/Bath County area, trying to sort them out... :)
Best regards, have a great week,
Your Early NC Settlers pg [11 December 2012]
Would the table of NC Counties & their dates of organization on this page be helpful to you? http://www.werelate.org/wiki/Jackson_in_North_Carolina You are welcome to use it any way that would help. I started that pg some time ago and don't seem to be using it. --janiejac 00:27, 11 December 2012 (EST)
William Kelley [23 December 2012]
My name is Bernard Kelley and I am trying to locate other Kelley lines related to mine. My Gr-gr-gr grandfather was Daniel Kelley was born in Maryland in 1774 and was Married in Henry Co. Ky in april 1804. I am not sure whom his fater was as there were a number of Kelley families who settled this area at the same time and they are not all related. My Kelley line has a unique Y-DNA and I am trying to locate the other lines to tie us back together again. If you know of a male decendent of William I would strongly suggest they have their Y-DNA checked through family tree DNA, even the cheapest 12 marker test will veryify our relation or not due to the unique markers. I thank you for your time and if you have any questions you may contact me at email@example.com Bernard Kelley--Bernard 10:49, 23 December 2012 (EST)
Stewart Family [26 January 2013]
I am wondering if Olive Stewart, is related to Charles Lester Stewart? I believe he was born in the State of Oregon.
Thank you! Angie--Angie2u 03:27, 26 January 2013 (EST)
George Croghan, Susanna Wilkins [14 February 2013]
Thank you for all of you hard work and editing of the pages. You are striving for accuracy, and quality of information that are backed by sources. I apologize for my recent activity and will take it slower and more cautious in the future. I struggle with a disabiltiy that sometimes clouds my judgement in areas where I need to be more mindful of what I'm trying to present. It's confusing in my attempt to understand the maze of names I'm confronted with. If I'm ever too disruptive in my efforts to find my ancestors as it concerns this site, please let me know and I will gladly step aside and watch. I will not be offended by that. Again, it has been an honor to watch you work.
Sorry, and please let me know you got this email.
"Family:George Croghan and Unknown (1)" has been changed by Delijim at 03:06, 14 February 2013. Edit summary: Come On! Seriously, how could George's wife be 28 years older and start having children at age 60? Need PROOF and records."--Samples 59 23:28, 13 February 2013 (EST)
William Spencer [15 February 2013]
I received a message from you regarding editing one of the files you own on this network. I apologize to you for breaking the rules of the network. I certainly didn't mean to undermine your work by editing the birth date of this ancestor; please feel free to return it to the original date. On reflection and seeing how things morph on the Internet, I would like to have your permission to remove the paragraph I entered under the name of my 4th great grandfather William. I need to do more checking into the accuracy of my uncle's research. I'm currently documenting every connection and relative he has named on his old family tree records. Please feel free to delete it for me or let me know if you'd like for me to do it, but I do want it deleted. I hope I'm communicating correctly with you; this seems sort of a public place to send this message to you. Thank you. Susan--Smarsden 12:28, 15 February 2013 (EST)
Thanks so much for the quick reply!
I just made the change I suggested in my message; actually it was an old quote from a genealogy.com forum that I had put there. It was a long time ago and I'm not sure if I posted that comment on this site, but I must have made the date change. Can you track those edits? I regret that I have posted anything on genealogy.com. I had no idea that there were folks who just made up family connections. I found a connection on Ancestry.com to my ancestor that goes back to a Turk in 220 A.D. or something ridiculous. There were at least two men with the same name who served in the Am Rev War; I wish people would be more responsible! I guess if they wish it they can make it so in their own minds.
If you created the page on my ancestor, does that mean you ran across his name and added him, or are you related to him in some way? And...did I add the names of his offspring or did someone else?
In future, I'll get in touch with you on any information I want to add or edit; I would love to collaborate with someone responsible. My uncle's tree is accurate so far, I just want paperwork to prove it all, he was more interested in family oral history, I want facts and figures for future generations.
Thanks so much for your patience with me and for the good work you do!
Susan--Smarsden 17:52, 15 February 2013 (EST)
Thanks for the McDonald page improvements! [21 February 2013]
Yes, if that is going to be a featured page, it needed your improvements! All that work because Dace 'Cash' married one of my Jacksons . . . I went back to his person page to put line breaks in the census records. I just don't like them all run together but it is too time consuming to do that with all the pages. I'm wiki-challenged and that's not the neatest page; but it seems to get the job done. You should have seen me smile to have it selected. :) . .--janiejac 09:36, 21 February 2013 (EST)
Buckner entries [22 February 2013]
Hi - I noticed you've been entering a lot of data on the Buckners lately. You should be aware that there is a lot of very, very unreliable information on this family. The reason I have refrained from simply filling in, for example, dates from web pages on the internet is that they are in most cases just random guesses, and in many cases very bad guesses. In many cases, such as your edit of Elizabeth Cooke to Elizabeth Sampson, you're relying on a web page that copied from a rather notorious forger who faked up a lot of Buckner genealogy so he could sell it to people on the internet. Good data helps, but bad and even fake data just wastes a lot other peoples' time. I'm trying to correct all this credulous misinformation that floats around the internet, but I can't do it if people keep reposting it as if it's got some kind of credibility. Tarchon 17:56, 22 February 2013 (EST)
I believe I just stumbled across some of the sites detailing the mis-information posted on some of the other sites. I'll stop where I am, so you can correct whatever you feel is credible. Sorry, I thought this family appeared well-researched. Thanks for letting me know.
JeffreyRLehrer offered to help out with featured pages [8 March 2013]
Hi Delijim, User:JeffreyRLehrer just left a message on my talk page offering to help out with featured pages. I suggested that he get in contact with you. It would be nice to have more people help out!--Dallan 12:01, 8 March 2013 (EST)
Absolutely, we've been short on candidates, the help would be appreciated:)
Old Augusta and Kanawha [14 March 2013]
I've done some work on Early Settlers on Kanawha River, Augusta County, VA, adding some images, discussion and maps. I haven't gotten acrried away with this, but I think the page looks nice.--Q 16:27, 14 March 2013 (EDT)
Looks good, thanks:) I also noticed another page that you had added a map and additional info the other day, thanks also for adding that, too:)
Have a great week,
Blankenbaker [20 March 2013]
What was wrong with my information regarding Michael Thomas and Anna Blankenbaker? I'm new to this website and it was difficult to see what was changed. Thanks, Kim--Kimmasonwylie 18:27, 19 March 2013 (EDT)
Ok cousin, I think I get it. My e mail is firstname.lastname@example.org if you'd like to talk. I'm very confused by this set up and don't quite understand how to communicate the best way.--Kimmasonwylie 20:07, 19 March 2013 (EDT)
Thomas Bell/David Bell Inaccurate Post [25 March 2013]
Thanks for catching my mistake. They could use such oversight on Ancestry. No excuse, working too late, trying to catch up for a lengthy hiatus, frustrated by what I am finding. Doesn't help to add to the problem, I should have been more careful.
Who has been adding to the Augusta Co. VA Bells on this site?
Newbie, Harvey--Harvey Bell 12:15, 23 March 2013 (EDT)
I have not been able to find my original map, however you can download the map I am currently using at:
Sorry my comments are causing so much consternation. I will refrain from posting in the future. My thirty years of research are not worthy of being considered "primary" they are just my "opinions." My research is based on my interpretation of the same records you have access to.
Deleting pages [31 March 2013]
Just to mention, by deleting Place:Hampshire, Virginia, United States you created 913 red links from other pages linked to it.
I've restored the page and put it in as a redirect which maintains the links. AndrewRT 15:03, 26 March 2013 (EDT)
Sorry Andrew, meant to have it merged with the other Hampshire Page.:)
possible duplicate [31 March 2013]
Please take a look at the conversation on this page and let me know if I should merge these two family pages and also the person pages of Martha Miller (1) and (2). I don't have documentation for this but it seems so logical . . .--janiejac 09:56, 31 March 2013 (EDT)
Wife of William Patterson [17 May 2013]
I'm still sorting out the Patterson. There's definitely a Wm. Patterson who married a Mary McDonald---clear original source validation on that point. I think this is William 60, Not so sure about a Wm. Patterson who married Mary Walker. I've got him as William 63. Not sure which Mary Walker is meant, Still working the line.
Bill--Q 22:58, 16 May 2013 (EDT)
OK Bill, hope we get to the bottome of this line:)
Have a great week,
Trout Run [30 May 2013]
I was looking for latitude and longitude for your Trout Run(Virginia/West Virginia), and I discovered it may exist under another name.
As per the wikipedia article Wardensville was originally known as Trout Run, but the article neglects to mention the date when the name was changed.
--Pkeegstra 11:20, 30 May 2013 (EDT)
Abel Jackson of Bath VA [26 June 2013]
Thanks for the heads up about Abel! I've made note of it and am watching his page. Would you be interested in putting a wall bash icon on Abel's page to put him in the brick wall category? I am very gradually getting around to doing that for the various earliest known Jackson ancestor lines that I know about. An example is Person:Stephen Jackson (12). It's OK if you'd rather not.--janiejac 12:49, 24 June 2013 (EDT)
William Lamme [26 June 2013]
Good afternoon. I notice that on "WeRelate", you are watching trees which include William Lamme.
I am also looking for information on William Lamme, but to date I don't think any of the trees on We Relate have made reference to the one I am looking for. While it is possible, I don't think the one I am looking for is the William Lamme of Augusta County (b. act 1747), nor The one shown as having been born about 1777 in Augusta County.
I'm wondering if in your researches you have possibly come across another one of the multifarious people with the name William Lamme (or Lam, or Lamb-- they all seem to be used interchangeably).
I am looking for information on William Lamme, born about 1785-1789. He was probably born in Augusta, Rockbridge, or Rockingham Counties, and I cannot rule out Orange County. He was married to Elizabeth Weir (or Ware), and had Children James, John, and Matthew. I have also found references to Isaac and Mickleberry as being other sons, but from the context I cannot be sure that these were not cousins, as I know that in that period close cousins were frequently referred to as "brother".
Any help you can offer would be most appreciated, as I have hit a major rock wall.
Thanks in advance for anything you can offer. Dave Lam--DL 11:29, 26 June 2013 (EDT)
Augusta/Bath property owners [3 July 2013]
Is this info pertaining to Cedar Run of interest? Or maybe you already have it and I just don't know how to locate it . . .
Abstract of Wills and Inventories of Bath County, 1791-1842
Virginia Land, Marriage, and Probate Records, 1639-1850 at ancestry.com
Kingwood, WV [6 August 2013]
Is your Kingwood, Monongalia County, WV the same place as Kingwood, Preston County, WV? I see that Monongalia County is one of the predecessor counties of Preston County. --Pkeegstra 15:43, 6 August 2013 (EDT)
Dillman/Spitler Families [23 August 2013]
Good to make your acquaintance! Looks like we have a number of families and people in common. When I went back and looked at Elizabeth Spitler (1) page, I realized the sources I had added to substantiate the place - and the date - of her birth do not contain that information. Wanted to let you know I was going to change the birth entry again to correct my original error. Look forward to working with you!--Frank 18:26, 23 August 2013 (EDT)
Thanks - edits to John S Stanier and Elizabeth Brydon Woollcott [11 September 2013]
Thanks for your edits to my grandfather and grandmother's pages (John Stewart Stanier and Elizabeth Brydon Woollcott). I am a brand new user, trying out the werelate.org system as a test. I am a fan of collaborative systems, and your corrections and additions to my family tree show why collaboration is so powerful. At first I was alarmed to get the emails that someone was changing the entries on "my" family tree. Then when I looked, you had corrected it, linked it to census data, and expanded it 5 fold. Now my great grand parents and great aunts and uncles are in there!--Charlie s 00:20, 11 September 2013 (EDT)
Featured page nom [16 September 2013]
I noticed that your list of WeRelate:Featured page nominations was looking very low so I responded to your request and added a page as a suggestion. However, I haven't had any response and see that some other nominations have now come in ahead. Could I ask if this has been overlooked or have you agreed to decline the nomination? Thanks AndrewRT 14:04, 16 September 2013 (EDT)
Donaghe [27 September 2013]
I tried to figure out how to edit and add info to your site. Donaghe is one of my family lines. My line is Hugh Donaghe and Elizabeth Walker, Hugh McCausland Donaghe (also called Hugh Caslin Donaghe)and Elizabeth Barley, Elizabeth Melvina Donaghe and Joseph Thompson (Oregon trail 1852 with the Mercer Thompson train *Note: Mercer's wife was Sally Donaghe, sister of Elizabeth), James Franklin Thompson and Rachel Elizabeth Olney, Joseph Thompson and Myrtle Paul.--Rootstodig 03:41, 27 September 2013 (UTC)
Joseph Kincaid Albemarle County, VA [1 October 2013]
Thanks for your work on my ancestor Joseph Kincaid/Kinkead, died 1774, Albemarle County, VA. I see you show Joseph Kincaid as the father of David, James and my ancestor Joseph Kincaid. I am a volunteer administrator for the Kincaid Surname DNA Project and we have over 200 participants from around the world. We are attempting to document all the lineage info we show on our website. www.kincaiddna.org I had come to the conclusion that the father of David, James and Joseph shown as sons of the Joseph on We Relate had to be a John Kincaid (KInkead, Kincade, Kyncade?) because the descendants of David and Joseph followed the Scottish naming pattern for several generatioons and using the naming pattern for the parent of David and Joseph it would be a John Kincaid however the descendants could have started using the Scottish naming pattern starting with sons of theirs. Many assumptions that many researchers had believed have been proven to be false by the dna results. DNA has proven to be a great tool to be used along with documentary evidence. A proven descendant of David Kincaid matches me exactly on the 37 marker dna test and I descend from Joseph. We have not found any definite male descendants of the other brother James but still looking. Perhaps We Relay could help by mentioning this.
One of our most interesting projects is to find descendants of a John Kincaid of Chalcarroch, Scotland, Covenanter, who had signed the Covenant to stay true to the Protestant church and was imprisoned and shipped along with almost 200 other Covenanters to Perth-Amboy, NJ in 1685. The last record we find for him is the protest petition most of the men signed after landing in NJ. History books say most of the Covenanters went North into the New England Colonies and a few went South to the Carolinas. This past 2 weeks I have been working on the lineage of Kincaid’s who have been in NJ for several generations thinking they might be descendants of John. We have traced 1 generation further to New York to a William Kincaid and need to do more work to trace further back. We will look at undocumented work as well as documented work since it might be accurate or at least provide clues to the actual lineage.
Thanks for any help or insight you provide!!!
Don W Kincaid 1509 W Key Largo Ct Gilbert, AZ, 85233
cell 254 631-5684--DonWKincaid 16:13, 1 October 2013 (UTC)
Samuel Black and Jane Porter Black [23 October 2013]
--RBH 22:29, 23 October 2013 (UTC)
Awhile ago I received an email either from you or Quolla. I have been unable to connect with WeRelate for obvious computer problems. I am sorry that I do not have the email you sent any longer but it concerned the validity of who Samuel Black married. It was in reference to his wife being Jane Rebecca Porter or Rebecca Jane Porter. It was said that you would need to see the will of Samuel Black who died in 1782 in Augusta Virgina. I have since found information that I think will be helpful to you to determine that this is indeed fact. I have copied and pasted this info for you to peruse. It states his will can be found in Augusta County Court Will Records in Book 6 Page 230. There was a question as to the year Jane Porter was born. It showed 1737, when it actually was 1731. She is the daughter of Wm. Porter Sr. of Rockbridge Co. who is mentioned in her father's will as Gean Black whose name he spelled the same way as his wife, Gean, Jane Porter's mother. She is the one who was omitted by whoever transcribed the will, thus leading to the confusion of Gean Black versus Gean Mackey. See Wm. Porter talk page. I hope I am making myself clear with this information.
Note: s/o John & f/o John & William; Catherine's grandfather; Came to Va with his father at age 10 in 1737; Had 9 children; purchased 600 acres in the Draper area of Montgomery Co in 1772, but probably never lived there; Left the land equally to his sons, John & William-William was already living there.Of the sons of JOHN BLACK, Samuel the third son was bu t ten years of age when he came with his father to Virginia in 1737, and he also certified a s to the correctness of this just prior to his decease in 1782, when he was a resident of Augusta county, and began his will with the statement that he was then 55 years of age, was born in 1727 and married in Augusta County, Va. in 1749 to Jane Porter who was born in 1731. They had nine children, (Bible Reference) and Samuel [is] outlived [by] his wife. In the records of Augusta County his will is placed in book 6 - Page 230 and is dated September 2, 1782. As stated he began his will with the statement of his age then named his legatees as his son John to whom he left 300 acres of land located on New River where he lived , and to son William 300 acres rest of the tract as given to his son John, then to sons Samuel and William, infants (that is under the age of eighteen) the home place known as "Pine Knot " and to his several daughters, Mary, Martha Anne, Margaret, Nancy, and Jean then to wife also. He named as Executors his wife with his brother William Black and William Porter his wife' s brother, and the witnesses were Walter S. Davis, Thomas Stuart, and Matthew Alexander. Th e date of will as probated was April 19, 1783 and all Executors qualified. May 6, 1783 the es tate of Samuel Black was appraised by three men of Augusta County and the Continental Loan Office issued a certificate dated June 1784 for six thousand dollars. At the time James Best wa s the accountant. Will Book 2 Page 206 of Augusta County, Virginia, date November 15, 1801 , WILLIAM BLACK having been appointed one of the Executors of Samuel Black was given a receipt by the legatees for their interest in the estate of Samuel Black viz; John Black, Matthew Alexander, and wife Jane, Samuel Price and wife Margaret, William Black and wife Jane, William Black Jr. ,Martha, Samuel, Nancy and James Black. ========================================== ===================================== Reverting to Samuel Black, we note he was not limited in land holdings, but owned seven hundred and thirty acres located on South river where he made his home, This he devised to his several sons, but there is decided evidence that both James and William sold their portions in Montgomery County then known as West Augusta, and moved away.
From Deed Book A Page 174 recorded in Christiansburg, Va. we have the following; This Indenture made this the 18th day of November, in the year of our Lord 1772, between William Ingles of the county of Fincastle, and David Robinson of the county of Botetourt of the first part, and Samuel Black of the second part of Augusta Co Virginia, Witnessed that William Ingles and David Robinson for and in consideration of the sum of five shillings current money of Virginia, to them in hand paid by the said Samuel Black at or before the sealing or delivery of these presents, the receipt whereof is hereby acknowledged, hath granted, bargained and sold and by these presents doth bargain and sell unto the said Samuel Black one certain tract or parcel of land containing six hundred acres more or less, being part of a larger tract granted to James Patton by Letters Patent lying in Fincastle County on Tom's Creek and the waters of Woods river (now New River) and the said six hundred acres is part of 620 acres granted to James Patton by Letters Patent lying in Fincastle County, bearing date of the 20th and 21st of March 1754 the title of which land has by sundry conveyances since become invested in the said William Ingles and David Robinson. The said six hundred acres is bounded by the land of Phillip Barger, and Robert Graham, and the Patton line with all house and buildings, orchard ways, water and water courses, profits commodities, and heridaments, and all appurtenances whatsoever to the said premises, hereby granted or any part thereof belonging or in any wise pertaining etc. Reversion and reversions, remainder and remainders, rents, issues and profits thereby. To have and to hold the six hundred acres of land to be the same more or less and all of the premises therebygranted with the appurtenances unto the said Samuel Black, his Executors, Administrators and Assigns from the before the date thereof, for and during the full time and term of one whole year from the next date ensuing, fully to be completed and ending, yielding and paying thereof the rent of one Peppercorn on "Sadyday" (Saturday) next if the same shall be lawfully demanded and to the intent and purpose that by virtue of these presents and of the statute for transferring uses into possession,the said Samuel Black may be in actual possession of the said premises, and to be thereby enabled to accept and take a grant of release of the reversion and inheritance thereof to him and his heirs, in witness whereof the said William Ingles and David Robinson have hereunto set their hands and seals the day and year as first above written. Sealed and delivered in the presence of William Preston, John Aylett, Stephen Trigg, William Dunlap. Francis Smith and William Kirby. Also signed by both William Ingles and David Robinson.
Remarks Will of Samuel Black, aged about 55 -- To son, John, 300 acres on Niw River where John now lives; to son, William, 300 acres, rest of above tract; to sons, Samuel and James, infants, home place known by name of Pine Knot; to daughters, Margaret, Mary, Martha, Nancy, Jean; to wife. Executors, wife, brother Wm. Black, Wm. Porter. Proved by Stuart and Davis. Executors qualify. Surname Given Name Title Description Property Residence Year Black Samuel Decedent Augusta Co., VA 1782 Black Mrs. Decedent's wife Augusta Co., VA 1782 Black John Decedent's son 300 acres on Niw River where John now lives Augusta Co., VA 1782 Black William Decedent's son 300 acres, rest of above tract Augusta Co., VA 1782 Black Samuel Decedent's son home place known by name of Pine Knot Augusta Co., VA 1782 Black James Decedent's son home place known by name of Pine Knot Augusta Co., VA 1782 Black Margaret Decedent's daughter Augusta Co., VA 1782 Black Mary Decedent's daughter Augusta Co., VA 1782 Black Nancy Decedent's daughter Augusta Co., VA 1782 Black Jean Decedent's daughter Augusta Co., VA 1782 Black William Decedent's brother Augusta Co., VA 1782 Porter William Executor Augusta Co., VA 1782 Davis Walter Witness Augusta Co., VA 1782 Stuart Thomas Witness Augusta Co., VA 1782 Alexander Mathew Witness Augusta Co., VA 1782 Black Martha Decedent's daughter Augusta Co., VA 1782 Black Mrs. Executrix Augusta Co., VA 1782 Black William Executor Augusta Co., VA 1782 Year 1783 Book / Page WB6:311 Date 8 May 1783 Prove Date Remarks Samuel Black's estate appraised by Cornelius Ruddle, Thos. Rutledge, Alex. Thompson. Continental Loan Office Certificates of June, 1780, for $6,000. James Best's account.
AUGUSTA COUNTY, VIRGINIA - CHALKLEY'S CHRONICLES; Vol 3, PP 220 - 229 Page 206.--15th September, 1801. Receipt to William Black, executor of Samuel Black, by the legatees, viz: John Black, Mathew Alexander and wife Jane, Samuel Price and wife Margaret, William Black and wife Mary, William Black, Jr.; Martha Black, Samuel Black, Nancy Black, James Black.
File No. 927.--Stuart vs. Black. Robert Stuart complains that Samuel and James Black claim his land. Robert is son of Thomas Stuart, who received conveyance from Beverley, 1st March, 1749. Beverley conveyed to John Black, ancestor of defendants, 30th May, 1749.
William Black deposes, 16th November, 1801, at house of John Black, in Montgomery County: Remembers the line (?) trees, when he was a small boy, 20 years ago. Deponent is son to Samuel Black.
John Black, aged 45 years, deposes, 16th November, 1801, at house of John Black in Montgomery County: Is son to Samuel Black. Deponent and Robert Stuart attended I. Cunningham's school.
Receipt, viz: "July ye 15th, 1742. Received of John Black, ye quit rent of 738 acres of land in Manner Beverley, due for four years last past, viz: A.D., 1738; A.D., 1739; A.D., 1740; A.D., 1741. per JOHN HART, D. S. O. C."
Samuel McCutchen identifies Hart's handwriting above.
Samuel and James Black (son of Samuel Black) answer: Their land is part of 738 acres surveyed for John Preston, 19th and 23d April, 1738, and sold to Samuel and James's grandfather, John Black, by Beverley, 31st May, 1749.
Marriage 1 Jane 'Rebecca' Porter b: ABT 1731 in Augusta County Virginia
Married: 1749 in Augusta Co, VA
Has No Children Samuel Black , Jr. b: in Augusta Co, VA Has No Children Martha Black b: ABT 1752 in Augusta Co, VA Has No Children Margaret Black b: ABT 1755 in Poss Albemarle County Virginia Has Children John Black , Sr. b: 12 DEC 1755 in Montgomery County Virginia Has No Children Jane Black b: ABT 1757 in Augusta County Virginia Has No Children Mary Black b: ABT 1760 in Montgomery Co, VA Has Children William Black b: 14 FEB 1767 in Augusta or Montgomery County Virginia Has No Children Nancy Sally Black b: ABT 1769 in Augusta County Virginia Has Children James M. Black b: ABT 1770 in Augusta Co, VA--RBH 22:56, 23 October 2013 (UTC)
nav template conflicts with fam info [25 October 2013]
Jim, I don't think this page for Robert Allen tuned out the way you intended. The navigation template is conflicting with the family info on the right. Fam text is showing on top of template. I'm using Mozilla Firefox if that makes a difference. --janiejac 20:38, 25 October 2013 (UTC)
Battle of Point Pleasant [5 November 2013]
I'm consolidating your article page for the Battle of Point Pleasant and the Category page "Category:The Battle of Point Pleasant" into a single new page Category:Battle of Point Pleasant. I'm retaining the existing pages until I've managed to resolve all the references over to the new category. I hope it will all meet with your approval... :) ! --jrm03063 03:39, 6 November 2013 (UTC)
Claimed GEDCOM in review [12 November 2013]
Hi Jim, I see that you have 'claimed' Run4Fun's GEDCOM in review. This may not have been intentional, but other reviewers would not process the file since your name is attached to it. You can leave a message over at WeRelate:GEDCOM review so that Khaentlahn or Solveig can complete its processing. Thanks! --Jennifer (JBS66) 14:17, 12 November 2013 (UTC)
Thanks Jennifer, I added a note on the Talk Page of the WeRelate:GEDCOM review. Since User:Run4Fun had a couple of recent gedcoms that included numbers, letters and special characters in the name field, I wanted to take a quick look and see if this newer gedcom contained similar problems. Dallan is also aware of the situation.
Thanks much, have a great week,
Early Settlers and Categories as facts [19 November 2013]
I've recently been looking at more situations where it is desired to put a Person/page in a category of one sort or another. In the medieval and noble spaces - I've done a lot of this sort of thing with people who were in particular families of nobility, or who were key actors/casualties in historically recalled battles.
More and more though - it seems to me - that every case where we want a Person in a category - seems to be driven by some key fact. I was recently messing with the person page for Gov. John Webster. He was in two different categories - Colonial Governors of Connecticut and Founders of Hartford - using the ordinary wiki syntax. I wondered about changing them to my newer approach. Becoming Governor was a clear enough fact - simply add the date of his election as the start of an occupation (extending for the length of his term in office) - and use a template to both add him to the appropriate category and leave a nice-looking category link in the fact presentation. The same thing turned out to work well for Founders of Hartford. Being considered a Founder being defined (perhaps arbitrarily) as having settled there before Feb 1640. But again - fine - all that's needed is a residence fact that indicates being in Hartford before Feb 1640. So again, I used my template in the residence fact description instead of using the wiki category syntax.
I really like this approach - since it pushes back on the demand for facts - and facts can be explicitly attached to their source support. Category syntax doesn't do that - it's just stuff in the body of the page that may or may not be supported. It potentially would also be nicer in an exported GEDCOM - where the fact/source relationship would be preserved with the name of the category - even if the category proper isn't preserved. So I'm kind of enthusiastic about it.
Anyway - I happened upon your early settlers of Augusta County page - and the related category. I wanted to bring the approach to your attention - perhaps you might like it. --jrm03063 00:57, 18 November 2013 (UTC)
No problem at all:)
Brush Creek Township [19 November 2013]
n.b. Brushcreek Township, Highland County, Ohio already exists, using the spelling I found in the preponderance of sources.
Somewhat unrelated, the Oversight Committee recently discussed expanding the scope of place pages to include inland bodies of water and churches without churchyards, and in both cases affirmed the status quo. (i.e. if inland bodies of water or churches are relevant to the location of an event, they can be mentioned in the free text "description" field. Also a church with burials inside and that church's churchyard are a single place.)
P.S. There are three places called "Anthony" in Greenbrier County, West Virginia. Are they all semantically different? If so, it would be great if the text could reflect the semantic difference.
--Pkeegstra 16:57, 19 November 2013 (UTC)