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We Relate Featured Page for week of April 25th, 2011 [28 April 2011]

Hi Richard, just wanted you to know that your Person Page, Maria Hornet has been selected as this week's WeRelate "Featured Page"! Great work, keep up the good work!

Best regards,

Jim:)

Co-Administrator on WeRelate--Delijim 13:31, 27 April 2011 (EDT)

Thanks - pleased you liked it. Richard--RichardK 01:36, 28 April 2011 (EDT)

Next step: Review your GEDCOM [14 June 2011]

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England and incorrect entry for a town [28 June 2011]

Richard,

Thanks for the correction in location re: John Worthington. You are quite right re: Pendennis and I have re-read my information and corrected everything to just plain "England" or if using Pendennis have made it Maryland. Thanks for the help.

"Pendennis Mount is a community or populated place (Class Code U6) located in Anne Arundel County at latitude 38.998 and longitude -76.476 (Pendennis Mount Panoramio Photos). The elevation is 85 feet. Pendennis Mount appears on the Annapolis U.S. Geological Survey Map. Anne Arundel County is in the Eastern time zone (GMT -5). Observes DST? Yes. Current Time. | Annapolis, MD ZIP Code Maps"

Peggy T Robinson peggytrobinson@msn.com--Peggytrobinson 10:35, 28 June 2011 (EDT)

You're welcome - I was just tidying up places that appeared as top-level places under England and didn't recognise Pendennis!--RichardK 15:03, 28 June 2011 (EDT)

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Next step: Review your GEDCOM [1 August 2011]

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Savage.ged Imported Successfully [2 August 2011]

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Next step: Review your GEDCOM [17 August 2011]

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Meekins.ged Imported Successfully [18 August 2011]

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Wikipedia templates [30 October 2011]

Hello RichardK, I am a volunteer admin here at WeRelate. I noticed that you have added text from Wikipedia to place pages. Instead of adding the text and the wikipedia-notice template, please add the following code: {{source-wikipedia|wikipedia page name}}. As part of a weekly automated process, this template will be replaced with the text from WP. There is more information about this process here. Thank you, --Jennifer (JBS66) 18:21, 29 October 2011 (EDT)

Thanks Jennifer - I'd had a go but it didn't work for me - the guidance page is helpful and hopefully I'll get it right next time. Richard.--RichardK 02:08, 30 October 2011 (EDT)

WeRelate Featured Page - week of February 13th, 2012 [14 February 2012]

Hi Richard, just wanted you to know that your Person Page, John Reid, has been nominated and selected as this week's WeRelate Featured Page for its use of sources, information and narrative, and is listed on the WeRelate Main Page. Thanks much and keep up the good work!

Best regards,

Jim:) Co-Administrator on WeRelate.org--Delijim 17:18, 13 February 2012 (EST)

Thanks Jim - glad you liked it! Richard.--RichardK 01:50, 14 February 2012 (EST)

Walbys of Aston, Hertfordshire [4 May 2012]

Hi Richard,

I have recently been researching my family history and came across this website, I am a descendant of George Beadle and Dorcas Walby and noticed you may have been the person responsible for posting some information about them and the Walby family. As you are marked down as 'watching', I would be interested to know what your started off your interest in them?

Cheers

Tom--Tom35 11:43, 3 May 2012 (EDT)

Hello Tom

I'm a descendant of the Walbys of Aston, through George Walby (baptised 1779) who left and moved to Great Wymondley and Hitchin. I have been posting what I know about them - there are a few Walby wills at Hertfordshire Archives I know are there but haven't had a chance to go and research yet.

Regards Richard.--RichardK 14:05, 3 May 2012 (EDT)

Great to make your acquaintance Richard, your research has helped me a lot, fantastic that you have been able to take the Walby's back so far, so you are a descendant of Dorcas's older brother George.

I have hit a bit of a stumbling block myself as I cannot seem to get back further than George Beadle on that side, as I have conflicting information saying he was born in Layston, Benington (but Layston is near Buntingford) and there are Beadles in Benington and Layston so it is confusing which line is correct and I cannot find any info on Georges parents on Ancestry.co.uk.

Best wishes.

Tom--Tom35 04:13, 4 May 2012 (EDT)

Hi Tom

Looking at it, your George Beadle appears in the 1851 census giving his place of birth as Bennington, and age as 68, implying born 1782/3. I imagine other researchers have then simply looked on FamilySearch and seen the closest match there being the George Beadle baptised 29 Apr 1781 at Layston (which parish included the town of Buntingford). However, I'd be wary of simply accepting that without further evidence - FamilySearch has good coverage for Hertfordshire but it is not complete, nor can you ever be certain that every child was baptised or that every baptism was properly recorded, so you can't just say "this is the closest on FamilySearch" and take that as fact.

Good luck in your search. Richard.--RichardK 09:58, 4 May 2012 (EDT)

GEDCOM Export Ready [22 June 2012]

The GEDCOM for tree 05. Marshall is ready to download. Click here.

Bedfordshire page [7 November 2012]

Hi Richard

Thanks for sorting out those bits and pieces on the Bedfordshire page. Sometimes one looks at things too long to see grammatical errors. As for missing out Huntingdonshire, that shows too much dependency on Wikipedia (who have also omitted it).

Over the past six months I have done a lot of work on Ontario, Canada pages which have all got to a stage that an electrician might call "first fix". Bedfordshire happened to be the first English county page--alphabetically. There looks to be lots of sorting out to do.

Regards --goldenoldie 16:39, 7 November 2012 (EST) (Pat)

Hi Pat - I did try and tidy up the Bedfordshire (and neighbouring Hertfordshire) parishes a while ago, giving them all co-ordinates and the like, but didn't do much with the county's own page. As for Wikipedia missing out Huntingdonshire, that's because it uses the modern counties - but the nature of WeRelate is such that it's far more the historic ones that are relevant. Good luck in what sounds like a massive task. Regards Richard.--RichardK 16:47, 7 November 2012 (EST)

GEDCOM Export Ready [26 April 2013]

The GEDCOM for tree 06. Nicholls is ready to download. Click here.

Another WeRelate Featured Page [17 May 2013]

Hi Richard, just wanted to let you know that your Person Page: Edward Turner has been nominated and selected as the WeRelate Featured Page, making your this your 3rd! This Person Page is well-sourced and documented and is a great example to other contributors. It will be on the Main Page until the week of May 27th. Congratulations, nicely done, and keep up the good work.

Best regards,

Jim:)--Delijim 11:27, 17 May 2013 (EDT)

Thanks Jim - nice to make the hat-trick! Regards, Richard.--RichardK 15:30, 17 May 2013 (EDT)

Thank you [20 July 2013]

Hello Richard,

Thank you for your research and the missing information on James Brookman and family. Regards Jeffrey--JeffreyRLehrer 10:55, 19 July 2013 (EDT)

Richard, as you know I haven't seen them, would you have a copy of the images for the 1851 and 1861 census for the Brookman's. It doesn't matter if not, I appeciate you looking them up and adding the information here for us. Jeffrey

Hello Jeffrey - glad to be of help. I'm slightly wary of posting the images, as I don't want to breach any intellectual property rights in the images nor the terms and conditions of any of the commercial companies which host the censuses. You should be able to find the images from the reference numbers I've quoted in my citations from any of the companies which host them - Ancestry, Findmypast etc. Regards, Richard.--RichardK 16:14, 20 July 2013 (EDT)

Walbys [21 October 2013]

Hi Richard

We spoke a long time ago about the Walby's of Aston (Dorcas in my case).

Another descendant would like to send you a 200 page research document on the Walbys.

If you are interested in receiving it please could you let me know your email address.

It is in pdf format.

Best wishes

Tom--Tom35 12:22, 21 October 2013 (UTC)

Hello Tom - I would be interested in seeing that. Many thanks Richard

Mitchell [3 January 2014]

Hi Richard

My name is John Mitchell grandson of Samuel Mitchell. I was going to get in touch with you to tell you the date Samuel died but I see you have now found that out. It took me a while to locate the correct Samuel because of an incorrect age on his marriage certificate but, when I got a copy of his death certificate, all fell into place. Alan Mitchell, his last surviving child, thought it was likely he claimed he was younger than he was in order to 'capture' Alice. Once I new I had the right Samuel your research has allowed all his family know a lot about their ancestors for which I am very grateful. I would be interested to know what your interest is in the family.

I know very little about Samuel, the only pictures I have of him are after he married Alice May Brewin in Loughborough. I would love to find out more about Samuel particularly why he ended up in Loughborough - my uncle Alan knows vey little and cannot remember any of Samuel's family other than a man called Frank who may have been 'interested' in one of Alan's sisters. I have not been able to find any candidates for this person. Do you have any more information about Samuel or his siblings that might help. I see you know a little about George if I could locate any of his family they might be able to help.

Obviously I have information about Samuel's eight children if it is of any use to you.

Thanks again for all your work.

John--Johnmitch 13:22, 2 January 2014 (UTC)

Hello John

The Mitchells are on my wife's side - she is the great granddaughter of George William Mitchell, your Samuel's younger brother. I have pretty much put everything I know about the family here on WeRelate - not a lot of information was passed down through the family, so apart from the photographs of George William and his second wife almost everything has come from research. I'd struggled with Samuel - he seemed to disappear after 1911 (as does his brother Charles Frederick) - I'd only just found a post on RootsChat a couple of days ago which made sense of Samuel's later life. If you know Samuel's exact dates of birth, marriage and death I'd welcome those. I'd worked out that he and Alice had eight children - but I haven't put pages for them on here because personally I don't like putting people born within the last century online, even if they have died. I think it's a bit too close to people who may still be living. I can't say for certain who Frank is - but George William had a son called Frank, born (if I remember rightly off the top of my head) in about 1920. As to why Samuel might have moved to Loughborough, I'm afraid your guess is as good as mine.

Pleased to make your acquaintance.

Richard--RichardK 14:50, 2 January 2014 (UTC)

Hi again Richard

Thanks for your reply - I only have copies of Samuel's marriage and death certificates.

According to Samuel's marriage certificate he married at the Parish Church in Loughborough on the 25th October 1919. His age was stated as 26 and his wife Alice May Brewin was 20. His address was 13 Hume Street and hers was 73 Meadow Lane. The witnesses were Ephraim (father) and Catherine Brewin. Alfred (deceased) was recorded as Samuels father.

Samuels death certificate gives his date of death as the 7th September 1959 age 74 years at 11 Clarence Street in Loughborough with Alice as the informant. The cause of death is recorded as a) Cerebral Thrombosis b) Arteriosclerosis.

John--Johnmitch 13:38, 3 January 2014 (UTC)

Denis Cleary [8 February 2014]

Hi there -

I believe the information for Denis Cleary (www. werelate. org/wiki/Person:Denis_Cleary_%281%29) is incorrect. I am a direct descendant of his and have traced him through my grandmother, Maria F. Cleary -- he was her grandfather.

Denis left Kildare for Dublin, marrying Maria Frances Mooney (daughter of James and Frances Marshall). Check out this record, with the link to the document image at the bottom of the page: churchrecords. irishgenealogy. ie/churchrecords/details/a6df1c0056375

Here is their child, Denis: churchrecords. irishgenealogy .ie/churchrecords/details/b34a350203488. Denis later married Bridget Nulty and my grandmother was one of their children. Denis, son of Maurice, died sometime between 1883 and 1901, since Maria and the child appear on the 1901 census alone and Maria's marital status is "Widow".--Valerialia 06:57, 8 February 2014 (UTC)

Thank you very much for that information, Valerialia, and apologies for my mistake. I shall try and correct the pages shortly. Regards RichardK--RichardK 08:01, 8 February 2014 (UTC)

savage family [2 March 2014]

hi Richard, I believe we are related through Barzillai Savage. his parents John and Elizabeth are my 6x gr.grandparents.(if I am doing this right) I have been working on the family tree for many years now and the only one I can not find a birth place for is greatgrandmother Jane Savages husband John Knight. I put my records on charts as I am old school and do not know the computer too well. if you send me your email I will send you the charts as soon as I finish them. I may have to forget John Knight as there are too many of them. he died in 1880 before the 1881 census at 36 years of age. by the way you have done a great job on this site. Dorsav--Dorsav 19:19, 1 March 2014 (UTC)

Hello Dorsav - if you want to send me a message, my address is: richardakelly"at"hotmail.com (replace the "at" with an @). I look forward to hearing from you. Regards, Richard.--RichardK 07:17, 2 March 2014 (UTC)

St. Ives and St. Ive [3 August 2014]

Richard

I am afraid I messed up your entry of St. Ive. There are two places, St. Ive and St. Ives, in Cornwall. I have gone and corrected St. Ive to St. Ives and I shouldn't have. The two parishes are at opposite ends of the county. St. Ives to the west and St. Ive (which I had never heard of before) to the east. I am not sure I can sort out my error. Can you?

BTW, WeRelate policy is to use St. rather than St--I too would rather omit the period, doing so is standard practice here in Britain.

--Goldenoldie 19:00, 3 August 2014 (UTC)

Hello Goldenoldie

I've undone the redirect so St Ive is now a separate place again - there are several online trees that get confused between St Ive and St Ives and have people hopping 70 miles from the one to the other and back. As for the full stop, St Albans, St Helens and the other St Ives near Huntingdon have all managed to sneak past without them on WeRelate too!

Thanks Richard.--RichardK 20:49, 3 August 2014 (UTC)

GEDCOM Export Ready [7 August 2014]

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GEDCOM Export Ready [7 August 2014]

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GEDCOM Export Ready [7 August 2014]

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Albery or Alberry family history [8 October 2014]

Hi RichardK, I came across your name when looking for information about a relative called Eliza Ann Albery and discovered that you have added many Alberrys to the family tree on werelate.com I have added all the people below from a programme called Family Tree Maker that my mother used over the past few year whilst digging around in the past.

Here is a letter my mother wrote in 1997 but never posted it as she was unable to find an address to send it to. My Mum is 88 now and lives in Potters Bar, Hertfordshire England.

Dear Mrs Albery, I am trying to make a family tree, and have discovered that my great grandfather married (I think in 1863) an ELIZA ANN ALBERY, and his brother George (both BACK) married a Martha Albery, who sadly died when her son Alfred was only 4 weeks old. I wonder if any member of your family might have any photographs in their possession of Eliza Ann or Martha. Also if you have any information regarding these two ladies, I would be really grateful to learn more about them. GEORGE BACK sent his son Alfred to Australia in about 1870? When he was 16 years old, where there is now a large ongoing family, who are keen to learn of their forbears. I look forward with hope, of learning something for a member of your family, especially for the Australian relatives. I do have in my possession some correspondence between my grandfather Louis Albery Back and a member of your family. He was, unfortunately, an unsuccessful poet or writer!!! Thank you for taking the time to write this letter. Yours sincerely Ione Hobbs (Mrs)

Regards from Neville Hobbs Welwyn England

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From: Ric Allberry [1] Sent: 08 October 2014 00:52 To: 'Neville Hobbs' Subject: RE: WeRelate e-mail

Can you provide a link for me, Neville?

From: Neville Hobbs [2] Sent: Sunday, 5 October 2014 12:34 AM To: Allberry Subject: WeRelate e-mail

I have added some info for you on this site. Take a look. Neville Hobbs--Neville Hobbs 10:23, 8 October 2014 (UTC)

Hello Neville - thanks for the message. I think you may have meant it for User:Allberry though, not me. I only edited one of his Alberry pages where something had gone wrong (I presume whilst uploading) and the page was full of random letters. I was just tidying up - I have no connections to the Alberry family (that I'm aware of).

Thanks Richard.--RichardK 11:40, 8 October 2014 (UTC)

Ok Richard. I am new to this site Nd still fumbling around. Neville--Neville Hobbs 14:10, 8 October 2014 (UTC)

hello [12 November 2014]

Just wanted to.say what great work you have done, accidentlying stumbled acrosso the family tree you have created! I have found it fascinating. It looks like we share great great grandparents but I. Appreciate the fact you continuedoing down the line as far as my father (stI'll living so I can't add him yet). Would love to add if thats okay (as in adding my grandfather spouse and.back and my grandfather paternal side) will be.glad to.share if I discover anything. Had an interesting stop at Bere ferrers yesterday on return home. Found what I thought was siteam of Monkey Castle and a headstone set into a pub floor. Lovely village. Matthew Ball--Mrmiball 22:07, 9 November 2014 (UTC)

Hello Matthew Nice to hear from you. Feel free to add other people to the tree - that's the point on this website, it's a collaborative effort. Personally I try and research out as far as first cousins (grandchildren of direct ancestors). Who are you actually connected to amongst my Bere Ferrers lot? I've not actually made it down to that end of the country since starting my family tree research, so I've not been to Bere Ferrers myself. Regards Richard Kelly--RichardK 06:54, 11 November 2014 (UTC)

Thanks I will add, seems a very usable Web site, interestin to see how different families link, and makes life easier that people can add. I will work back from the the nearest point to me as I haven't quite work out where we link, I guess we share gt gt grand parents. Louis Ball was my Dad's dad. William Ball (b 1866) + Ellen Sarah Harry are my great grandparents (parents to louis) WILLIAM Richard Harry and Jane Drake (Ellen parents) is our common link I guess, or do you think it'so before? It was Jane Drakes mothers headstone I found in the pub, Mary nee drake.

Have made a start and am surprised how quickly I've got back to 1790 just using the census on ball side despite nearly every other person being called William Ball in Plymouth at one point! It's quite addictive but time consuming, your tree from what I see is impressive.--Mrmiball 19:30, 11 November 2014 (UTC)

Hello Matthew - yes, we connect at William Richard Harry and Jane Drake, who are my 3g grandparents - I'm descended from their daughter Louisa Kate, Ellen's sister. Did you note down what Mary's headstone in the pub (!) said? I've also seen you've joined the thread on Rootschat - pleased to see what you found out about Monkeys Castle's location - that name has always intrigued me. Regards, Richard.--RichardK 20:03, 11 November 2014 (UTC)

The grave stone was a little worn, but as far as I can see it read," Mary; wife of John Drake; (unclear) this parish; died on the 1st Dec 1833; Aged 50.' Some differences to the burial record you found but I felt it was too close to be coincidence, and the apparent reason for the stone being used for flooring was that is was among what seemed to be the stone masons practice stones. The land lady called them practice stones, but given my assumed price of stones, surely they are faulty ones....and I'm surprised the stone masons wouldn't double check dates and ages (I'm assuming the burial record is more likely to be correct). Perhaps the stone was ordered by someone well intentioned who'd got the dates wrong, maybe a correct stone never made it into the church yard, but am speculating. Monkey Castle is where I found a gate size gap and a wall curving in that forms part of the bank. Apparently full of snow drops and daffodils on season. But you wouldn't know it's there, I only guessed on what I was told and on close looking there was stone wall in an otherwise mud hedge. The plot seems fairly unchanged, in 1850s it seems a partially wooded strip, now trees cover most of the strip between the road and field.--Mrmiball 08:18, 12 November 2014 (UTC)

Will try and post gravestone photo here, or somewhere later when I work out how--Mrmiball 08:28, 12 November 2014 (UTC)

Hello Matthew

Thanks for that. Probably find the gravestone wasn't made until 1833 and the mason carved the wrong date on it. If it's easier to e-mail my address is richardakelly 'at' hotmail.com Thanks Richard.--RichardK 20:38, 12 November 2014 (UTC)

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Allen Family and Marshall Family [7 February 2015]

Hello Richard I note that you have an interest in the Allen family in Markyate and Caddington. Also the Marshall family in Luton, which is quite amazing as I am researching both of these too.

I have quite a bit of info as my Grandmother was Olive Marshall b.in Luton whose parents were Phillis Marlow and Joseph Marshall. Phillis was my great grandmother and I remember visiting as a little child.

The Allen family are on my Dads side and I have been researching them for a few years now. I have gone back as far as my GGGGrandfather George Allen b. abt 1836 in Maryate. I have his marriage and death certificates, but I cannot locate his birth or the 1841 and 1851 census's. I do however have him in the rest but not the 1911 census as he died in 1905. I do however have his wife Hannah living in Hicks Road Markyate in 1911.

I just stumbled upon this site a week ago, so I am still finding out how it works! I have been wondering if we might be related in some way?

I hope to hear from you Thanks PatK--PatK 17:13, 7 February 2015 (UTC)

Hello Pat Sounds like we are related on the Marshall side - Joseph Marshall's parents George Marshall and Rachel Ellen Linney are my 3x great grandparents - I'm descended from their son John. The Allens of Markyate I've recorded on here are the husband and children of Emily Moss, whose father William Moss was another of my 3x great grandparents - I'm descended from Emily's half-sister Susannah Priscilla Moss. Hope that helps. If you want to e-mail, my address is richardakelly 'at' hotmail.com Regards Richard.--RichardK 19:03, 7 February 2015 (UTC)

Mary Best / Mary Ann Best [11 May 2015]

Hi Richard, I would love to know via what branch we are related. I think I added from Hannah Horton . But I altered as I looked at 'UK census on line' and confirmed by a website called 'Dusty Docs.--Saunders family tree 14:32, 11 May 2015 (UTC)

Mary Best / Mary Ann Best [11 May 2015]

Hi Richard, I would love to know via what branch we are related. I think I added from Hannah Horton . But I altered as I looked at 'UK census on line' and confirmed by a website called 'Dusty Docs.--Saunders family tree 14:32, 11 May 2015 (UTC)

Mary Best / Mary Ann Best [16 May 2015]

Hi Richard, I would love to know via what branch we are related. I think I added from Hannah Horton . But I altered as I looked at 'UK census on line' and confirmed by a website called 'Dusty Docs.--Saunders family tree 14:32, 11 May 2015 (UTC)

Hello - I see where you've put some extra detail on Hannah Horton's page. Looks like our common ancestors are therefore William Moles and Hannah Pratt (Hannah Horton's maternal grandparents). Having looked at UK Census Online I see they have misread the handwriting on the 1851 census. It actually says "Devonshire St Sidwells Exiter" for her birthplace - I have checked the handwriting (Ancestry.co.uk and findmypast.co.uk both have the images of the census books, albeit for a fee). Whoever did the transcription for UK Census Online obviously struggled to read it and guessed it was supposed to say "Loddiswell" but ignored the "Exiter" - and Loddiswell is a village 35 miles away from Exeter. In the 1861 census Mary was less precise and simply gave her birthplace as Exeter. That being the case I hope you'll agree we should put her birthplace back to Exeter. Thanks Richard.--RichardK 19:51, 16 May 2015 (UTC)

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Bastock Family [2 August 2016]

Hello Richard. I am new to this site and have been very impressed with the extent of info on the Bastock family. Am I correct in assuming this is your work? If so, there is a lot of detail on Harriet Charlotte Bastock which makes me think you may be a descendant of hers. Her sister Eliza Bastock and husband George Thumbwood are my Great Grandparents. My research so far has concentrated on the Thumbwood family with particular interest in George Thumbwood's army service as Eliza and George spent a number of years in India with the British Army and my grandfather Bertie Harry Thumbwood was born there. I believe there are possibly 3 children born to Eliza before those listed on this site ( and before their marriage in 1884). These are Maria E Bastock who died as a child (possible daughter) and Lillian and Mary (Polly)- definite daughters of Eliza and who took the name Thumbwood in census records. I am currently researching the birth records of these three. Are you aware of any connection between the Bastock family and America. I have a copy of a passenger list for SS Baltic sailing to New York in April 1912 which lists Eliza and her daughter Maggie as passengers and would love to know why they went. Regards Wendy--WendyP 21:35, 31 July 2016 (UTC)

Hello Wendy - yes, the pages I've put on here are based on my own research. Harriet Charlotte Bastock is my wife's 2 x great grandmother. I hadn't picked up that Eliza Bastock and George Thumbwood had other children - thanks for pointing it out. Afraid I haven't found any specific relatives on this side of the family who emigrated, so can't help on why Eliza and Maggie would have been going. Travelling in April 1912 they were lucky not to take the Titanic. Thanks Regards Richard P.S. if you want it my email is richardakelly "at" hotmail.com (not writing it quite properly to try and avoid spam, but you get the idea.)--RichardK 19:41, 1 August 2016 (UTC)

Hi Nice to hear from you. I'm a bit busy at the moment but some time in the next week or so I will email you the additional info I have for Eliza and her family. You are right about missing the Titanic! Eliza had travelled to Ireland, India and Ceylon whilst George was in the army so I don't expect the trip to New York would have fazed her too much but we'll probably never know why she did it. I think your wife must be either my third cousin or third cousin once removed, still trying to get my head round that one. Regards Wendy--WendyP 14:48, 2 August 2016 (UTC)

English civil registration quarters and districts [16 July 2019]

Hello Richard

I do a great deal of inspection and editing of UK pages within WeRelate and often see your name on pages I am working on. I would think you and I belong to the very small English-resident contingent of WR regulars. Hertfordshire and Bedfordshire would appear to be your territory; I live in Buckinghamshire, but add to the descriptions of places in all British counties.

Registration Districts have now been added as Places in all English counties, I think. Usually I only use them in editing other people's work when the registration district and number is the only clue given and it is pretty obvious that, except from sparse family information, FreeBMD is one of the few written sources the originator has inspected.

When I added the reference in Family:Charles Seabrook and Clara Nicholls (1), I was working through a huge group of entries of this type, many provided in 2007 when WR was in its infancy. In these cases I am not providing the information for the original contributor (he or she has probably long lost interest), but attemting to expand clues for members who might be inspecting what is available on one of their own surnames. The registration district can pinpoint the location of the family just that bit closer than giving the county only.

As to the date setup, I discovered that the Jan-Mar xxxx phrasing had been added to the list of acceptible date methods in WR and started to use it for registration entries.

I shall have to see if I can phrase the Free BMD information into a basic source that I can repeat from one entry to another.

Regards, --Goldenoldie 20:22, 16 July 2019 (UTC)

Definitions of London [12 April 2020]

I understand why you would want to consider Kensington as part of London in 1889. I considered this point when I first looked at Middlesex/London addresses. But I came to the conclusion that it was better to take 1900, the year all the new boroughs were officially up and running, as the starting date for using London in place of Middlesex. The 11-year period seems to have been a time in limbo. Officials must have had a lot of T's to cross and I's to dot during that era.

Kensington is fairly simple. Sorting out Holborn, Hackney, Islington and Shoreditch must have been much more difficult.

--Goldenoldie 10:21, 12 April 2020 (UTC)

Hello again - afraid I have to disagree with you there on using the date of the creation of the Municipal Boroughs in 1900 as the date from which to start calling these places 'London'. I quite agree that was an important milestone in the evolution of local government in London, but from 1889 there was the overarching London County Council delivering public services in the area (alongisde the more local vestries and boards), and moreover, the county councils created for Middlesex, Surrey and Kent at the same time excluded those parts of their historic counties which were ceded to London at the same time. Someone living in Kensington between 1889 and 1900 may have known academically that where they lived had historically belonged to Middlesex, but had they approached Middlesex County Council about any services they'd have been redirected to talk to London County Council, as Kensington was not within the territory of Middlesex County Council.--RichardK 10:47, 12 April 2020 (UTC)

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Cassanet family [27 April 2021]

Richard,

Newbie to myrelate and I only found it when googling Peter Vincent Cassanet. It is not clear but presumably it is you who has written up all the Cassanet data and if so - many congrats and I have after all the years of researching Cassanets (amongst others!) gleaned some new facts and data about the family. Peter Vincent Cassanet aka Pierre-Vincent is my gt x4 grandfather - comes down via his daughter Mary, then her daughter Emma Mary Evans who married William Hillier in 1846. Their youngest was Emma Florence who married Albert Sexton in 1890 - eldest daughter Gladys b 1891, married Harry Hayward in 1918 and their only daughter Joan is my mother. She is still with us - we are off to her 100th in Weymouth next week, as much as we can do in the current care home restrictions! You have unearthed some new stuff about PVC as I call him - difficult to pin down exactly on his Vendean background - and also on my ancestor Mary, his daughter. I had noticed the Nancarrow name cropping up but had not followed it through to see that Mary was de facto married to him by the end. One minor puzzle is the background to PVC's eldest Peter, b 1795. The Vendean War started in 1793 and we therefore must assume PVC fled France very early in that conflict (1794?) if Peter was born in England. He did not marry Ann Dean until 1799 and Peter was not christened until 1798. Was he born out of wedlock in London or was he brought to England as a baby with PVC? I think it was the IGI that is the only source for the birth date of 29 mar 1795. Are you related via the Timothy connection? I have Guy Martin's tome on the Timothy family - and met him some years ago. Strange that our names are reversed!

Regards, Martyn Guy

PS do you want my email address if that is better to correspond with?--MartynG 15:40, 27 April 2021 (UTC)

Hello Martyn

Many thanks for getting in touch - yes, I did write up the pages on Peter Vincent Cassanet here on WeRelate, and pleased that you found some of it useful. If you wanted to drop me an email it's: richardakelly "at" hotmail.com (not quite writing it correctly to avoid spam, but I'm sure you get the idea). Many thanks, Richard.--RichardK 19:45, 27 April 2021 (UTC)