User talk:Loulehmann

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Samuel Spates ancestors.ged Ready for Review [19 June 2009]

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--WeRelate agent 02:29, 19 June 2009 (EDT)

Samuel Spates ancestors.ged Ready for Review [19 June 2009]

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--WeRelate agent 13:33, 19 June 2009 (EDT)

William Ewing Descendants Entire.ged Ready for Review [20 June 2009]

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--WeRelate agent 14:26, 19 June 2009 (EDT)

Hi,

Debbie forwarded your message to me. I'm sorry -- I don't have an easy way to increase the font size in the review program. I'll have to think about how I could do that. Anyway, it looks like you were able to review it ok. You probably know that you can at least increase the font size in the bottom (html) window.

I reviewed this GEDCOM but moved it back to user review because I would like you to do something further on it: You matched two of your families with existing families. Your families have some terrific sources attached to them, and the existing families just have OneWorldTree sources. By default, when you match your family to an existing family, the information in your GEDCOM is not added to the existing family; you have to specify which pieces of information from your GEDCOM you want added. Would you please review your GEDCOM again? Click on each of the two families that you matched, check the boxes to the left of the information from your GEDCOM that you would like added to the existing pages (you can also uncheck boxes to the right to remove redundant information from the existing pages), then click the Update button at the bottom of the screen. When you've done this, click on the Import tab and click Ready to Import again and I'll import it right away. One of the goals at WeRelate is to encourage people to add real sources, so I'd love to see yours on these existing pages. Thanks!--Dallan 19:03, 19 June 2009 (EDT)

Thank you for your kind comments regarding my sources. I would like very much to add them to a unified tree for the two matched families. However before I read your message about my sources and how to add them, I mistakenly did an update review of the two families with a couple of "keep" notations but did nothing about the sources as you suggested as I then didn't know how. Now how can I merge my sources before importing?

Lou Lehmann--Loulehmann 12:05, 20 June 2009 (EDT)

Hi, I right-clicked on each of the two families and selected "Unlink this family" from the menu. This allows you to start over. The families now say "(not a match)", but you can change this by clicking on the family, checking the boxes to match the existing pages and clicking on the "Match" button at the bottom of the page as you did before, then checking the boxes next to the sources and anything else you want to add to the existing pages and clicking on the "Update" button at the bottom of the page. Once you've done this, click on the "Import" tab and mark it ready to import and I'll import it. Thanks!--Dallan 14:52, 20 June 2009 (EDT)

Hi, I see that you updated the first family. Did you want to update the second family also? It looks like you have some good sources for them as well. If you do want to update them, please re-review your tree (click here) and update the second family and then click Import again. If you'd rather not update them, please leave a message here and I'll go ahead and import it. Thank-you!--Dallan 21:51, 20 June 2009 (EDT)

Samuel Spates ancestors.ged Imported Successfully [19 June 2009]

The pages from your GEDCOM have been generated successfully. You may view them by launching the Family Tree Explorer and opening the family tree into which this GEDCOM was imported.

For questions or problems, leave a message for Dallan or send an email to dallan@WeRelate.org.

--WeRelate agent 18:45, 19 June 2009 (EDT)

Sarah Pope ancestors.ged Ready for Review [19 June 2009]

Welcome to WeRelate! WeRelate is different from most family tree websites. By contributing to WeRelate you are helping to create Pando for genealogy, a free, unified family tree that combines the best information from all contributors.

Now that you have uploaded your GEDCOM, your next step is to preview what your pages will look like and combine (merge) people in your GEDCOM with matching people already on WeRelate. When you have finished your review, your GEDCOM will be imported. Click here to review your GEDCOM.

--WeRelate agent 01:08, 20 June 2009 (EDT)

Lewis D French ancestors.ged Ready for Review [19 June 2009]

Welcome to WeRelate! WeRelate is different from most family tree websites. By contributing to WeRelate you are helping to create Pando for genealogy, a free, unified family tree that combines the best information from all contributors.

Now that you have uploaded your GEDCOM, your next step is to preview what your pages will look like and combine (merge) people in your GEDCOM with matching people already on WeRelate. When you have finished your review, your GEDCOM will be imported. Click here to review your GEDCOM.

--WeRelate agent 01:08, 20 June 2009 (EDT)

Mary Ellen Dower ancestors.ged Ready for Review [19 June 2009]

Welcome to WeRelate! WeRelate is different from most family tree websites. By contributing to WeRelate you are helping to create Pando for genealogy, a free, unified family tree that combines the best information from all contributors.

Now that you have uploaded your GEDCOM, your next step is to preview what your pages will look like and combine (merge) people in your GEDCOM with matching people already on WeRelate. When you have finished your review, your GEDCOM will be imported. Click here to review your GEDCOM.

--WeRelate agent 01:09, 20 June 2009 (EDT)

Albert Lehmann ancestors.ged Ready for Review [19 June 2009]

Welcome to WeRelate! WeRelate is different from most family tree websites. By contributing to WeRelate you are helping to create Pando for genealogy, a free, unified family tree that combines the best information from all contributors.

Now that you have uploaded your GEDCOM, your next step is to preview what your pages will look like and combine (merge) people in your GEDCOM with matching people already on WeRelate. When you have finished your review, your GEDCOM will be imported. Click here to review your GEDCOM.

--WeRelate agent 01:09, 20 June 2009 (EDT)

Dallan Talk Page [20 June 2009]

Hello,

I have forwarded your message on to Dallan's Talk Page. If you would like Dallan to response the best thing is to leave a message on his Talk page. On the main WeRelate page at the bottom is a link to Dallan's Talk page. On sources usually when you merge pages, it asks you what you would like to keep, and you can choose what to discard.

Debbie Freeman --DFree 12:26, 20 June 2009 (EDT)

Hi Debbie, I'm watching this page now. Thank you.--Dallan 14:52, 20 June 2009 (EDT)

Sarah Pope ancestors.ged Imported Successfully [20 June 2009]

The pages from your GEDCOM have been generated successfully. You may view them by launching the Family Tree Explorer and opening the family tree into which this GEDCOM was imported.

For questions or problems, leave a message for Dallan or send an email to dallan@WeRelate.org.

--WeRelate agent 14:56, 20 June 2009 (EDT)

Lewis D French ancestors.ged Imported Successfully [20 June 2009]

The pages from your GEDCOM have been generated successfully. You may view them by launching the Family Tree Explorer and opening the family tree into which this GEDCOM was imported.

For questions or problems, leave a message for Dallan or send an email to dallan@WeRelate.org.

--WeRelate agent 14:59, 20 June 2009 (EDT)

Mary Ellen Dower ancestors.ged Imported Successfully [20 June 2009]

The pages from your GEDCOM have been generated successfully. You may view them by launching the Family Tree Explorer and opening the family tree into which this GEDCOM was imported.

For questions or problems, leave a message for Dallan or send an email to dallan@WeRelate.org.

--WeRelate agent 15:00, 20 June 2009 (EDT)

Albert Lehmann ancestors.ged Imported Successfully [20 June 2009]

The pages from your GEDCOM have been generated successfully. You may view them by launching the Family Tree Explorer and opening the family tree into which this GEDCOM was imported.

For questions or problems, leave a message for Dallan or send an email to dallan@WeRelate.org.

--WeRelate agent 15:01, 20 June 2009 (EDT)

Henry Ewing ancestors.ged Ready for Review [22 June 2009]

Welcome to WeRelate! WeRelate is different from most family tree websites. By contributing to WeRelate you are helping to create Pando for genealogy, a free, unified family tree that combines the best information from all contributors.

Now that you have uploaded your GEDCOM, your next step is to preview what your pages will look like and combine (merge) people in your GEDCOM with matching people already on WeRelate. When you have finished your review, your GEDCOM will be imported. Click here to review your GEDCOM.

--WeRelate agent 23:51, 20 June 2009 (EDT)

WeRelate notification - Joyrose94 [22 June 2009]

Hello Loulehmann,

Welcome. This message you copied is a automatic WeRelate notification about a webpage that either you created, or are "watching" that another WeRelate User called Joyrose94 changed. It could be a source, an ancestor that you both share descendant from, etc. If you click on the link "view changes since your last visit" it will take you to the webpage that has been changed. You can either accept the change, leave a message on their User page to discuss this. Or add your extra changes too.

In this case this other User deleted a person page, maybe by mistake this User is a new User.

I will look at the page. I will e-mail you back soon.

Debbie Freeman --DFree 14:03, 22 June 2009 (EDT)

I looked at the webpage in question. You are both "Watching" my User DFree Talk page. You can go back to my Talk page, at the top of the webpage is a "unwatch". Just click on that and you will not be notified of any change on this webpage. Thanks Debbie Freeman --DFree 14:18, 22 June 2009 (EDT)

William Ewing Descendants Entire.ged Imported Successfully [22 June 2009]

The pages from your GEDCOM have been generated successfully. You may view them by launching the Family Tree Explorer and opening the family tree into which this GEDCOM was imported.

For questions or problems, leave a message for Dallan or send an email to dallan@WeRelate.org.

--WeRelate agent 19:57, 22 June 2009 (EDT)

Henry Ewing ancestors.ged Imported Successfully [22 June 2009]

The pages from your GEDCOM have been generated successfully. You may view them by launching the Family Tree Explorer and opening the family tree into which this GEDCOM was imported.

For questions or problems, leave a message for Dallan or send an email to dallan@WeRelate.org.

--WeRelate agent 19:59, 22 June 2009 (EDT)

Hi, I just cleared this gedcom for import. It looks to me like the family you said wasn't a match (John Hay and Janet Douglas?) does match the existing family page. Three potential matching families were presented side-by-side. Only the right-most family looked to me like a match. In this case you could check the "Match" checkbox above only the right-most family. I went ahead and imported the GEDCOM because I figured you might have had a good reason not to match these families. Tomorrow morning the two families will appear on your Show Duplicates list (on the My Relate menu). You might want to review and merge them then in case you just missed them.--Dallan 20:03, 22 June 2009 (EDT)

August Willis ancestors.ged Ready for Review [2 July 2009]

Welcome to WeRelate! WeRelate is different from most family tree websites. By contributing to WeRelate you are helping to create Pando for genealogy, a free, unified family tree that combines the best information from all contributors.

Now that you have uploaded your GEDCOM, your next step is to preview what your pages will look like and combine (merge) people in your GEDCOM with matching people already on WeRelate. When you have finished your review, your GEDCOM will be imported. Click here to review your GEDCOM.

--WeRelate agent 16:55, 2 July 2009 (EDT)

August Willis Ancestors2.ged Ready for Review [2 July 2009]

Welcome to WeRelate! WeRelate is different from most family tree websites. By contributing to WeRelate you are helping to create Pando for genealogy, a free, unified family tree that combines the best information from all contributors.

Now that you have uploaded your GEDCOM, your next step is to preview what your pages will look like and combine (merge) people in your GEDCOM with matching people already on WeRelate. When you have finished your review, your GEDCOM will be imported. Click here to review your GEDCOM.

--WeRelate agent 00:15, 3 July 2009 (EDT)

Welcome [5 July 2009]

Wow -- You've got a fair amount of cross-over to lines I've been watching, and you must have been doing a lot of merging on your current gedcom the last few days. It looks like you've got a lot of good sources and notes, and I'm glad to see your information being added.

One thing I want to ask that may reveal a bug in the system. This morning I got a notification that you had added information to a few pages, including Person:Thomas Bingham (6) and Person:Abraham Doolittle (1). I went in and made a few changes to remove places where your sources were duplicating what was already there, and to mix the narrative together on Thomas. A few hours later, I got a notification that you had added data from a gedcom on those pages, and the changes were the same as were done originally -- on top of the changes I had already made. So I'm wondering what it is that you saw and if you did anything this morning on those pages? Did the system prompt you to merge again? Did you see my changes and think yours hadn't taken? Either way we've got to fix either a bug or the way notifications are sent, because this kind of thing will happen all too often!

Also, a couple of things I've fixed a few times that will save all of us a lot of time later: 1) if there is a christening date, do not fill in the birth date as "bef ____" - the system picks up chr date if birthdate is blank, so we don't have to use that shortcut; 2) Make sure before you're done working on the Gedcom that you match your sources -- you've got a lot that are already in the system, and even though it's kind of a pain right now (and optional, I think), it will make things much, much easier later!

Thanks, and if you have any questions, let me know. --Amelia 19:58, 4 July 2009 (EDT)

Duplication happens, it's the nature of the place. I'm afraid I don't understand from your response though whether or what you did to the pages like Thomas Bingham and Abraham Doolittle yesterday morning -- whether you actually made the edits again, or whether the system screwed up, and whether it was because the system made it look like you hadn't done those merges yet, or some other reason.

As for how to treat data you have that's already on the page: if you agree with the date/info that's already there (on the right), leave it checked and uncheck yours. If you have the same source that's already there, uncheck your source as well. If your source is different but at least as good as what's there, leave them both/all checked. If one or the other is clearly superior (i.e. one is a vital record book, and the other is Ancestral File), keep only the better one (and please go ahead and delete sources like agasd.ftw or smith.ged when you find them). If you have a different date, and the sources don't tell you which one is better, leave them both and yours (as the second one) will be listed as "alt". If you sourced yours somewhere reliable, and the one that's there is from somewhere unreliable or is unsourced, feel free to uncheck what's there and leave yours checked, which will replace it with the more reliable data (if this makes you uncomfortable, or there's more to the story, then go back to the page after the merge and edit the notes to explain). --Amelia 23:50, 5 July 2009 (EDT)

Gedcom import [7 July 2009]

Hi, I am a volunteer admin. I am reviewing gedcom uploads. Would you please check Daniel Throop and Deborah Marcey match in your gedcom. They look like the same people. Please let me know if you disagree or merge them and import again. I will approve it tomorrow night. Thanks,--sq 22:01, 7 July 2009 (EDT)

Ralph Chapman [8 July 2009]

You have submitted data for Daniel Troop and cited Chapman genealogy : a genealogical memoir of the known descendants of Ralph Chapman and Lydia Wills of Duxbury, Massachusetts. If you have access to this source, why have you not submitted it for Ralph and Lydia, whose pages are unsourced? In fact Lydia's birth is shown to be in Plymouth in 1618 which is patently wrong and needs correction.--Scot 15:25, 8 July 2009 (EDT)

I did not imply that you did not use this source, I am saying it should be cited for Ralph and Lydia as well as for their descendants. Your notes are good information and need to be placed on the appropriate pages.--Scot 19:30, 8 July 2009 (EDT)

Leaving WeRelate [9 July 2009]

Hi Lou,

I don't blame you in the least but maybe you would consider coming back in a year or so. WeRelate is still in Beta and it is a Wiki, but the traditionalist in all of us seems to continue to make its apppearance. Another words although we all love the concept and idea of community pages when someone inadvertently messes up "my pages" users still overreact. All of the users who responded to you regarding your edits are really very nice and I am sure that you would be able to work very well with them.

The gedcom upload is very new. The old gedcom upload had virtually no requirements. However I did not realize that you had to merge all of the duplicate pages on a gedcom upload. On WeRelate we have a duplicate projects review and are working to merge all of the duplicate pages. We anticipate finishing the project by June 2010. It has been suggested by Amelia that the requirement of merging all of the duplicate pages should be changed to just merging with one of the duplicates and I agree.

If a family that someone is uploading matches with multiple families, the uploader needs to match the family with just one of the matching families. We shouldn't expect them to merge all of the existing duplicates. That's what the duplicate review project is for. In fact the system doesn't even allow you to merge with more than one existing family during GEDCOM import. I'm not sure where this "requirement of merging all of the duplicate pages" is coming from?--Dallan 12:06, 9 July 2009 (EDT)

I would love to have you as part of the WeRelate family, but totally understand if you decide to leave. Warmest regards. --Volunteer Administrator-Beth 20:16, 8 July 2009 (EDT)

Oh, I'm so sorry to read this! It's been a fairly painful road getting to the place where people who've done decent research are regularly showing up. Beth's right that things are in beta, although I don't think an upload of the kind you just did will ever get easier. By necessity, we have to have people merge their information when they upload (for this reason you might want to just leave your tree, and not try to delete it then do it again later -- it's a *lot* of wasted effort). Except for the duplicate data problems I asked about (which appear to be a function of the way the system is currently designed), you did a great job and the pages here are better for it. I hope you won't leave completely.--Amelia 00:25, 9 July 2009 (EDT)

I, too, am sorry to see Lou and his work leave WeRelate, and I hope we can encourage him (you, if you're still reading, Lou) to return. It does sound like a number of circumstances, including some probably unintended insensitivity by old-timers, led to his hasty departure.

I have a feeling that Lou may have been the first serious NEW contributor to upload an extensive GEDCOM to WeRelate since the new upload process was instigated, and that he may have stumbled across some nasty problem with the merge-upon-upload feature that made it look like Lou was responsible for the resulting "bad" data. If this is so, it should be a VERY strong priority to fix such a problem.

Second, this experience is making me realize that WeRelate ought to have a better way for identifying folks new to WeRelate-- and have some sort of "mentor" or "buddy" system where newcomers have a buddy to whom they can turn for help and support. I volunteer to be available for such a buddy system.

Third, I think we ALL need to practice better netiquette. It's so darn easy on the Internet to be quick and as a result, thoughtless and rude, without intending to be so. We need to stop and think before we type: what will the impact of my message be? What desired outcome do I have from this message, and how can I best convey that in a respectful, encouraging and acknowledging way?

No one should have to go through what Lou experienced-- he came here generous and willing to share his strong work, and much of the early feedback to him was not very welcoming. We've GOT to be better about this if we want to grow the audience for WeRelate. I'll admit, I was a bit stunned to see several email notifications of a new uploaded GEDCOM from Lou that crossed over into pages I'd been working on. That's ONLY going to increase (if WeRelate is to thrive), and we have to get used to it, and work with new folks in a more welcoming and gracious manner. We've been so focused on all the kaka GEDCOMs that were uploaded in the past, and here we finally get a decent contributor and what do we do? We lose him within a week or two!

So, Lou, if you're reading this, I hope you'll change your mind. I think you were the victim of circumstances that we did not quite plan for (as well as of some thoughtlessness on our part). PLEASE come back and work with us.

-- jillaine 14:18, 9 July 2009 (EDT)

Apology accepted [10 July 2009]

Lou, I accept your apology and offer my own for the sarcasm in my note about the birth date. I visited the "Lusty" page which also contains the anachronistic birth. it appears to be just a gedcom dump, it has not been updated since 2001. The only sources cited are the AF, although several are mentioned in passing.

Please share your notes and sources as that, after all is what WR is all about.--Scot 13:08, 10 July 2009 (EDT)

Emily A Jones /(Morey) French / Whight( [3 December 2013]

I am one of the Great grandchildren of Emily A Jones - I am trying to trace Emily after leaving the home of Elizabeth French on the Isle of Wight If you can help please contact me I would be most grateful--Tippoo2 00:19, 3 December 2013 (UTC)