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Welcome [10 April 2009]

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John Henry Elliott [17 April 2010]

Judy, I found the web site and I have registered. You have been working a very long time on your families. I will wander this web site. Two years ago I hit a brick wall looking for my Grandmother's father---that fell off the roof. Now I have his history. Many thanks, Let me know how I can help you! Patsy Diddy Graham Portland, Oregon--Pgraham37 00:43, 17 April 2010 (EDT)

descendants of Robert Fullenwider £ Carrie McLuen [2 March 2011]

hello! I really enjoy reading the McLuen genealogy you have compiled. I am not sure if you have the names of my generation as well as the next generation. I see that you have my father's and mother's name: Clayton Fullenwider & Ann Giorlando. Let me know if I can help provide names and birthrates for my family including my cousins and their spouses and children. my parents had two daughters Susan Carol 8/3/54 and Sally Ann 2/25/58. We both have two children.

Thanks, Sally Fullenwider Rae--Sallyrae 19:20, 1 March 2011 (EST)

Walker-Cowan unmerge [22 August 2011]

Hi Noticed you had merged the Mary Walker Andrew Cowan pages. There are two separate Andrew Cowan, one in SW VA, and one in Jefferson County. The one in SW VA married Mary Walker, daughter of John Walker III and Ann Houston. The one in Jefferson County TN is said to have married first a "Mary Walker", though there's no direct evidence for this. However, the Andrew Cowan in Jefferson County died sometime before 1800, while the one in Southwest VA continued on in the local court records, for sometime after 1800. Later on, a person we think is his wife, Mary, appears as a widow.

The lineages for the Cowan families is a fairly complex problem, and much careful spadework, by a number of people, has been expended to resolve problems like this. If you look at it superfiscially, its easy to jump to the wrong conclusion. Currently, we are not fully there on this particular problem. We believe that Andrew of Jefferson County is indeed related to Andrew of SW VA, but we don't know how. I, at least, also suspect that Andrew of Jefferson County did indeed mary a "Mary", just not "Mary Walker". Research on these lines is ongoing. Q 08:03, 22 August 2011 (EDT)

I went back to look at it. The problem is that Person:Andrew Cowan (4) and Person:Andrew Cowan (20) are BOTH married to Person:Mary Walker (211). That together with there being no information on Andrew (4), means they look like the same person to anyone who happens by. You will have to break off Mary (211) from one or the other. And Andrew (4) could use a little identifying information. --Judy (jlanoux) 19:30, 22 August 2011 (EDT)

[24 August 2011]

If Mary Brown died in 1725 and William was married to Rachel Youngs shortly thereafter, William and Mary's children don't make any sense in the larger picture.--Erayc 09:52, 24 August 2011 (EDT)

You are correct - it is obvious that this family needs some sources and other work. Please fix it if you can. --Judy (jlanoux) 09:59, 24 August 2011 (EDT)

Ann Harkrader [8 September 2011]

Clinton- Carroll County Indiana Biographies Author: C. Odell 1916

Referencing James D Long

James D was born to David and Anna (Harkrader) Long. Their 13 children are listed with spouses. The listing shows " Eliza, the wife of William McClune, also a resident of Iowa"

William & Eliza Long were my wife's gggrandparents. She is a McLuen. I'm unsure as to how to post the reference.

Ed--Erayc 01:45, 8 September 2011 (EDT)

Thank you for this. While I am not descended, I am very interested in the McLuen and Long family. William's second wife was Lydia Elliott, sister of my gg-grandmother and I have been tracing the Elliotts. I got side-tracked into the McLuens when trying to find info on William. The trees posted on Ancestry and Rootsweb were a shambles, and totally muddled the several McLuen families. I finally started the McLuen in America project page to get everybody sorted out and into the correct branch. It took most of two years and WilmaT helped a lot as she had a treasure trove of family information whereas I didn't know anyone in the family. Finding William's first wife took me months. So I have a special sentiment for Sarah Long and her family. Thanks for sharing your information.
I found the Odell bio online, I will add it as a source to the page as an example for you. Please add a citation as you go with whatever information you have it gives some clue to anyone interested. Someone else can always come along and help turn it into a more formal reference. If you have information because you know the family, please cite that. Many people do not realize that family memories are a most important source.
As you are working, please add the {{Template:McLuen in America Project}} to the pages of any McLuen descendants even if they have a different surname from a female line. You can look at Sarah Long's page to see how it is done. The template name in braces is pasted into the big box below any other text in there. If you add narrative to the text box, you can place it above the template.
I have really enjoyed seeing your pictures. Can you help with the one on Person:Anna McLuen (1)? I had permission from the person who posted it to the Perry Hometown site, but the description there seems to mix up Anna McLuen with Elizabeth Ann Broadlick and we aren't sure who is really in the picture. --Judy (jlanoux) 09:23, 8 September 2011 (EDT)

Mary Pillsbury [18 September 2011]

Before I restore Person:Mary Pillsbury (8) to her correct parents, I though I'd ask why you changed her, in case I am missing something. No sources to justify the change, and from what I find William Pillsbury, not Moses, married Dorothy Crosby, and he died before she was born. Was this just an inadvertent mixup or do you think it belongs this way? If so, could I beg you for sources? --Jrich 19:44, 18 September 2011 (EDT)

This family was totally tangled up for several generations from having sloppy gedcoms imported and hasty merges. Please fix whatever you can if you have documentation. I did the best I could with what info I could find. --Judy (jlanoux) 19:54, 18 September 2011 (EDT)
Let me present my perspective, because frankly, I find your response somewhat unresponsive, formulaic, and getting close to disingenuous.
  • I don't know why you had a problem with the page as it was. Still in the dark even after your response. Of course, I would love to know if I made a mistake. That is why I think WeRelate is so great. But I can't if you don't provide your sources or start a discussion on the Talk page.
  • The page may have been the result of a merge at one point, and I have no idea what other pages you may have been working with that may be messed up, but this page had been manually edited since any of that occurred, and had sources, which apparently weren't read by you? At least you didn't bother to refute the positions they presented. Some would think that would be only common courtesy? Certainly ruling out alternate theories is part of the Genealogical Proof Standard.
  • "what info I could find" was apparently bad information since it seems to have caused you to create a set of parents that never existed (I can only guess since you didn't share it). So, are you improving things by your actions or making them worse? Perhaps if you don't have time or interest to, for example, actually locate the marriage date of the parents, or otherwise look for good sources that confirm that what you are inputting is the truth, it would be better leave it as it is, rather than replace bad genealogy with different bad genealogy, or in this case, what I hope might be the best knowledge available with bad genealogy? --Jrich 22:26, 18 September 2011 (EDT)

I apologize if I upset you. Perhaps I needed to explain more fully. I am working on the duplicate list of people with multiple mothers or fathers. After working through dozens of these, I can't remember precisely each case. Anyone who is familiar with a family is better equipped to handle them than an admin who is dealing only with the problems. Now I have reviewed to refresh my memory I can explain a bit. There is a source on the page which states that the mother is not Priscilla. Also the date of the marriage to Priscilla is 7 years after the birth of Mary. When faced with a conflict, Priscilla did not seem like the appropriate choice. So again, if you have documentation and can straighten out the problem then, by all means do so. The problem I was working began with Moses and as I mentioned the Pillsbury family presented a difficult tangle. There were several problems. I did my best with the time I have available for admin work. Someone like you, who is researching the family is far better equipped to continue the work. I am not researching these families - only using the data available to resolve conflicts. --Judy (jlanoux) 22:49, 18 September 2011 (EDT)

I have no connection to the Pillsbury family, so I don't necessarily have any more knowledge than you. I work on pages that lack documentation because I believe that to be a turn-off to the type of researchers I want to attract to WeRelate. But I take the time to try and find citable evidence for things I input. In doing this, I added the documentation you were referring to. It never mentions Dorothy Crosby, so that is why I don't understand your edits. Perhaps Mary should be moved to the family page of Moses and Susanna. The problem is that all the evidence is speculative. The birth date is an estimate, and there is no record that says who her mother is. She was not married when her father wrote his will so who she married is a guess. The two different proposed marriages are both recorded with wives named "Mary Pillsbury" so she could be either one. The speculation that she belongs to Susanna could be wrong. The authoritative genealogy on Pillsbury is the Mary Lovering Holman one and that has her as the child of Priscilla. So I left her under Priscilla and added the note you referred to to present the controversy to the reader. It is waiting for someone to come along and provide the definitive evidence. --Jrich 23:18, 18 September 2011 (EDT)

bad merge [11 October 2011]

You just merged Person:Obadiah Wheeler (1), b. 1506 into Person:Obadiah Wheeler (3), b. 1609. I am sure he was showing up on some list but the problem was that #1 had the wrong parents should have been obvious from their birth and death dates and they should have been removed, not that they needed to be merged. Perhaps the methodology of whatever project you seem to be working on needs to be examined because you're certainly not always making things better. --Jrich 20:43, 11 October 2011 (EDT)

Robert Gilman/Edward Gilman [30 December 2011]

I am sure you are just trying to clear an item off a report, but if you aren't going to at least try and find some sources/proof before merging pages that are watched by lots of people and have already sources indicating that merging is incorrect, perhaps you should not be doing this job. The son Edward Gilman says "Edward Gilman was not a son of Family:Robert Gilman and Mary Unknown (1) as stated by Arthur Gilman. Deposition of Edward made in 1637 mentions that his father was named Edward. This is Robert's brother." Your merge made him a son of Robert. The father Edward had a source calling him ancestor of Abraham Lincoln. Your merge made him disappear. I am sure these pages are messed up. Merging pages like these without knowing what you are doing is worse than doing nothing. The correct answer is undoubtedly to go through and find sources that allow each child to be correctly placed into their correct family, not some mass merge without any apparent reading of the affected pages or reference to sources (at least I saw none added to justify the merge). --Jrich 22:02, 30 December 2011 (EST)

Stephen Gifford had two wives names Hannah [17 January 2012]

Hannah Gore and Hannah Gallup. As even a little searching on the Internet will tell you.

History of Hannah Gallop (1): 21:55, 2 August 2011 Jlanoux (Talk | contribs) (consolidate duplicates - merged with Person:Hannah Gore (6) - review/undo). --Jrich 18:11, 17 January 2012 (EST)

What time zone is UTC? (continued) [5 February 2012]

Sorry, but the original message and your answer did not show up on the page I was directed to.

Answer: It's funny that the term UTC received no publicity here in the UK. We still think of GMT and GDT. /cheers--goldenoldie 11:42, 5 February 2012 (EST)

You were on the Support page under the help menu. Hope I answered your question. --Judy (jlanoux) 11:47, 5 February 2012 (EST)

Featured Page [13 April 2012]

Hi Judy, just wanted you to know that I've added your Family Page: John Taylor and Gulaelma Elliott as this next week's WeRelate Featured Page. Nice work! Also, have a great weekend:)

Best regards,

Jim:)--Delijim 13:52, 13 April 2012 (EDT)

Census Transcriptions in 1-4 Person:Robert Madison (9) [8 May 2012]

Dear JLanoux, I am trying to get my census transcriptions to look like yours in this e.g. Did you use a template in the text/transcription field in the SOURCE section of editing ??

Thanks . Harriet M . --HFR100HFR100--HFR100 19:29, 7 May 2012 (EDT)

Yes, How did you do those census records?? Sort of looks like they might be embedded images, but when I tried to view the edit page to see how it was done, all I got was a blank page when I clicked 'edit'. It's a beautiful page that reflects a lot of research! --Janiejac 07:28, 8 May 2012 (EDT)
It looks like it was just a lot of hard, caring work, but done in a source citation box where line breaks are honored, then the data is wrapped in <code></code> tags so that all characters have the same width (including spaces) to make it is easier to get columns to line up. --Jrich 09:12, 8 May 2012 (EDT)

Executed beautifully for a wiki , no doubt ! Thanks for pointing out the coding tags .

Harriet M. --HFR100HFR100

Thank you for your comments.

Re images for inventory... Look at the page in edit view. Note that the images are loaded and connected to the Person page in the usual way. To control the display and associate thumbnails with the Source, look at S7 and note than the image numbers are entered in the Images box. Use the image numbers from the Image section of the page. When you use the Image box for a Source citation, the images do not appear in the narrative box, but instead display as thumbnails attached to the source. You can hover over them to see bigger, or double click on the thumbnail to display the image.
Note that putting a lot of document images on a Person page affects load time. It is best to put them on the MySource page with the transcript. I did this one source this way to demonstrate how to someone and just never changed it back. Also the "transcript" in the MySource text boxes are redundant, but I was working with a person not computer literate and wouldn't know to click on the MySource link to see them.
Re Census listings... Yes, I have been doing my census transcripts with the "code" tag to control how they display. When doing this, one must be careful not to make the lines too wide or they will overwrite the Family box on the right. It also won't display when someone uses a narrow window.

Note that using the "code" tags changes the font. I like this effect as it sets off the transcript visually on the page. --Judy (jlanoux) 13:46, 8 May 2012 (EDT)

Featured Page [14 May 2012]

Hi, your User Page was the featured page back on June 1, 2009. I'm updating all the old Featured Pages with the new template. Many had an old template, some had an image and text, and some had no acknowledgment at all. Feel free to add the template to your page text: {{Featured Page|June 1, 2009}}.--Parsa 18:12, 14 May 2012 (EDT)

Radegonde Lambert [27 June 2012]

Hi Judy,

I'm interested in your scholarship on the parents of Radegonde Lambert, .

You referred to Jean Lambert and his unknown wife as "bogus parents" (19 Jun 2011). Do you have evidence disproving that Jean Lambert was the father of Radegonde? In reading some of the secondary sources my impression is that there is some circumstantial evidence that Jean Lambert may have had a Metis family in the right time and place to include Radegonde. Add to that the fluctuating interpretation of the X haplotype, the general impression I have is one of uncertainty.

Even if your understanding of the historical setting of Radegonde and Jean Lambert, and of mtDNA haplotype interpretation, exceed mine, which are likely, it is still unclear why assignment of Jean as the (most likely) father of Radegonde is "bogus" rather than "disproven". Has there been deceptive or contemptuously bad scholarship of this issue? As a descendent of Radegonde, I'm interested. Jean Lambert seems to be an interesting fellow, and I'd like to know if I might be his descendant, or if this is in fact disproven, to understand the logic of the disproof.

By the way, we may be both Dutch and Acadian cousins. As well as several lines of early Acadians, I'm descended from Simon van Arsdalen, who may have been the immigrant ancestor of your van Arsdale line. My genealogy of this line ( ends before yours begins, unfortunately.




btw I'd be happy to continue this discussion privately. You do not seem to have an email address or other private means of communication available through, so I conclude that you want only public communication about your work there.--Ggpauly 11:27, 27 June 2012 (EDT)

I've checked my settings and email is enabled. Perhaps there was a temporary problem. But there's no need for private discussions.
For the Acadians, the real authority is the University of Moncton Center for Acadian Studies. The main publication is Source:White, Stephen A. Dictionnaire Généalogique des Familles Acadiennes along with the corrections and additions published here. I defer to them. There has been quite a bit of speculation picked up and copied endlessly on the internet as fact and much of it makes its way here.

I'm unable to type without great pain, so I won't be doing any more editing. Regards, --Judy (jlanoux) 21:12, 1 July 2012 (EDT)

Ezekiel Taylor [22 August 2012]

I am a great-great-great granddaughter of Ezekiel Taylor.

I am new to We Relate, so I don't know how to add information, but here some of the information that I have collected on Ezekiel Taylor's family:

Married Alcey Martin on 14 Oct 1824.


Henry Abby Taylor, b. Woodford Co., KY in 1825; d. Denton Co., TX in 1891 ; buried Chinns Chapel Cemetery, Copper Canyon, Denton County, TX/ Willis Martin Taylor, b. Woodford Co., KY in 1827; d. Grayson Co., TX in 1889; buried in Morris Cemetery in SE Grayson Co., TX / Letitia Elizabeth Taylor, b. Woodford Co., KY in 1829; d. probably in Grayson Co., TX in about 1871-1872 / Benjamin Taylor, b. Woodford Co., KY in 1831; d. 1853 unsure of place, likely is Woodford Co., KY but could be Indiana

About 20 years after Ezekiel's death, the Letitia and her husband Septimus (aka S F R) Thompson leave Kentucky. Appears that they were in Indiana for a short while and then moved to Grayson Co., TX. In 1860, Alcey, Henry, Willis, and Letitia are all living in Grayson Co., TX (per census records). Henry is married to Nancy Spearman and has three children; also, mother Alcey (Ailsey) is living with them. Willis is married to Malinda May Spearman and has one child.--Dana Thompson 16:25, 29 June 2012 (EDT)

Thank you for sharing your information. I've been studying the Taylor family for over 20 years and it's always nice to add to the descendants. I encourage you to use this family to practice editing pages. Simply click on the Edit link on the right of the page. I will see the changes and can help if you get stuck. The best way to learn is to just dive in. Regards, --Judy (jlanoux) 21:12, 1 July 2012 (EDT)

Ezekiel Taylor family [26 August 2012]


I finally got back on WeRelate and have added information for Ezekiel Taylor's family. I will attempt to get Ezekiel's children's spouses entered on another day. As this is my first attempt to add pages, I am not quite sure that I connected his spouse Alcey Martin and his children Henry, Willis, Letitia, and Benjamin correctly. Please let me know if you have any suggestions for improving my process.

I read your biography in WeRelate commenting about research on the Taylor family. They are pretty challenging! I have been thinking about possible angles to get further back from John and Rosanna. Do you know if Rosanna was John's first and only wife? Have you done any Census Mate tracking? If not, let me know, as I have the 1810, 1820, 1830, and 1840 Woodford County, KY censuses profiled in a Census Mate worksheet for all the Taylors and Taylers. I did not do 1790 and 1800 because they are reconstructed from Tax Lists and seem less useful.

I have looked at Robert Taylor as a possible relative. Though there are John Taylors in this line, none of them seem to connect. Here is the source that I perused...

Have you heard of the book From Log Cabins to the White House...A History of the Taylor Family by Mary Taylor Brewer? Perhaps it would give us some clues about possible relationships our Taylor family has within President Zachary Taylor's family. President Taylor was also related to other U. S. presidents, so that would open up further discovery if we do find that there is a connection.

If you want to contact me directly, here is my email:

Dana Thompson 20:13, 21 August 2012 (EDT)

I found your new pages for wife and children (good job!) and I've attached them to Ezekiel with a Family page. For future reference, I find it easiest to first create a page for one of the parents, then use the Add Spouse Family link to create the Family page, then use the links on the Family page to create the pages for other spouse and children. The Family page is what creates parent-child relationships.
About 10 years ago, we made a number of research trips to KY and pretty much looked at everything and everyone in Woodford and Anderson. I don't have it all typed because typing is painful for me. I'll look for my notes next week if I get a chance - this is hurricane prep week.
There are two Taylor families in Woodford: Zachary's parents et als, and the Rev John Taylor and some of his relatives. I have been able to place every other Taylor in the court records in one of these two families. I seems very likely that our John belongs to one of them. I'm inclined to rule out Zachary's family because they lived further north in the county and also because the President's family is pretty well documented. Rev John Taylor, however, is very likely as a relative because he lived next door to William Powell on Clear Creek! He had relatives from Va. in and out and is very sloppy about mentioning their names. His brag book "Ten Churches" is the best starter source and gives us what little we know about William Powell also. I think I've run down all the sources from this modern annotated edition:Source:Taylor, John. Baptists on the American Frontier (1995). I've seen it in several libraries so you may be able to find it. I had extensive databases on both families to help keep them sorted out, but they were lost along the way as we migrated computers.[sigh]

--Judy (jlanoux) 14:02, 26 August 2012 (EDT)

Henry Abey Taylor & Willis Martin Taylor [28 August 2012]


Thanks for the pointers on adding spouses and children. I think I did fine adding spouses and children for Ezekiel Taylor's daughter Letitia. However, when I was adding the spouses for Henry and Willis, I ended up with some duplicates. It appears that I have two Henry Abey Taylors, but got his wife Nancy Spearman in there once. For Willis Martin Taylor and his wife Malinda May Spearman, I have multiple entries too. I couldn't find a way to remove or delete to fix it, so perhaps merge is what I need to do. Please give me some pointers.

About the book you mentioned. It is not available at my local library, but I did find a listing on for Baptists on the American Frontier by Raymond John Taylor, et al (1996). Is this the correct book?

--Dana Thompson 17:22, 28 August 2012 (EDT)

Yes, merge is the appropriate way to handle duplicate pages. It is preferred to deleting them. Most beginners will have a few duplicates.
the Young edition of Baptists on the American Frontier is the version you want if you are interested in seeing the book. Mr. Young added extensive analysis, genealogical information and footnotes. The text by Rev John is not very readable - he rambles. There's a transcription of the original available here: 1828 original version It is interesting to see what reading matter was available to our ancestors.
The wind and rain are picking up so we'll probably be off line without power for the next week. If you are stuck, beginner questions are welcome at the Support page listed on the Help menu above. Someone usually answers promptly.

Nomerge on Family:Lawrence De Butts and Elizabeth Kenner (1) [17 November 2012]

Hello - can you tell me why you placed a nomerge template on Family:Lawrence De Butts and Elizabeth Kenner (1)? I am pretty certain that it should be merged with Family:Lawrence De Butts and Elizabeth Kenner (2). Thank you. --Cos1776 16:25, 16 November 2012 (EST)

It's too long ago for me to remember now. I believe there may have been a problem with bad information at the time. However, I agree with your assessment that they should be merged. Thanks --Judy (jlanoux) 12:36, 17 November 2012 (EST)

Strother Descendants page [17 June 2016]

I just found your page: Strother Family Descendants (disambiguation) and wanted to tell you 'I love it!' It inspires me to try to do a similar page for my Samuel Jackson line! --janiejac 03:55, 9 June 2016 (UTC)

Janie: Thanks for the kind words. A little encouragement goes a long way when I undertake one of these projects. I think family genealogies are the most worthwhile projects and WeRelate (with its magic linking ability) is the ideal tool. I do this with families having numerous descendants named for the immigrant. The internet is so full of muddled trees because of this! I'm hoping to add enough bio info to be able to sort out the Strothers correctly. ood luck with your Jackson project. I'm glad to hear you are still at it. I would appreciate it if you can keep an eye out for info on my family ancestor Person:Ann Jackson (29) daughter of John Jackson and Ann his wife. There seem to be so many John Jacksons. --Judy (jlanoux) 14:24, 9 June 2016 (UTC)

Judy, I checked out your Person:John Jackson (282) and daughter Person:Ann Jackson (29); also the Person:William Brocas (1) page. At this point, I don't know anything about these folks, but I will watch their pages. If I learn anything, I'll let you know. Would you have any objections to me putting a brick wall icon on John's page? That's what I've been doing to any 'earliest known' Jackson that I've posted. And I keep a list of such early folks here: Earliest Known Jackson Ancestors. They also show up in the Category:Jackson Brick Walls. --janiejac 21:54, 9 June 2016 (UTC)

I appreciate your offer. Please add the brick wall and categories. I've got your Strother info and will update the page next week after the family heads home. --Judy (jlanoux) 12:30, 17 June 2016 (UTC)