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Welcome [13 October 2013]

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Thank you so much, Gaye--I appreciate your finds and letting me know about them. Theodore Havert's first wife was Catherine Joly, Marie's older sister. Our family tradition was that she died on board the ship in childbirth and the baby died very soon after, but I've been unable to find any record of her death. I did find the immigration records and Theodore Havert is listed as arriving on 7 Jun 1847 in NY on the Adonnis, the same boat as the Joly family, including Marie. Thanks for your help in filling in the missing Havert children. --Mary Jean--Jaynes931 17:23, 13 October 2013 (UTC)

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I apologize for the delay in getting this fixed. Hopefully I'll be able to fix it by tonight or tomorrow morning. :) -Nathan 11:13, 9 October 2007 (EDT)

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Ebenezer Drake & Anne Dunn [30 August 2008]


I just became aware of this site - and went to check on some of my common research names. Bingo!

Say, I have done extensive research on Ebenezer Drake & Anne Dunn.

If you are interested in updated information - and the exchange of data, please contact me.

I am Daniel DUCKY Drake, from Ventura, CA.

I am a direct descendant of Ebenezer & Anne;

Capt. Francis Drake Rev. John Drake Joseph Drake & Annah/Hannah Blackford Drake Ebenezer Drake (born Jan 1704) & Anne Dunn (granddaughter of Elizabeth Dunn- daughter of Capt. Francis Drake & sister of Rev. John Drake. Ebenezer Drake & Margaret Hance James Drake (born 1765) Ebenezer Drake (BORN 1788) & Prudence Sutton William Sutton Drake (born 1818) William Perry Drake (born 1845) Charles Clifford Drake (born 1871) Daniel Chester "CHET" Drake (born 1910) Norris Gage Drake (born 1934: my father) myself: Daniel Francis Perry Drake (born 1960)--Duckydrake 15:07, 30 August 2008 (EDT)

Duplicate review [20 October 2008]

Hi Gayle,

Thought that you might be interested to know that Dallan has created a duplicate page report. The link is [1]. Perhaps you would like to merge your own pages. One of your pages that has a duplicate page is Samuel Allen and Sarah Rust. There may be additional pages. --Beth 07:51, 20 October 2008 (EDT)WeRelate Administrator

Thanks, Beth. It's going to take a long time to go through this, as I have a lot of pages, many of which are not very close to my direct line -- like Samuel Allen and Sarah Rust.

Gayel--GayelKnott 13:00, 20 October 2008 (EDT)

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Your gedcom [17 July 2009]

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Thanks for the tip [25 October 2009]

Hi Gayel, thanks for letting me know about this site. I signed up yesterday, now if I can figure it out? I'll have to spend a lot of time watching the tutorials. Glen--Gwill65074 08:49, 25 October 2009 (EDT)

[28 October 2009]

Thanks Gayel for mentioning this site. It's a little confusing, but I think it will work. Very interesting site. Connie--Flowermama7 20:25, 27 October 2009 (EDT)

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Glen is starting over [29 November 2009]

Hi Gayel, I tried making changes to my tree and all it did was make things worse. So, I deleted the whole thing and I'll start over. I started putting in new information starting with my father, George Ernest Williams, and I'll go from there. Glen--Gwill65074 20:34, 28 November 2009 (EST)

Hi! [22 April 2010]

Hi Gail

I came across your user page while exploring. Looks like we share some common ideas about documentation and the importance of sourcing. Q 18:38, 22 April 2010 (EDT)

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Avaline/John Goodwin [11 May 2010]

Hello GayelKnott,

I have been working on tracing my Goodwin line for a few months now, and stumbled upon this site.

I do have a few questions, are you related to these people in the Title? Am I free to use this information and post it to other trees on other sites? (

Also, if you are related, have you discovered any photographs of John/Avaline Goodwin?

Thank you for your time, Brian--Mudshovelr 02:51, 10 May 2010 (EDT)

Hi, Brian. First, I have to say I think this is a great site, because things like this can happen. And no, I'm not really related to the Goodwins. They are what I call "in-laws of in-laws", as Evaline/Avaline?'s father was a brother to one of my 3xggrandmothers. And finally, one of the other things about WeRelate is that by putting the information up, I'm basically agreeing that you can copy and use it for your own uses (citing your source, of course).
I don't know how much you have on your Goodwin line, but I assume you do know that they go back to Clark County, Indiana. There is a lot of information on Goodwins in some of the records there (films available through the Family History Library), including in the early County Court records (which are very time consuming and tedious to read, but since the Goodwins were quite active in civic affairs, may be worth while). From there they probably go back to early Jefferson County, Kentucky.
In the meantime, if this is your family, why not add some of their kids?--GayelKnott 12:55, 10 May 2010 (EDT)

I'm related to Everline's Father and so are you, doesn't that make us related? Somehow?

My dead end was John C Goodwin and his wife Everline. The records and census' get worse the farther back you get, obviously. And I am in California, so it's not easy to just drive over to look at film, trust me if it was closer I'd be there everyday.

When I have some time this weekend, and I figure it out, I'll try to add what I know. There is a person related to a son of John and Everline that I shared this site with, she will be on here and making contributions soon, I predict.

Once again, sorry for asking. Are there any pictures of these Goodwins?

Thank you for sharing what you know! It's been a great help!

Brian--Mudshovelr 01:09, 11 May 2010 (EDT)

Okay, I'll bite, my 3xggrandmother was Nancy Johnson, who married Joseph Reese. And a big break through for me was a trip to Indiana last summer, and a visit to the Johnson County Historical Society, where I found a lot of the information on Bailey Johnson and his children. The librarian there can be helpful at answering short, specific questions by email, as well.
Unfortunately, I don't have any pictures. And good to hear that someone else will be adding to the family information.--GayelKnott 01:53, 11 May 2010 (EDT)

Everlina Johnson and John C. Goodwin [14 May 2010]

Everlina and John C. Goodwin are the parents of my Great Grandfather: John Warren Goodwin.

I have quite a bit of information on the latest Goodwins. If you would like me to invite you to my tree on, please send your email address to

My younger brother has joined the World Net Goodwin DNA project through Family Tree; and, the DNA processing should be completed some time in June. I've gotten stuck on John C. Goodwin in Clark County, IN; and, I am hoping that this will help us to trace him to Kentucky or Pennsylvania.--Kathleen4500 14:36, 13 May 2010 (EDT)

Hi, Kathleen. Thanks for the invite. I do have a subscription to Ancestry, and had a quick look at Evelina and John Goodwin, and see you have more info than I do. I know it's hard to juggle keeping info on more than one site, but hope you would be willing to add some to the Goodwins here. I like WeRelate because of the way you can add sources and notes, but that's my choice.
I haven't kept track of the Goodwins when going through Clark County records (which I'm just finishing up), but they do seem to show up a lot. There is a Family History Center near me, so I do a lot of my research there, ordering in films. Probate and land records might help sort your Goodwins out, especially since the Goodwins were fairly prominent in the county. Did a quick check of the 1820 Census for Clark County, on Ancestry, and see Willis, Amos, John and William Goodwin. I suspect, from some of what I've seen, that William is the father, the other three are probably sons, and your John might be the son of one of them.
Since Amos is a less common name, and I know he married Amelia Dunn (alas, not the same family as my Dunns), I did a google search for "Amos Goodwin" AND Dunn, and found a reference to an article that you might be able to get through inter-library loan at your local library. It's "The Goodwins of Clark County, Indiana", The William & Mary Quarterly, Vol 8, No 2, Supplement (Oct 1899), pp. 119-135 ( - but you can only see one page). Might be something helpful there.
Good luck with the DNA project -- be curious to know if it works.--GayelKnott 23:41, 13 May 2010 (EDT)

George Washington Jones [22 May 2010]


Trying to verify some info...Did George W Jones have a child, Neva Elisa Jones? If yes, did she marry George Henry Knott around 1909? Lastly, did they have children, Henry, Gordon, and Norman?--Metro09 12:46, 22 May 2010 (EDT)

Wait...never mind, I am looking at another page and see it. Sorry.

Probably you already have the answers - yes, Neva Elisa Jones was (youngest) dau. of George W. Jones and Eliza Liscom. Neva married George H. Knott, their children were Henry, Gordon, Norman.--GayelKnott 19:43, 22 May 2010 (EDT)

Source:Massachusetts, United States. Early Vital Records of Massachusetts from 1600 to 1850 [3 June 2010]

Hello Gayel, I believe the source you created, Source:Massachusetts, United States. Early Vital Records of Massachusetts from 1600 to 1850, already exists here on WeRelate. We have the main Source:Massachusetts, United States. Vital Records to 1850 as well as source pages for the individual town books, like Source:Great Barrington, Berkshire, Massachusetts, United States. Vital Records of Great Barrington, Massachusetts to the Year 1850.

Let me know if your source is indeed a duplicate, and I will merge it with the existing main source. Thank you, --Jennifer (JBS66) 15:21, 1 June 2010 (EDT)

Thanks, Jennifer. I get frustrated when I can't find the source I'm looking for (under variations on the name, place, etc.), so added this. I usually call it "Early Vital Records to 1850" (as title), but all I got from searching for that was a county by county listing, some (but not all) of which also reference the website. I got the same thing just now by going to the Search Page and asking specifically for "Vital Records to 1850" (title) and "Massachusetts, United States" (place), with "Free website" for availability. The results, again, were page after page of towns/counties. Is this a problem that can be fixed?
I also tried putting both "Early Vital Records" and "Massachusetts, United States. Early Vital Records" into the source box on the person page, and didn't see what I was looking for in the pop-up menu.--GayelKnott 15:44, 1 June 2010 (EDT)
I know your frustration is shared by other users when they are searching for census sources. I believe Dallan has plans to change how the search function works, but this may be something you'd want to address on his to-do list or the support page.
The Source:Massachusetts, United States. Vital Records to 1850 page does not have the word Early in the title, so searching for "Massachusetts, United States. Early Vital Records" in the drop-down box will not yield results. Searching for ""Massachusetts, United States. Vital Records" will work.
Since this is a duplicate source, I will need to redirect it to the existing Source:Massachusetts, United States. Vital Records to 1850 page. I can leave the redirect there, instead of deleting it, and you will be able to find Massachusetts, United States. Early Vital... in the drop-down. --Jennifer (JBS66) 12:48, 2 June 2010 (EDT)

Thanks, Jennifer. I thought I had looked for Massachusetts, United States. Vital Records", but perhaps I just missed it. As for the Census, I've just given up and reference the Ancestry records, no matter what I've actually used.--GayelKnott 15:17, 3 June 2010 (EDT)

Featured Page - Week of June 7th [7 June 2010]

Hi Gayel, just thought I'd let you know that your ancestor, James Snow has been selected as this week's Featured Page on WeRelate! Great Job, keep it up!

Best regards,

Jim Volunteer Adminstrator at WeRelate--Delijim 13:24, 7 June 2010 (EDT)

Thank you. I'm a little overwhelmed, especially since I wrote the first version of that feeling very cranky.--GayelKnott 14:32, 7 June 2010 (EDT)

Henry Knott and Tena Beiboer [6 August 2010]

--Smidtman 15:28, 2 August 2010 (EDT)


I discovered that one of your ancestors, Hendrik Mennes, is also the ancestor of my distant relatives, some of my mothers family members migrated to Grand Rapids, Michigan in the early 1900, one of them, Tena Beiboer, married Henry Knott. I know there were 6 children (listed below). Can you help mewith finding living descendants of this family?

dear regards (from the Netherlands)

Henk Smidtman

Henry (Hinderikus) Knott is geboren op 26-01-1893 in Bedum, Groningen, zoon van Anjes (Andrew) Knot en Egberdina van der Tuuk. Hinderikus is overleden op 04-12-1975 in Jenison, Michigan, USA, 82 jaar oud. Hinderikus trouwde, 23 jaar oud, op 11-05-1916 in Grand Rapids, Kent County, Michigan, USA met Jetje of Fetje (Tena) Beiboer, 25 jaar oud. Tena is geboren op 31-03-1891 in Grand Rapids, Kent County, Michigan, USA, dochter van Sytze (Samuel) Beiboer en Johanna Margarietha Sevinga. Tena is overleden op 10-07-1957 in Grand Rapids, Kent County, Michigan, USA, 66 jaar oud. Kinderen van Hinderikus en Tena: 1 Arthur Knott, geboren op 23-05-1917 in Grand Rapids, Kent County, Michigan, USA. Arthur is overleden op 20-09-1984 in Grand Rapids, Kent County, Michigan, USA, 67 jaar oud. Arthur trouwde met Irene Walma. Irene is geboren omstreeks 1920 in U.S.A.. Irene is overleden. 2 Cecil Knott, geboren op 26-10-1918 in Grand Rapids, Kent County, Michigan, USA. Cecil is overleden op 12-11-1993 in Grand Rapids, Kent County, Michigan, USA, 75 jaar oud. Cecil trouwde met Miriam Bouma. Miriam is geboren op 01-02-1921 in unknown. Miriam is overleden op 09-10-1994 in Grand Rapids, Kent County, Michigan, USA, 73 jaar oud. 3 Berdena Knott, geboren op 08-02-1920 in Grand Rapids, Kent County, Michigan, USA. Berdena is overleden op 14-09-1995 in Hudsonville, Ottawa County, Michigan, USA, 75 jaar oud. Berdena trouwde met Peter vanden Engel. Peter is geboren omstreeks 1920 in unknown. Peter is overleden op 21-09-2008 in Jenison, Michigan, USA, ongeveer 88 jaar oud. 4 Marvin? Knott, geboren op 26-06-1921 in Grand Rapids, Kent County, Michigan, USA. Marvin is overleden in 1972 in Grand Rapids, Kent County, Michigan, USA, 50 of 51 jaar oud. Marvin trouwde met Marjory England. Marjory is geboren omstreeks 1920 in unknown. 5 Henry jr. Knott, geboren op 17-02-1923 in Grand Rapids, Kent County, Michigan, USA. Henry is overleden op 09-05-1995 in Grand Rapids, Kent County, Michigan, USA, 72 jaar oud. Henry trouwde met Evelyn DeVree. Evelyn is geboren omstreeks 1923 in unknown. 6 Peter Knott, geboren in 1925 in Grand Rapids, Kent County, Michigan, USA. Peter is overleden omstreeks 2006 in Hudsonville, Ottawa County, Michigan, USA, ongeveer 81 jaar oud. Peter trouwde, 22 of 23 jaar oud, op 08-10-1948 met Alice Lanting, ongeveer 23 jaar oud. Alice is geboren omstreeks 1925 in unknown. 7 James Knott, geboren in 1926 in Grand Rapids, Kent County, Michigan, USA. James is overleden op 23-11-2000 in Grand Rapids, Kent County, Michigan, USA, 73 of 74 jaar oud. James trouwde met Geraldine Pastoor. Geraldine is geboren omstreeks 1926 in unknown.

Hi, Henk,
I'm afraid I don't know any of the Knots who emigrated to Michigan. My great-grandfather Hendrik Knot and great-great-grandfather Tjeert Knot emigrated to Chicago, Illinois. From there, most of the family moved to Minnesota, and then my grandfather George Knott moved to Washington state, where I grew up. Now I live in Canada, a long distance away from Michigan. But I am not surprised that the Knotts in Michigan who came from The Netherlands are distant relatives.
You seem to have a lot of good information already about the family. If you have obituaries for for the people who died recently, they might name other, living, members of the family.
I did try a search of online records. Most require that you pay money, but the following White Pages listed a number of Knott families in Grand Rapids, Michigan, with their addresses. You could try writing to them. Someone might reply, you never know. (Or look for other last names in Grand Rapids or Jenison.)
The other possibility would be to contact the Reform Churches in Grand Rapids and Jenison and ask if there are any descendants of your ancestors who are members. One of the churches is The 7th Reformed Church in Grand Rapids. There is also The First Jenison Christian Reformed Church in Jenison. Many of the Dutch immigrants in the United States remained more conservative than people in The Netherlands, and the church was often the center of the community, so there might be people in one of these churches who know your relatives.
Hope this helps, and good luck with putting your family information up on WeRelate. I would love to see the connection to Hendrik Mennes.
Gayel--GayelKnott 16:54, 3 August 2010 (EDT)
Henk, I saw your post here. I was able to find 3 little bits of information:
  2. Henry, Tina, Arthur, and Cecil in the 1920 census in Grand Rapids. John Beiboer is also living with them. Let me know if you would like me to email you a copy
  3. 1930 census (index only)*,z*&qt=i&zdocid=139797499_2
--Jennifer (JBS66) 18:17, 3 August 2010 (EDT)
There is also the Ellis Island passenger record for the family of Hendrikus Knot (date of arrival May 13, 1913)
Knot, Anjes M 53y; Knot, Egberdina F 52y; Knot, Jantje F 28y; Knot, Aafke F 26y; Knot, Gerardina F 23y; Knot, Hendrikus M 20y; Knot, Jan M 14y
Let me know if you would like instructions on viewing a copy of this. --Jennifer (JBS66) 06:34, 4 August 2010 (EDT)

Hi Gayel,

thank you for your quick response. I just recently started researching the Knott family, because (and this is really true) one of my former collegues (I never knew her maiden-name (=Knot)) We discovered that her great grandfather was a cousin of the Henry Knott in my tree. Because I'm a curious person I will make a Knott family-tree or gather all information necessary. I will make a gedcom of the information I found so far and download in on werelate, so you cab see what I found so far. Because I promised myself not to work on familytrees during summertime and I just found a new job it will take some time to complete this Knot-tree. In the mean time I found some Knott's in Michigan on facebook (modern times ;-))and I mail them and I will study the tips you wrote. I know there is a active "dutch" community in Grand Rapids, but I also "hit a few brick walls during earlier searches.

Anyway I'll keep in touch!!

greetings from Groningen

Henk--Smidtman 15:01, 5 August 2010 (EDT)

Hi, Henk,
How wise you are, not to work on family trees during the summer! When you get the time is fine. And good luck with Facebook. I think it might work.--GayelKnott 18:43, 6 August 2010 (EDT)

Knot [10 October 2010]

Hi Gayel,

I saw the changes you made and I've been thinking (sometimes on a Sundaymorning, I have time to do so...) about the name knot

As you might know is Rottum, the place were the first Knot's lived is a An artificial dwelling hill made by humans (wierde or terp). and when you see the flat landscape it is just a lump or small hill.

The word knot is in dutch used for some kind of lump, namely a "knot wol" a "lump" wool (I don't know if I use the word lump right), also knot is a German word meaning uprising rock. As you might know in Groningen we have several German influences during all ages.

It is just a day dream, but what do you think of it?

Henk--henk 04:30, 10 October 2010 (EDT)

Hi, Henk,
It's possible. Apparently, in Lancashire, England, Knott also means a mountain or high hill, from the Viking influence. If I had a few more lives to live, I might actually be able to do more research, but now it's just a lot of different possibilities.

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Person - Kinder Ferguson (1) [30 October 2010]

Hello GayelKnott, I noticed that you and User Delijim are connected to this Person Page and his parents. I located on the web a New York Times obit for him dated on 17 Aug 1879. Copyright is of course The New York Time. On WeRelate Person page his place of death is Scott Co., VA, not Scott, Co., IN. Further on the page it does say Scott Co., IN. Would you mind if I updated the place of death as Scott Co., IN, and not VA? I would add the source, and an abstract of the obit. I also sent this message to Delijim as well. The obit says he died at his daughter Mrs. Gobins in Scott Co., IN.

I am interested in researching the wife Robbins. Trying to see if or what connection that the Ferguson family has with the Robbins family and or Roberts family's.

There is a possible connection with my David Ashley Robbins of Oldham Co., KY. I am trying to research a Richard Ferguson (of Johnson Co., IN) who might be Kinder Ferguson & Mary Ann Robbins son. On the same day (8/20/1838) they received land in Johnson Co., IN Thank You, Debbie Freeman --DFree 20:43, 29 October 2010 (EDT)

Hi, Debbie,
Please, feel free to add whatever you have. I am totally serious about saying that if you have sources, put them up. I really did have to think about this business of our all putting our information for an ancestor on the same page, and finally did realize that it has to be about sources. The more the better.
I had a look at Kinder Ferguson -- he looks okay, but I see my connection is through his sister and it looks like her death place needed to be corrected. (Done) But again, if you have better information, please add it.
I don't think I can help with your search for the Robbins connection. My connection to the Fergusons is extremely tenuous -- through the Storms, and from the Storms (Peter Storm) back to the Johnsons (Margaret Johnson). My sources for the Fergusons, what few I have, are all secondary. Probably the best is from WorldConnect, the Welder Database. I do know that there seems to be a strong connection between Clark County, IN and Johnson County, IN, and at least some families seem to have moved back and forth. If you haven't already, you might try contacting the Johnson County Museum of History to see what they have.
Good luck.--GayelKnott 23:38, 29 October 2010 (EDT)

This Week's Featured Page [12 January 2011]

Hi Gayel, well we are featuring another person page of yours this week:

John Reese

Keep up the good work and best regards!

Jim - Co-Administrator at WeRelate--Delijim 11:56, 11 January 2011 (EST)

Thanks.--GayelKnott 21:44, 11 January 2011 (EST)

Prince Snow [14 February 2011]

Gayle, I've revised the Person Page for the father of Unknown Snow and Unknown. You had several unsupported characters "???" in the name field, so I moved your "Possibly Prince Snow???" to the narrative section of that page and changed to name field to "Unknown", which is more in-line with the naming conventions.

Just wanted you to know why the change was made.

Best regards,

Jim.--Delijim 10:52, 12 February 2011 (EST)

No problem. Should probably have caught it myself a while ago.--GayelKnott 22:15, 13 February 2011 (EST)

WeRelate participation [18 March 2011]

You mentioned that you had little success in getting people to participate in WeRelate. I tried once with my genealogy group of 35 and came up blank. The more I think about it, I doubt that any would ever try, although some love Ancestry. More sobering is what of the stamina of those who tried WeRelate? I examined the contributions of those Users with my common watched pages. The results are disturbing. Starting with the first 8 with highest commonality I found that only one was active and the rest last contributed as follows: Oct 2009, July 2009, July 2008, Dec 2008, and Nov, May, Mar 2007. Starting at the least commonality the results were slightly better with two in 2011, but the rest in 2009 and 2007. In other words, even if we can convince someone to participate, will they participate once and then give up because of the difficulty? For sure I would recommend that newbies don’t read the discussions on the Watercooler. HLJ--HLJ411 10:14, 18 March 2011 (EDT)

Hi. I sure wouldn't recommend the Watercooler, either. I actually agree with the people who want to get more documentation up, but I also think it's going to take a lot longer time to make WeRelate something like the genealogy version of Wikipedia, probably longer than I'll be around. Like you, I want some place to put my research, because my kids aren't particularly interested, and if my grandkids ever become interested, it'll be long after I'm gone. But I also think if WeRelate is going to survive and continue to grow, it has to remain reasonably accessible to more than just a few purists. I've actually heard a professional genealogist recommend Ancestry rather than WeRelate as the place to put your research, because you will make more contacts on Ancestry than you will on WeRelate. I wasn't totally polite in my response, but it does make a kind of sense. Both sites are, ultimately, derivative, although the quality of stuff on Ancestry is enough to send me into a rant. In the long run, I think the real strength of WeRelate is going to be the one page per ancestor, because as more people upload information, the more duplications there will be, and the greater the need to sort out disagreements, and the only way to resolve the disagreements will be through documentation.
Anyway, thanks for the feedback, and hang in there.--GayelKnott 11:56, 18 March 2011 (EDT)

I certainly agree. One of the strengths of WeRelate is that there will be decades to sort out the duplicates and add documentation. I only hope that enough folks will be participating to continue improving our pages.--HLJ411 13:34, 18 March 2011 (EDT)

Kind of what I hope, too.--GayelKnott 19:32, 18 March 2011 (EDT)

WeRelate Featured Page - week of August 22, 2011 [23 August 2011]

Hi Gayel, another one of your Person Pages, Gilbert Scott has been selected as this week's WeRelate Featured Page - congratulations! Great sources and documentation, wish there were more contributors like you on the site:) Keep up the good work!

Best regards,

Volunteer Administrator on WeRelate--Delijim 17:43, 23 August 2011 (EDT)

Thanks.--GayelKnott 18:16, 23 August 2011 (EDT)

Barbara P. wife of William W. Godfrey (b. 1850 in WV) [21 June 2012]

Hello and greetings. I've been doing some research into a relative's line and came across your information at the WeRelate site. The Barbara P. (b. July 1850 in PA), who is listed as wife of William W. Godfrey, would be Barbara Pollock, daughter of Thomas Pollock and Isabella Wilson. I am of no relation to this line, but my 2nd cousin is. His maternal grandmother was Barbara Olive Samuelson (nee Godfrey), daughter of Joseph William Godfrey and Mary Ida (Scott) Godfrey. Joseph W. Godfrey (1879-1957) was the son of William W. Godfrey and Barbara Pollock. Barbara was the daughter of Thomas Pollock and Isabella Wilson, both of Scotland.

My 2nd cousin's mother (the 3rd daughter of Barbara O. Godfrey Samuelson) related this information to me directly, from her knowledge of her family's history. (She herself has never done any genealogy work.) She also related, during my conversation with her, that her mother's grandfather, James Thomas Scott, was married three times and that one of the wives was a Mary Masterson. She did not know that Mary Masterson's only child, Mary Ida Scott, was the line through which she herself was descended.

In any event, I can provide some information along this line, if you would like.


Scott A. Byrd Vienna, Virginia--ScottAByrd 01:53, 6 October 2011 (EDT)

Hi, Scott,

We do get into extended families, don't we. My line is through David Garret Scott, a younger brother of James Thomas Scott. Some of the information I have on the Godfreys is from a descendant of Alverda Godfrey (sister of Barbara Godfrey Samuelson). The Scotts have had an on-going interest in family history and have done a lot of writing back and forth. If you or any of your cousins are interested, I've put excerpts/transcriptions of some of the letters on-line, and would be willing to answer any questions I can.

The big question for this family is -- who were the parents of William Hazelton Scott? Lots of family stories, but neither I nor a (second) cousin have been able to find any actual documents. Any help on this line would be very much appreciated.

I've made a note on Barbara Pollock's page regarding her parents, but please feel free to add any other information you wish. That's one of the things I like about WeRelate, the page "belongs" to the person it is about not the person who created the page, so anybody who has information can add to that page. If you don't want to bother with the formatting, you can add information in the text box, or even just put it on the talk page.

Thanks for the info and comments,
Gayel--GayelKnott 13:41, 7 October 2011 (EDT)

Hi, Gayel. I share your frustration regarding the antecedents of William H. Scott. In the event that you have not done so, I would explore the Hazelton line, in light of the fairly common practice of a child's middle name being either the maiden name of the mother or else the maiden name of either grandmother. Thus, digging into the Hazelton name in and around the Delaware/Maryland region might lead to the identity of the parents of William Hazelton Scott.--ScottAByrd 00:17, 19 December 2011 (EST)

Thanks, Scott. One of my cousins and I spent a few days in Salt Lake this summer, looking at different possibilities, and he did an initial look at the Hazelton family. The first William Hazelton and his wife moved to Philadelphia, while the younger one apparently died without descendants. There is more research to be done to really nail this, though.
At the moment, I'm thinking the William Scott from Georgia may be the most useful research direction -- I did get a bit more on one of his daughters, and have a line on another -- but the best place to do the research is in Maryland itself and I'm not yet ready to go there. At some point, I'll try to get some of this on-line.
Thanks, again, and maybe one day one of us will do more than rearrange the bricks in the wall!--GayelKnott 23:03, 21 December 2011 (EST)

Hello again, Gayel ---

In reading your notes, I've been wondering why William Scott would have chosen to move from Georgia to Maryland. One notion that comes to mind is that Georgia did not welcome Catholics, but Maryland was one of the first places in the Colonies that did. Whether or not the time sequence works out on this, I do not know. But, perhaps this tidbit may prove useful in your research. In other words, William Scott might have come to Maryland as part of a larger migration (or group) of Catholics who departed Georgia. Information on that sort of event might help shed some more light on your query.--ScottAByrd 01:01, 18 June 2012 (EDT)

Hi, Scott. Sorry for the delay in getting back to you. I was out of town, and also wanted to update the "Search" notes.
Your question is a good one -- I've wondered myself why he would come back to Maryland. As far as I know, though, the Scotts were either Methodist or Presbyterian, or just possibly Episcopalian. The Covingtons who went to North Carolina were Episcopalians who became Baptists. I haven't checked with the descendants of the DNA Georgia Scotts, but no one has said anything about Catholics.
But you're right about the need to get a better handle on the history of the times and places. Still lots of work to do, unfortunately.--GayelKnott 00:56, 21 June 2012 (EDT)

Adair family tie-in [7 November 2011]

Hi Gayel, thought I'd let you know I was working on the Adair family of Augusta/Rockbridge County and found a tie-in to one of the persons that you added:

Samuel Adair

Best regards,

Jim:)--Delijim 14:35, 6 November 2011 (EST)

Thanks, Jim. I see I need to add some sources here. Not that I have much, and what little I have is all derivative. The closest I've got for documented people is Jacob Dunning Roe. Bottom line -- if there is anything you think needs changing, just go ahead and change it.

On a somewhat different front, I see you occasionally add something to one of the Meadows/Meadors pages. As you know, this is a family that has been "done", and "done", and "done". And is often a mess. I'm slowly trying to sort out one small part of it, but again, I'd welcome any additions/corrections to any part of it that aren't based on somebody's gedcom or WFT, or whatever. Gayel --GayelKnott 19:34, 6 November 2011 (EST)

Congratulations! [8 June 2012]

Congratulations! You are the winner of the WeRelate Genealogy Contest "Plyant Mahon." Thank you for making WeRelate a great resource for historians and genealogists. We really appreciate your contributions! If you like, you can add this graphic Image:Img0772012 werelate winner.gif to your user page, signifying that you are a winner. Thanks again : ) --cthrnvl 13:57, 8 June 2012 (EDT)

Probable Match [22 July 2012]

Hi Gayel, I noticed the probable match of the following families:

William Calvert and Margaret Askins

William Calvert and Margaret Arnold

According to the following Genforum post, Margaret's surname was Arnold:

If you feel that these families are the same, feel free to merge them..

Take care and best regards,

Jim:)--Delijim 12:57, 22 July 2012 (EDT)

Boy, did I have to dig to find my references for this! But, you're right. I'll do the merge. References aren't that good, but Maybe someone will find better ones.
Thanks, --GayelKnott 18:19, 22 July 2012 (EDT)

Elizabeth Irene Randell [6 September 2012]

Hello Gayle,

I recently got an e-mail from WeRelate notifying me of a change to the family of Samuel Randell & Margaret Shoup specifically the death date for Elizabeth Randell. You, I'm supposing, changed the death date from 18 Mar 1978 to 18 Jun 1978. How did you get that date?? I changed it back cause according to the Washington Digital Archives and a copy of a Seattle Times Death Notice I received from a library volunteer, they both say she died Mar 18, 1978. Since I am not sure about the birth date I have not changed that. I am curious to know how you got 18 Jun 1978.

Sincerely, Paul--PaulMax1957 04:18, 6 September 2012 (EDT)

Gossage-Jeffrey Family [23 September 2012]

Thanks for fixing the family name. I'm still unclear as to how some of this works, but really like the site. Lana--Ragtimelil 08:45, 23 September 2012 (EDT)

No need to be patronizing to me in the discussion [22 November 2012]

We can have a respectful disagreement without the implication that I dont know what I am talking about.--Daniel Maxwell 16:51, 22 November 2012 (EST)

Same goes in terms of disrespect. --GayelKnott 19:16, 22 November 2012 (EST)

No disrespect was intended, I promise. I have a tendency to be the nay-sayer often on this site, but it is with the best of intentions. My goals are the same as yours.--Daniel Maxwell 19:32, 22 November 2012 (EST)

Okay, but there are a lot of good researchers on this site, along with the people who just do gedcom dumps. If any of them can offer a different perspective on problem solving, I'd certainly look at what they have to say. --GayelKnott 19:47, 22 November 2012 (EST)

Thanks! [28 November 2012]


Thanks very much for your suggestion re: William Dial. Even though it hasn't borne fruit yet, I really appreciate someone willing to help out.

Relatedly, thanks for your support in helping the Brick Walls page to gain some traction!

-- Jdfoote1 21:05, 27 November 2012 (EST)

Hello! [29 November 2012]

Hi Gayle,

I received email notification that you've been doing some work with John Ross and Elizabeth Crook, and just wanted to introduce myself. My name is Mary Burns Furr, and I am descended from the Burns and Crook lines in Clay County, KY. Do you have any more information about the Crooks?


Mary--Skookum 18:02, 29 November 2012 (EST) [1 January 2013]

Are you aware of the genealogy project in stackexchange? Reading your user page made me think you might be interested. The site is in beta at moment - stackexchange uses a crowd sourced way to evolve from proposal to beta to a launched site and it could use more participants. Some links if you are interested:

Your user comments "I believe that the results of our research should be available to others without their having to subscribe to some company owned website" made me think stackexchange would resonate with you and your 'why werelate' made me think I'd appreciate your voice being heard on stackexchange - that community seems to resonate with your "Sources, Documentation, and Good Genealogy" but some seem to be down on crowd sourced wiki's (and I'm a strong proponent of werelate so I'd like others who feel same way to join and speak up).

My apologies if you are already aware of the site and/or not interested.--Sparrell 11:02, 1 January 2013 (EST)

Primary does not mean original [2 February 2013]

You just went through all the sources on Person:Robert Danks (4) and marked them all secondary, including, for example, Northampton VRs.

Primary sources are based on contemporary information of an a first hand participant or collected by an official whose job it is. Secondary sources are sources that add analysis and therefore include assumption and guess to complete the picture, or have no basis indicated at all.

Original records are the original documents, not copies, transcriptions, or even photographs. Non-original records are derivative.

Thus the Northampton VRs are derivative primary information. They were contemporary and the published records attempt to convey only the information in the original, though the formatting has been changed to suit the medium.

The reason why I think this is important is because facts that are based on primary information, even if copies or transcriptions, are orders of magnitude more correct than secondary information based on no evidence, estimates, guesses and assumptions. Obviously original is better than derivative, but whereas there is great benefit in making sure all facts are based on primary information, pursuing those sources to the original copy, if even possible, yields benefits in such a small number of cases as to not be worth the effort unless contradictory primary information arises.

Lumping everything into secondary makes any rating system useless. Decades of genealogical research and I can count on my fingers how many actual original documents I have used. --Jrich 16:15, 31 January 2013 (EST)

I think this is an extremely important issue. As I've said before, it's unfortunate that WeRelate uses outdated concepts to define sources, but apparently it's done at least in part to maintain compatibility with computer based genealogy programs.
A primary source is, and I quote:
"a traditional concept within the humanities that is variously defined as an original record, a contemporary account, or a firsthand account, but not necessarily all three simultaneously. The term is no longer used in sound genealogical analysis because any source (and any statement within a source) can be a combination of both firsthand and second hand information." [emphasis added] Shown Mills, Elizabeth, Evidence Explained (2007), p. 827
The Northampton VRs are not a primary source, they are a derivative source. They have been both copied and transcribed, which introduces one or two levels of potential error, no matter how careful the copier or the transcriber. (And assuming that they have been copied from town records, there are other potential issues.) While I agree that many New England derivative sources are reasonably reliable, I have found errors in them, including other VRs (the "Tan Books") and Torrey's Marriages Before 1700. Nor am I the only researcher I know who has done so.
"are not a primary source, they are a derivative source". These are not complementary properties. Because it is derivative does not mean it is not a primary source. See for example the BCG website. They are independent properties of information. It is original vs. derivative, and it is primary vs. secondary. Different dimensions, so to speak. --Jrich 22:36, 31 January 2013 (EST)
Information may be primary or secondary. Sources are original or derivative. Primary/secondary is not a different dimension of the same entity (sources), its a rating for a different entity (information). In other words, trying to rate sources as "Primary" or "Secondary" is like trying to decide how orange an apple is, and how dimpled its skin.
If sources are rated "Primary" or "Secondary" based on the information they contain, then many derivative sources (including compiled genealogies that contain transcriptions and even perhaps extractions -- where does one draw the line?) would/could/should be considered "primary sources". The whole practice of referring to sources as primary or secondary (not to mention "reliable"/"unreliable") becomes a quaqmire, based on personal/traditional inclination. The distinction between source and information, and the different terminology used to describe sources and information, reduces the need to rely on personal/traditional inclination.
The rating, as used on WeRelate, is for the source, not the information. If the rating referred to the information, then it should be associated with the information at the point of entry, or, alternatively, the source would have to be entered every time it was used to cite a specific bit of information. While that might be a possibility in an ideal world, in practice it's highly unrealistic, since it would consume all kinds of time and energy that most people (probably including me) would be unwilling to expend. Rating sources does at least alert everyone to the possibility that the quality of sources and the quality of the information they contain should be questioned. We seem, unfortunately, to be stuck with the Primary/Secondary terminology, even though it's inappropriate for describing sources. But once the possibility of questioning quality is opened up, then discussion can ensue, particularly where there are differences or questions regarding specific items of information. And since discussion is the basis of evidence and ultimately "proof" (I word I really dislike), then discussion is good. --GayelKnott 16:42, 1 February 2013 (EST)
Most vital records, with a few exceptions where town clerks have added their own genealogical notes, are almost entirely primary. One could also argue that it applies not to the whole source, since it isn't on the source page, but to the specific use made of it in the citation. But regardless of this and various other nits, bottom line, the whole rating seems pointless, and perhaps then, you might consider not rating sources? Dallan has indicated it will eventually move to the Source page where hopefully it will be out of sight and ignored since its usage would never be consistent enough to be useful. --Jrich 17:13, 1 February 2013 (EST)
I wonder if the problem is with the whole idea of "rating"? Perhaps we should be considering these as "descriptions". I'm beginning to think the whole idea of rating (except possibly for downloaded gedcoms) is so dependent on personal inclination that I would agree with you -- rating is pretty much useless, particularly when applied to a source. On the other hand, I do find the idea of descriptions helpful -- specifically the original/derivative distinction. Within that, for derivative sources, I found it really useful to know if they contain source citations, transcriptions, etc., and have sometimes added that information to a source page. If Dallan does move the "rating" to the source page, I would hope it would be original/derivative, but I'm not going to hold my breath. This primary/secondary concept for sources seems to be pretty ingrained. If/when he does I guess we will all have to make more use of dialogue/discussion to convince some researchers that just because "cousin Suzie said so" doesn't mean it's right.--GayelKnott 19:43, 2 February 2013 (EST)
I have no problem with using derivative sources. I do have a problem with insisting that a derivative source be considered "primary" just because it has traditionally been so considered, or because it is based on primary information. I do agree that there is a problem with the rating system, but until the proper terminology is used, the best approximation of "derivative" is "secondary". Not doing so, in my opinion, simply reinforces some researchers' (including some with years of experience) assumption that the sources are error free. (And please, for the record, I'm NOT referring to you!)
Ultimately, of course, what is important is what you do with your sources, particularly how you use them to create/provide evidence. Like everyone else, I mostly don't bother to explain why I think a source is reliable in a particular instance, or how it provides evidence, but one of the things that I like about WeRelate is that there is plenty of space and opportunity to do so if any questions should arise. But that is another issue.
And just for the record, I do sometimes have problems with Shown Mills, but not in this instance. --GayelKnott 21:53, 31 January 2013 (EST)

My Family [26 February 2013]

Gayel - Curious about your interest in my family. Are you a cousin?


Paluch--Paluch 11:54, 26 February 2013 (EST)

Thanks Gayel [26 February 2013]

This not an easy site to use. Apparently no one is interested in the same folks I am.

Again thanks for straightening things out.

Paluch--Paluch 14:35, 26 February 2013 (EST)

I think any site can be difficult at first, so don't give up. As for shared family, I haven't seen many other sites with Italian families as well-documented as yours. But again, same thing goes for other areas of Europe. I have one line from Austro-Hungary (now Slovakia), and there are very few others who have even heard of it. But at least my information is out there for others to see. Same for your family -- and it will show up on a google search.--GayelKnott 15:26, 26 February 2013 (EST)

Carlton V. Knott [8 March 2013]

Hi GayelKnott: I am the granddaughter of George R. Knott from Raymond, Minnesota and writing a book about his experiences in World War I. We must be related, but I am not sure how. My mother is Dorothy Knott Rude. I saw the photo of Carlton Knott's marker on the werelate page. Do you know if his remains are there? Also, do you have any information on his widow and child? Do you have any idea where they were married? If you have any info about his war record, or any letters home, please let me know. I do have a copy of the Kandiyohi County in the World War," so I did see some letters he and his brother Raymond wrote home. Thanks for your help. Please keep in touch. Jennifer Rude Klett Delafield, Wisconsin--Jrudeklett 14:51, 4 March 2013 (EST)

Hi again: We must be 3rd cousins. Nice to meet you. I just sent away for Carlton's World War I pension/service records. BUT, most were damaged in a fire in St. Louis in the 1970s, so I am not hoping for much. I will let you know if I find anything out. It will take about 2 months to hear anything. Jennifer--Jrudeklett 17:12, 4 March 2013 (EST)--Jrudeklett 17:15, 4 March 2013 (EST)

Thanks.--GayelKnott 18:23, 4 March 2013 (EST)

Hi Gayel: I don't believe Alice Phiefer (Raymond Knott's wife) was Carlton's wife as she is listed in the 1920 census as single, age 22 and living in Minnesota with her father and step mother. Also, I spoke with LuAnn last week and she did not know anything about Carlton's wife. One question: Can you please tell me what cemetery Carlton's headstone is located in Clear Lake, WA? Thanks a bunch. Jennifer--Jrudeklett 17:07, 6 March 2013 (EST)

I don't really think Alice is his wife, either, but the suggestion was made. I couldn't find any marriage in Minnesota in Kandiyohi, Renville, Chippewa, or Hennepin counties, nor in Montana in Cascade county. I have contacted the Clear Lake Historical Association for help in locating burial information, but have had no reply, and don't know when/if I will. I would be very surprised if Carlton was actually buried there, to be honest, but one never knows. I think there are some Federal Records regarding having bodies shipped home, but have never pursued them. For one thing, he would have had to have been moved yet again, when the family moved from Minnesota to Clear Lake.
There is only one cemetery in Clear Lake, the Clear Lake Cemetery. Clear Lake is a very small community, classified as a "Census Designated Place" -- i.e., no (longer) any local governance. In terms of governance, it is considered part of Mount Vernon. In terms of geography, it is (now) virtually a part of Sedro Woolley.
The Skagit Valley Genealogical Association might have some information, but contact/queries seem to go on a Query Board, or else need to be sent into the Society for research for a fee. One other possibility might be the Lemley Funeral Home in Sedro Woolley, which seems to be the only one there, and one that was used by other members of the family at various times. They might have information about either the stone or who to contact for cemetery information.
If Carlton was married -- as he stated on his WWI Draft Registration -- the best source of information is still likely to be through his military records. The only other source I can think of at the moment would be newspapers in Great Falls. There is a local library there that seems to have microfilm copies of newspapers. Whether or not they allow ILL, I don't know. (Getting ILL loans of microfilm across the border -- I live in Canada -- is often more of a pain/expense than it is worth.)
If/When I hear back from Clear Lake, I'll certainly let you know. Gayel --GayelKnott 20:03, 7 March 2013 (EST)

Hi Gayel: Spoke with Lemley Funeral Home in Washington, they knew nothing but referred me to someone. I called the referral but his cell mailbox was full; I will keep trying. As I work in library, I will pursue ILL of Great Falls Tribune microfilm. Thanks for your help, I will let you know if any news breaks. Jennifer--Jrudeklett 12:26, 8 March 2013 (EST)

I was there many years ago, researching someone on my mother's side of the family, and they seemed quite nice, so hope it works out. --GayelKnott 20:41, 8 March 2013 (EST)

User status [31 March 2013]

Hi Gayel,

I would like to suggest to the Overview Committee that your user status be changed to Administrator. I believe it would be helpful as part of your work on the Duplicate pages patrol to be able to delete pages for Living people. I wanted to first check with you before I proceeded. Would you have any concerns with your status being changed or do you think it would be helpful? --Jennifer (JBS66) 18:18, 17 March 2013 (EDT)

No problems, Jennifer. I do seem to be slowly working my way through a lot of "Living" people! --GayelKnott 15:41, 18 March 2013 (EDT)

I changed you User Status to Admin, so you can now delete pages. You may want to look at the recommendations on the WeRelate:Speedy delete page and watch it for future updates. Some pages for living people we delete on sight, but others we give a 14 day SD warning. If you have any questions at all, just let me know. Thanks! --Jennifer (JBS66) 10:11, 24 March 2013 (EDT)
Thanks, Jennifer. This should cut down on the number of Speedy Deletes I'm creating from the Duplicates list.--GayelKnott 12:32, 24 March 2013 (EDT)

I no longer wish to use this site nor have my tree involved because the changes made are not right. I went to a lot of hard work went to Mingo county and Pike county records and a few family Bibles to get a lot of the information as well as all living relatives I could get to. I started this while all my aunts uncles and grandparents could help me before the internet was available and I hate seeing things changed. I have deleted my tree and deleting this account.--Deboriahbfree 02:03, 31 March 2013 (EDT)

Email for [4 April 2013]

I'm a bit new to WeRelate. Where can I find your address? Bill P.s. I may wait a bit as I'm having sync problems.--Robinsonbill 13:07, 4 April 2013 (EDT)

Hi, Bill,
Not a problem with the wait. As for my address, WeRelate (like Ancestry) does not list an email address, although you can contact me privately by using the menu on the right, under "more", where it says "Email user". Alternately, I do also have an Ancestry account, (same user name), which may be accessible at . (I often get annoyed with ancestry by their lack of transparency for finding people.)
Hope this helps. --GayelKnott 15:36, 4 April 2013 (EDT)

We Relate Featured Page - Week of April 29, 2013 (#4!) [1 May 2013]

Hi Gayel, another one of your Person Pages, Hendrik Tjeerts Knot has been selected as this week's WeRelate Featured Page - congratulations! (Your 4th Featured Page!) Great sources, narrative and documentation, wish there were more contributors like you on the site:) Keep up the good work!

Best regards,

Jim:)--Delijim 17:02, 1 May 2013 (EDT)

Discussion on categories 6 May 2013 [7 May 2013]


I do so agree with you. If we don't browse within WeRelate, how can we possibly use it to expand our knowledge of our families beyond what we have found in other sources?

You might be interested in some comments I made under Help talk: Categories titled: "Categories of places first, surnames second", discussion started 4 Apr 2013. Obviously, that didn't really see the light of day.

(I didn't want to put this on the Watercooler along with my comments about decisions of the Overview Committee.)

Regards ----goldenoldie 03:05, 7 May 2013 (EDT)

Locations and TimeZones--and Hello [7 May 2013]

Hi Gayel

As well as a Canadian flag, I have to wave a British one because that's where I live! I was somewhat surprised to find two messages from you at 10am to messages that I had written between 7 and 8 this morning. Good thing you put Vancouver with your signature.

I got busy on the "Wanted places" for a while and removed a whole lot of problems in the Ontario area, but there are still an awful lot of them. Someone who probably left WR years ago after providing us with 10,000 people lacking any sources whatsoever, insisted on adding "Tp" to every township his people came from. At least he knew the difference between Upper Canada, Canada West and Ontario. Altering his entries I encountered a boredom factor and stopped. Now I am working on my own family in their root location of Kirkcudbrightshire, Scotland and guess whose ancestors I am finding in "what links here"? So his work is getting more corrections made--both in Canada and in Scotland.

Here's a problem you might be able to help with. I notice you have been given your "admin certificate" for your work on duplications. I have been adding county maps to the Scotland pages (traced and labelled by yours truly), and I don't think I have managed to upload a perfect map once yet. As a result there are maps to be deleted, but for some technical reason images don't go into the Speedy Delete cubbyhole. I would be glad to supply a little list to anyone who could perform the operation.

It will be interesting to see if our use of the word Browsing carries any weight. Searching is like putting blinkers on a horse. You are never tempted by morsels that might just be within arm's reach (and that includes making contact with other WR users).

Cheers, Pat (--goldenoldie 05:43, 7 May 2013 (EDT))

Dorner Lehrer [17 June 2013]

Hello Gayel,

I got a notification that you put a do not merge against two different Dorner Lehrer families and I understand why because they are different but what I am wondering is whether you are looking at / researching these families or did you come across them because of another reason.

Thank you Jeffrey--JeffreyRLehrer 22:30, 16 June 2013 (EDT)

We Relate Featured Page - Week of June 17, 2013 (#5!) [24 June 2013]

Hi Gayel, time for you to "rack up another" Featured Page! Your MySource Page: MySource:GayelKnott/George_Jones_Documents has been nominated and selected as this week's WeRelate Featured Page. Nicely done, keep up the good work!

Best regards and have a great week,

Jim:)--Delijim 16:04, 20 June 2013 (EDT)

Thanks -- --GayelKnott 23:29, 24 June 2013 (EDT)

martien jacobs tonnis jacobs [22 June 2013]

Hello, I am a descendant of Martien Jacobs and TOnnis Jacobs. Are you also related to them? Kindly regards, Metha Hoeksema--Metha Hoeksema-Westra 12:48, 22 June 2013 (EDT)

martien jacobs tonnis jacobs [22 June 2013]

Hello, I am a descendant of Martien Jacobs and TOnnis Jacobs. Are you also related to them? Kindly regards, Metha Hoeksema--Metha Hoeksema-Westra 12:48, 22 June 2013 (EDT)

Marriage Date for Jonathan Doolittle & Rebecca Ranny [25 June 2013]

It's not clear to me whether I had the wrong date for this marriage and you corrected it or if you added an alternate date that predates his birth. At any rate I've checked Barbour and the present date is correct, so I'll just delete the alternate date and add the Barbour source. If I got it wrong I was probably reading his father's marriage date when I put it in,

Hal--HBWhitmore 01:26, 25 June 2013 (EDT)

rockwood family [19 August 2013]

I get more information on the rockwood family is go back to Thomas Rockwood 1420. he marry ann clopton. Iwill be put it down here.--Diann2013 12:51, 19 August 2013 (EDT)

rockwood family [23 August 2013]


Put the name richard rookwood and date 1602-1662.look up it in the internate you will see a list of him and his wife Agnes Lovell.That were I got my information. There is a book on  the Rockwood Family to. I never saw the book.

For Richard Rockwood partens it is them Robert Rockwood and Elizabeth bachier.On the Clopton family I got up to Walter de Clopton 1298-1339. Diann--Diann2013 19:36, 23 August 2013 (EDT)

rockwood family [24 August 2013]

Hi I know that you can not help me with things. I got all done and makeing chace to it. I am trying to put things down on this site. In as family and as a person too. Same on this site is all really do for me because is the same things. I am trying to meger the infornation I got with other on this site to help out. Diann--Diann2013 10:58, 24 August 2013 (EDT)

Hammerback and Tyberg [14 October 2013]

Hi Gayel, I received 6 messages about merges with Charles Hammerback and Alice Tyberg in my tree that I have not worked on in many years. I was wondering what your relationship is with them if any. They are my GG?Grandparents. thanks, Kathy--Xena5011 01:54, 14 October 2013 (UTC)

Knott family [18 October 2013]

Hi Gayel: I sent you an email yesterday about the Knott family. Did you happen to get it? Jennifer Rude Klett--Jrudeklett 20:14, 18 October 2013 (UTC)

[11 November 2013]

First time I've used this "User talk" feature. I have received a note about possible change to Thomas Thacker & Margaret from GayelKnott. Does this relate to Thomas Thacker of Repton, who married Margaret Blakesley, widow of John Blakesley in 1542, or another couple with these names?--Houseofthacker 15:09, 11 November 2013 (UTC)

Spudic Family Updates [11 November 2013]

GayelKnott, I notice you have been quite active in updating pages for the Spudic family. I am curious about your interest and connection to those pages. My wife is a Spudic, and there are not many around!

Thanks,--Lbeaumont 22:19, 11 November 2013 (UTC)

Thomas Hopkins [30 November 2013]

Dear Gayel,

This is a different Thomas Hopkins (and Katherine). The one I have added lived in Derbyshire, the one you draw my attention to is in Bristol/Gloucestershire. It's a relatively common surname, and the forenames are very common in that era. These Thomas Hopkins need to be kept separate.

I am still a newcomer to WeRelate, and need to learn some of the possibilities, particularly concerning merging of duplicates, or removing incorrect near duplicates, and as in this, guiding not to merge two different (but similar) entries.--Houseofthacker 16:32, 30 November 2013 (UTC)

Updates to Leah Weaver [5 January 2014]

Hi. Thanks for making some updates to Leah Weaver, but I am a little confused by the summary you left.

You said you added some census data to distinguish the parents from another set of people with the same name. Could you explain your analysis? How are you sure which couple goes with this person as the parents?

Also, in your summary of the census data, you list other people which I presume are siblings to Leah Weaver. It would be nice if you could make the profile for Leah Weaver more complete by adding new persons with these names and relate them accordingly. (This way other people searching the wiki would be able to see the existing connections.)

Lastly, could you make a copy of the census data that you have and link it? I would like a copy for my own records.--Wolfmanmi 01:26, 5 January 2014 (UTC)

Shervington/Matthews [6 January 2014]

Hi GayelKnott- I noticed that you have done a merge with Fanny Phoebe Shervington(Matthews) - are you a relative? I am directly descended from Fanny's sister Ada Matthews.

Best wishes - Steve--Goddard 09:38, 5 January 2014 (UTC)

Thanks for the info and advise etc, yes I am very much a newby on here but slowly getting my head around it. Love the idea of having only one page for each person/family etc. A daunting task though... Steve--Goddard 12:48, 6 January 2014 (UTC)

Another WeRelate Featured Page [9 January 2014]

Hello, one of your Person Pages: John Dunn has been nominiated and selected as this week's WeRelate Featured Page! Thanks for the good work, keep 'em coming!

Best Regards,

Jim:)--Delijim 00:34, 9 January 2014 (UTC)

WWI Knott book [9 January 2014]

Hi Gayel: The book about the Knott boys in World War I is now available. It is titled Alamo Doughboy: Marching Into The Heart Of Kaiser's Germany During World War I. Please see my website to find out where to purchase. Also updates are on my Facebook page at or search for Jennifer Rude Klett: Nonfiction Writer on Facebook. Jennifer Rude Klett--Jrudeklett 00:45, 9 January 2014 (UTC)

Klaaske Douwes Hellinga [20 January 2014]

Hi Gayel: I merged the 2 "Klaaskes" for you. Kind regards,Beatrijs 02:47, 20 January 2014 (UTC)

Cochran/Tassell Corrections [2 February 2014]

Greetings! I want to know if this is a current tree you are working on and I would like to know what sources you have if you are. This is my family and I would greatly appreciate any holes in my tree.

Thank you!--Jeany0078 08:31, 2 February 2014 (UTC)

Covington Caution... [5 February 2014]

Saw your edits relating to an incorrect child. Some of the standard templates that a few of us worked on were created to help mark situations like this, so I hope you don't mind my dropping them in. I can't admit any familiarity with the situation in question, but I'm always impressed with efforts like yours to debunk things that were too quickly accepted at one time or another, and seem to gain inadvertent credibility only because no one has looked at them closely. It's an impressive level of diligence - and (in creating the templates) I know I wanted to highlight both such efforts and the findings - lest things backslide (all too easy in a world of GEDCOMs...).

My best, and feel free to revert anything I did if you find fault. --jrm03063 15:10, 5 February 2014 (UTC)

Thanks, jrm. I've used your Speculative templates a lot -- they're very useful -- but guess I just hadn't remembered that you created Refuted templates as well. (Hhmm, now where else can retrofit them?) --GayelKnott 17:05, 5 February 2014 (UTC)

Reader - Corlett marriage Liverpool [9 February 2014]

Hi Gayel, I've just started on this so apologies if there are technical errors in my input. I note that you have changed the details of the Reader Corlett wedding in 1897 in Liverpool. I have the original records which show the following:

Marriage: 28 Aug 1897 St Thomas, Liverpool, Lancashire, England John William Reader - 19 Fisherman Bachelor of 26 Strand St Margaret Jane Corlett - 24 Spinster of 26 Strand St.

   Groom's Father: John Reader, Fisherman
   Bride's Father: John Corlett, (deceased), Sailor
   Witness: William Henry Corlett; Margaret Ann Holland; John Reader
   Married by Banns by: J. A. Cooil
   Register: Marriages 1876 - 1905, Page 140, Entry 280
   Source: LDS Film 1546064

I think you have changed the church to St John's, Liverpool. Do you have some more information on this? Many thanks, Adam--Adamhoque 09:56, 9 February 2014 (UTC)

One Place Studies [25 February 2014]

Many thanks for passing on details of the One Place Studies website to me. It has scads more to say for itself than two of the three placename study sites I reviewed for WR on Friday.

I have just spent half an hour browsing. Nether Winchenden isn't exactly just up the road, but it is a village that I used to take a detour through on the way home from work sometimes. It is one of a number in that area that have the atmosphere of another age. Columbus, Ontario, is in the same county that my paternal grandfather's family lived in during their farming generations. The diagram of relationships between names in the cemetery was really interesting. Malton, Yorkshire, also has links to my paternal grandfather's family: the couple who emigrated to Canada lived in Swinton and Settrington, two villages within five miles of Malton.

The article on copyright law in the UK was very worthwhile. In WeRelate I have taken to telling people that a website has information on a topic rather than quoting it. Though I sometimes wonder if these very protective website owners would have a higher profile if they allowed more publicity.

/cheers, Pat --Goldenoldie 21:01, 23 February 2014 (UTC)

Another day. The day the where-do-we-go-from-here discussion has "officially" wound up. I don't doubt that some members will continue to try to make a buck out of their two cents worth.

But as I read through the results of the questionnaire I was reminded of the presentation of the One Place Studies site and compared it with ours. I don't think it was just the pretty pictures, though they did wonders for it. There was something very friendly in the wording as well. These are things we should think about at WeRelate. How often does any one of us look at our home page? It's not just the logo that's all wrong. The whole thing is too heavy. It needs tabs so that we can say more about more things. Right now it's just the door to a filing cabinet where we each have a little niche--and I've met some members who have a large sign saying Private on their door.

But here I am talking to only one fellow member about this. I don't dare put my head above the parapet and tell the group.

/cheers Pat --Goldenoldie 07:24, 25 February 2014 (UTC)

At the moment I'm feeling rather discouraged -- which may be because I'm doing my monthly long-distance visit with my memory-challenged mother.

I like your point. I've said several times, perhaps not in terms other people understood, the need to consider how we actually sell WeRelate. Selling by simply stating "the facts" went out well-over a hundred years ago. Today, selling is about image, life-style, etc.

I just went back and looked at One-Place-Studies, along with WikiTree, FamilySearch, and Ancestry. We definitely need to improve our presentation! We've discussed the logo, but not the total presentation.

I'd say go ahead and say something - probably the only thing that will happen is that you'll be ignored.

Cheers, Gayel --GayelKnott 04:48, 26 February 2014 (UTC)

Changes to Smith Family (again) [9 March 2014]

Hi Gayle - I am getting tons of notifications this evening that you are editing the Smith pages again that we spoke of before. Looks like you are renaming pages, such as this one, where you changed the Page Title from "John Smith and Sarah Unknown" to "John Smith and Sarah Smith" but did not provide any evidence to support that Sarah's maiden name was Smith. Is the evidence forthcoming? Are you actively researching these pages now? --Cos1776 01:05, 10 March 2014 (UTC)

GEDCOM Export Ready [30 March 2014]

The GEDCOM for tree Scott Family is ready to download. Click here.