Person talk:Lenard Veneman (1)

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name:	Leonard Venneman
event:	Census
event year:	1885
event place:	Paterson, Ward 01, Passaic, New Jersey
gender:	Male
age class:	20 to 60 years
family number:	1461
page:	217
film number:	888635
 	Household	Gender	Age	Birthplace
Leonard Venneman	M		
Rachel Venneman	F		
Annie Venneman	F		
Job Venneman	M		
John Venneman	M

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name:	Rachael Venaman
residence:	Paterson, Passaic, New Jersey
birthdate:	1828
birthplace:	Netherlands
relationship to head:	Wife
spouse's name:	Leonard Venaman

spouse's birthplace:	Netherlands
father's name:	
father's birthplace:	Netherlands
mother's name:	
mother's birthplace:	Netherlands
race or color (expanded):	White
ethnicity (standardized):	American
gender:	Female
martial status:	Married
age (expanded):	52 years
occupation:	Keeping House
nara film number:	T9-0794
page:	406
page character:	B
entry number:	5126
film number:	1254794
 	Household	Gender	Age	Birthplace
self	Leonard Venaman	M	51	 Netherlands
wife	 Rachael Venaman	F	52	 Netherlands
son	Cornelius Venaman	M	22	 New Jersey, United States
son	Phillip Venaman	M	19	 New Jersey, United States
son	Nicolas Venaman	M	14	 New Jersey, United States
son	Joseph Venaman	M	12	 New Jersey, United States
son	John Venaman	M	8	 New Jersey, United States
dau	Annie Venaman	F	16	 New Jersey, United States

was Rachel Veneman his second wife?--henk 15:23, 29 May 2012 (EDT)

In the 1900 census both Lenard and Aggie said that they were married since 1852, which matches with the mother's name on the death certificate of Anna (born 1864). So Rachel sounds like an alt name. I'm very interested in finding 1870 (and 1860) census records. Looks like in 1860 they were Tellman. --Pkeegstra 16:19, 29 May 2012 (EDT)

marriage date [31 May 2012]

Reference Number: Bk. AC : Pg. 41 Groom: Vennemon, Landert Bride:Hametman, Agie Location: Acquackanonk Place of Registration: Passaic Co. : Acquackanonk Marriage Date: 08-23-1852

From http://www.nj.gov/state/darm/databases.html, Index to Marriage Records, May 1848 - May 1878 --Jennifer (JBS66) 19:41, 30 May 2012 (EDT)

you.. you are amazing, this makes sence Hametman/Hameetman that souns like Hameteman, and this family comes from the same area as Venneman does, did I already say that you're amazing? This is what werelate is about! --henk 04:11, 31 May 2012 (EDT)

I agree. That is amazing. I'll definitely add that site to my list, since I lived a good part of my life in that Bergen-Passaic Netherlands-American community and have lots of people there. (I'm working on getting charter members from a CRC there to go along with First Lynden.) I'll go ahead and rename the pages sometime today. Any idea where she got the name Rachel? Maybe she just liked the name. --Pkeegstra 06:59, 31 May 2012 (EDT)

Next case: the wife of Cornelius Veneman. Looks like they miss the NJ state marriage index by two years. --Pkeegstra 07:09, 31 May 2012 (EDT)

I'm glad there were resources online to help solve this puzzle. Henk, I agree, this is exactly what WeRelate is about! I'll take a look at Cornelius' wife and add any information I can find. --Jennifer (JBS66) 08:12, 31 May 2012 (EDT)