User talk:Txbluebell6



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Census page titles [3 April 2010]

Hello, I am a volunteer here at WeRelate. I noticed that you created some new census pages. They contained the county, state, United States twice in the title. This usually happens when people use the Add page screen, and type both the Place and also put the Place in the title field. When you are using this screen, you can enter in the proper place, and put just YYYY U.S. Census Population Schedule in the title field (where YYYY is the year of the census). I corrected the couple that you made, and edited the page where they appeared. Feel free to let me know if you have any questions. --Jennifer (JBS66) 17:52, 3 April 2010 (EDT)

Jennifer, I also created the 1860 DeKalb page I think 3 times in attempting to correct this before I finally figured out I couldn't fix it. You might check to see if there are two which need to be deleted. Sorry, I'm learning.. I also could not figure out where the Category went in the "Notes Field". I could'nt find a "Notes Field". Thanks,--Txbluebell6 18:14, 3 April 2010 (EDT)

Thanks for letting me know. If nothing links to those census pages, I'll go ahead and delete them. Also, thank you for your feedback on the phrase "notes field" in the help file. I can see where that was confusing, and I've edited that in the help file to read "text field". Don't be at all sorry about learning! WeRelate can have a bit of a learning curve, and we've all learned from our little mistakes here. Don't hesitate to post if you have any questions, and I hope you have fun working here!
p.s. If it's helpful, you can always look back at the edit screen for Source:DeKalb, Alabama, United States. 1880 U.S. Census Population Schedule and see how I entered the information there. --Jennifer (JBS66) 18:26, 3 April 2010 (EDT)

individual death cert are not community sources [29 April 2010]

Hello, I am a volunteer admin and it's my job to help people learn the system. You asked for help licensing your images. I can't license your images but I can give your guidance. There are numerous licensing options, but most images fall into one of these categories:

  • Original published in US before 1923
  • Low resolution copy of an historical photograph. (When you reduce the image before upload, the resolution is reduced.)
  • Snippet of historical document
  • Work of US government--Public domain
  • If you took the picture, select the CC-BY-SA
  • If you know the photographer, get written permission.

Hope this helps. Please be aware that images left in the "Help needed" category for longer than two weeks will be deleted. If you have any more question please leave me a message. :)--sq 21:37, 29 April 2010 (EDT)

Help with one of my pages [8 May 2010]

I have a Matilda Caroline Richey that I tried to merge with MKSmiths Matilda Unknown. I still have the family page messed up. Can you help me straighten this out? I am trying to link William B Stout with Matilda Caroline Richey. Thanks.-- Pam Pollard Txbluebell6--Txbluebell6 19:43, 8 May 2010 (EDT)

Red River Texas Census has location at beginning [9 May 2010]

the 1850, 60 and 1870 Red River Census has the location at beginning and in the middle of the census name. I couldn't figure out how to fix it. Thanks, Pam--Txbluebell6 19:46, 8 May 2010 (EDT)

This sounds correct. See Portal:Source for the naming rules for Source pages. For geographic sources (like census) it should begin with the place, then the title of the source. Since the title of the census has the place name in it, it appears twice. --Judy (jlanoux) 23:21, 8 May 2010 (EDT)
There is indeed a mistake with these census pages. What happened is that back in October 2009, we automatically renamed sources and since these had the geographic location listed in both the location field and the title field, it appears twice. For example: Source:Red River, Texas, United States. Red River, Texas, United States. 1860 U.S. Census Population Schedule should be Source:Red River, Texas, United States. 1860 U.S. Census Population Schedule. I will go ahead and fix these. Thanks for letting us know. For future reference, to rename a page, you can click on Rename just below the blue bar, and follow the naming conventions that Judy referenced. --Jennifer (JBS66) 07:04, 9 May 2010 (EDT)

Stout/Richey pages fixed (I think) [16 July 2011]

Pam, I've moved your posts from the Main Page talk page (which is for talk about the Main Page . . .) to here. You could also have posted them to my own talk page, since I was the one who created the pages you're having trouble with. Either way works.

I've put William Stout back on the family page and renamed the page itself from "William Stout and Matilda Unknown" to "William Stout and Matilda Richey." They don't rename themselves automatically (that would open another whole can of unintended consequences), but there's a "Rename" tab at the top of each page. Renaming that page -- instead of creating a new family page from scratch -- also keeps all the pages for their children up to date. Go to the pages and see if this is what you had in mind.

To "merge" two pages, you go to one of them (usually the older, larger, more complete one) and then go to the "More" tab at the top and click "Find Duplicates." You may have to scroll down through a number of pages of results, but the other merge-candidate page should be in the list. Then follow the indicated steps to merge the two. Again, good practice is to keep the page with the lower number if at all possible. All this is covered in the Help files.

Remember, too, that if you get yourself totally screwed up (and we all do that occasionally), you can always go to the History tab at the top of the page and revert the whole thing back to the last version before you began changing things. "Nothing in a wiki every really goes away." You can revert almost anything. --Mike 22:00, 8 May 2010 (EDT)--Mike 22:24, 8 May 2010 (EDT)

Thanks so much! I hope everyting is ok with you. I still have a lot more to do. Prob won't get much more done now until Monday. I'm going to Selen and Elvira next and when finished with all the children I'm going back to John's probate which get's back in to all the children. Thanks again for your help. Pam

Hi again, Pam. Speaking of Selen: I've been working on some of the Stout lines lately and I note you have James Selen Stout listed as "Dr." What's your source for this? All the censuses, 1850-1880, just call him a farmer -- and 1860 (when he's 40 yrs old) says "cannot read or write." Also, the one portrait of him I've seen is very much of a frontiersman-type, not a professional man. --MikeTalk 12:17, 16 July 2011 (EDT)

Census templates and category text [10 May 2010]

Hello Pam, I noticed that you are putting the census template and category on your Person or Family page rather than on the source page itself. One example is Person:William Fults (3). The text {{1850Census}} [[Category:1850 Texas census]] is actually meant to be placed on the census source page. Here is an example census source page you can go by: Source:Franklin, Texas, United States. 1880 U.S. Population Schedule. If you put the Category:1850 Texas census onto your person pages, it will incorrectly categorize them in the listing of census pages. Let me know if you have any questions. Thanks, --Jennifer (JBS66) 14:06, 10 May 2010 (EDT)

I bet I have done a bunch of these that way..., I don't know. How do I get to the census source to edit it? If I add a new one where does the info go? The instructions are not clear to a new user.. It would sure help if we had a screen shot. Sorry for the mess. Thanks, Pam--Txbluebell6 15:59, 10 May 2010 (EDT)

No need to apologize. Wikis are great in that mistakes can be undone... I can tell you we've all made them! You may have done a few this way - if you notice that on a Person or Family page, just edit it and I'll do the same if I notice any.
Let's say you're looking at S3 on Person:William Fults (3). First click edit, go to the S3 box, and remove this text that you put in the Text/Transcription location box {{1880census}} [[:Category:1880Texas census]]. Save the page, then you can click on the blue link on S3 to bring you to Source:Franklin, Texas, United States. 1880 U.S. Population Schedule. You could also use the search feature to search for a particular census source page.
I have edited all of the census source pages you've created, so you needn't worry about those. Just keep this in mind when you create new source pages in the future. When you add a new census source, the {{1850Census}} [[Category:1850 Texas census]] (substituting the correct year and state) goes right onto the source page, in the big box that is labeled Text. Click on Source:Franklin, Texas, United States. 1880 U.S. Population Schedule, then on Edit to see the fields that are filled in there.
I also wanted to say that you are creating some very nicely detailed pages here. I know there is a learning curve, and our help pages are in need of updating (I think this is a to-do for WR this year). Feel free to ask questions whenever you need a hand, either on my talk page or on our support page. --Jennifer (JBS66) 16:44, 10 May 2010 (EDT)

I found the edit sources path so I think I finally understand, and I also think I understand how to add a new census.. I'll watch and let you know when I add another one. I've been waiting a long time for this website. I had a book written when Ancestry dumped the book feature in one of their upgrades. Too much editing to try and salvage it in word. I'm going to contact all the cousins to let them put in the next generation so there is 27 years of research here, just in two lines and I have not started my fathers family. But I'm enjoying this. Thank you for all the help. Pam

My User Page [14 May 2010]

Pam, I listened to the tutorials again and will budget some time each week and do more as time permits. I did set up a User Page. I browsed your file and am impressed with your "Image" pages. You are doing very well, it seems.

Today I hit the old "80" and made a few new resolutions. 15 months ago I started reading the Bible through for pleasure with a goal of finishing before the 80th birthday and finished a couple of months ago. Althought I have studied it a lot, I never just read it for fun, and it was. Since then I have been restudying certain Old Testament prophecies which have apotelesmatic (dual) fulfillment application. I hope I can keep some of the other resolutions I have adopted as well as that one.

Thanks, again, for inviting me to this site.

Jim--Jayharris 21:35, 13 May 2010 (EDT)

Speedy Delete [21 May 2010]

Hi Pam,

I happened to see your post for speedy delete on the Inventory 14 Nov 1840.jpg page. In order for a page to be placed in the speedy delete category, you would need to put the following code on the main page, inside the large text box: {{Speedy Delete}} (complete with the little brackets). This will put it into the category that administrators check daily. I can go ahead and delete this one for you. --Jennifer (JBS66) 07:11, 21 May 2010 (EDT)

Thanks! [2 June 2010]

Pam, thanks for cleaning up on some of my folks. I really do appreciate it. I have never been a quitter before but you will do much better not having to hear me whine.

When winter comes perhaps I can study and become active again but I promise I will not constantly be stewing about it. I will keep you informed about my activity but not lean on you. In the meantime, as I mentioned before, I am very willing to help you in ANY way I can by researching or digitalizing materials, just let me know. I am very proud of you!

A grateful Jim--Jayharris 13:56, 2 June 2010 (EDT)

Texas places [5 June 2010]

The place pages represent a location, and to avoid the quagmire of what it was called on such and such a day, WeRelate follows the convention of the Family History Library in listing places by what their name was in 1900. Thus there is not a duplicate set of places names for those towns that existed before 1845, or even those before 1836 when it was all Mexico. This has been discussed at length many times, people often favoring historical names but the place is really just the name of the Place page. The place page is able to store lots of information about the place, including all its historical names, etc. Also, historical place names may be noted in the Personal History, or in the text of the sources, if significant. This issue also arises because county are created, changed, or disappear, but the page names use the county that was in effect in 1900. Obviously some form of convention is needed to allow disparate researchers to work together, or there would be massive duplication and confusion, and so this is what was done. --Jrich 14:29, 4 June 2010 (EDT)

JRich, thanks for your well worded response! I will add that you can display a different name on your pages by using the "pipe trick" (this will still link to the unique Texas page). Instead of putting [[Place:Texas, United States]], you can put [[Place:Texas, United States|Republic of Texas]] (which will display like this: Republic of Texas). Another option is to put Republic of Texas in the Description field. --Jennifer (JBS66) 15:09, 4 June 2010 (EDT)

Thanks, that will work. Pam

Print [12 July 2010]

When I try to print - the new format prints with the "more" expanding into the user page messing it up. Is there some way to fix this, or another way to print? Thanks, Pam--Txbluebell6 13:51, 12 July 2010 (EDT)

Hi Pam, I noticed your question here. I would suggest posting this on the WeRelate talk:Support page. I think you'll have better luck finding someone there who can help (Dallan also watches that page). --Jennifer (JBS66) 16:38, 12 July 2010 (EDT)

Featured Page for week of August 16th [17 August 2010]

Hi, just wanted to acknowledge your Featured Page for this week. I'm not Dallan, but I'm one of the Volunteer Administrator's on WeRelate that has responsibility to choose/update the Featured Pages each week. Your page was nominated by one of the other Admins, so congrats and keep up the good work! FYI - I also touched up the photo of your Featured Page to brighten it up a bit and crop it.

Best regards,

Jim:) Volunteer Administrator on WeRelate--Delijim 18:21, 17 August 2010 (EDT)

Thanks so much! Pam.--Txbluebell6 18:30, 17 August 2010 (EDT)

Pictures [29 January 2011]

Hello In reference to the Treadaway letter. My name is Rob Frederick and my grandfather was Grover Cleveland Frederick, grandson of Francis Gray and John Frederick. Do have any photos of either John or Francis or of William Gray and Polly Cross, or proof of marriage? Thank you Rob--Mrfrd 11:34, 29 January 2011 (EST)

Another Featured Page! [28 June 2011]

Howdy, just wanted you to know that your Person Page: Wiley Pollard has been selected as your 2nd WeRelate Featured Page for this week for its excellent narrative and use of records and sources. Great Job - keep up the good work!

Best regards,

Jim :)
(Volunteer Administrator on WeRelate)--Delijim 16:16, 28 June 2011 (EDT)

Wow, Thanks! Been really busy since Jan, lots of family stuff, but I'm back and busy. Appreciate the honor. Pam

Another WeRelate Featured Page! [20 December 2011]

Howdy, your Person Page Leonard Fite has been nominated and selected as the WeRelate Featured Page of the week! Congratulations and keep up the good work:)

Best regards,

Jim:)--Delijim 22:54, 8 December 2011 (EST)

Hi Pam, got your message, I've shared it with the other Admins, Happy Holidays and have a great New Year's!

Best regards,


Bible records category [11 July 2012]

Hi, Pam--- I know you asked this question of Dallan, not me, but (like many of us) I watch his Talk page. You asked if there was a category for family Bible records. Did you mean the "Select" drop-down on the create-a-source page? (The drop-down with the check boxes on the Source page, called "Type" does include Family Bible as a choice.) I ask because, if that's what you had in mind, I think the consensus is that Bible records usually ought to be MySources, since they're almost never generally available. (If they've been published, then the choice is "Book" or "Article," or whatever.) Just curious how you're approaching this. --MikeTalk 15:48, 11 July 2012 (EDT)

Another WeRelate Featured Page [8 January 2013]

Wow, you're collecting a bunch of these... :) Your Person Page: John Richey, has been nominated and selected as this week's WeRelate Featured Page! Congrats and keep up the good work!

Best regards,

Jim:)--Delijim 20:01, 7 January 2013 (EST)

How about a 5th Featured Page? [5 March 2013]

Well, this is nothing new to you, but your Person Page, John Stuart Richey, has been nominated and selected as this week's WeRelate Featured Page! Great job again for the good use of narrative and by including sources and documents. Just an FYI - I "lightened up" the photo of John and his wife's headstone a bit and changed a couple of names on his person page to reduce any confusion. Again, good job, keep up the good work and best regards,

Jim:)--Delijim 16:55, 5 March 2013 (EST)

Pollards - Benjamin & Eli [2 March 2017]

Hi, I'd like to talk to you about the Pollards! Just checking that this is a good way to contact you... not sure if I'm doing this right. Thanks.--KarenWhite 12:15, 23 May 2013 (EDT) My name is Angie Parks. My Grandfather was William Luther "Bunk" Pollard. He lead a more than colorful life, and I know a little about the Pollard, though not much, since my Grandfather faked his own death and my whole life, he told us that he had no living family left, just he and my Grandmother, who also told us that she had no living family, Angie Parks

Wiki resistance [15 February 2014]

Thank you for your helpful comment on the Wikipedia discussion. It's much worse than I alluded to in the discussion. Wikipedia is not a 'family friendly' website or company, but in modesty I did not link or will I to any examples.--Daniel Maxwell 20:25, 15 February 2014 (UTC)

Congratulations! [30 July 2014]


We were very happy to see your latest posting about yourself that you are well and moving onward and upward in the genealogical organizations. May God continue to bless you.

We appreciate all you have done in the area of Gray Descendants. Goodbye and good luck!

Jim--Jayharris 15:41, 30 July 2014 (UTC)

I am Wiley Baxter Pollard's great granddaughter [21 October 2014]

Hello: My grandfather, William Luther Pollard (Bunk), was a son of Wiley Baxter Pollard. The family does not have the straights of what happened to William Luther (Bunk), as is recorded in the genealogical archives online.

He had a wife named Vergie Powers, who could not bear children. They were living in Selmer, TN and he owned a sawmill there. He met Effie Pearl Pollard (my grandmother). My Grandfather faked his own death and left TN with Effie. They married in Oklahoma in 1929, his never having divorced Vergie.

They settled in North Louisiana, eventually, where he became a prominent landowner and the owner of a general store. They had three children, Merry Anne (who died after living just one week), John Ernest, and Dortha Anne (my mother). They lived out their lives with fake identities and assumed names, telling us that all of their relatives were dead.

He lived out his life being known as Jack. When he died in 1975, my Grandmother finally told my mother who they were and where they were from. My mother took my Grandmother to TN where there were still family living on both my Grandmother and Grandfather's sides. It was only then that they found out what had actually happened to William Luther, son of Wiley Baxter. My mother was able to visit with his brother, Charlie, who looked so much like my Grandfather, until she was unable to bear it and had to leave in tears.

Vergie found out what happened to William Luther, when the story came out in the newspaper about my Grandmother's visit back home. My Mother's brother, John Ernest, went to visit her, and found out that, up until that time, Vergie had kept an area of her house dedicated to the memory of Bunk. When she found out where he had been all those years, she took everything related to him... all his pictures, etc., out in the back yard and burned it all.--Angiepm 00:24, 21 October 2014 (UTC)

James Hamilton [27 March 2016]

Hi Pamela,

Would you have any information on the parents of James Hamilton?????

thank you , Rhonda--Browndog 22:07, 27 March 2016 (UTC)

Casper Pollard [24 January 2019]

Hello Pamela, I am the 3rd great grandson of Casper. Have been a genealogist researcher and Civil War historian for about 40 years. I ran across your page while conducting research on Casper. I have stories about Casper and family as told to my grandmother by Lucretia (Pollard) Walton, Casper's daughter. My grandmother was a nurse in 1931 and was hired by the family to tend to Lucretia for the three years prior to her death in 1934. The two became very close and talked for hours about her family. My grandmother was unmarried, at the time. She formed a relationship with Lucretia's grandson Russell. They were married in 1935. I, also, have Casper's complete military record and battle campaign history through 1865. It is very impressive. Please contact me at for further. I don't know if this communication forum is viewable by everyone. I would prefer not to communicate over a publicly viewable forum.

Thank you, Sam G Patterson Jr. 08:57, 24 January 2019 (UTC)