Person:Thomas Carle (2)

Sources

Records of the towns of North and South Hempstead, Long island, New York 1654-1880

New England Marriages prior to 1700, On Ancestry, original source:Torrey, C.1963

Birth

Thomas Carle's POB is variously given as Aberdeen Scotland, Dunkirk, Scotland, Devonshire, England, Ireland, and Piscataway, NJ. Documentation for any of the above is limited to tertiary sources. The identification of his POB as Piscataway NJ, is particularly unlikely. Piscataway was not settled by the English until 1664,and given his 1656 marriage to Sarah Halstead Thomas could scarcely have been born after about 1636. It is possible that his parents were present in the area when it was under the control of the Dutch, or under New Sweden, though though it is not clear that there were English speaking settlers in the Piscataway area until after the Engish took control in 1664. The idea that he was born in Piscataway may be based on the fact that there apparently was a Thomas Carle born in that area about 1681. That, of course, could not be Thomas who married Sarah Halstead in 1656, but some may have assume it was the same person, unaware that the dates did not match up.

The most likely explanation of THomas' origin is that he was in fact the immigrant ancestor, arriving in the New Amsterdam area prior to 1656 when he married Sarah Halstead there. Most likely he came to the area from Great Britain, bu whether from Devonshire, Scotland, or Ireland is not known. However, of those choics Ireland would seem to be the least likely POB.

From:Genforum; Need original source documentation.:

A Carl researcher found he was born in Aberdeen, Scotland, emigrated 27 Feb. [1656], d. March 25, 1676 in Hempstead. Marion Carll's Manuscript gives Dunkirk, Scotland, near the English border "in the sheep country". Skip Carl's book gives considerable research on the subject, locating: John Carle in Devonshire, Richard Carle in Dartsmouth, John Carle in St. Mary's, concluding the area of Deveonshire is our ancestral home.

Note the date of emigration from Scotland is the same as the DOM in Long Island. Since the DOM is based on original source documentation in Long Island, it is likely that the emigration date was an assumption. Original source documentation for the earliest records for Thomas Carle are needed to establish when he first appears in the New World.

Note 1

Slightly adapted from: "A Carl Family History, The Story of an Old Long Island Family", by Skip Carl: via FamilyTreemaker Sources in the intermediate source are shown descriptively in parenthesis, but the description is usually not adequate to track them to the original.

On February 27, 1656^[1]... Richard Ogden, one of the original patentees of the Town of Hempstead, Long Island, sold 'unto Thomas Carle inhabytant off hempstead in the new Netherlands' all that he possessed in that town. The purchase included houses and 'planting Land upon the Greate plaines with the south Meddows and geates and fence upon the Neck With: 4 :getes ffor oxen in the east oxpaster.' (Records of the Towns of North and South Hempstead.) [In March of the] same year,... Thomas Carle along with thirteen others 'who are of Heempstead' for the third time petitioned the Dutch Governor of the New Netherlands, Peter Stuyvesant, for permission to settle the town we now call Jamaica (known then as Conorasset). This, they hoped, would be 'a place where they may hope whith Gods blessing upon theyr Labours more comfortably to subsist.' [Source:Missing] They had purchased the place from the Indians previously for 'two guns, a coat, and a certain quantity of powder and lead.' (A History of Long Island from Its Earliest Settlement to the Present Time, Ross.) But they said that they were unwilling 'to remove out of the jurisdiction' until they had the Governor's express permission.[Source:Missing]

They were allowed the land at Jamaica according to a document 'Done at Fort Amsterdam March 21st 1656' and signed by "P. Stuyvesant." However, Captain Thomas chose never to remove there. (Oldest Presbyterian Church in America.)

Thomas married Sarah Halstead 1656-8. She was born in or about the year 1638 in England and was the daughter of Jonas Halstead. Jonas was born circa 1610, probably in the West Riding of Yorkshire in northern England. He emigrated to Stratford, Connecticut, and thence to Long Island. Jonas' parents were Abraham Halstead (married September 5, 1596) and Susan Whitley (baptized February 1, 1572, a daughter of John whitley and Anne Hartley). (The Halstead Family.)

Sarah and the Captain raised a family of six. Their children were Thomas (a Quaker), Elizabeth, Margaret, John, Joseph, and Timothy.

In an inventory of 1659 we learn that the Carles owned 6 gates, 6 milk cows, and 39 acres of allotted meadow, with 30 being the 'rate or proportion of taxes for public charges' they owed for 1658. (Annals of Hempstead, Onderdonk.) By 1659 Thomas owned three calves; by 1661, five. (Ross.) ...

Thomas died about the year 1675. We have no idea how old he was. We do know that he died intestate. On March 25, 1676/7, upon the petition of the 'widow Carle', Letters of Administration were granted her. Her father, Jonas, and her brother, Timothy Halstead, were made overseers of the estate. (Town Records.)

James Beate, a son-in-law of the Captain's (husband of Elizabeth Carle), covenanted with Jonas Halstead 'to cary on and maneage the husbantree work belonging to the Esteat of Thomas Karl' for a time span of three years. He was 'to provide foder for the Catell [and sheep]' and firewood for the house, and to 'kepe the fence in Repaire.' 'For his Pains,' James would have 'a third Part of what Corn an pumpkin that is prodused of the land.' He would also have as his own 'a third part of the incres of the Cattel,' a 'third part of the incres of the Shepe,' a 'third of the Calfes and the lames,' and 'a third part of the incres of the swine.' Jonas Halstead would provide monies, six oxen, a horse, a cart, and a plow so that the work could be carried on. Thomas' sons, Thomas, John, Joseph, and Timothy, were to join in the work with their brother-in-law James Beate.

In December 1680, Sarah Halstead Carle made over the right and title of certain property to the same James Beate. In a document dated 1682, Sarah ratified the gift of land given by her deceased husband to daughter Elizabeth and son-in-law James. (Town Records.)

The last mention of Sarah Carle, the 'widow Carle,' was in the evaluation of real estate for 1683. She then had in her possession '2 heads, 66 acres, 6 oxen, 19 cows, 3 hogs, 8 sheep,' and those two very well marked horses! (Annals of Hempstead, Onderdonk.)

From "Records of the towns of North and South Hempstead":

"These may Certify any whoame it may concerne that whereass my Husband Thomas Carle did give unto my daughter Elizabeth Carle A Lott of Land Lying at A Neck Knowne by the Name of Madnans Neck my Husband being Deceassed and I being Executor of my Sd. Husbands Estate and my father overseer wee doe hereby both of uss Ratify and Confirme the Said Guift unto James Bate our Son in Law we Say wee doe hereby Ratify and Confirme ye Sd. Lott of Land from uss our Heires Executors Administrators or Assignes unto ye abovesaid James Bate to his Heires Executors Administrators or Assignes to have and to hold ass his owne Proper Right for Ever it being in number the fifty Second Lott and in quantity of Ackers forty Seven ass is wass Laid out at the first and thirty Seven Rod in Breadth bounded on the North by A Lott of Richard Guildersleives and on the South by A Lott of Abraham Smiths wee Say wee doe Ratify and Confirme the Said Lott of Land to ye Said James from any person or Persons that shall hereafter Lay any Just claim thereunto and unto the true performance of premissess wee have Sett to our Hands this 2d of March in ye Yeare of our Lord one thousand six hundred eighty two and in the three and thirtieth Yeare of his Maje'ts Raigne Charle the Second by the grace of God King of Great Brittaine ffrance and Ireland Defender of the ffaith Signed Sealed and Delivered in the presents of uss

Witnessess Jonas Halsteade Richard Guildersleve Sarah X Carle John Carle her Marke

Note 2

Need Source

• Captain Thomas Carle 1638-1676 came from England to Piscataway, Middlesex, NJ and ca 1656 moved to Hempstead, Long Island.

Need Source

• "Whereas Captain Thomas Carle of Hempstead, Long Island died intestate, upon the petition of his widow, Sarah Carle, that Letters of Administration might be granted to her, and that her father Jonas Halstead, and her brother Timothy Halstead, of Hempstead, might be made...." Uncited as of yet. Further info said to be found in The Carle Place files at the Long Island Studies Institute at Hofstra University in Hempstead, New York.

Note 3

FromOliveTree Genealogy

On January 16, 1663, day of election, Thomas Carle was chosen for Townsman to stand for next ensuing year.

In 1657 Thomas Carle was the owner of six gates at "the necke". In 1658 Thomas Carle was given a certain allotment of meadowland; first received 6 acres, later that year he acquired ten more.

In 1659 Thomas Carle held six acres at Mr. Ogden's Neck.

In 1659 Thomas Carle took up eight acres at Rockaway.

In 1663 at a town meeting Thomas Carle five acres "of upland" at Mr. Denton's Neck and ten acres "on the north side".

In 1663 Thomas Carle, with others of Hempstead, was made a freeman of English Connecticut, under whose jurisdiction Long Island now fell.

In February, 1663 Captain Thomas Carle purchased Thomas Smith's parcell of meddow lying on dentons Neck.

In 1664 Thomas Carle was chosen to be a church warden.

On January 16, 1672 at a town meeting, 8 more acres were given to Thomas Carle "on the Great Neck eastward by Jerusalem River.

Thomas Carle died intestate about 1675, age unknown.

1. ↑ Note that this is the same date as his marriage to Sarah Halstead. That could be coincidence, or may be a confusion. Need to locate original source documents for this data.