User talk:White Creek

Welcome [20 October 2012]

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Source Format [6 June 2017]

Hi White Creek,

Welcome back! I'm one of the volunteers who periodically patrols recent edits, and there are a couple things I've seen on your pages I just wanted to point out. First, please make sure you link your sources to specific facts. You can do so by clicking the "+" button next to a fact and entering the source, or entering the source first, and then entering "S1" or whatever the corresponding number is in the Source field after the fact. Second, if you want to cite a source that currently doesn't have a page, please use "Citation Only" or create a page for it, rather than leaving a red link to a page that doesn't exist. Finally, if you want to cite particular people for your facts (i.e. "Sandra at Rootsweb" I think Ive seen), please provide either a link to the information or a reason to trust the information (i.e. "Sandra Smith, granddaughter of subject"). If there's no way for others to either verify or evaluate the source, then there's not much point in citing just someone's name. Thanks for your work, and if you have any questions, please feel free to ask. --Amelia 00:20, 21 October 2012 (EDT) (volunteer admin)

Hello. I am a volunteer admin here and member of our WeRelate:Mentoring team. I am working on cleaning up some pages today and could use some help from you to straighten out some of the source pages you have created. It looks like, in 2013, you may have accidentally created 3 pages for the same source, namely

1. Source:Jacob Miller Family History,
2. Source:Lauer, Dorthy. Jacob Miller Family History, and
3. Source:Unknown - Believed to Be Dorothy (Hawkins) Lauer. Jacob Miller Family History.

None of these pages gives enough information for others to find this source again, and I was wondering if they might be the same as one of these existing pages

• Source:Miller, Jacob M. Family History of Noah P. Miller and Mary M. Swartzentruber or
• Source:Arnold, Verle M. Miller Family History : Descendants of Jacob Miller, 1805 - 1998.

Can you help us clear this up by providing more information on exactly what the source is and where it is located and how others might be able to access it? Once that is established, we can pick one of the pages above to be the final version and merge the others into it, in keeping with our policy of one page per source. Please feel free to reply here, so that we can keep all of the information together in the same thread. Thank you, --cos1776 19:43, 4 June 2017 (UTC)

No, the other Millers shown have no connection whatsoever to the Jacob Miller Family, of Wabash County, Indiana.

It appears that referring to the Jacob Miller documents over a period of years, at different times, I have provided differing data. Will combine those differing sources.

--White Creek 04:04, 6 June 2017 (UTC)

Port Washington Ohio to Adams Co. Indian [14 December 2012]

Thank you for your fine research and article on the Palatinate and the migration to Tuscarawas Co. and on to Northern Indiana. You supported and improved much of my theories on the why's and how's the Schug family settled in Berne,Adams Co, Indian. Is there a way I can follow your progress?

I downloaded my gedcom file in 2008 (with all it's warts)into We Relate. It is appears families from the same town (Baumholder) emigrated together and maintained the relationships. Schug, Rausch, Grimm, Conrad, Kirsch, Harth, Neumann. all ended up in Tuscarawas and moved on from there. Now I know some of the motivation. But why Tuscarawas?

Best Regards & Merry Christmas,

Charles Schug "SchugRSnapp"--SchugRSnapp 17:43, 14 December 2012 (EST)

Lanzers [26 February 2013]

Hi,

You should contact me. We may be able to help each other with our research. I know a lot about the Lanzers from Pfalz region who settled in Ohio.

Paul--Paul.Hart 09:48, 26 February 2013 (EST)

Friedrich (Frederic) Lohmeier, 1846-1936 [14 October 2013]

Hallo, my Name is Karl Lohmeier, living in Schleswig-Holstein. The northern Part of Germany. Please excuse my bad English. Friedrich Lohmeier is my Grand Grandfather. He was the brother of Christina and Sophie Lohmeier, Born at Cammer. He was soldier during the war between French and Germany in 1870/71. In 1889 he left Cammer with his wife and 12 children and bought a farm in Schleswig-Holstein. His oldest daughter Sophie stayed in Cammer and married in 1898 her husband Karl Prange. There have been a lot of Pranges in Cammer. He had twoo Brothers: Ernst 1849-1918 and Karl 1843-?. Friedrich and his wife owned a very samll farm in Cammer, but he spent much Money for the farm he baught. It were about 39.000,- Goldmark in 1889! Nobody knews, from whome he got so much Money. My email adress: k.lohmeier@t-online.de With best wishes to you your Karl Lohmeier--Carlo-H.Mayer 16:32, 14 October 2013 (UTC)

Lauer Family [13 February 2014]

Hello, I got your message on my TALK Page regarding the Lauer family. Regarding your re-naming Christian Lauer to "Hans" Lauer, we'd ask that you not make these changes in the future. This topic was discussed several months on the Naming Conventions Talk Page by the WeRelate Administrators. It is generally better to name persons by their PRIMARY name (how they are generally refered to in records) than their BIRTH NAME (or Baptismal Name). For instance, in many German families, they use Hans or Johann as a "pre-name" to their "actual name", as follows:

"Johan Adam" - would likely be refered to in records as "Adam", not "Johan", so Adam would be his "primary name" (in the name field), and "Johan Adam" would be listed in the "Birth/Baptismal Name" field, as an Alternate Name

"Johan Frederick" - would likely be refered to in records as "Frederick", not "Johan", so Frederick would be his "primary name" (in the name field), and "Johan Frederick would be listed in the "Birth/Baptismal Name" field, as an Alternate Name

"Johan George" - would likely be refered to in records as "George", not "Johan", so George would be his "primary name" (in the name field), and "Johan George" would be listed in the "Birth/Baptismal Name" field, as an Alternate Name.

And so on, etc.

The obvious reason for this is two-fold:

1. It helps to differentiate a families children. Otherwise, all of their male children will be "Johan" or in this case "Hans", which would likely not coincide with how they are listed in each of their records, and (2) also would help in searching for them in most search engines, which would not be able to differentiate between all male children with the same first (birth) name.

If you look at: Michael Lauer, I've changed his name field to coincide with the naming convention rules, listed above.

Hope this helps, thanks for your assistance and best regards,

Jim, Volunteer Administrator, WeRelate--Delijim 18:48, 29 January 2014 (UTC)

Actually, I find that very unprofessional as a genealogist and totally disagree with the idea that a person "usually" used his middle name.

I have a German ancestor who named all of his children with "Hubert" for a middle name and NONE of them used it, including his daughter Hubertina.

I have a German ancestor who is found in all the US records as HH. It was not until I found his baptism records that I learned his name was Heinrich Hubert at which point I found in immigration record as Heinrich. Should I just leave that off and place in HH for his name, because after he hit the US that is identifier he "most often" gives?

I have many, many more examples that I could give you where your "naming convention rules" are just wrong. This spans from different areas of Germany to different religions. What are you doing about Jewish German's who have no "baptismal" names?

Before you make rules how individuals should be naming their ancestors, I think you should read Arta F. Johnson's: The Origins, Development, and Meanings of German Names. You could also try some of Kenneth Smith’s Books: German Church Books: Beyond the Basics or German Names: A Practical Guide

Paul Hart, FUTURE Certified German Genealogist--Paul.Hart 11:45, 13 February 2014 (UTC)

Duplicate parents and spouses [29 sep 2019]

Hi, White Creek,

Recently you have been adding pages where you have two different persons with the same name as the parent or spouse of an individual, creating duplicate parents or marriages. It looks as if you are not quite sure which person with that name is the correct spouse or parent, so you add both of them. Person:Rosa Signs (1) is one recent example. You had her married to two different Jacob Eilers, only one of which was correct. You also had her son Cleo Franklin listed as the son of both Jacobs (not biologically possible), and her daughter Irma listed as the daughter of the wrong Jacob.

This really is not good practice. It would be much better if you could find additional information to help determine which person is the correct spouse or parent before adding information online. Given the place and time you are researching, you can probably find that information in the US Census, which give ages of individuals as well as other family members. As you can see from looking at the pages now, once you check the Census records, it is easy to see which Jacob was her husband and the father of her children. You can find the Census records on FamilySearch, which is a free database and relatively easy to use.

Hope this helps you sort out some of the uncertainties you have with the information you are researching. Gayel --GayelKnott 18:00, 26 September 2019 (UTC)

Duplicate Parents [27 September 2019] [copied from GayeKnott Talk page] Gayel,

Thanks for reminding me that I have wanted to send you a message for some time regarding the changing of some pages. At the moment, I have forgotten what they were, but I'm sure you made some good changes. Hopefully, in time I will get back to those...

For now, I wanted to respond to your message regarding the "duplicate entries". There are several reasons for this happening. One I don't catch the error at the time, but only find it later. Another is that when I do catch the duplicates, and follow the directions on the left side of the page for mergers, I keep getting instructions to check (or uncheck) the box under the name on the page. When I respond to the site it never responds back! I then save it to "later" in my mind, and then forget about it! Even if it worked, the WeRelate merger feature seems to be much more complicated than my Legacy Program. I have also noticed that when others change my duplicated data, often the result is an error also. Unfortunately, again I intend to return to the page, or notify someone (like you) but then forget. I hope you have an answer for me?

Of course, I have found that many of my sources have different parents, and they supply me with erroneous data too! I don't always catch the discrepancies until later! Usually, I note discrepancies, and show both (or multiple) data.

Another separate problem I have been having is on the pages. Often after I click onto "SAVE", the page takes forever to be recorded. That might not be a function of WeRelate, as they didn't have computers when I was in college, and I'm not an "expert"!

--White Creek 16:01, 27 September 2019 (UTC)

(Jim Lower)

Thanks for getting back to me, Jim. I can understand the frustration of working with a technology that we have had to learn later in life -- especially when it keeps changing. I do have a couple of suggestions, however.

• When you are trying to merge two pages, you do have to check the boxes under the names of both pages. The computer won't do anything at that point, you have to then click the button to merge the two pages. Checking the boxes is just a way to tell the computer what two pages to merge.
• Since you mention Legacy, I'm guessing you are recording your information there, as well. Again, for common names like John, Jacob, Catherine, etc., when it is not clear which John, Jacob, Catherine you are dealing with, it might be better to record it first in your Legacy program while you look for other sources that will help you sort out the correct person. As I mentioned earlier, Census records are a good source, and you can look at those on FamilySearch for free.
• If there is a discrepancy in your sources, this is another reason to look for other sources to help solve the problem. With your time period, there are usually a lot of different sources you can check. Even Find A Grave -- which is not always correct, but might offer some clues.
  Double posting is not a good idea, as the purpose of WeRelate is to avoid duplicate entries, creating only one page for each person or each family.
  (Well, hit the wrong button and saved this in the middle of the message! Will try to finish the message here.)

As for the slowness of saving a page, you are right, that is not a problem with WeRelate. I'm not sure what is causing the problem for you, but I do appreciate how frustrating it can be.

Gayel --GayelKnott 17:14, 27 September 2019 (UTC)

Hi Jim,

Here is Ron from Holland / The Netherlands.

I work with WeRelate since couple of years with much pleasure. My story is a little different from GayelKnott in that i love adding incomplete information and then see some expert picking up to add the incomplete. For me this is means contact, connection, another being alive in this vast universe called genealogy.

Hope this helps,

Warmest regards, Ron woepwoep 14:52, 28 September 2019 (UTC)

Hi

I have a suggestion for situations like the one for Rosa Signs. If you know she married a Jacob Eiler, but not which one, a more appropriate thing to do would be to create a family page for the marriage (add a spouse to Rosa Signs, creating family page Jacob Eiler and Rosa Signs). Then instead of adding a page for the husband, add a note to the family page saying that you don't know which Jacob Eiler this is, and link to the possible candidates (if you need help on this, Gayel or I could help). That way, there is a single family page (WeRelate standards), you have not committed to either Jacob being her husband, and you have also provided information that someone else might be able to resolve.

I would also note a couple of other things:

• If you are using multiple sources that have conflicting information, it might suggest that one or more of your sources reflects sloppy genealogy. I have certainly had this experience. Take a closer look to make sure that you are not just copying someone else's sloppy work. Of course, even good genealogists make mistakes, so this might not be the case - but do take a look.
• If you are posting incompletely researched data to WeRelate and hoping that someone else will fix it, be aware that this is more likely for records farther back in time, where there are more descendants interested in the same ancestors. Recent ancestors might or might not draw the attention of enough users to rely on crowd sourcing to fix the problems. So please do as Gayel suggested and try to do a bit more research before adding the data to WeRelate. If you are overwhelmed with incomplete/inconsistent data, consider putting out a request for a volunteer to help. No guarantees you will get a response, but you might.

Good luck with your data. If you need additional help with merge, please reach out. Sometimes it is hard to explain online but someone will give it a shot.--DataAnalyst 23:10, 28 September 2019 (UTC)

In addition...

I'm not saying you should add incomplete information at all costs. I am merely trying to get 'connection' across the table.

In my case, i specialize in 20 km around where i was born.

So i use the search function on the WR website to see who else is interested in the people born in this area.

And then use my skills to add to that person's information.

Thx R woepwoep 03:35, 29 September 2019 (UTC)

Hannah Jane Lower [10 June 2020]

Hey, I’m new to this and wanted to send a private message with suggested corrections but wasn’t sure how. I’m the great great great granddaughter of Hannah Jane Lower Haskett Stalcup and the name including spelling needs to be updated as well as the removal of discussion about her having an illicit relationship. I can send you more information but it’s not my intention to upset any of her former husbands relatives that are alive today.

Marisa Shute--Mo9191976 04:44, 9 June 2020 (UTC)

Marisa,

Thanks for your post! Good to hear from you! Yes, I would like to explore your data on Hannah Jane Lower. Jack Akerboom didn't have much about her, but it seems others did (or think they did?). If you would like to contact me directly, just send an e-mail to: HSAbroker9@aol.com

Thanks,

Jim Lower--White Creek 22:32, 10 June 2020 (UTC)

John Kreinhagen's Gravesite [5 August 2020]

Hi, Jim, on 31 July 2020 you wrote:

John Kreinhagen [31 July 2020]

Gayle,

Thanks for adding Donna's Find-a-grave data to John Kreinhagen's page. FYI: Donna is a serious researcher, and I know her well; but she made a little mistake here. The White Creek Methodist Church Cemetery is nowhere near COLUMBUS. It is in Jackson Township, a couple of townships southwest of Columbus, and about 3 miles east of Waymansville, Indiana. I have been there often. In fact, most burials there are related to me - and to Donna. Since the cemetery is out in the country, and there are already two cemeteries in Waymansville, I put the location in the correct geographical location - Jackson Township!

--White Creek 03:54, 31 July 2020 (UTC)

The information I added is from Find A Grave. I can understand your frustration over the location they give for White Creek Methodist Church Cemetery. I've noticed they often list the nearest town for the location of a cemetery that is a rural area, and as you say, the actual location may be some distance from the town. The do have a map showing the cemetery location, however, White Creek Methodist Church Cemetery map, and it looks much more like what you have described.

Hope this helps, Gayel --GayelKnott 23:39, 5 August 2020 (UTC)