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Nice work [1 April 2009]

Hi -- I've been merging some of our overlapping trees, and noticed you've done great work that's well-documented. I hope you'll get involved in monitoring your pages and getting them hooked into the benefits of WeRelate (merging with others, converting your sources to the discussion source pages). If you have any questions, feel free to let me know.--Amelia 13:58, 22 March 2009 (EDT)

Please check out some of the research I've done on the Flint family. I see you've got Thomas Flint b 1619 married to Ann Southwick but that's incorrect based upon the research I've done. Ann married John Southwick after Thomas Flint died.

Early Flints in New England

Four men by the name of Flint were among the founders of New England. They were Henry Flint, a clergyman, who came to Boston in 1635 and became minister of the church at Braintree, Mass. in 1640; his brother, Thomas Flint, who came in 1638 and settled in Concord, Mass.; another Thomas Flint who came to salem, Mass. in or before 1638 and his brother, William Flint, who came to salem probably about the same time, although the first mention of him on the records is in 1642. Henry of Braintree and Thomas of Concord came from the parish of Matlock in Derbyshire, England, while Thomas and William of Salem came from Wales. That these two sets of brothers had a common ancestor is probable, but what the relationship was, has never been learned.

Henry Flint, the minister at Braintree, married a sister of President Hoar of Harvard. His oldest son, Josiah, graduated from Harvard in 1664 and became minister of the church in Dorchester, Mass. Josiah died when a young man but left two children who became well known. These were Henry who graduated from Harvard in 1693 and who held the position of tutor at the college for fifty-five years, and Dorothy who married Edmund Quincy and by so doing became the first "Dorothy Q" of colonial history. It was this Dorothy who added to the famous mansion house at Quincy, now popularly known as the "Dorothy Q house", the two-story ell for the use of her brother, Tutor Flint.

Thomas flint, the emigrant ancestor, came to America, as tradition reports, from Wales, in Great Britain. The first mention made of him in the town records of Salem is in 1650; but there is reason to believe that he came to this country much earlier; and there is also some evidence to show that he had a mother here as early as 1642. he was among the first settlers of Salem Village, now South Danvers. The spot in the wilderness which he selected for his home is situated on the Salem and North Reading road, about six miles from the present Court House in Salem, and give miles from the town of North reading, and near Phelp's mill and brook. He acquired his land by purchase. the first deed to him on record, "containing one hundred and fifty acres of meadow and pasture land, and lying within the bounds of Salem," he bought Sept. 18, 1654, of John Pickering. The price paid for this land is not mentioned; but quite a good opinion can be formed of its value, from the fact that John Pickering, three years before, gave Mr. John Higginson thirteen pounds for the same land.

The second lot recorded, containing fifty acres, he purchased 1st January, 1662, of Robert Goodall, for which he paid twenty pounds sterling. It is described as situated in Salem, and as being "near upon a square," and bounded southerly by land of Henry Phelps, westerly by Phelps's Brook, and northerly and easterly by land of said Goodall. *

This farm of the old patriarch has always remained in the possession of his descendants. It is now occupied by the heirs of Elijah Flint (238), and may truly be called the old homestead, it having been in the family more than two hundred years. He died April 15, 1663. His wife's name was Ann. They had six children.

2. Thomas 3. Elizabeth, born April 30, 1650 4. George, born January 6, 1652 5. John, born October 3, 1655 6. Anna, born December 25, 1657; died April, 1663 7. Joseph, born 1662

• This deed was witnessed by Giles Cory, whose house stood upon land that after his death became a part of the Flint homestead. When eighty years of age, Cory fell a victim to the witchcraft delusion of 1692, by suffering, the cruel torture of being pressed to death - the first and the only instance of this barbarous punishment inflicted in New England.

Source: "Genealogical Record of the Descendants of Thomas Flint of Salem, With a Copy of the Wills and Inventories of the Estates of the First Two Generations" compiled by John Flint and John H. Stone - Andover: Printed by Warren F. Draper 1860

Thomas Flint of Concord has been characterized as a "man of wealth, talents and a Christian character." He took an active part, as shown by the town records, in the affairs of Concord until his death in 1653, holding important offices and using his wealth which appears to have been considerable, for the benefit of the town. He left many descendants.

William Flint of Salem was an active member of that community from 1642 until 1673. He accumulated considerable property in Salem in the section of the town where Flint Street now is. It is probably that his dwelling house stood near the corner of Flint and Essex Streets and that his sons and later descendants built homes in this vicinity. * According to one historian he, at one time, occupied the farm of Emanuel Downing at Salem Village. The settlement of his estate in 1673 shows that he left a widow, two sons, Edward and Thomas, and three daughters, all living in Salem. Another daughter was married and living in England. An interesting item which indicates the status of the family is found in the early records where it is stated that in 1652, Alice, daughter of William Flint, was arraigned before the Essex County Court for wearing a silk hood, but on proving that her father was worth two hundred pounds, was discharged.

Thomas Flint of Salem, the fourth of the early Flints in New England, was the immigrant ancestor on the line whose record follows.

Thomas Flint of Salem

Thomas Flint [1], the first of the family with which this record is concerned, came, according to tradition, from Wales, in or before 1638. He was made a freeman of Salem in March of that year. It is probably that he lived in Salem in March of that year. It is probably that he lived in Salem for a short time but it is impossible now to be sure of the location of his first residence. The map of Salem in 1700 marks the site of a Thomas Flint house on Essex Street near the corner of Summer Street and it is possible that this was the earliest Flint house in Salem. The fact that iw as nearly opposite the ancient house still standing on the corner of Essex and North Streets and known as the Witch House is at least an indication that there may be truth in this theory, for the Witch House has been called also the Roger Williams House and there is a family tradition that the earliest Flint house stood near that or Roger Williams.

Thomas Flint did not however remain long in Salem Town but was one of a small group who very early moved out into the wilderness some six miles beyond the original settlement and founded what was known as Salem Village. Thomas increased his first property in the new village by a purchase in 1654 and another in 1662. The homestead which he established remained in the family for generations and the farm provided sites for the homes of a number of his descendants. In April 1663 Thomas and his five year old daughter Anna died and it is probable that theirs were the first graves in the ancient family burial place on a hilltop in the fields back of the site of the old house.

Of Ann, the wife of Thomas nothing is known except that when she made her will in 1668, five years after her husband's death, she was the wife of John Southwick (Sutherick)

• Data concerning this family is given in the New England Historical and Genealogical Register of 1860, Vol, 14, and in pamphlet entitled "The Flint Genealogy" by J. Lawrence Bass.

Source: "A supplement to the Genealogical register of the descendants of Thomas Flint of Salem"--Sandyebauer 12:56, 31 March 2009 (EDT)

Great work on the Flint family!--tclough 07:24, 1 April 2009 (EDT)

Merging [28 March 2009]

Hi Tclough,

Great to see you merging. One tip, please always merge into the lower numbered page. It helps us tell if there are potential duplicates of the couple (or person, if a unique name) already in the system. (This is the reason behind my changes to the Lincolns.) Thanks.--Amelia 11:11, 28 March 2009 (EDT)

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Robert Allen and Unknown 5 - ? Merge [12 May 2009]

Hello Tclough,

I noticed your "Family:Robert Allen(1608-1683) and Unknown (5)" .

Could they possibly be the same as "Family:Robert Allyn(@1616-1683) and Sarah(1)".

I and User:familytree (seems to be gone now) could have incorrect information.

I do not know if they are the same. I am slowly re finding, and unpacking my sources.

Could you please look and determine if they are the same?

If not could you please add the no merge command, or send me a message that you are requesting a no merge command.

Thank You, Debbie Freeman --DFree 16:07, 12 May 2009 (EDT)

Mehitable Flint - 1 & 2 [6 July 2009]

Hello,

Do you know how many Mehitable Flint's there are in the Flint genealogy? It looks possible that the two WeRelate Mehitable Flint's are the same? Do you have access to the following:

The "Genealogical Register of the Descendants of Thomas Flint of Salem" by John Flint and Warren H Stone, published in 1860 pages 28 & 59" ?

I located on Goggle Books - searching for Jasper Parish or Zebulon Parish to locate these sources.

I have found the following:

In the book "The genealogy and history of the John Kimball Parish family of Randolph, Vermont, page 8 & 9" has a Mehetable Flint getting married on 2 Feb 1773 to Jacob Parish born 30 Jan 1752 (old Style) 11 Feb 1752 (New Style) Died 1838, son of Zebulon Parish. Page 9 says Mehetable Flint born 18 June 1753 at Windham and her Death 14 Sept 1832.

In the book "The Vermont Historical Gazetteer: Vol 2?, page ? has Jacob Parish death as 1838, wife death in 1832 book is published in 1871.

what do you think? --DFree 15:43, 6 July 2009 (EDT)

Clough, Mark Steven [1 June 2012]

Hello Tom,

I wanted to say hello and I hope all is well! I'm the Grandson of this Clough. Roland Randolph Clough who married Judy Slater. Slater was her mother's maiden name--Mark Steven Clough 18:17, 1 June 2012 (EDT)

William Walling & Louisa Clough's children [21 January 2018]

Hi Tclough.

I've been researching this family some, and have found two different letters by Addie Walling MacPherson, one written in 1886 and the other in 1891, giving her birthdate as August 14, 1867. Since Person:William_Walling_(4) gives her birthdate as before 1870, I thought I'd pass it on.

According to her obituary, she died in 1956. According to May's obituary, she died in 1953. According to the 1900 census, May was born in January 1870. According to Addie's 1891 letter, May was born on Jan. 31, 1870.

Burt is a little puzzling. According to maybe three censuses, he should have been born around 1862, as Person:William_Walling_(4) states. But the 1900 census says he was born in 1864, and was 35 at the time. (Since it says his dad was born in Vermont and his mom in Maine, and he in Colorado, I would think it's the same Bert Walling.) And his death certificate, which lists his mother as Louise Clough, and his father as Herbert B Walling, born in Vermont, gives his birthdate as March 12, 1864. So I don't know what to say is his correct birthdate.

But the real reason I am writing to you is a different question. Person:William_Walling_(4) gives a son by the name of Edward, who is said to be born about 1867. Is the only source of this info the 1870 census? If so, I wonder if the male Edward in that census is really the female Addie. Either that or Edward died young. In 1934 May Walling recorded memories of her life, and said that in September 1872 she was two years old and lived with her parents, W.B. Walling and Louise Clough Walling, her brothers Fred and Burt, and baby Elmer, nine months old.

She didn't mention Edward at all in that document, and so I'm wondering if there ever was an Edward. Edward was 3 in the 1870 census, but then Addie was 63 in the 1930 census, and 73 in the 1940 census. The 1870 census also lists Fred and Burt, and an unnamed 4 month old which would have to be May, but no Addie.

And so I'm wondering if Edward was a different child than Addie and died young, or if Edward and Addie are the same child, with the census taker getting her name and gender wrong.

Would you have any suggestions? Do you know who might know?--Bpickle 13:39, 21 January 2018 (UTC)