User talk:Rdmorrow


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MURRAY FAMILY OF GOVERNOR JEREMIAH MORROW OF OHIO [10 December 2011]

Hi Richard,

I am the Admin of the Murray surname project at Family Tree DNA. We have a number of men already in our yDNA research project who may be related to Governor Jeremiah Morrow, who was actually the son of a Murray. Do you know the details regarding his lineage? If not I can forward on to you. According to some historical records in Ohio Jeremiah Morrow was related to the family of Edwin Porch Morrow, and his father Thomas Zantzinger Morrow- both well known in early U.S. Political circles. Here is the link to Edwin's WIKI bio: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edwin_P._Morrow


Descendants of these men are already participants in the Murray & Morrow yDNA projects with Family Tree DNA.

Could you please advise your Kit Number and I shall also follow up for you, to see if there are any matching families already within the project, especially if related to the above mentioned. If you did not test with Family Tree DNA, please also note that it is now possible to import results from other Labs into the FTDNA database.


Cheers Alexandrina Murray--Alexandrina 03:27, 25 November 2011 (EST)

Forgot:

Here is more data regarding the alleged relationship between this family & Governor Jeremiah Morrow.

Please see the actual WIKI entry for more details however, you will need to do your own research though as Wiki entries need scrutiny.

" Thomas Morrow was born in Boyle County, Kentucky September 3, 1836.[1]Ward, p. 221</ref> He was one of six children born to Alexander S. and Margaret (Boyd) Morrow.[2] His paternal grandparents emigrated from Scotland to Pennsylvania before the Revolutionary War.[3] One branch of the family migrated to the American Midwest; from this branch came Jeremiah Morrow, U.S. Senator and governor of Ohio.[4]

Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_Z._Morrow

Alexandrina Murray--Alexandrina 03:35, 25 November 2011 (EST)--Alexandrina 05:02, 25 November 2011 (EST)


Hi Alexandrina,

It is very nice to hear from you. I would like to get involved with the Morrow DNA project. My DNA results are not from Family Tree but from the National Geographic. If you can import the DNA results into the FTDNA Database will be great. MY GPID ID Number is FW467AL336. The National Geographic Website is www.nationalgeographic.com/genographic. I hope this helps. Any questions you may reach me direct via enginstprof@yahoo.com or call me at 787.439.5938. Thanks for your support and best wishes.

Richard--Rdmorrow 09:06, 9 December 2011 (EST)


Hi Richard,

All done; have sent email to you. Please update your personal webpage on Family Tree DNA now. Have sent login details & Password etc.

There are about 9-10 matches with Murray & Morrow men at y12 so please don't be confused by the 450+ other matches with various surnames. Have a good look on the results sheet along with your new Kit Number- have emailed that along with the other info.

Please let me know if you need any further help. Have set up Murray & Morrow surname projects for you as well. Please add any more at any time, there are a lot of interesting ones including the Macquaries and the Hawkins family.

Cheers for now Alexandrina--Alexandrina 10:36, 9 December 2011 (EST)


Copying this across from Amelia Gerlicher's user page Richard.

Comment by Alexandrina Murray

Jeremiah Murray Senior was the Grand Father of Governor Jeremiah Morrow. That Jeremiah was born 1711 circa in Londonderry Ireland, and according to various sources was a relative of Adam Murray -hero of Londonderry. That Adam Murray is definitely of Philiphaugh in Selkirk Scotland and his father was Gideon Murray b. 1618 Edinburgh, son of James Murray of Deuchar and Bethia Maule. The Philiphaugh connection is noted on Adam's memorial tombstone and there are also old ballads & songs commemorated in his name stating that he was descended from the Murrays of Philiphaugh.

Adam was born 1650 circa and it seems died 1711 circa. The battle for Londonderry was during the 1680's and his father Gideon b.1618 Edinburgh was still alive then, and was taken hostage at the time. Adam had brothers , one of whom was named James, and another Robert. The father of Jeremiah Murray senior is not known however is said to descend from this family, and those records stating this connection apparently came from the Governor's family. I shall search my archives over the Christmas break and let you know where this was published.

The Philiphaugh Murray family is represented in our Murray yDNA project, along with another participant who is descended from the Murrays of Murraythwaite & Cockpool, relations of the Philiphaugh Murrays who are matching @ y67 & those participants also match Governor Edwin Porch Morrow's descendant-therefore it is reasonable to extrapolate the possibilities that there may be some truth to this anecdotal evidence after all.

1. Adam Murray b.1640c family are of Philiphaugh. 2. Governor Jeremiah Morrow is a Murray said to be descended from Adam Murray's line of Philiphaughs. 3. Governor Edwin Porch Morrow's family state they are related to Governor Jeremiah Morrow. 4. Gov. Edwin Porch Morrow's yDNA matches Murrays' also of Philiphaugh & therefore also related to Adam Murray of Londonderry.

Richard should participate in the yDNA research under the Morrow Surname project if he wishes to confirm /deny this possible link. If he matches the Gov. Edwin Porch Morrow descendant then he will certainly move further along the path to finding his ancestors than where he is at now.

The Philiphaugh Murrays were not in any way 'British Gentry' but were rather in the main of the merchant class during the era under discussion- By 1767 they were bankrupt and departed for Colonial America in order to give their children a chance at rebuilding their Merchant class status. I cannot see any reason for our colonial American forefathers to boast a lineage to this particular Philiphaugh family , nor to usurp arms etc, as they were not very well known at all reputation wise, even within Scotland let alone North America. It was the Athol Murrays & Tullibardine Murrays on the other hand who had the prestigious, or infamous- reputation, depending how you look at the evidence; regarding the Murray surname.

Hope that helps a little any way. The connection to Governor Jeremiah may or may not be solid as far as Richard's family is concerned, however if it was a genetic from link 400+ years ago, and not from 18th-19th century at all, then legend in the family may be the only silken thread holding this memory together, and the only way to sort it all out is via yDNA testing.

Cheers

Alexandrina Murray Murray Surname Project Admin. FTDNA--Alexandrina 05:27, 9 December 2011 (EST)

I am adding sources as per above.

LIBRARY IRELAND- Quote:From The Governor of OHIO in 1890 SOURCE: THE SCOTCH-IRISH IN OHIO

By Hon. James E. Campbell, Governor of Ohio.

Taken from "The Scotch-Irish in America: Proceedings and Addresses of the Second Congress at Pittsburg, Pennsylvania, May 29 to June 1, 1890."

Governor:

Of his early guidance the people of Ohio are gratefully indebted. Many of his ablest successors in the gubernatorial chair were of the race whose deeds we celebrate to-day. One of the earliest and most noted was Jeremiah Morrow, whose ancestors figured at the seige of Londonderry. He was the first, and for ten years, the sole representative in the Federal Congress from the newly admitted State of Ohio. While serving there he originated the idea of the Cumberland road, whose benefits to the traffic of that early day can not be measured, and was active in all internal improvements. Subsequently he became United States senator, and governor, and lived to the age of eighty-one, venerated and loved by the entire people of the state. Henry Clay said: "No man in the sphere within which he acted ever commanded, or deserved, the implicit confidence of Congress more than Jeremiah Morrow. A few artless, but sensible words, pronounced in his plain Scotch-Irish dialect, were always sufficient to secure the passage of any bill or resolution which he reported."

http://www.libraryireland.com/ScotchIrish/Ohio1.php--Alexandrina 06:48, 9 December 2011 (EST)


Cheers for now Alexandrina--Alexandrina 10:36, 9 December 2011 (EST)Amelia & Richard,--Alexandrina 22:10, 9 December 2011 (EST)