, it is a lovely idea in itself; we must give the matter thought. The audience would likely come to include the descendants from the great migration waves; therefore: for them: in English as well. vriendelijke groeten, Leo
Hi, no the National Archive [formerly: Algemeen Rijksarchief] functions as state archive for the province Z-H. The other thing is some historical centre I had never even heard of.........well,.......considered myself an educated guy, well, well..........:)
groeten Leo --Leo Bijl 08:02, 16 March 2009 (EDT)
Educated guy you are! Thank you for catching my question!
You've caught all of them, did the city names for you. Leeuwarden doesn't seem to link back to the portal, unless I looked over
It's nothing, just overlooked that it is a list of a few hundred; and it's the one at the very end :) --Leo Bijl 09:25, 16 March 2009 (EDT)
Noticed that Haarlem was already there, including adress and phonenumber; must we do that for all? Extra work and it is evident from the websites I would say (besides, things change over the years). leo
Leo Bijl 09:04, 16 March 2009 (EDT)
No, I only enter the Place and URL - I skip the phone number & address (for the same reasons that you describe).--Jennifer (JBS66) 09:13, 16 March 2009 (EDT)
Waterkoeler [17 mrt 2009]
Sounds funny:), I've heard of wine/wijnkoeler leo --Leo Bijl 09:42, 16 March 2009 (EDT)
I moved over your comment, since we probably don't want to create a Waterkoeler page :)
Sounds like it doesn't translate too well! Watercooler is meant as a place where office workers stand around and gossip - though standing around the wijnkoeler at work sounds like fun! --Jennifer (JBS66) 09:56, 16 March 2009 (EDT)
Nice! Time for a drink. What of "forum" then or something (less imaginative, I admit). Leo
Don't remember what made me do that; suppose it must have been the wijnkoeler :). Better delete the empty one.
Now, I'm going to admit, I'm confused! I've seen s-Gravenhage, The Hague, Den Haag - are there any other things you call this city???--Jennifer (JBS66) 10:27, 16 March 2009 (EDT)
Fun! 's-Gravenhage is the official name but we always say Den Haag, even institutions do (the Library even, and the Queen, I take it). What made me choose for The Hague at first, was that WR is international (French: La Haye, etc) and that 's-Gr. wouldn't mean anything to anyone.
groetjes, Leo (flooded with emails, lol)
You sure you don't want to change the preference that sends you an e-mail every time a watched page is changed? Don't want you to start getting annoyed or anything! :~) --Jennifer (JBS66) 12:12, 16 March 2009 (EDT)
No Jennifer dear, not at all, it's quite allright. I enjoy the messages crossing the ocean at lightspeed. The cat annoys me, 'cause his food has run out, so I am off now. Love to see the project expanding. groeten, Leo --Leo Bijl 12:25, 16 March 2009 (EDT)
CBG and Royal Library [17 mrt 2009]
There is this one for the box general research
leo--Leo Bijl 10:01, 16 March 2009 (EDT)
And then there is our national pride, the Royal Library: http://www.werelate.org/wiki/Repository:Koninklijke_Bibliotheek--Leo Bijl 10:16, 16 March 2009 (EDT)
doesn't seem to work, this then: http://www.kb.nl/
You did make a page for the Repository:Koninklijke Bibliotheek (when you reference an internal link, you don't need the whole URL). Ooh - I'm going to have to spend some time at this website!
This is a nice one: (and some 70 hits for Swart btw)
Combined effort of regional newspapers. It is a collection of digitalised obituaries, starting 2006, daily updated. I have a page for it. Leo--Leo Bijl 11:46, 16 March 2009 (EDT)
Dutch Forum [16 March 2009]
Dallan gave his OK for us to create a Dutch language version of the Watercooler (so now the local gossip can take place away from your User Page!). Like the Main Watercooler, it would be a page "for discussing anything you want to discuss unless it relates only to a single page."
I'm thinking maybe the title: WeRelate talk:Forum (Dutch). However, I believe I err here. If this were a French forum, I would title it WeRelate talk:Forum (Français), so would WeRelate talk:Forum (Nederlands) be more accurate? So in the end, we'd create a language specific watercooler instead of a country specific one.
Also, feel free to give me your opinions... (like do you think this concept will catch on?)
Vriendelijke groeten (without using a translator, this looks like friendly greetings).--Jennifer (JBS66) 15:19, 16 March 2009 (EDT)
featured [16 March 2009]
I think "Uitgelicht" wouldn't be a bad candidate. The verb uitlichten = lift out something, set apart from the rest, so as to focus attention to it. Uitgelicht being perfect participle
How delightfully charming of you to take one of mine.
vriendelijke groeten (you translated it without any assistance, bravo for the USA lady) Leo--Leo Bijl 16:33, 16 March 2009 (EDT)
My goodness, you're really fast!. Leave out the word 'pagina', it doesn't combine, forgot to mention, so sorry. Leo
I was already working on the page when you left the note on the talk page - so, I'm not that fast. Don't be sorry!--Jennifer (JBS66) 18:41, 16 March 2009 (EDT)
Onderzoekslinks [17 mrt 2009]
Onderzoekslinks would do better.[-s = genetive suffix]. Like German my language is one of the champions in making long words, whereas English follows Romance languages in separation.--Leo Bijl 18:28, 16 March 2009 (EDT)
discussieforum [18 March 2009]
discussion forum = discussieforum
helping out = hulp gevraagd [no capital g there]
date...well, mar. would be English; we say maart, abbrev. mostly mrt. [when and if we use that, which we rarely do]; then there is mei/may, which has no abbrev.
But is it really a matter of relevance; the names being international, at least for the western world, as far as I know. And only these two differ slightly.
Personally nowadays, I am gradually switching over to the American notation: 1900.01.01, being jan. first--Leo Bijl 18:55, 16 March 2009 (EDT) I was able to find this wording in a new Help:Date Conventions page: "The preferred format of dates is DD MMM YYYY. For example, 14 Sep 1753". I know that to avoid confusion and for future implementation of GEDCOM uploads, we want to encourage a standard. As it says in the Help "Dates should never be given in numeric form, as there is far too much ambiguity inherent in these forms. If the record of the event uses numeric dates, it should be converted and entered in the form above." (Sorry - I didn't write it!)
Perhaps changing the portal text to read (that is if I've translated correctly!): Datum: dag maand jaar: 19 mrt 1874 (small m for mrt?)
Then, I was going to discuss Source titling conventions! I had brought up the issue elsewhere that I believe the way we title book sources does not seem international friendly. WR wants "title case"(Capitalize everything except articles (a, an, the) and prepositions (of, to, above, for, etc.) instead of "sentence case" (Capitalize first letter and proper nouns). Do you think this is something that warrants mentioning on the portal?
'Jennifer, do I take it correctly that with 'everything' they actually mean this:
"The History of a Cup of Hot Boiled Tea Without Sugar in the Rural Areas of France And Germany in the Early Nineteenth Century" ; including the copulativum 'and'. :)
Whereas -quote!- Library of Congress: De invloed van het heliumisotoop met massa 3 op de eigenschappen van vloeibaar helium II. Beenakker, Joannes Joseph Maria, 1926- | 1954] | text Leo --Leo Bijl 17:25, 17 March 2009 (EDT)
' Thank you for the translations! Until later. --Jennifer (JBS66) 07:11, 17 March 2009 (EDT)
Goodness Leo, surely you jest! Tea without sugar??? The thought makes me cringe! Then, you go from talking about tea - to helium isotopes - to the most interesting word I have ever seen to describe the conjunction (and) - Leo, I believe I'm dizzy! ;-) Let me start a new heading below for this most interesting - and complicated discussion.--Jennifer (JBS66) 06:35, 18 March 2009 (EDT)
The subject of how to capitalize a book title... The rules are about as complicated as - well - the English language! Here is a primer on it Wikipedia:wikibooks:Basic_Book_Design/Capitalizing_Words_in_Titles.
So, let's see, in your example I think you only erred with - and...
Mention the issue around here and you'll witness the ruffling of feathers - and encounter resistance like ... oh I don't know, trying to move a boulder up hill maybe? Am I wrong?? I thought your second example is more internationally appropriate. You can't even attribute it to being a foreign language title, because the LOC has all their titles like that.
I could very much enjoy a lively debate about this, but I fear it's for naught. I'm told it's more an issue of computer programming. Apparently it is easier to program the system to NOT capitalize certain "special" words (hmmm does that include all the foreign language versions of these words too). With the sentence case/LOC way - the computer would have to be smart enough to know what a Proper Noun is.--Jennifer (JBS66) 10:15, 18 March 2009 (EDT)
forum etc [17 March 2009]
Het Nederlandse (mind –e here, adj. here declines) discussieforum is bedoeld om alles wat je wilt met elkaar te bespreken, tenzij dat het betrekking heeft op één enkele pagina. Heb je een vraag of opmerking over een specifieke persoon of familie, laat dan op die betrokken pagina een bericht achter.
(ps : is ‘discussing what you want to discuss’ fair English, same verb twice}
Abbr. b.v. is correct. Also: bijv.
Capital letters for months and days have become obsolete.
Till later Jennifer, I’ ll be back on the other matters. Vr. Groeten. Leo--Leo Bijl 08:12, 17 March 2009 (EDT)
forgot this one:
Naams- yes, because it is not a loose word; it's a genetive case and the primary component has been moved towards the end
or you might also go for: Naams- en datumgebruik [gebruik = usage]--Leo Bijl 08:30, 17 March 2009 (EDT)
next to province: nederland without -s; nederlands is an adject. whereas nederland is a noun
true, it escaped my attention, saw it afterwards
well, how lovely, more to come then as we go; and you are such a talented student! bravo! Leo
Salut, Hello, Hallo Leo en anderen [17 mrt 2009]
van Nicolette, from Nicky, or whatever. Seems you haven't decided on a language yet...it's all the same to me English, Dutch, French...:)
Bye, see you later, Toedeloe, et Chiao!
Nicolette: Brongers, Bijl, Eikenberg, de Vries, Riemersma, Land, de Vries, van der Veen (That's one circle in the wagon wheel...)--Nicolette 05:05, 17 March 2009 (EDT)
Hello Nicolette - Welcome! --Leo Bijl 10:17, 17 March 2009 (EDT)
wargraves [18 mrt 2009]
including a database: slachtofferregister [register of warvictims]--Leo Bijl 18:03, 17 March 2009 (EDT)
Leo. hartelijk dank ! Eindelijk heb ik alle gegevens van mijn oom Dirk Bakker, broer van mijn grootmoeder, kunnen vinden. Hij sneuvelde in 1942 in de Indische Oceaan en kreeg een zeemansgraf.--Bergsmit 03:22, 18 March 2009 (EDT)
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