Talk:Settlement of Gravesend, Long Island

I thought a link to or info from this site: A 'Dangerous' 1600s Woman might be helpful or appropriate. Religious dissenter Lady Deborah Moody set a precedent when she founded Gravesend. There's an interesting layout of the village. It is under copyright, but perhaps someone could get permission to use the map. --Janiejac 12:40, 2 March 2008 (EST)

Thank you! I appreciate the comment and the interest. I'm familiar with the site you pointed to, and have used it for getting an overview of some points. Its a helpful site. Most of the web references given for this article are intended for short term purposes, and will be deleted when the article is finished. The reason being that web sources, such as the Newsday site, are at best ephemeral; I've no interest in maintaining pointers to sites that are not likely to be around long term---or for which the information content can be expected to change periodically. So, I include links to such sites for the moment, as the article develops, as a matter of personal convenience, but expect to delete them once the article approaches conclusion. At your suggestion I'll add the NewsDay link, at least for the moment.
The Source and MySource references, however, will remain since they are to works that are fixed, and can be readily located--either on the web or in a physical library. Most of these sources include "electronic sources" where the interested reader can follow up. Usually I use something like a Google Books, or Project Gutenburg link. Sometimes an Ancestry or Heritage link if I can't find it elsewhere. (I try to avoid those links, since access requires a subscription---paid or otherwise, so would be difficult for some readers to make use of. Still, if a particular item is there, and can't be found elsewhere, I link to it on a basis of "either this or nothing."
With respect to the Gravesend map, the original is long out of copyright, and so fair game for reuse. I'm not likely, however, to go to Long Island, and take a photograph of the original, so will eventual use an image that's already been made by someone else. Such are found in many locations, such as the one you point to, but the trick is to find a location where it's not been sequestered---say by a licensing restriction. Slapping "copyright" on a version of something out of copyright probably has no legal basis for restricting others use of such an image. (No lawyer, but if you consider a hand-drawn map to be a work of art, I believe the circumstance has been tested in court. Bridgeman vs. Corel probably covers this. Text probably works the same way, but has not been tested as far as I know.) However, there is a matter of common courtesy, and its probably possible to find a non-restricted version of this map....I just haven't seriously looked for it as yet. The map (diagram is more like it) is simple enough, and it's also easy enough to recreate it manually, rather than using a photocopy of the image.
Thanks again!! Bill 13:30, 2 March 2008 (EST)
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