Person talk:Pieter Wyckoff (2)

Wikipedia link [29 December 2012]

I've updated the Wikipedia page, however the original text is unchanged here. Is there a delay in updating, or is there some action necessary to get the Wikipedia text here? I tried removing and reinstating the link while editing, to no effect.--Ggpauly 18:43, 19 October 2012 (EDT)

Yes, there is a delay in updating. The data from WP>WR is refreshed a couple of times per year. In the meantime, you could, if you wish, edit the WR template that contains the WP text. This will be overwritten with the newest WP text with the next update. If you Edit the Pieter Wyckoff page, at the bottom are Template links. Click on the Template:Wp-Pieter Claesen Wyckoff. The text in this template can then be edited. --Jennifer (JBS66) 14:16, 2 November 2012 (EDT)

Thanks again Jennifer, you're an excellent guide to the mysteries of WeRelate. I found & updated the template. -George

George, sorry but I ended up completely deleting the Wikipedia article that you had linked. I pretty much just rewrote the whole page and couldn't figure out how to incorporate/edit what you had. Hope it meets your approval. Now maybe we can add to it as time goes by. Renee Dauven--Renee Dauven 18:59, 29 December 2012 (EST)

Parents of Pieter Claesen [25 November 2012]

Is there a reason why no one has removed Claes Cornelissen and spouse as the parents of Pieter? It has been awhile since I worked on this line but the last that I had, it seemed that Charles Hoppin's "The Washington Ancestry" had pretty much disproven the idea that Pieter Claesen's father was Claes Cornelisen van Schow. Is that still correct?

If all agree, should that information be removed from the page?

Renee Dauven--Renee Dauven 20:31, 24 November 2012 (EST)

What is the best way to do this? [4 December 2012]

This page needs desperately to be changed. The claim that Pieter Claessen Wyckoff was the son Claes Cornelisen and Margaret Van Der Goes was shown to be incorrect by Charles Hoppin in his work "The Washington Ancestry" in the 1930's. However, the older version has been extremely pervasive and difficult to change.

It seems to me that more needs to be done than just delete and delink, however. It will also require some explanation. I am not really sure that a possibly lengthy discussion of the evidence, or the lack of it, belongs on the main person page. Is there a mechanism for creating another page? Or does that sort of thing have to go here on the talk page?

Secondly, I am wondering if it is advisable to keep some of that incorrect information as an "alternative theory" type of page (and how would that be done?) so that a user who is not familiar with the situation would have a chance to compare their own information with that which has already been shown to be incorrect.

Any suggestions or advice?--Renee Dauven 13:08, 4 December 2012 (EST)

I can't offer any specific advice or help but I simply wanted to say "Thank You!" for taking on this important challenge. For starters, you might add some external links of interest. I have some associated with Pieter Claesen on my website, www.perrystreeter.com, and let me know if you need help finding them (perry@streeter.com).--Streeter 13:59, 4 December 2012 (EST)

Perry, thanks for the suggestion. I just spent some happy time exploring some of the links and think that there is definitely material that will prove useful. The emails from Howard Hickman with the bio is most interesting. Since the email was sent to the Wyckoff list in 1996, I am assuming that this is from Vol. 1 of the 3rd ed. However, it seems to be very close to the material given on pages 1 and 2 of vol. 2. I'll have do a closer examination to be sure but since I don't have access to vol. 1, this is going to be very helpful. I will also be studying the Williamson material again as I just recently realized that I also have William Williamson (Gerrit) and Mayken Pieters on my own tree.--Renee Dauven 16:49, 4 December 2012 (EST)

Bare bone bio [30 December 2012]

The page is now pretty bare bones but perhaps with the big step taken of getting rid of the incorrect information, others will be encouraged to begin to add more new material, sources, etc.--Renee Dauven 19:02, 29 December 2012 (EST)

[2 February 2013]

[1]

AKTE VAN TRANSPORT, DOOR JACOB VAN NORDINGEN, PENSIONARIS VAN DE STAD WEESP, AAN CLAES JANSZ VAN NORDINGEN, PRESIDENT-BURGEMEESTER ALDAAR, VAN EEN HUIS EN ERVE AAN DE NOORDZIJDE VAN DE SLIJKSTRAAT TE WEESP, 9 MEI 1636. MET OUDERE TITEL, 7 APRIL 1633.

what to think about this ?

--henk 16:28, 1 February 2013 (EST)

I am not literate in Dutch but when I look at this item within the context of other items related to it...

http://www.archiefalkmaar.nl/collecties/archieven/archieven/ead/index/eadid/10.6.4.037/node/c01%3A0./nodes/YToyOntpOjA7czo2OiJjMDE6NS4iO2k6MTtzOjY6ImMwMTo1LiI7fQ%3D%3D#c01:0.

...I don't see any reason to think this would relate Pieter's father. Thanks for looking!

Also, Weesp is adjacent to Naarden so I am not confident that Nordigen is an alternate name for Norden in this case.

--Streeter 16:46, 1 February 2013 (EST)

With this I wanted to show that the name van Nordingen existed as a name in the Netherlands, late 1500, early 1600, in fact in the late 1500's there was a Diederick van Nordingen (Nordinghe) who was a Dutch Representative in Emden [2] --henk 09:36, 2 February 2013 (EST)