Person talk:Jan Schanssema (1)

Problem [12 January 2013]

This John Lesterhuis was born after his "father's" death --henk 14:51, 6 December 2012 (EST)

Yes, that could be a problem. I do know for sure the date of birth on the John Lesterhouse I am doing is 1858. I looked at the tombstone today. Maybe it is a different Klaas lesterhuis and those dates are wrong, on Findagrave.com i have death date of 1927 for Klaas but no birth year. I have yet to find that tombstone.--Parkave777 15:01, 6 December 2012 (EST)

got 'm: http://www.allegroningers.nl/index.php?task=persoon_detail&option=com_genealogie&Itemid=54&akte_id=2328717;

the mother had children after her husband's death, but there seems to be a Julle Jans Lesterhuis present at this birth and the other ones

--henk 15:25, 6 December 2012 (EST)

Nice find Henk! I was looking earlier at AG for Pieter Lesterhuis & Sybes Schanssema being the father of Klaas but hadn't found a connection to this John. We'll need to add another family page for Unknown and Sybes (Sijben?) Schanssema and rename John to his birth name with John Lesterhouse as an immigrant name. --Jennifer (JBS66) 15:41, 6 December 2012 (EST)

Pieter Jans en Julle Jans were twin brothers!

yes, thanks again. I have been entering this info. from word of mouth by my mother and from written info. that my grandmother had kept along with other research. I don't belong to pay research sites so I am limited in what I can find so everything you are doing is greatly appreciated--Parkave777 15:49, 6 December 2012 (EST)

well, I don't pay for research sites either ;-) and when you want to know something about people from Groningen (or Friesland), just let us know :-)--henk 15:54, 6 December 2012 (EST)

hehe, you and I were in an edit conflict :-) I was going to say the majority of the resources that Henk and I are using are free. For research in the Netherlands, there is http://www.allegroningers.nl (for your Groningen ancestors) and http://www.genlias.nl for general research. There is also http://www.familysearch.org for U.S. records. I will second Henk's statement - if you have any questions at all, just ask! --Jennifer (JBS66) 15:58, 6 December 2012 (EST)

same thoughts again! ;-) but 1 correction www. genlias. nl won't be available anymore: https://www.wiewaswie.nl/ is the new site --henk 16:01, 6 December 2012 (EST)

Yes, that fact slipped my mind. Maybe it was wishful thinking that genlias would stay around ;-) --Jennifer (JBS66) 16:05, 6 December 2012 (EST)

OK...I am very confused now. So if Jan Schanssema was the father of Dina, Fred, Sam & Richard why would they have ended up with the last name Lesterhouse? Was it because Sijben had the children after the death of Pieter and was not remarried? Is that why these 2 Children Jan & Hilje have the Schanssema last name? Why wouldn't they have had the Lesterhuis name? Once the Husband (Pieter)died did Sijben go back to her madden name? I am just confused on why the name would be different. Thanks in advance--Parkave777 12:59, 9 December 2012 (EST)

It is a confusing situation. Historically, a woman in the Netherlands continues to use her maiden name even after she is married (at least on official documents. Henk could better describe what happens in other situations). When she has a child out of wedlock (even if she is a widow), the child will assume her surname. Pieter Lesterhuis was definitely not the father of Jan and Hilje, but Sijben was apparently still close to the family (with Pieter's twin brother "declaring" the births). Also, a half-brother of Jan (Klaas) came to the U.S. with the Lesterhuis surname. Lesterhuis is a lot easier to pronounce than Schanssema, so ease of use may have been one factor. On WeRelate we use the birth name as primary for NL immigrants, and add their U.S. name as an alternate name. So, since Jan Schanssema was the name listed on his birth certificate, that is what I put in the primary field. --Jennifer (JBS66) 13:21, 9 December 2012 (EST)

I presume, that the father of Hiltje & Jan Schanssema was Julle Jans Lesterhuis. He was according to the original birth record present at birth and he was the one who went to the office of the Burgerlijke Stand to let the births register. He was unmarried.--Klaas 06:25, 12 January 2013 (EST)