User:Khaentlahn/Talk Archive 2012



Welcome [15 November 2012]

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Sid - is that you? [24 November 2012]

Sid - is user ID Khaentlahn your user ID? This is Jerry Dale Abshier in California. Email me at if you want to catch up on things.--Jdabshier 18:38, 24 November 2012 (EST)

GEDCOM Export Ready [1 December 2012]

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William Rutledge Cowan [6 December 2012]

I am interested in discussing this line with you. I am a direct descendant. I am working on untangling Robert Cowan's history (father of William Rutledge Cowan) and I am making some progress.

You can e-mail me at

Donna Cowan Atkinson--DAtkinson 11:45, 6 December 2012 (EST)

Helpful work [22 December 2012]

Hi Khaentlahn,

Welcome and thank you for jumping right in to help so much! I've noticed on some page patrols that you've been opening and saving pages, in what appears to be an effort to get them to consolidate sources and look up place names? (It's hard to tell on the change page.) That does help the display, thank you, but if you've got "fix random minor changes" time, I wanted to share a list of other minor changes that are helpful. For example, on a page you edited recently, Person:Sadie Olmsted (1), I made a number of additional changes:

  • removed duplicate names
  • removed duplicate birth estimates (and, because this is a recent person for whom the birthdate is probably good, put that in as the birthdate)
  • removed the piped place names
  • removed the unrecognized place (Tittabawassee) from the linked place name so it links to the county page instead
  • replaced MySources with Sources.

I'm not saying you have to do all or any of these when you find a page, just letting you know what can be done to improve a page if you're so inclined. Thanks!--Amelia 10:01, 22 December 2012 (EST) (volunteer admin)

I've been attempting to correct a bunch of the Name in USA type pages (and realized it was also consolidating some sources, bonus!), the ones which Dallan (I believe) indicated only needed to be opened and saved to automatically change them. I know that regardless of what happens with things on this site in the future, those types of things still need to be changed if standards are to be met and I'm a real big advocate for following standards in a site with this much potential (that is, if I can find them). I also make many of the changes you've mentioned, I simply don't do it all the time when attempting to get through a list of names (like Bailey in USA, still haven't finished that one). Some of the unrecognized places I leave in, if only because I don't know all the places around the world and that is another area where I would need to stop and do research before I can continue.
There is so much that needs to be done around here, if only from a maintenance perspective, that keeping my "eye on the ball" as it were and not straying away from the current mission with the ravenous research monster, I feel like I can actually get more accomplished. So, in essence, I have done much of what you suggest, I simply don't do it all the time. Is there an easier way to find pages that have many of the inconsistencies you mention other than randomly finding them?
Completely understand - I've done similar efforts myself. For most of the list above, there isn't anything automated yet. The closest is that you can search for a particular MySource and systematically convert them. So whatever you are moved to do at a particular time, that's great.
One thing I should point out -- - Ancestry World Tree and - OneWorldTree are different. The former is their WorldConnect mirror; the latter is their now-defunct "one" tree, and even though it's now almost impossible to find, it's more commonly cited in gedcoms for reasons I don't understand!--Amelia 16:49, 22 December 2012 (EST)
Most likely because 1) many gedcoms are old and 2) OneWorldTree is part of the paid side of Ancestry now and not like it used to be as part of Rootsweb and free. Since both sources appear to be the same thing (both deriving from the same information and published by the same company), are they not in essence the same, especially since they are both web related? Should we be differentiating between the two when citing them as a source and, if so, why exactly?

Category Amish or Mennonite? [29 December 2012]

I see that you just created an Amish cemetery in Newaygo County, MI. We have a category for Mennonite cemeteries, but so far none for Amish cemeteries. What do you think, is that a distinction WeRelate should capture by making a new category? --Pkeegstra 11:12, 29 December 2012 (EST)

In the grand scheme of things, if we have the other categories (Catholic, Protestant, etc), why not have Amish as well. Amish and Mennonite are not the same even though they are very similar. I am all for better/more categories if it helps people find results. --Khaentlahn 11:55, 29 December 2012 (EST)

Yes, I can imagine that both groups would prefer that we not lump them together. (Although it isn't obvious to me how anyone Amish would ever find out....). I will create a cross-reference from each category to the other. --Pkeegstra 15:18, 29 December 2012 (EST)