Notebook. John and Andrew Sifers

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Source

Original Source: Wythe county Court Records Need specific volumes, page numbers, and dates. Done. See below.ruthnevada 16:45, 17 June 2011 (EDT)

Intermediate source: Teressa Hasty, 31 January 2010 by email.

Here is something that I thought might be significant in re to Sifer family members. I obtained many court records from Wythe County Courthouse and copied them. They pertained to suits and judgements for the name Seifers.

The volumes, page numbers and dates pertaining to Chancery Causes are listed below  and can be found at the Wythe County Courthouse:

Scifer plntf, Buchanan dfndt, Book 1 1833-62-CC Scifer, Buchanan, Shannon, Scyphers

Scifer (Washington Co.)Pltf, Toncray and al Dfdnt, Box 066 1837-10-SC Scifer, Toncray, Byars, Campbell, Cyphers, Shannon, Keller, Overly, Fulton

Scifer, Andrew pltf, McCarty, Benjamin and Thomas Tate dfndts, Box 038 1828-34-SC Scifer, McCarty, Tate

Scifer, John (Wythe Co. )def., Scifer, Andrew pl., New 727 1819-34-SC Scifer, Buchanon, Adams

Scifer, John's admr. pl., Bowen, Henry def., Box 087 1840-12-SCL&C Scifer, Bowen

Mayo, Reuben pl. Scifers def. Book 2 1821-31-SC Scifer, Buchanon, Adams

Related

It would be good to have transcriptions and or images of these documents, so they could be directly referenced.

The original documents did not copy well. Some are very hard to read.ruthnevada 16:44, 17 June 2011 (EDT)

Summary

To give a short version-- John Seifers and his son Andrew swapped property that bordered Wash Co and Wythe Co. Virginia around 1805. That meant John moved from Wythe to Washington. Andrew owned other property in Wythe besides what was swapped but I think all of the lands adjoined each other, and were spread across both counties. Father and son were to make conveyances to each other. ^[1]

Around 1809 John decided that he wanted to swap back property and move back to Wythe because he had a large family and was spending too much money at the Saltworks store.^[2]

These land disputes go on for about 10 years and not without its complications. Depositions were given in regards to the condition of the land, what had been improved, buildings that had been added, so on and so forth in the John Seifer vs. Andrew Seifer case April 14, 1819. Seems like the "swap" back wasn't as easy due to father and son not being able to come to terms on what would be fair.

As I copied more pages I discovered that another dispute involved John selling part of his land to Reuben Mayo and Mayo couldn't get a deed for it because Andrew and John never made deeds to each other in the first place.

A Lewis Toncray also had a dispute about a deed for land he also bought from John. Andrew was arrested for writing a scurrilous letter to the judge during session. A David Campbell paid his fines for him and held the note to his land for surety. Apparently Andrew was responsible for the note for John at the Saltworks. Whether John put purchases on his account or Andrew agreed to make it good or it was just added to Andrew's account because John did not pay is not completely clear to me, but that was part of another dispute in another case. It just goes on and is complete mayhem.

Text

This is case John Seifers vs. Andrew Seifers April 14th, 1819. Andrew defendant, John plaintiff

.............George Seifer being sworn deposeth and saith. That before he left this country for Kentucky, he understood by the parties that they had exchanged places and that they were to make conveyances to each other. After his return from Kentucky to this country, he understood that the parties had disagreed about the making of the rights to each other; This deponent asked the defendant whether it was so: The defendant then told him that he was willing to make a right in case the pltf. would relieve him from his securityship for him at the Saltworks and pay him one hundred dollars. This deponent also understood from the defendant that when he and the plaintiff first traded, it was understood that Amos Sifer was to have the land purchased from the defendant, when said Amos became of age, for which he was to support the plaintiff and his wife.

Question to George Seifers: Are you anyways interested in the recovery of the land in the present suit? Answer from George Seifers: I am not anymore interested than any of the other heirs. It is signed by George Seifers.

Also:

• From "Kentucky Court Records to 1850" 7-19-1813 George Sipher, Estill County Ky., warrant to pick up George Sipher, trespass against William Noland, sues for $500.00.

Could this be the same George Sipher from Washington County, Virginia? ruthnevada 6-13-2012.

Comment

It appears that George Seifers is a brother to Andrew.

It appears that Amos is also a brother and is not of legal age in 1805.

John had a wife in 1805.

Nothing is mentioned about anyone being present to translate. Although the deposition was taken by John Stanger and perhaps he could have translated from John? I ran across other documents not pertaining to the Seifers where it mentions another person being in the room for translation. Didn't run across anything like that in all the pages I copied.

A deposition was also taken from Patrick Buchanan "of lawful age " who was with Andrew Seifers when Reuben Mayoe came and asked Andrew to make him a right for the land. Was Patrick a relative?