User talk:Strebig

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Changes to surnames [18 April 2014]

Markus3, please leave my names alone! Feel free to add people with your Mixedcase spelling, but don't presume to make wholesale changes on someone else's work. It is standard in French documents to use UPPER CASE for surnames, especially legal documents, and it is absolutely acceptable on WeRelate. If you want to be the CaseNazi, focus on your own work, not tirelessly correcting the case of other's work. If this continues, I will just remove the file, and post elsewhere.--Strebig 03:45, 17 April 2014 (UTC)

Strebig ! Please excuse my very bad english !

1) You wrote : "If you want to be the CaseNazi" --> I think, this is really exaggerated, discourteous and even aggressive.

2) I do not want to impose anything on anyone ! I just wanted to improve (and spending my time foolishly ?) pages by following the recommended rules Help:Person pages tutorial, as Jennifer (JBS66) wrote above.

3) I am a "WeRelate newbe" (April 2013). I never read on WeRelate that there was a potential duality/alternative in the spelling of surnames. I understand that if there are still surnames in capitals, it's just that contributors markers are too few. I volunteered to improve the oldest contributions especially after discovering for example these pages : WeRelate:Old GEDCOMs and [1]

4) I personally prefered also put surnames in capital (for better readability and immediate distinction between surname and first name), but ... I just want to put the WeRelate records/data in accordance with the current "rules" that I have not helped to define. I have ONE wish ! --> My goal is to make the records more consistent to motivate potential french speaking contributors ... when WeRelate will become multilingual (what I expect since May 2008 ... In 2008, I chose stupidly Rodovid who was probably better as WeRelate but does not progress in programmatic improvement, friendliness and courtesy.)

5) Before starting for several weeks my series of modifications (changes uppercase to mixed/lowercase) on pages/records posted by other contributors, I seriously checked if there was "debate" or "clear opposition "... since I had not found anything, I JUST ... tried to clean according to the rules. Do you have references or pages that I could not find ? Please, show me what links !...

6) I personally found only these discussions : November 2007, January 2008, June 2010 and March 2011

Marc ROUSSEL - --Markus3 09:03, 17 April 2014 (UTC)--Markus3 10:22, 17 April 2014 (UTC)

I apologize for suggesting you are a CaseNazi -- I'm much more vehement about ALL CAPS than you are about standardizing the Wiki's style. I read your links, and now appreciate your efforts to improve the wiki. My wish is that you will focus on some of the other areas they identified as needing work, perhaps those that lack sources, or fixing notes, changing "living" people into "[blank] Surname", or writing a bot program to remove un-needed data/notes/sources (_UID, etc). And your English is very good. I admire your work on French place names -- we need more people doing that, for many countries!--Strebig 16:22, 17 April 2014 (UTC)

Thanks ! But my english is so poor that I do not often understand all the nuances of a long argument. That is why I can not really and effectively participate to discussions in the Watercooler and somewhere else. And the tool "Google Translate" produces only gibberish and nonsense.

In your response "I'm much more vehement about ALL CAPS than you are about standardizing the Wiki's style.", I do not know if you agree that I continue to replace uppercase letters for surnames. I do not have any desire to continue irritate so many contributors. I can do anything in genealogy and especially in collaborative genealogy. And I have my "own" researches ...

I did not intend to limit my remarks/contributions on surnames. I also started to correct and improve well other things, removal of duplicates in notes, ... adding sources with direct links to records of France, etc.

I wanted to give and give again (if possible) priority to surnames, because that is what consulted first by "web visitors" and future contributors. At first, I asked myself why there were some surnames in uppercase and others in mixedcase ... I would like the potential French speaking contributors and others are not disturbed by this oddity. Clean detail a particular record was and is my second priority.

Systematically to capitalize surnames is interesting for aesthetic or graphic reasons. It is important and necessary when names of persons cited in the texts (way to avoid confusion) or official acts. With a software or a website specialized in genealogy (such as WeRelate) it is useless, because everything is built and displayed from a database. With a database (one person per page, no text, no sentences in the "header") it can never be any confusion between given name and surname ... for 2 reasons : 1) input fields are completely independent 2) the given name is always noted before the surname

Marc ROUSSEL ---Markus3 07:52, 18 April 2014 (UTC)