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Next step: Review your GEDCOM [16 February 2010]

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Images of documents [1 October 2010]

Hi, There was a glitch in the system that didn't identify images that needed a license. It was recently fixed and I have a host of images to take care of. I added the appropriate license to some of your images, but didn't understand why you were using that symbol. You have since removed the symbol. If you want me to delete the image pages, please sent me a message. Thanks,--sq 21:45, 30 September 2010 (EDT)


On 29 Sep I deleted 5 images which I had previously downloaded. These were images that I obtained from the website called "ScotlandsPeople". After again reading their Intellectual Property Rights agreement (which I had accepted), I decided that having these images on WeRelate would have been a breach on my part and, as far as I can see, they are now on longer on the system. These records have been sufficiently cited to allow others to find them (after paying for them).

I have several other images on the system which I have purchased from the Victorian Registry of B,D &M however they do not seem to breach any agreement or copyright.

I'm unsure which symbol you are referring to - perhaps you mean the Adobe file symbol; these images were downloaded in the pdf format.

Regards Ken.--Kenamoore 00:14, 1 October 2010 (EDT)


Next step: Review your GEDCOM [8 October 2010]

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Amoore8Oct10.ged Imported Successfully [8 October 2010]

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Next step: Review your GEDCOM [9 October 2010]

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Gedcom issue: Ernest Filer [11 October 2010]

Please take another look at the warning. It appears that this person can't fit the families. Perhaps there is another Ernest? If you think it's correct, adding some notes to the pages to explain the situation would help. I'm returning your file. When you've finished fixing, just go to the Import tab and click ready again. Judy (jlanoux) 12:48, 10 October 2010 (EDT) (WeRelate volunteer)

saw your note. I removed his birth estimate and import is running now. Make sure to adjust his and his parents estimates to more reasonable dates. It's good practice to leaave a note indicating how estimate was derived. That way you or another researcher know to revise it as more info is obtained. --Judy (jlanoux) 10:52, 11 October 2010 (EDT)

Thanks for this, I will take on board your suggestion to add comments about estimates - I used to do this when I first started out years ago but have developed some bad habits which I'm trying to correct as I build my tree. Regards - Ken--Kenamoore 18:53, 11 October 2010 (EDT)


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Next step: Review your GEDCOM [12 October 2010]

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Next step: Review your GEDCOM [12 October 2010]

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McCullough12Oct10.ged Imported Successfully [12 October 2010]

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GRO Indexes [14 October 2010]

The reason that I have created separate sources for each GRO index is that is what they really are. FreeBMD is indexing all three main ones and it is possible to search all three at once on that site. However if you look at the images of the original indexes on the site you will see that the births, marriages and deaths are not interspersed but completely separate. There are also separate birth, marriage and death indexes held by each registration authority in England and Wales. For example each London borough has separate BMD indexes for its own area as does each county council in England. The GRO indexes are based on those local indexes but are separate and distinct. David Newton 06:54, 14 October 2010 (EDT)


Thank you David, this seems reasonable. I assume you must be in the UK so I won't presume to tell you something that you would likely know far better than I do, however I would have thought that the Place should be "England & Wales" not just "England" but I don't want to be pedantic. Perhaps this was an Admin decision.

It would be nice to have a source which refers to to an actual BDM document instead of just the indexes, for example Source:Victoria, Australia.Birth, Death and Marriage Certificates - do you know if one exists?

I notice that you also have a source for all the indexes Source:England. England and Wales Civil Registration Indexes which has an excellent description but that's all. Did you create this source to redirect others to the correct souce? If so perhaps you could say this in the text. Which source would you suggest I use - this one or an individual source for each birth, death or marriage?

Finally, if you have the time and inclination there are several other sources you may like to look at and perhaps consider re-directing to your source.

Source:Great Britain. Registrar General. Index to the Civil Registration of Births, Marriages and Deaths for England and Wales, 1837-1983

Source:Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints. Family History Library. Index to the Civil Registration of Births, Marriages, and Deaths for England and

Source:England. Vital Records

Regards Ken--Kenamoore 08:21, 14 October 2010 (EDT)

The source should indeed be in England and Wales and if you look at the registration district place names I have created you will see that I have done precisely that. However it was a decision taken by those who are not so aware of UK legal history as I am and you appear to be. As for the FHL sources, frankly they clutter up the wiki immensely. The vast majority of them are not used and a lot of them, like the civil registration indexes, are actually false sources as the real source is the indexes themselves and not a particular repository where they can be found.
The problem with the FHL sources comes from the fact that they were automatically imported and created rather than being created by users of the wiki. David Newton 11:12, 14 October 2010 (EDT)

Edward George Gwyther [19 October 2010]

Hi, I am new to we relate, so i am finding using the website a little tricky.....However i would like to respond to your query about Edward George Gwyther marriage to Patricia Widin they wed in Cairns on the 21 May 1949. I am still attempting to review/purchase a copy of the marriage certificate from http://www.justice.qld.gov.au/justice-services/births-deaths-and-marriages. It looks as though I will have to order a copy as there is no copy available online. I have just recently compiled a list of family tree information for my dad Garry Gwyther the eldest son of Edward George when he turned 60 this month, as more information is uncovered i will share this with you. Thanks, Kelly.--Kelshipway 05:43, 19 October 2010 (EDT)


Hi Kelly, Thanks for your response - I'm still learning WR as well & I agree it can be tricky at times. I am very interested to see what you come up with for Edward as it all seems a little strange.

Do you have a copy of Edward's NSW death certificate? I have not seen a NSW death certificate, but on a Vic certificate it usually has most of the details we would need to sort out if we are talking about the same person. If you do not have a copy, perhaps I could purchase one and share it with you.

If we can prove the connection, then your father Garry and I would be second cousins. Warm Regards Ken--Kenamoore 06:39, 19 October 2010 (EDT)


Hi, yes i have a copy. I have uploaded a copy through "images" and i have also added a picture from Edward and Patrica's wedding day and a photo of Edward in his ARMY uniform provided to my dad by his Aunty Jean. Dad is keen to learn more about his family, unfortunately his dad died when he was 12 years old. Most of what dad knows is from Aunty Jean, which he had only known for a couple of years before she passed away.--Kelshipway 07:46, 19 October 2010 (EDT)


Philip George Amoore [6 July 2011]

i have a lot of ipnformation about philip George amooresj family but I cannot figure out how to use this program which seems far to compex--Oliveamoore 19:46, 6 July 2011 (EDT)


Living people [24 January 2012]

I noticed that you have created pages for people who are likely still living (for example: this person). WeRelate's policy does not allow the creation of pages for living people due to privacy concerns. Please delete your Person and Family pages for living people by clicking on More>Delete from the menu on the left. You can use templates such as Template:Pedigree3 to connect family lines using a chart on your User page. Thank you, --Jennifer (JBS66) 06:18, 24 January 2012 (EST)


Stasinowsky [5 August 2012]

Hi Ken,

I've just discovered this site and was excited to find that you had my 3x great grandmother Christianne Ledderhase in your tree. How did you find her??? I had given up and most other researchers only seem interested in the children of Eleanore.

I am descended from the eldest Stasinowsky daughter, Johanne Ernestine Caroline. Incidently I have her death date as 22 Aug 1917 in Loxton.

I also noticed that you have Gottlieb in this family. I think his parents were Johann Gottlieb and Johanne Christiane Schultz.

I haven't put anything up on this site, but registered mainly to contact you.

Regards, Jill--JillB 03:30, 5 August 2012 (EDT)


Thanks [10 April 2013]

Hi Ken,

Just a quick thank you for setting up all the Australian sources which you have. I have started using them and realised how many have your name against them.

Thanks Jeffrey--JeffreyRLehrer 16:20, 10 April 2013 (EDT)


Hi Jeff, Thanks for your comment - at first I felt a bit daunted setting up a lot of these on my own without having a "committee" of other users to guide me. But as so little has been changed, they can't be too bad.--Kenamoore 19:54, 10 April 2013 (EDT)


Mary Inwood [19 January 2014]

Hi,

I have the family tree of Mary Inwood back to Ireland and her stepfather's tree back to about 1600AD. HOWEVER, the part that I am missing is the CURRENT day part. Could you fill in some of the blanks and let me know your plinkage through this tree?

Best wishes from your cousin in Quebec!

Robert (editor@stuffnewspaper.com)--Quelquechosedautre 07:28, 17 January 2014 (UTC)


Hi Robert,

George Gwyther was my mother's uncle by marriage.

George's father James Gwyther was married twice - 1st marriage was to Mary McKinnon and the 2nd marriage was to Mary Inwood.

My mother, who is now 97, never knew any of her Uncle George's siblings or half-siblings from either marriage as they moved to Leongatha before she was born.

The 1946 Victorian Death Index for Mary Gwyther only gave her father's name as Inwood (no first name)and her mother's name as Mary Elizabeth Inwood (no maiden name)with her age as 90 which indicates that she was born about 1856 in England.

Therefore William Inwood and Eleanor Lander (Scanlan) who were married in 1859 are unlikely to be the parents of this particular Mary Elizabeth Inwood.

Regards Ken--Kenamoore 05:13, 19 January 2014 (UTC)


Hi,

Actually, it is KNOWN that this is the correct William Inwood and Eleanor Lander. During the First World War, my great grandfather ran a pub in Brighton. Before she died, my grandmother related an interesting story that she had experienced when she was a child...

One day, there was a knock at the door and when her father, John Robert Saunders, opened it, standing there were three ANZAC soldiers. "Hi", they said, 'We're your Australian cousins". It was Erle Cawdor Gwyther, Llewellyn Milford Inwood Gwyther and Rhyl Pembroke William Gwyther. They had chosen to spend their furlough from the trenches in Brighton and spend much time working in the bar, and sent a postcard from the pub back to Australia which is STILL owned today as an heirloom.

Also, when I was 4 years old, one of the three brothers sent me a stuff animal, a Kangaroo which I user to have in my bed at night, but as I was only 4, I cannot remember which one.

Furthermore, one of their descendents, Betty Cramer, and her husband, came over during the 1970's and visited us as a child, although I cannot remember her link to the tree and would be delighted for a link or any information. Her daughter married Dr Peter Demaio, but due to family problems had to come over to marry in England, although without the link to Betty, I cannot remember how they attach to the tree.

Finally, Eleanor and William did not marry in 1856, but 1859, a few days before May Elizabeth Inwood was born.

If you can help with info on the descendents of the Gwythers, I would be delighted.

Robert--Quelquechosedautre 06:42, 19 January 2014 (UTC)


By the way, Mary Inwood was born in (Oct-Dec) 1859, but, for some reason, misquoted her age. One can only speculate that this might have been to qualify for something regarding th elaw or due to the huge age difference between her and James Gwyther.

-R--Quelquechosedautre 06:56, 19 January 2014 (UTC)


Incidentally, as Eleanor was the oldest of the daughters (albeit stepdaughter) of George Moseley Lander and my great grandmother being one of the youngest, plus the fact that my grandmother married late in life and gave birth late, our side of the family has become inceasingly anachronistic compared to Australia so we have a closer link to the past.

Consider, Mary Elizabeth Inwood was born in 1859 and her first cousin (my grandmother) was born in 1896.

All of Mary Inwood's kids were born before 1899, but my mother was only born in 1928.

Mary Inwood's grandchildren were born in the late 1920's, but I was not born until 1960.

In short, for the Australian side, everything seems more distant as you have reproduced much, much faster than in England!--Quelquechosedautre 07:09, 19 January 2014 (UTC)


Incidentally, the ancestors of George Moseley Lander were very wealthy industrialists who lived in a 128-bedroom mansion in a village called Cotton in Staffordshire, England--Quelquechosedautre 07:35, 19 January 2014 (UTC)


Gwythers [20 January 2014]

As you might note, I have left you extensive details locking the Gwythers to Eleanor Lander (Scanlan).

Again, I PLEADS WITH YOU for a scan or a jpg or just a written schedule etc of the tree on the Australian side and details of where Betty Cramer is on the Australian side of the tree.

Best wishes,

Robert--Quelquechosedautre 07:21, 19 January 2014 (UTC)


Hi Robert,

We have no connection with the family of George Gwyther other than he married my maternal Grandfather's sister Annabell McLeod, apparently in Sydney, NSW.

Apparently George & Annabell did not return to their home town of Dunkeld where my mother and most of her McLeod family continued to live, so they and their families were unknown to my mother.

I do not have any information, knowledge or contacts for any of my mother's Gwyther cousins other than those records I found in Victorian State indexes which are in the public domain.

Whilst it may appear on the surface that I could have additional information on this family, I am sorry to disappoint you.

You may notice that back in 2010 I talked with Kelly at Kelshipway who was researching a branch of the Gwyther family, perhaps you could try contacting her?

Regards Ken--Kenamoore 12:27, 19 January 2014 (UTC)


Hi!

OK, so what info, pictures and dates do you have for George Gwyther?

- R--Quelquechosedautre 22:05, 19 January 2014 (UTC)


I have already shared every last skerrick of information that I have on George Gwyther's WeRelate page. Perhaps you should try adding to this page with your information, there is an outside chance that you may attract the attention of someone else who can help you further with your research. After all this is what WeRelate was setup to do, not just to look at what other people have done.--Kenamoore 09:01, 20 January 2014 (UTC)


Sharing of info [20 January 2014]

Hi,

Muy apologies... If you can give me your email, I can send you a link to my family tree on ancestry.com which has about 7,000 of our relatives scheduled, includign various photos and picutres, including the ship upon which Eleanor Inwood (Lander Scanlon) sailed to reach Australia for the first ime.

Best wishes,

Robert--Quelquechosedautre 15:36, 20 January 2014 (UTC)


Featured pages [22 August 2014]

Hi Ken,

I have agreed to find some pages for the featured page and I would like to nominate some Australian ones. Do you have any pages you are particularly proud of?

Thanks Jeffrey--JeffreyRLehrer 07:58, 22 August 2014 (UTC)


Hi Robert,

I'm a bit rusty at using WeRelate but hopefully we can work it out.

My favourite page is where I first started with my Family History. It is the family of Albert Hastings Amoore & Harriett Margaretta Rendell. I was able to piece together quite a bit of information about them from a wide variety of records.

My favourite entry in Harriett's Journal of 1869 (when she was a 19 year girl on board the ship "Lincolnshire" bound for Australia for the second time in her life) was on 16 December 1869

"In the evening we went up onto the forecastle and waited until we saw the OTWAY lights, Fanny went early to bed and so missed a sight never to be forgotten, everyone straining their eyes in expectation of seeing a tiny light which had been reported by the man aloft. Many were out in the bowsprit. The ship rose bravely over the waves, as she went down, at last we saw a glimmer, such shouts, such joyful hurrahs I never heard before. 1st, 2nd, 3rd and sailors all assembled tightly packed. We stayed until we saw the outline of the land and at twelve went to our cabins."

This sends shivers down my spine every time I read it. Anyone who knows the Victorian Shipwreck Coast near the Cape Otway lighthouse would understand the shear relief of everyone on board to know that after 79 days at sea they were not going to end up on those beautiful, spectacular but terrifying rock cliffs like so many other ships before them.--Kenamoore 11:51, 22 August 2014 (UTC)


Message received [24 August 2014]

Hi Ken,

I did get your message but I have only gone on this evening to look at it properly and look at the page you mentioned. I like it but I am going to read it again throughout the week and check it against the genealogy well done criteria. If you are ok with it, after doing that I may make some suggestions. But before I get ahead of myself I will look at it again.

I have only ever had one page up for featured page so I am no expert, but I have volunteered to find and nominate so I want to include a few non American people in the featured pages. There have been some great pages on there but my aim is to go international and being Australian that is where I am starting and that is how I found your pages.

Regards Jeffrey--JeffreyRLehrer 10:43, 24 August 2014 (UTC)