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Welcome [6 May 2015]
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Well thank you for your opinon on my Parmenter family. Yes I do agree that one must be responsible in documenting facts. I did not know I had to list all my sources,but did list the sources that felt were pertinent . I had other sources ,but only listed the book. I too realize that a book on the Whitcomb line is mostly following the Whitcomb line and may and may not be accurate in any of its information. I also know that Peter Parmenter may and may not be a son of Elijah and Lydia Parmenter. I also know that there is a record in Sudbury,Middlesex ,Massachusetts for a Peter Parmenter born 15 June 1764 who was the son of Elijah and Lydia Parmenter. Yes you are right at any given time anyone could be working on an ancestor who may or may not be the correct one. The ancestor I know as Peter Parmenter may or may not be one and the same Peter Parmenter that anyone else is collaborating on. Even though you say young marriages did not happe . I too would like to rule out young marriages. I do not have statistics and I will have to differ to you on this. Like I said I am new to this site. I was wanting to start a page for a new person named Peter Parmenter,but in following the site rules felt I had to use the select not add feature. I never wanted to offend you or your work. I do regret this. I do not know how to say I am sorry,but I am very sorry. I assure you I do not take family history very lightly,but just wanted to try to share what I knew about my ancestor. Thank you for taking the time to try to educate me on this issue and this site.
A Parmenter Family Memeber
Chearl--Chearl 16:24, 6 May 2015 (UTC)
- Well, I have to apologize for probably being wrong about the genealogy. I have found a deed that proves, at least, that Elijah's son Peter had a wife named Hannah. I will post it as time allows. I want to finish looking through other deeds first. --Jrich 17:50, 6 May 2015 (UTC)
please stop messing with Peter Parmenter [6 May 2015]
A man born in 1764 as was the son of Elijah did not marry in 1779 at the age of 15. This is NOT the husband of Hannah Whitcomb. Please stop making him so. --Jrich 00:19, 6 May 2015 (UTC)
- Yes I will stop messing with your Peter Parmenter. I too have a Peter Parmenter whom I directly descend from .I know that 15 years old is young for a marriage ,but not unheard of. My intent was not to ruin your Peter Parmenter and I apologize for this. According to the Parmenter and Whitcomb family sources I have used show my Peter Parmenter did marry Hannah Whitcomb. I will have to make sure to list my Peter Parmenter as a new Peter Parmenter,but not confuse him with your Peter Parmenter. I am new to this site and tried to follow the directions of the site We Relate and my intent was never ever to ruin your family information. I am sorry for the trouble this caused you.
- A Parmenter family member
- Chearl--Chearl 13:19, 6 May 2015 (UTC)
- Neither one is "my" Peter Parmenter, and everybody has a right to change pages in the spirit of collaboration. I am only involved out of interest in accurate justifiable genealogy and think it is not quite appropriate that you are changing data somebody else posted without providing any justification. Further, in my opinion, it is also probable that the guy you are working on is not your Peter Parmenter either.
- I don't see here even one piece of evidence to show that the man who married Hannah Whitcomb is the son of Elijah. There is no age at death (or even death date), no will of Elijah naming a grandchild whose birth record names Hannah as mother, no deed of Peter selling land he received "from my Hon'd father Elijah Parmenter" countersigned by his wife Hannah relinquishing her rights of dower, no agreement signed by Peter and his wife Hannah in the settlement of Elijah's estate, etc. It may be I find none of these because I don't know where to look. That is why collaboration is useful in genealogy.
- And no, I completely disagree, marriages for men at 15 (actually, in this case, a few months before 15) in Massachusetts were pretty much unheard of. I have worked on over 50,000 pages at this site, the vast majority in colonial Massachusetts, checking facts and tracking down primary sources, and I don't recall a single man marrying at the age of 15 (well, one arranged marriage, but as I recall they didn't start a family until near the legal age). Such a young man would not be able to own land, hence unable to support himself or a family. If he and a young lady got in the family way accidentally, it might happen with the support of the father, but in that case there should probably be some documentation to find. But I would think it is just as likely that the father would post bond indemnifying the town, and agreeing to support the child, and then that the boy and girl don't get married. The son would, of course, be too young to sign such a document himself.
- What is needed is evidence, presented with the realization that some readers may think something differently than you. Objective evidence, that a general person would have a hard time refuting. Then, the previous poster, if they have better arguments, can respond, perhaps adding something you were unaware of, and we gradually arrive at a solid, supportable conclusion. If your sources provide that kind of objective evidence, then feel free to abstract their evidence in a source citation for the benefit of those that do not have access to that source, and that is all good.
- I suspect your source is the one mentioned in this post here. I have tried to look up this source. This particular source only had 500 copies printed, is in few (6) libraries across the county, and still under copyright so not generally available. The author has no reputation I am aware of, and by all appearances it is simply the work of an amateur genealogist studying the Whitcombs, and probably not all that interested in the Parmenter side of things. Now if that source merely asserted who Hannah's husband was, without justifying itself, it is pretty much useless. If it did justify itself, it is the justification that is the valuable part of its content, and that is the information that we need to get onto our pages.
- If it did not provide evidence, then the answer is "unknown" as painful as it is for some people to accept that answer. Cultural considerations require we consider that it was some unknown Peter Parmenter that married Hannah Whitcomb. To solve the problem, the thing to do is to collect as much objective evidence about the immediate family as possible until someone stumbles across a reference that sheds light on who her husband was. More about his wife, more about his children, more about the other Peter Parmenter and his wife and his children, more about both their parents, more about their siblings, more about the land they owned, more about the places they lived, etc. This is a lot of work, and that is why this is a collaborative site. --Jrich 15:41, 6 May 2015 (UTC)
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