Person talk:Moses Cleveland (1)

Please indicate exact quotes and attribute information [18 November 2013]

Some of the narrative on this person page is taken verbatim from Source:Cleveland, Edmund Janes. Genealogy of the Cleveland and Cleaveland Families, 1:23-30, and some (all?) of the rest has been summarized from the same source. It would be appreciated if the contributor (or whoever else has a bit of time) would put quotation marks around the exact quotes, and attribute both the exact quotes and the summarized/reworded information accordingly. Fitting in the quote at the bottom (the one that is already attributed) so that there is a single narrative would also be nice. I'll add this to my list of things to do if no one else does it within a reasonable time.--DataAnalyst 15:15, 17 November 2013 (UTC)

I'd be willing to have a go at a first draft of rewriting Moses' bio.

My preference would be to rewrite the bio and leave the sources as a list. Trying to be accurate with quotes, plus citing them correctly and arranging them coherently would be more trouble. It's more enlightening to invoke a sense of the historical setting rather than set out a scholarly collection of facts.

I added the earlier brief work by James Butler Cleveland as a source.

Prcb 02:05, 18 November 2013 (UTC)

That's fine, as long as any facts you decide to keep (e.g., when he became freeman) and any interpretations you use (e.g., that they probably landed at Boston due to better docks) are appropriately attributed. All you need to do is add a "ref" tag indicating the source for any statement that is based on a source. I would think it would be pretty hard to write much of a bio without citing sources.--DataAnalyst 03:16, 18 November 2013 (UTC)

pdf of reference [9 December 2013]

I have a pdf of James Butler Cleveland's Cleveland Genealogy. This is not easily found in entirety on the web. For some reason Google and archive.org have files that end after about 20 pages. This 1881 work is long in the public domain.

Would it be appropriate to upload this to WR?

Prcb 18:28, 18 November 2013 (UTC)

I would think so, but I don't know exactly where. Why not ask this question on the Support page? Someone is bound to provide advice.--DataAnalyst 02:27, 22 November 2013 (UTC)

The entire work is on Heritage Quest, that's probably sufficient. Prcb 02:34, 9 December 2013 (UTC)

Old Style [10 March 2014]

Does anyone know if ref. 1 (Glazier, Prentiss. English Notes. Connecticut Nutmegger (Connecticut Society of Genealogists). (1979)) uses Old Style dates?

This would make Moses' christening date 2 Feb 1621/22, and he would have likely been 4 years old when orphaned.

Prcb 23:34, 3 December 2013 (UTC)

I don't know. The note (which is cited in its entirety on the Person page) is one of 5 mostly unrelated notes from the author, none of which provide enough information to know whether he used old style dates or converted to new style. There is no other context on which to base an assumption, although I get the sense from two of the other notes (which provide corrections to family relationships) and the fact that the author was a member of the Connecticut Society of Genealogists, that it is reasonably likely that the author was experienced enough to know about split dating, and (since he didn't use it) probably converted to new style dates.

The internal evidence would suggest (in my opinion) that 1621 is a new style date, as my experience is that children born (baptized in this case) 15 months apart is less common (especially with the younger children in the family, which Moses and Aaron were) than 2+ years apart, but this is certainly not a conclusive argument.--DataAnalyst 01:49, 5 December 2013 (UTC)

opening quote [27 January 2014]

I'd like to move or remove the opening quote. It is inaccurate, in that primary evidence indicates Moses Cleveland was employed rather than indentured. This quote relies on traditional stories about Moses even though there is a fair amount of documentary evidence, as set out in the bio below.

There was a particular request to keep this quote, so perhaps there is some controversy about removing it, if anyone would care to comment. Prcb 17:43, 27 January 2014 (UTC)

You're probably referring to my request to fit that quote into the overall narrative. My only reason for doing so was so that there was a single narrative. By all means, if the information is no longer accurate, remove it from the narrative portion. You might want to keep it in the source citation with a note that the information is outdated - this may help keep others from updating the narrative to bring the outdated information back. But use your judgment. Thanks--DataAnalyst 18:01, 27 January 2014 (UTC)

Thanks Prcb 17:21, 29 January 2014 (UTC)