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Major Sources For Southwest Virginia [29 May 2008]


Summers

Title:Source:Summers, 1903 History of Southwest Virginia and Washington County
pagePersonDatePlace Data
474 CD1836Smyth CountyCD Carter appointed commissioner for Smyth COunty to run County line from Greevers Bridge near CHilhowie, to the Russell County line
389 Charles9 May 1777Washington CoDesignated Deputy Sherriff
831 Charles1786Washingotn Co Deputy Sheriff
480 Dale1831AbingdonMember of the Abingdon Bar
490 Dale1848Russell Co Dale Cater one of County Electors n the presidential campaign
837 Dale1812-1831Wshingotn County, WythevilleLawyer practicing in the superior Court for Washington County
811 DealMarch 26, 1774 Washington County96 ac, N side of Clinch River
466 Elijahc1814Scott CountyAt first meeting of Scott County Court, Elijah Carter designated a Lieutenant of the Militia
811 JohnMarch 26, 1774 Washington County92 ac, NW side of Clinch River
219,JohnSpring 1776 SW VAThe action of the Virginia Committee of Safety, requiring a test oath of all citizens of the cmmonwealth, had driven manysumpathizers of the British Government to this settlement in Carter's Valley where they hoped to escape the cnsequences of their refusal to subscribe t the oath, but information oftheir presence was obtained by John Carter, a Virginian, who communicated the information he had obtained to the settlers near Wolf Hill. [Abingdon].
306John18 Sept 1780Col John Carters in Carter's Valley""...about 160 men arrived at Col John Carter's in Carter's Valley, fleeing from Ferguson and his forces.
389 John9 May 1786Russel CoDesignated Deputy Sherriff
420John9th day of July 1787On the Clinch "...a part of Indians came to the house of John Carter, on the Clinch, and killed his wife and six children, and after plundering the house, placed the dead bodies in the same, and burned the whole. "
398 Landon23 Aug 23 1784 Jonesboro Elected secretary for convention held to recommend delegates to North Carolina Assembly; Vonvention resulted in succession of what is now Northeast TN, from North Carolina, and the formation of the State of Franklin.
399 Landon23 Aug 23 1784JonesboroElected Secretary of State for the State of Franklin
388 Thomas9 May 1786Russell CoMember of first Court of Washington Co
811 ThomasMarch 26, 1774 Washington County197 ac, N side of Clinch River
389 Thomas9 may 1786Russell CountyDesignated Lieutenant in Militia
423 Thomas20 April 1788Rye Cove, Russell County With the opening of the spring of 1788 the Indians began again to disturb the settlements, and on the 20th of April, came into Rye Cove settlement and carried off three boys and a negro man, two of the boys being sons of Thomas Carter, who then represented Russell County in the General Assembly.
843 Thomas1777-1784Washington CountyMentioned as overseer or surveyor of road
465 William H 1814Scott CountyClerk of the Court


Title:Source:Summers, 1929 Annals of Southwest Virginia
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826 Charles 6 Oct 1789 Montgomery County Appointed Overseer of road from John Craig's to where it meets the great road
920 Charles 11 jun 1789 Montgomery Co John Johnson grants unknown amount of land to Charles Carter for 200 lbs
950 Charles Jan 28 1777 Washington Co On the motion of John HendersonAdministration is granted him on the Estate of Charles Carter deceased whereupon he with Ephraim DUnlap his security enter into and acknowldege their bond in the sum of onethousand pounds for his faithful administration of the decedants estate.
990 CharlesMay 197h 1778 Washington Couty John Henderson proved an account of twenty six pounds ten shillings and ten pence against the Estate of Charles Carter. Credit to the said estate by nine pounds seven shillings.
1146 Charles Carter May 20th 1783 Washington County The last will and testament of Susanna Carter was exhibited in couert and proved by the oath of Joseph Blackmore a witness who swore he saw Richard Stuanton and John Blackmore sign as witnesses to the said will which is orered to be recorded. Wherein Charles Carter the Executor theren named made oath in due form and entered into and acknowledged his bond in the sum of five hundred pounds for the faithful administration on the said decendants estate with the said will annexed.
1344 Charles January 15, 1781 Washington County Will of Susanna carter, her estate to her brother Charles. WitnesS: Richard Stanton, John Blackmore, Sr, James Blackmore. Probated but date not given.
1358 Charles 27 July 1790 Wythe Charles Carter appointed overseer of road from the Big Lick to John Craig


982 Dale 18 March 1778 Washington County On the motion of Thomas Carter administrationis granted him on the estate of Dale Cater deceased who made oath unto and give bond with Richard Stanton and William Huston Securities in the sum of 500 pounds lawful money for the faithful administration of the said deceadans estate. Ordered that Archibald Scott, Josehp Butcher, John Carter and Richard Stanton, or any three of them being first sowrn appraise the Estate of Dale Cartr and make retrn to the next Court.
781 George 22 Feb 1785 Montgomery Served on Jury
790 George 26 July 1785 Montgomery Served on Jury
798 George 28 Sept 1785 Montgomery Ordered appointed to be Overseer of the road in the room of John Jinkins removed, and tht he with the usual hands keep the same in repair
918 George May 4 1785 Montgomery grantee, from Andrew Duncan, for 250L, 295 acres on Racoon Branch, branch of the New [River]
833 Henry Jr 6 June 1792 Montgomery Fined for not attending to serve on grand jury
943 Henry Aug 5 1783 Montgomery witnessed will of Richard Harvison
732 John Not Found
982 John 18 March 1778 Washington County On the motion of Thomas Carter administrationis granted him on the estate of Dale Cater deceased who made oath unto and give bond with Richard Stanton and William Huston Securities in the sum of 500 pounds lawful money for the faithful administration of the said deceadans estate. Ordered that Archibald Scott, Josehp Butcher, John Carter and Richard Stanton, or any three of them being first sowrn appraise the Estate of Dale Cartr and make retrn to the next Court.
1146 John May 20th 1783 Washington County The last will and testament of Susanna Carer was exhibited in couert and proved by the oath of Joseph Blackmore a witness who swore he saw Richard Stuanton and John Blackmore sign as witnesses to the said will which is orered to be recorded. Wherein Charles Carter the Executor theren named made oath in due form
200 Josiah 12 aug 1773 Botetourt Allowed 2lbs 8sh for attendance at court to value the public buildings of this county
1372 Mitchel 10 Dec 1799 Wythe Appt overseer of the road from Craigs Ford to the forks of the same, near Manasses Friel's
1372 Robert Dec 10 1799 Wythe Appt overseer of the road from Craigs Ford to the County Line
246 Sarah Botetourt 8 Aug 1775 Ordered that church wardens bind out Sarah Carter of Botetourt Prish to John Moore according to law
1146 Susanna May 20th 1783 Washington County The last will and testament of Susanna Carer was exhibited in couert and proved by the oath of Joseph Blackmore a witness who swore he saw Richard Stuanton and John Blackmore sign as witnesses to the said will which is orered to be recorded. Wherein Charles Carter the Executor theren named made oath in due form and entered into and acknowledged his bond in the sum of five hundred pounds for the faithful administration on the said decendants estate with the said will annexed.
1344 Susannah January 15, 1781 Washington County Will of Susanna carter, her estate to her brother Charles. WitnesS: Richard Stanton, John Blackmore, Sr, James Blackmore. Probated but date not given.
982 Thomas 18 March 1778 Washington County On the motion of Thomas Carter administrationis granted him on the estate of Dale Carter deceased who made oath unto and give bond with Richard Stanton and William Huston Securities in the sum of 500 pounds lawful money for the faithful administration of the said deceadans estate. Ordered that Archibald Scott, Josehp Butcher, John Carter and Richard Stanton, or any three of them being first sowrn appraise the Estate of Dale Cartr and make retrn to the next Court.
984 Thomas 20 march 1778 Washington Ordered to be overseer of the road from Fort Lee to John Blackmore's
1120 ThomasSept 19th 1792 Washington Reimbursement for expenses during King's Mountain Campaign---"a beef steer, 4 years old, 4 pounds.
1137 Thomas Not Found
1149 Thomas Not Found
1150 ThomasNot Found Alex Doran proves 3 days attendance as a witness in the suit of William Lowerey againsst Thomas Carter
1024William Not Found
1359 William 23 nov 1790 Wythe Appointed overseer of the road from William Ross' to the Lead Mines

Kegley

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Addington [29 May 2008]

Title:Source:Addington, 1932 History of Scott County
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2 Dale1774 Washington Killed by Indians
36 Dale1774 Washington Captain Looney, the commandant of Fort Blackmore, was absent at his home near Kingsport at the time of Dale Carter's murder. This circumstance caused dissatisfaction with Looney. The settlers at Blackmore's wante a military leader who lived closer by. Boone's services had been so acceptable to them that they ptitioned Col William Preston, the highest military officer in Fincastle County, that Boone be made captain, and that command of their fort be committed to him. This petion seems to have had its origin at Fort Blackmore. Furthermore it seems to habe been unanimously approved by the settlers in Castlewoo who were Mr. Boone's neighbors, and the people best qualified to judge of his merits as an Indian fighter. The petition asked that he take charge of the lower forts on the Clinch, which were Blackmore's, Moore's Staiton, and Cowan's Fort Col. Preston, who had been furnished by Governor Dunmore with blank commissions for the purpose, at once acted favorably ujpon the petition by bestowing the title of captain, the highest military honor that had yet come to Boone.
58 Dale1774Washington Secretly approaching Fort Blackmore, the Indians came within about seventy five yards of the gate before they were discovered. Most of the men at the time were sitting upon some logs which lay a short distance from the gate. Evidently seeing this the Indians decided to make a bold push to enter the fort before the men could recover from their surprise. So creeping along under the bank of the river, completely hidden from view by the bank a fringe of trees and underbrush, they were just ready to rush into the fort when Dale Carter, who happened to be about 55-five steps from the fort, saw them and began to haloo, "Murder, Murder!" Upon hearing Carter's cry of alarm the men ran toward the fort with all possible speed. They succeeded in reaching the gate before the Indians. Thus frustraing their designs of cutting the men off from the fort, the Indians next turned their attention to Carter. One Indian shot at him but missed him. another shot him through the thigh, inflicting a wound which though not mortal, rendered him too lame to escape into th fort. One Indian, more bold than the rest, soon ran up to Carter, and killing him with his tomhwk, scalped him. In the meantime a Mr. Anderson [1] and John Carter, who with their guns, were either outside the fort, or on hearing the figing, quickly ran to the othe outside, endeavvored to prevent Carter being scalped. Anderson shot at the Indian who as in the act of scalping Carter, while John Carter shot at another Indian who was near by. It is not known whether either of these shots took effect; they casued the Indians, however, to scaper off about one hundred yards from which point they began firing at Anderson and his companion. Fortunately both men were unhurt by this fusillade, although some of hte shots hit the stockade only a few inches from anderson's head. By this time some of the men who had been on the logs hasitly climbed into the bastion of the fort nearest the enemy, and opened a well directed fire upon them. They drove the enemy into the woods where the little garrison dared not follow them. For a few moments the excitement was great in the little fort. Although Dale Carter's halloo of murder, sadly prophetic of his own fate, had cost him his own life, yet no doubt his timely wwarning averted the destruction of the fort.
61 DaleSunday, October 9 1774Fincastle On Sunday, October 9, three days after Dale Carters murder, Mr. Anderson reported that he saw an Indian behind a blacksmith's shop just outside the fort, "at break of day."
133 Dale29 May 1815Scott First superior court of law held; Jury included Dale Carter, Elijah Carter
142 Dale1820ScottCOunty expenses "3 days last year, 2.25
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94Dale 26 March 1774 FincastleCaptain smith, assitant surveyor of Fincastle County went "towards Rye Coves" for the purpose of making land surveys. these included John, Thomas and Dale Carter on March 26, 1774
102Dale - WashingtonThe Carter settlement was the furthest west n the clinch Valley. Dale Carter, father of T.W.Carter, was a soldier under Andrew Leweis


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270Flora Kate
99 Carters Fort
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98John Washington John Carter it seems was a brother of Dale Carter who was murdered when Chief Logan's band of Indians attacked Fort Blackmore in 1774. Some years after Dale Carter's murder, John Carter settled on Clinch River, where Joseph Sallings now lives, four miles below fort Blackmore. He had married Joseph Blackmore's daughter and had seven children. A short time after moving to his farm, having planted his crop and completed such other preparations as were necessary to move back to the fort, he went out one morning to listen for his horses and cattle which had bells on, intending to collect them up prior to moving to Fort Blackmore n the next day. This was a locust year, and he went out early in order to collect his stock before the locusts began their noises. He had proceeded about sixty yards from his house when heard his wife cry out "Oh, John". On turning he saw eight or nine Indians entering his ouse, and at the same time they fired at him. Ralizing his perilous situation he thought it best to make his escap[e and go for assistance rather than fight and only exasperate the savages in an unequal contest. hatening to the fort he collect a company and returned to his home, which he found in flames. With some poles, his companions succeeded in pulling out of the burning coals the charred remains of his wife and six children, which they buried. When they had done this, they heard a plaintive goraining a little distance form the ouse, in the weeds and grass. They went to the place from whence the sounds came and found his little daughter, about ten years of age with an awful gash across her abdomen and her entrail falling out. They carried her to the river and washed her, but she died before they had finished. (Judge Wood and Peter Honeycut in Draper Manuscripts, 4C27. As soon as Mr. barnett heard of the murder of Carter's family he ordered out a party of Rangers to hunt down the indians, but it was all to no purpose. Thye had made good their retreat. (Virginia State Papers, Vol 4.)
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Chalkley [29 May 2008]

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Sources [27 May 2008]

A compilation of Carter Data.

A Carter lineage



Ephemeral Notes [6 June 2008]


info request

The following Notes have been temporarily captured pending examination. They should be deleted after use.

Note from Michael Carter, 25 May 2008:

I am not a genealogist, but am interested in history and know very little about my ancestors, and nothing about the Carter lineage past Capt. Thomas Carter, Sr. Can you shed any light on how you and I may be related and Capt. Thomas Carter, Sr.?

My line

Peter Carter
Thomas Carter= Mary Morgan
Charles Carter, Born in 1775. =Sarah Huston
Thomas Morgan Carter =Caroline Matilda Wood).
Martin Birdwood Carter = Mary Ann Stephens).
William Martin Birdwood Carter=2 Julia Mary White).Born 1862, Marshall, AL, Died: 1935, Caney, OK).
Elton Ray Carter
Michael Carter

The Real Dale Carter [6 June 2008]

Margie Brown's Treatment of "Who was the Real Dale Carter"

Ragnhild Brimsfather's Rebutal of Margie Brown

David Johnson's Counter Rebutal


Washington County Minute Book No. 1:26 reads:

At court held for Washington County March 18, 1778 “On motion of Thomas Carter administration is granted him on the Estate of Dale Carter deceased who made oath thereto and give Bond with Richard Stanton and William Huston Securities in the Sum of 500 pounds lawful money for the faithful administration of the said decedants Estate.” It does not say Thomas Carter, brother of Dale. Thomas was the son of Peter and Judith (Norris) Carter and a cousin to Dale.

Upon the death of Lucy Carter Blakemore in 1797, the estate of Charles Carter, Sr. was divided into three lots. Susannah left a will in Washington Co., VA in 1781 Elizabeth was killed by Indians in 1787 leaving Dale, Charles Jr. & John Carter as the living heirs of Charles Carter Sr. This means that the Dale Carter killed by Indians in 1774 couldn't have been the son of Charles Sr. & Lucy Carter.

First, the birth records of at least four of the children of Charles and Lucy Carter are in the Overwharton Parish (Stafford Co.) Records 1724-1820.

  • Dale Carter, born Aug. 9, 1744
  • Judith Carter, b. March 17, 1747
  • Lucy Carter, b. Feb. 17, 1750
  • Catharine Carter, b. Oct. 26, 1753

Additional children, appear in Charles Carter’s will of 1766 in Amherst Co. and indicate the slaves given to them.

  • 1. son Dale Carter, one boy named Bob and one woman named Moll.
  • 2. daughter Susanna, one man named Tom and one woman Judy.
  • 3. daughter ELIZABETH one boy named Tom and one woman named Sal.
  • 4. son Charles one boy named George and woman named Poll.
  • 5. son John one boy named Saney (?) and girl named Rachel.

"If any of my said mentioned children should die without any lawful heirs begotten by their bodies, the negroes SHALL RETURN AND THEIR INCREASE and be equally divided amongst the rest." Charles Sr. leaves nine other slaves and their increase to be equally divided amongst his said children but leaves his whole estate to his wife Lucy Carter DURING HER LIFETIME.

Nothing is known about his son, John, who probably died young as there are no records on him

Dale died in 1774; Susannah in 1781 Elizabeth in 1787.

Lucy Blakemore (Charles’ widow who remarried to Capt. John Blackmore) died in 1797, only one child was still living, i.e., Charles, Jr.

1805 lawsuit in Sumner Co, Tenn. Charles Carter, Jr. sues the executor of his late brother-in-law John Carter’s estate to recover slaves left to John’s wife. There is a deposition that says the slaves of Lucy Blackmore were to be divided three ways.

Who were these three parties in 1797?

  • One was John Carter, husband of the late Elizabeth Carter who inherited two slaves from her father, Charles.
  • Charles Carter, Jr. who inherited slaves from his father.
  • ?

They are not aware of the following document that will show the third party/parties were the heirs of Dale Carter (1744-1774), son of Charles and Lucy Carter.

Russell County, Va. Will Book 2:118 Know all men by these presents that we

John Carter
Joseph Carter and
George Sally

of the county of Russell State of Virginia for divers good causes and considerations we hereunto moving do constitute command and appoint our trusty friend James Roberts of Jackson County and State of Tennessee our true and lawful attorney with full power and authority for us and in our names to ask Demand sue for and recover all such property as may be due and owing to us as heirs and legatees of the estate of Dale Carter deceased and now in the said State of Tennessee and to make one or more attorney or attornies under him for the purpose … [legalese] In Witness whereof we have hereunto set our hands and Seals this 9th day of July 1806.

                                 : John Carter
                                  :Joseph Carter
                                  :George Salley


Charles Carter, Jr., brother of Dale, sold his plantation in Sumner County, Tenn. in 1804 and moved to Jackson County with his common-law wife, Milly and their children.

Dale and Mary (Bickley) Carter had children: John, b. 25 Feb 1769; d. aft 1828; m. Sarah Elizabeth Day [birth date from the John Carter family Bible] Charles, b. ca, 1771 (no records can be found on him) Joseph, b. ca. 1772/73; d. 24 Oct 1844, Shelby Co., Ill.; m. (1) Patsy Harris (2) Temperance ___ Caroline Matilda (Tildy), b. ca. 1774; d. spring 1862, Scott Co.; m. George Salling

Proof that George Sally/Salling married Matilda Carter: Rockbridge County Marriage Bonds 1778-1801. Marriage consent: Sir please to let the crier here of George Salley have licens for marriage bond and in so doing you will much oblidge me and this will bee your safe warrant for so doing wich I Do Heare unto set my hand and Siel this 18th Day of January 1791. Ms Polley Carter [seal] Tildy Carter [seal] [witnesses] John Tolley Ben Holms

Following this is the marriage bond of George Salley & Tildy Carter of Rockbridge dated 19 January 1791. Original documents found at www.rootsweb.com/~usgenweb/va/rockbridge/intro.html

See also Rita K. Sutton – Early Carters of Scott Co. (1981) p. 35 in which Mrs. Venus Hillman is quoted, “John Salling told me his Grandmother Matilda (Carter) Salling [note: She was his great grandmother; he did not know his grandmother who died when his mother was young.], daughter of Dale Carter who was murdered by the Indians in 1774, used to gather the children around her, and tell them of her father’s death, the capture of the Pendletons, and other stories of pioneer days. Matilda remembered having been held up to the port-holes of Fort Blackmore, so she could look outside. She said that Dale Carter suffered from white swelling [chronic swelling of the knee]. Matilda was buried on the day the Clinch River reached its highest water mark. John Salling helped dig her grave and was present at the burial.


In a conversation I had with Clay Baldwin July 24, 1980 at his home in Kingsport, Tenn., he recalled stories of the Salling family, some related to him by “Gen.” John Salling, who Clay said had a sharp memory. John said his mother’s grandmother was the daughter of Dale, killed by Indians at Ft. Blackmore. John said he helped dig her grave.

I am a descendant of George and Caroline Matilda (Carter) Salling and have researched the Salling line over the past 25 years. I am in the process of writing the Salling family history for my family and relatives. It was when I was searching for mention of Lucy Blackmore in Google that I came upon Margie Brown’s and Dick Zieman’s postings. The latter’s is titled “Carters of Va. (the real scalped Dale Carter & Mary Ann Bickley)” dated 9 Feb 2005.

Ragnhild Bairnsfather Feb. 16, 2006


Discussion [29 May 2008]

The Carter family history has numerous variant descriptions of the family ancestry

Hirschman, Elizabeth Caldwell. 2005. Melungeons: the last lost tribe in America. Macon, GA: Mercer University Press., identifies Dale Carter's parents as Thomas Carter and Arabella Williamson, and places them in Amherst County. This is in contrast to Other researchers who identify his parents as Peter Carter (1706-1789) and Judith Norris (1710-1765) of Fauquier County. Hirschman also identifies John Beckley, father of Mary Bickley Carter, Dale's wife, as the guardian of her children. This may be so, but Hirchman does not provide documentation for this point. It is also in contrast with Charles Bickley's obituary that he went to Washington County to aid his widowed sister.


Collaborationists [28 May 2008]

Q 08:43, 27 May 2008 (EDT)


References

  1. Presumed to be Person:John Anderson (129) who later established Anderson's BLockhouse, but this needs further research