Family:John Guthrie and Jane Stuart (1)

 
b. Abt 1682 prob. Scotland
 
b. Abt 1686 prob. Scotland
 
m. Bef 1708
Facts and Events
Marriage? Bef 1708
Children
BirthDeath
1.
29 Jan 1790 Pennsylvania
2.
 
3.
17 Aug 1782

Descendants of John Guthrie


Generation No. 1

1. JOHN1 GUTHRIE was born Bef. 1690 in Northern Ireland. He married JANE 'JENNIE' STUART. She was born Bef. 1691.

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John Guthrie

Father William Guthrie

Family 1 Jane Stuart Children 1. Robert Guthrie, b. 1711, Londonderry, Ulster, N Ireland

 2. Archibald Guthrie 
 3. Cornelius Guthrie 
 4. Francis Guthrie 
 5. James Guthrie 
 6. Samuel Guthrie, b. 1660 (NOTE: appears to be out of place with this family!)
 7. John Guthrie, Jr, b. 29 Jun 1708, N. Ireland 
 8. William Guthrie, b. 1710 

Notes According to reliable tradition, this Guthrie ancestor, who left Scotland, was a zealous Covenanter. So devoted was he to that cause, so active in his opposition to the efforts of the Crown to force Prelacy upon Scotland, that Claverhouse, the Arch-Persecutor, set a price upon his head and hunted him from place to place. Finally making his way to the West Coast of Scotland, he, together with some of his followers, found a hiding-place in a cave, whence, seeking escape to Ireland, a sharp outlook was kept for passing vessels. At length a French ship was sighted, hailed and as she hove to, the hunted men put out to her in a row-boat. Just at this juncture Chaverhouse with some of his troopers came galloping up and fired a volley at the escaping party. Fortunately they had gained a distance from the shore well-nigh out of musket range, and so, uninjured, made their get-away, landing in due time on the coast of Ireland. The name of this Covenanter was John Guthrie. He married, presumably somewhat later, Jane Stuart, who was descended from the Royal House of Scotland. John Guthrie removed from Boston to Lichfield Co., Connecticut, where he died about 1730. John Guthrie, our subject, was their son. He was born in North Ireland, in 1708. He married there, Ann _________ , and soon afterwards, about the year 1730, they emigrated to America, coming in the same boat with the Gilkesons and Stewarts, whose descendants variously intermarried with theirs. They settled on the east side of the Octoraro Creek, (a stream forming a part of the boundary between Chester and Lancaster Counties, Pennsylvania), at a place afterwards known as Andrews Bridge.

The name "John Guttry," appears on the tax list of Londonderry Township in 1734, and subsequently in the lists of taxables in that township on down to the formation of Oxford, after which it appears in the lists of that township. The name is variously spelled in the 1737 list as: Gottere, Guttery, Gettery, Gutterei, etc. These tax lists show that his estate consistently increasedand that he ranked high among his neighbors in the amount of taxes paid. John Guthrie was a respected citizen, and he together with the members of his family were devout adherents of the Fagg's Manor Presbyterian Church. He was for many years a ruling elder in it. It does appear that these Guthries were identified with the movement, when the Covenants were renewed in America, at nearby Middle Octoraro, in 1743, but they were sympathetic with the Covenanters, sometimes entertaining their ministers in the home.


Children of JOHN GUTHRIE and JANE STUART are:

  • i. JOHN2 GUTHRIE, b. 29 Jun 1708, Northern Ireland; d. 29 Jan 1790, Augusta County, Virginia; m. ANN ???; b. 1715, Northern Ireland.

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John Guthrie, Jr

Birth 29 Jun 1708 N. Ireland Sex Male Died 29 Jan 1790

Father John Guthrie Mother Jane Stuart

Family 1 Ann ?, b. 1715, N. Ireland Children 1. William Guthrie, b. 1736, Chester, Pennsylvania, USA

 2. Mary Guthrie, b. Abt 1747 
 3. Elizabeth Guthrie, b. 1746 
 4. Martha Guthrie, b. 1746 
 5. Ann Guthrie 
 6. John Guthrie, III, b. 1753 
 7. Marjory Guthrie 
 8. Abigail Guthrie, b. 1762 
 9. Jane Guthrie 
 10. James Guthrie 

Notes John Guthrie, son of John, removed from Durham, Conn., to Stratford, Conn., where he purchased the homestead of Samuel Beardsley, Nov. 1, 1726. He returned to Durham about 1734, later to woodbury and adjoining towns. John & Ann Guthrie emmigrated to America about 1725-1730 and settled & lived their entire lives in Londonderry Township now Oxford Township, Pennsylvania. John died aged 81 years & 7 months.



  • ii. WILLIAM GUTHRIE, b. 1710, Northern Ireland.
  • iii. ROBERT GUTHRIE, b. 1711, Londonderry, Ulster, Northern Ireland; d. 17 Aug 1782; m. BRIDGET DOUGHERTY, 1736, Northern Ireland; b. 1711, Donegal, Cardonaugh County, Ireland.

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Robert Guthrie

Birth 1711 Londonderry, Ulster, N Ireland Sex Male Died 17 Aug 1782

Father John Guthrie Mother Jane Stuart

Family 1 Bridget Dougherty, b. 1711, Donegal, Cardonaugh County, Ireland Married 1736 Children 1. John Guthrie, b. 11 Jan 1749, Carlisle, Lancaster County, PA

 2. Polly Guthrie, b. 1737, N. Ireland 
 3. Margaret Guthrie, b. 06 May 1753, Carlisle, Cumberland, Pennsylvania, USA 
 4. George Guthrie, b. 1751, Carlisle, Cumberland, Pennsylvania, USA 
 5. Jane Guthrie, b. 1741, N. Ireland 
 6. James Guthrie, b. 1739, N. Ireland 
 7. Robert Guthrie, b. 1737, N. Ireland 

Notes Came to USA through Philadelphia PA. with son Robert in 1744. Wife Bridget followed in 1745 with son James. Moved to Lancaster PA where son John was born. FROM LAURENCE RAWLIN GUTHRIE'S "AMERICAN GUTHRIE AND ALLIED FAMILIES"

Robert Guthrie, of Carlisle, Pennsylvania left behind him the family tradition that he was the great grandson of the Rev. James Guthrie, the martyr, of Stirling, Scotland. The tradition is probably true. Rev. James Guthrie married Jane, daughter of Ramsey of Sheilhill. She with a son William and a daughter Sophia survived him. On February 8, 1666, the widow and daughter were brought before the Privy Council, charged with possessing a treasonable book (understood to have been one of Rev. James Guthrie's writings). They were sentenced to banishment and removed to the North of Ireland. It seems likely that the son was absent from home at this time, perhaps at St. Andrews. January 15, 1669, the widow and daughter were permitted to return to Edinburgh for one month on the occasion of the son's fatal illness. He died on the eve of his licensure for the ministry. He was then quite a young man, but probably married and had a son, who became the father of Robert Guthrie. Robert Guthrie was a Covenanter of the strictest principles, was a carpenter by trade, and we have it on the reliable authority of Robert Walker Guthrie, a Descendant, "a well educated man, - familiar with the classics." Of Robert Guthrie, a descendant, Bayard Guthrie, Esq., writes - "I know little that is certain and can quote no definite or positive authority. He was born in Londonderry in 1711, came to this country in 1740 and settled in Connecticut. He remained there only a short time and moved to Pennsylvania where, among the Irish colonists in Lancaster County, were friends and relatives of himself and wife. He lived in the town of Lancaster and worked at his trade. "Sometime between 1751 & 1754 Robert moved to Cumberland County where he engaged in land speculation. His speculations, however, proving unprofitable, he established himself in Carlisle and returned to his carpenter's bench." The principal available information from the descendants of Robert Guthrie, of Carlisle, concerning him is contained in the following extract from a letter written by George Wilkins Guthrie, Esq., of Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania, under date of June 29, 1893, to his first cousin, Mrs. William J. Lyster, nee Martha Guthrie Doughty.

"My Dear Martha, In 1872, Uncle James Guthrie sent to my father (John B. Guthrie), a paper in the hand-writing of his grand-father, John Guthrie, and it was endorsed in the hand-writing of his father, James Verner Guthrie, showing the descent of the Guthrie family from one Robert Guthrie, who was born in the City of Derry, Ireland. In his letter Uncle James said, 'There was another letter of record containing the Scotch Guthrie branch back to 1702 in Scotland, before leaving for Ireland, but I cannot find it, which I very much regret.' The paper which I have is in the hand-writing of John Guthrie, our great grandfather, and endorsed in the hand-writing of James Verner Guthrie, our grandfather, and dated 1807. It begins with Owen Dougherty, of Cardonough, County Donegal, Ireland, who is said to have been engaged in the wars; to have been blind for fifteen years, and then to have recovered his sight and to have died at the age of 120 years. He left two sons, (1) Edward, commonly called 'Eman Mone,' on account of his remarkable size and strength, and (2) John, and four daughters, (1) Rose, (2) Bridget, (3) Sarah, and (4) Mary. Bridget Dougherty was born in Donegal, Cardonaugh County, in 1711. She married Robert Guthrie in 1736. Their first son, Robert, was born in 1737; their second son, James, in 1739; and a daughter, Jane, in 1741 (the daughter died when she was three years of age). Robert Guthrie, born perhaps 1700, even earlier, and his son, Robert, came to America in 1744, and were followed by his wife and son, James, in 1745. They settled and lived for three or four years in Philadelphia, and from there removed to Lancaster, Pennsylvania, where John Guthrie was born 11 January 1749. When John was a year old they moved to Carlisle, Pennsylvania, and there they had a daughter, Margaret, who was born May 6, 1753". "James Guthrie, the second son of Robert and Bridget, died in 1763; Robert, the father, died in 1782, and Bridget, the mother, in 1794". "John Guthrie was married to Sarah Davis, in 1775; Margaret Guthrie was married to George Brown, in 1774, and had a son called George, in 1775, and died in Carlisle, in 1795. Robert Guthrie, the eldest son of Robert and Bridget, died in Pittsburg, in 1804."

An earnest effort made in recent years to discover the old record referred to in George Wilkins Guthrie's letter, has been fruitless. It was a copy of the record written by Robert Guthrie in his family Bible, giving the names and dates of birth of his children and some information about his coming to this country.

The records of Cumberland County show that a parcel of ground was "granted unto Robert Guthrie the elder in 1750 on the south side of Pomfret street of Carlisle known on the general plan as lot No. 290." This is where the Guthries lived in Carlisle and lies at the extreme eastern end of the street as originally laid out. At one time Robert and his sons Robert and John had three lots at this Township in 1751. Middletown then included Carlisle. Robert Guthrie served in the French and Indian War. From the preceding statement and from inferences drawn from the state of affairs at the time, though family history is silent on the point, it is believed that after Braddock's defeat, and with the renewal of Indian atrocities, which followed it in the Cumberland Valley, Robert Guthrie and family retreated for safety to Coleraine Township, Lancaster County, Pennsylvania. He was active during that time of retirement, with other heroic defenders of the frontiers, in repelling the savage invaders. Just when the family returned to Carlisle is not known, but they were there again in 1762, when both Robert, Sr., and Robert, Jr., took up land. It is said that Robert Guthrie was the organizer of the Carpenters' Guild of Carlisle, famed as the predecessor of the American trade union. It is thought that both Robert Guthrie and his wife, Bridget, were buried in the old cemetery one block south and about a block west of where they lived in Carlisle.