Talk:Early Settlers of Augusta County, Virginia



Jim, you probably need to define what it is that you are going to consider as "Old Augusta". The map I've added shows its approximate boundaries in 1761--by which time the area was fairly well settled. But if you go earlier than that, you encompass such a large area as to make it unmanageable. I'd recommend using the 1761 boundaries, but cutting it off at the West Virginia line to the west. Q 13:21, 20 April 2009 (EDT)

"Home Page"

At this point I'd recommend converting this to a "Home Page" for Early Settlers of Augusta. You don't have to do this, and it may not be necessary depending on how far you want to go with this. But if the idea is to grow this, then using a homepage makes sense. If you go this route, then what I'd suggest is make this basically a navigation page, with links taking you to other pages of interest. You definitely don't want to try and fit everything there is to say about the subject on the same page.

I'd recommend you start out with a simple list of links to various parts of your project. Once that's firmed up (what you want as the basic structure of the project), then you can go back and think about improving the appearance of the navigation page.

One of the first things you need to think about, though, is the geographic boundaries within which area you are focusing your intention. I've put in a map showing the approximate boundaries of Old Augusta. It actually includes areas far to the west and NW, which I don't think you are particularly interested in. I'd recommend cutting it off at the modern VA-WV border on the west. Probably your northern boundary includes modern Rockingham, but not Shannandoah. To the south, I'd probably include ALL of Rockbridge, though the far southern portion of the modern County probably wasn't actually in Old Augusta. But you need to think about this a bit, to see what territory you're going to cover. As a problem to think about, Augusta was formed from Orange county. Some early records for Old Augusta are actually in Orange county records. But do you really want to include Orange? Personally, I'd cut it off to the east following the Blue Ridge as the diividing line, but you may want to do something different. Q 13:51, 19 April 2009 (EDT)

Banner [18 April 2009]

I've temporarily added three images showing a panorama of Augusta County. The first two are drawings that appeared in a regional atlas about 1885----one I've left empty, one I've added "Old Augusta". The third is a modern view of the area from Wiki Commons. An intersesting feature of this image is that it has the same field of view as shown in the 1885 drawing---both are probably looking eastward toward the Blue Ridge, though the photograph was taken from a position considerably further to the west. If you look carefully at the drawing and at the photograph, you can see that the mountain range in the distance matches up with both---most easily seen on the mid right.

tell me what you like and we'll see about using one of these, or another image that fits your needs better Q 21:19, 17 April 2009 (EDT)

I like the "Old Augusta" one, but you might have to crop it horizontally about 1/2 an inch, so it will go to the top of the page...--Delijim 22:17, 17 April 2009 (EDT)

OK, I dropped the other two, can always get them back if you want. Cropping the image won't move it into the whitespace above the image. That's reserved by WikiMedia software. This is as much "at the top of the page" as you can get. I can stretch the image a bit so that it fills more of the screen left to right, with some slight, probably unnoticeable, distortion. But you want to be careful about getting the banner too wide, as some monitors won't display it well. (The sidebars usually get precedence, so if the banner is very wide, it gets squeezed out and forced to the area below the right advertising sidebar.
What I'll do is convert this into a template for you, which will give you the standard look. If you want something to appear below the banner propert (like a link to a page, or a "welcome message" or something, we can add it to the template, and it will appear wherever the banner appears. Q 07:54, 18 April 2009 (EDT)

I've templatized the banner, and included a link that will return the viewer to this homepage. On the homepage it appears as a bolded "welcome message". When you put the template on another page, you'll get the same message, but it will be a blue link. Q 08:03, 18 April 2009 (EDT)

Landowners [21 March 2009]

Hi Jim

Just a bit of info, FYI: The dates on the Hildebrand map are the dates title was transferred to the landowner. ALL of the parcels shown on Hildebrand were acquired by them prior to Borden's death in 1743. Q 21:30, 16 March 2009 (EDT)

Thanks [9 April 2009]

Jim, I appreciate what you are doing here as eventually this will help me out as well. Many of the SW VA settlers came through Augusta so the data you are collecting on these early settlers will be useful. Thanks. Q 20:00, 21 March 2009 (EDT)

Some "fixes" [14 April 2009]

Jim, I took the liberty of making some fixes to the links to some of the WeRelate pages. You don't have to use the complete URL to make a link to a weRelate article. Just hte name in square brackets. Too out the "double equal signs" so it didn't make the headings into sections, and added the title to the end of the link using the "pipe" construct so just the name "Surnames a-C", etc. appears, not the full page title. If you liked it better the other way, I'll revert. Q 14:17, 9 April 2009 (EDT)

Looks great, appreciate the help:) Hopefully, I'll be pretty much done with this article in a few weeks, then I can get to resolving a few "differences" I've found.....

Best regards,

Jim--Delijim 15:45, 14 April 2009 (EDT)

Size of Borden's Grant [20 September 2015]

While there are supposed to have been 92 original settlers, each getting 1000 acres, the actual grant was indeed for 92,100 acres. Where the 100 acres came from is not obvious, but that's what is generally excepted. Q 19:23, 6 May 2009 (EDT)

You've probably gotten the answer in the meantime. I've wondered the same thing. You wrote "that's what's generally excepted?: did you mean "accepted" or "expected"? Isn't the way an importer like Borden makes his profits by giving away only 100 of the 1000 acres? The 100 figure might come from the James Bell suit in 1751 filed to gain gain title to the land his importees settled. My question is if Alexander Breckenridge and family (listed in the abstract of that suit) came because of Borden, why are their tracts in Beverley Manor? Or am I misreading Hillebrand's terrific map?--Brear47 14:43, 12 August 2012 (EDT)

HI folks,

I see that conversations have been quiet here for years; so I don't know how to engage you all in the question I"d like to raise. But I'll try right here.

During my 54 years of genealogical activity, I have spent hundreds of hours making settlers maps, in the spirit of the HIldebrand map that we all love. Notably, I made a Long Cane settlers map of the Abbeville, SC area to which my McMurtry ancestors migrated along with many Augusta/Botetourt/Rockbridge Co settlers migrated as well. Also a map of the Whistle Creek area with the Todds, Youngs, McMurtrys, Huttons, Summers, Halls, CAmpbells, etc.

I have always wanted to make a Buffalo Creek map, but hesitated to do so because of the enormity of the project.

But this could be done as a collaborative project if a few folks interested in creating such a map would be willing to work together to do so. Person A would be responsible for getting copies of the key deeds and grants and transcribing the metes and bounds. I would convert the metes and bounds to maps and try to locate on a modern map and piece together like a quilt. Another person would have to be responsible for looking up neighbors deeds in the Rockbridge County deed index and sending the references to Person A who would order copies and transcribe the metes and bounds.

Do you think we could put together a team to do this?

Richard McMurtry--Rmcmurtry 15:18, 20 September 2015 (UTC)