Person talk:Lydia Shaw (19)

From Lydia Shaw (14): Lydia Ann Shaw [22 December 2013]

WeRelate records for Lydia Shaw appear to have undergone several changes, some of which apparently caused errors which have since been corrected. Sometime during these changes, the following biographical information was merged into this page, but it should be noted that it refers to her niece Lydia Ann Shaw (1826-1901), and is also present on her niece's Person page. I have left it here because it provides background for the following discussion.--DataAnalyst 23:12, 22 December 2013 (UTC)

Lydia Ann Shaw is undoubtedly the daughter of Samuel Shaw and Nancy Anderson Shaw. That is made clear in "Portrait and Biographical Album of Barry and Eaton Counties, Mich." Chicago: Chapman Bros. 1891 [Google Books] pp 633-34.

"MRS LYDIA A. BULL. This highly respected lady has lived in Barry County for a number of years and is numbered among its wealthy residents. She was born near Circleville, Fairfield County [Circleville is in Pickaway County], Ohio, October 24, 1826, and is a daughter of Samuel and Nancy (Anderson) Shaw. She comes of old Southern families and was carefully reared in accordance with the customs of the period during which her girlhood was passed. She obtained a good education in the schools of the day and a practical knowledge of the household duties which belong to woman's province, and at the same time acquired the principles and habits which make her a valued member of society.

Mrs. Bull is a grand-daughter of William Shaw, who was born in Maryland and went to Virginia before his marriage. In 1810 he removed to Ohio, where he remained until 1831 when he removed to Michigan, in which State he spent the later years of his life. He reared three sons and three daughters, the second son being Samuel, father of our subject. Samuel Shaw was born December 8, 1798 in the Old Dominion [Virginia], and was just entering his teens when he accompanied his parents to Ohio. There he grew to manhood and married Nancy Anderson, who was born in Kentucky May 4, 1798. Her parents, Elijah and Marian Anderson, were natives of Virginia and Kentucky respectively and were of the Baptist faith.

In the fall of 1831 Samuel Shaw and his wife came with a party of more than a score of men and women to Cass County, Mich., making the journey with teams according to the primitive fashion. The Shaws settled on forty acres of land in Galena Township and there Mrs. Shaw died August 13, 1847. The bereaved husband made his home with his children from that time until his death, January 29, 1877. He and his wife were active members of the Methodist Episcopal Church. To them were born twelve children, viz.: Marian, William B., John A., Thornton A., Lydia A., Richard B., Sarah, Elijah, Lelia K., Abner, Alice I. and Erastus S. The last-named died in infancy and the others lived to establish homes of their own. Richard served in the Union army and died at Covington, Ky., and Elijah was a soldier for three years, and died while on a visit to our subjects March 9, 1891.

The marriage of Miss Lydia A. Shaw to Albert Ebenezer Bull was solemnized at the bride's home November 19, 1846. Mr. Bull was born in Sheffield, Berkshire County, Mass., and reared on a farm, although his father, William Bull was a physician. After completing his preliminary studies Mr. Bull studied surveying, which he followed more or less during his life. He did professional work in Florida and in Michigan, and while surveying in this State located a large tract of land that is known as Bull's Prairie. It is in Rutland Township, Barry County. At the time of his death Mr. Bull owned five hundred acres there and two hundred in Irving Township. When he left home his capital consisted of $500 and when he died he was one of the wealthiest citizens of Barry County. He was a merchant in Schoolcraft for many years and also carried on commercial life at White Pigeon. He moved onto his farm about 1857 and lived there until his death, March 5, 1865. He was then sixty-three years of age. He was a liberal donator to public enterprises and during the war contributed generously to free the township from the draft. He was a stanch Union man and as he was beyond the age of army service he did what he could to aid the cause in other ways.

Mrs. Bull made a second marriage. The man to whom she gave her hand being Albert Eton Bull, a nephew of her former husband and a son of William J. Bull. He came to Michigan in 1864. She of whom we write was a second time left a widow, November 12, 1878, when her husband died at the age of forty-six years. She subsequently traded her interest in the estate for two hundred acres on section 1, Yankee Springs Township, and section 36, Thorn Apple Township, where she now makes her home. This farm is one of the finest in the township, with many substantial improvements, including an attractive residence and all the modern conveniences in the way of farm buildings. Mrs. Bull has been a member of the Congregational Church for twenty-five years and is a liberal contributor to church work and all benevolent enterprises. Her second husband was a Deacon in that religious body and was one of its strong pillars, and contributed of his means to that body."

It seems this WeRelate entry on Lydia Shaw has been totally messed up and needs to be corrected!

--Gunnj 06:58, 9 June 2013 (EDT)

I am separating Lydia Ann Shaw (1826-1921) from Lydia Shaw (born 1804). These are NOT the same person. And, I believe it's clear that it is Lydia Ann who married Albert Bull, not this Lydia.--Gunnj 07:17, 9 June 2013 (EDT)

The only error in this entry is that I accidentally put Bull on both Lydia's....I'm aware of both of them and had attached the bio of Lydia #2 to her. I have no problem making corrections, no ones genealogy work is flawless, however I really think you'd do better to soften your tone....your accusatory attitude wasn't appreciated. This site is for collaboration, which requires the CIVIL working together for the best outcome. I have to wonder why you hadn't posted the Shaw family yourself? I am brand new to this site and I'm in a learning curve. At present I'm just trying to get people on here as I have 12,000 in my tree and have to break down family branches in order to upload them here as you can only upload 3,000 at a time. Once I get them on here, my next priority is adding pictures to them as that brings the person to life and I have over 1,200 pictures to add plus documents. I have been doing my tree for 25 years and the reason I'm going to all this trouble in duplicating my work is that I'm a firm believer that the information should be out there free for everyone's use. Please be kinder in the future and make your corrections or additions without the attitude, it will be greatly appreciated. Thanks--Sthurston 10:36, 9 June 2013 (EDT)

The problem is that Lydia Ann Shaw was gone. She was completely replaced by the new Lydia Shaw, or perhaps just deleted. That may not have been your doing. Or it may have been an accident. In any case, it took about 2 hours of work for me to reestablish the page and all the appropriate connections (the original work represents weeks of research on my part). This wiki is a great resource, but if you make changes you are not certain of and that may significantly impact work that has previously been done by others, please be cautious: suggest a change on "talk", contact the other "watcher(s)" about your idea, or make a tentative change that can be easily removed if proven incorrect. The "alternate" information function in WeRelate works well for this purpose.--Gunnj 17:13, 9 June 2013 (EDT)

I am the one that added the Shaw's to this site and my ged.com had both Lydia's with the correct info except what I've stated. I did not get rid of one of the Lydia's....and AGAIN I find your post to me very rude. I do not need to be "schooled" by you, if you have additions or corrections to my work, why don't you just do them or contact me to clarify if you see a problem. Please don't contact me again unless you are prepared to communicate in a civil tone....you are making me think twice about participation in this wonderful site....if people here are like you, I'll keep my work to myself!!--Sthurston 22:00, 9 June 2013 (EDT)

Multiple Lydia Shaws [22 December 2013]

There do seem to be a multitude of Lydia Shaws! And the second marriage of the Lydia b.24 Oct 1826 doesn't help sort them out.

Because I 'm a member of the committee that checks potential duplicate entries (which aren't supposed to happen), this has been a particularly puzzling situation, one that really needed to be cleared up. I've added some sources to the page for Lydia b. 1804 that hopefully will help sort these two women out. It looks like she is the aunt of Lydia b.24 Oct 1826. Based on this, it does look as though it is the younger Lydia who married the two Albert Bulls. Of course, if someone has better sources (original sources, and/or primary information), the pages can be changed again to fit that better information.

Because the added information does raise questions about this (the older) Lydia's marriage(s) to Albert Bull, I'm adding warnings to the two family pages, but they can also be deleted -- would anyone object?

Thanks, --GayelKnott 18:14, 15 July 2013 (EDT)

I have gone ahead and removed the two family pages for the marriages of the older Lydia Shaw to the 2 Albert Bulls (I unlinked them from Lydia and then merged them with the correct marriages). I believe the information is now correct. I found the marriage registration for Lydia's first marriage, which confirms that she was the younger Lydia (age 20 in 1846) and the biographical notes (published during her lifetime) confirm that the same Lydia married 2 different Albert Bulls (uncle and nephew).--DataAnalyst 23:16, 22 December 2013 (UTC)