Person:Norman Phelps (2)

Norman was 76 years old when he died. He is buried in the Ortonville Cemetery, Ortonville, MI. This verse is on his gravestone:

Sweet is my beneath the ground Till Gabriel blows the trumpet sound Then Christ will come and bid me rise And live with him above the skies

Abstracts of Revolutionary War Pension files for Norman PHELPS lists:

Phelps, Norman CT line, S29384. sol applied 18 Aug. 1832 at Fort Ann, NY.page 69 on 9 Nov 1831 and on 4 Mar. 1840 sol had moved to Groveland in Oakland Co. MI. having moved there from Fort Ann in Washington Co. NY. to be with his children. sol lived at Hebron,CT at enl and after the Revolution he lived at Hebron, Ct. then moved to Moretown, (HoosickFalls, NY.) for 2 years, then to Cambridge, NY. for 1 year then to Kingsbury, NY. then to Fort Ann, NY. His oath was taken by Manley IRISH,perhaps a grandson. Norman served as a musician and Private with Capt. SHERMAN'S Co., Col LATIMEER'S Regt. and other Companies of the Connecticut Line. He enlisted four times between 1777 and 1781.

Norman was listed in the Censuses as being in Kingsbury, NY. in 1790; Westfield (now Fort Ann) in 1800; Queensbury, NY in 1810; and Fort Ann, NY. in 1820 and 1830.

The following heirs and assigns sold their interest in Norman PHELPS'S original holding in Lot # 53, Lake George Tract, to his son-in-law and daughter Asa W. and Polly BRAYTON, (PHELPS) in 1877: Norman PHELPS Jr.; Delia HARRIS, (PHELPS); Grandeos PHELPS; Sally IRISH, (PHELPS) of Michigan; Amasa PHELPS of Wisconsin and Grace DELAVERGNE, (PHELPS) and her husband Samuel DELAVERGNE both of Iowa.

Re: Revolutionary War Record for Phelps, Norman SR. GTerry6845 (View posts) Posted: 19 Jan 2005 8:30PM

Classification: Query Surnames: Phelps Hi Herb,

WE do have your Norman Phelps listed in our DAR Patriot Index.

PHELPS , Norman Birth: CT 11- -1763 Rank: Pvt Service: CT Death: MI 18 Sep 1840 Patriot Pensioned: Yes Widow Pensioned: No Children Pensioned: No Heirs Pensioned: No Occupation: Mus Spouse: (1) Sarah Cole

(begin page 11) On this eighteenth day of August one thousand eight (hundred) and thirty two personally appeared before me John Mops a Judge of Washington County Courts, Norman Phelps a resident of the town of Fort Ann in the county of Washington and state of New York aged sixty nine years the ninth day of November last past who being duly sworn according to law doth on his oath make the following declaration in order to obtain the benefit of the act of Congress passed June 7, 1832:

That I entered the service of the United States under the following named officers and served as herein stated. That in the latter part of August in the year of 1777 resided in the town of Hebron, County of Hartford in the State of Connecticut. And at that time and year I volunteered into the service of the United States as a Musician in the militia of Connecticut entered the service under the command of Capt. John Skinner and Col Latimer commanded this regiment. Jack Jones was the Lieut Col and we marched to Stillwater and joined Gen Poor’s Brigade and were stationed on Bemis Heights where we remained for two (or) three weeks at which time Gen Burgoyne (The English commander) with his army was advancing and on the fourteenth of Sept he encamped on the heights of Saratoga. The Indians and Tories were committing their deprecation and there were small skirmishes at our out parts and on the night of the seventeenth Burgoyne encamped within a few miles and the next day we were employed in repairing bridges between the two camps and preparations were making for battle and on the nineteenth of Sept about two o’clock we were informed the enemy was approaching on our left where the battle commenced and then there was a general battle which continued until dark when we retired to our camp. I was informed the enemy lay on their arms all night. This battle was very severe. A great many killed and wounded. Neither party obtained the victory, although both claimed it. The next day Burgoyne retired a short distance. Both armies retained their distance position until the seventh day of October when there was another general battle that night and darkness put an end to the action. We lay all night with our arms in our hand ready to receive the assault the (end page 11)

(begin page 12) next day but in the cover of the night Burgoyne drew off his whole army to his strong camp on the river heights and on the eighth day of October at night he retreated to Saratoga. There came on a heavy rain. We pursued them and buried their dead. Gen Frazer (An English general) was wounded and died. Our forces had increased so much that Burgoyne was wholly surrounded. He did not retreat further than the falls north of Fish Creek and on the sixteenth of October he surrendered. We then marched to Albany where we encamped until I was discharged. I served at this time and did my duty as a Musician two months and returned home to Hebron aforesaid where I resided until in the month of June in the year of 1778 when I enlisted in the Connecticut State Troops under the command (of) Capt Lathran & Lieut Elijah Buck for six months. We marched to Groveton east of New London where we joined Col Lidgard regiment where we were stationed and was employed in building Fort Griswold and were engaged during the whole time of my enlistment before we had completed it which was in November when I was discharged. I served and did my duty as a private soldier six months and returned to Hebron aforesaid where I resided until the first of June in the year of 1780 when I enlisted in the Connecticut State Troops or new ( ) to fill up the continental line and went into the service for six months under the command of the Capt named Teannot Wolcut, Lieut Grovener we marched to Clarks Town near Topon Bay on the north river where we joined Col Hezekiel Holdridge’s regiment and Brig Gen Kunton’s brigade. We were stationed and encamped in Clarks Town. In the ( ) Gen George Washington came to review the troops in company with two Indian chiefs. At one time we were commanded by order of General Washington after we had been there about four months to move our encampment for the health of the troops. When went to Florvy Straw about four miles and encamped. During this time Major Arnold was hung for (being) a spy and Gen Green took his department and marched to the southward to meet Cornwallis. By the order of the commander in chief we remained here until the first of Dec when my time expired and I received a written discharge signed by Col Hezekial Holdridge which I gave on my return to my father. I do not know where it (is) nor what has become of it. I served and did my duty as a private soldier six months & returned (end of page 12)

(begin page 13) to Hebron aforesaid and on the first of April in the year 1781 I enlisted in the Connecticut State Troops for one year as a Musician. ( ) Lieut Root was the muster master. After I enlisted we were employed in drilling and in testing soldiers about two months and then we marched to Middlesex Hill where we was met by the enemy and a small skirmish ensued between us. We retreated. Had three men killed. We then marched to Stanford and Horse Neck where we joined our Capt Moulton and ensign Cutter which was the company I belonged to. We were there also attached to Brig Gen Sholerteury’s brigade where we were stationed as a guard to the ( ) ( ). We built barracks for winter quarters on the back of Talmer’s Hill where we encamped for winter. And sometimes in the winter the refugees commanded by Gen Dilingser came in sight of us to take our garrison. Capt Niland went out with a party and met them. He killed several and drove the rest away. We had several skirmishes with them during the winter and the first of April in the year of 1782 Gen Sholerteury marched us into Sanford Town where we were discharged. I served and did my duty as a Musician one year and returned home to the town of Hebron aforesaid where I resided until after the revolutionary war. And then moved to Moretown where I resided two years. I then moved to the town of Cambridge where I lived one year. From there I moved into Kingsbury and lived (there) three years. I moved from there into the town of Fort Ann where I now live and have lived ever since. That I have no documentary evidence and that I know of no person whose testimony I can provide who can testify to my service except Jonathon Horton and John Powers whose affidavits are hereunto annexed. That I was born in the town of Hebron, County of Hartford in the year of 1763 and State of Connecticut. That I have received no discharge in writing except the one which is already accounted for. That there is no clergyman living in the neighborhood where I reside. That in the town book in Hebron aforesaid there is a record of my age. And that I cannot attend the court from my bodily infirmities that Nathanial Pitcher and Reuben C Gibson are persons who I am known in my present neighborhood who can testify as to my character for veracity and their belief of my living as a soldier of the revolution.(end page 13)

(Begin page 14) I hereby relinquish every claim whatever to a pension of annuity except the present and ( ). That my name is not on the pension roll of the agency of any state.

Signed Norman Phelps Sworn to and subscribed the day and year aforesaid before me John Mafs.

Nathaniel Pitcher and Reuben C Gibson residing in the town of Kingsbury hereby certify that we are well acquainted with Norman Phelps who has subscribed and sworn to the above declaration that we believe him to be sixty nine years of age that he is respected and believed in the neighborhood where he resides to have been a soldier of the revolution and we concur in that opinion. Signed Nathaniel Pitcher and Reuben C Gibson Sworn and subscribed the day and year aforesaid before me John Mops.

And I the said Judge do hereby declare my opinion after the investigation of the matters and after getting the interrogatories subscribed by the war department that the above named applicant was a revolutionary soldier and served as he stated and I the said Judge further certifies that it appears to me that Nathanial Pitcher and Reuben C Gibson who has signed the preceding certificate are entitled to credit.

I further certify that the applicant Norman Phelps cannot from bodily infirmity attend the court. State of New York, Washington County. Signed John Mops

I, John L Leigh Clerk of the said county do certify that John Mops before whom the preceding declaration, certificates and affidavits purports to have been sworn was at the date of the ( ) one of the judges of Washington County Courts of Common Pleas in and for said County and also (end page 14)

(begin page 16) State of New York Washington County personally appeared this 17th day of August in the year of the lord one thousand eight hundred and thirty two, before me Joshua Pelton, one of the justices of the peace and for the town of Hartford, County of aforesaid, Jonathon Horton a person well known to me and of undoubted truth and veracity and deposeth and saith that he is acquainted with Norman Phelps and knows that he was in the state service of the State of Connecticut and that he served as Musician under the command of General Poor in the Company of Captain John Skinner at Bemas’s Heights in the State of New York in the revolutionary war at the taking of General Burgoyne in the year 1777 a little over two months at that time and this deponent being in the service at the same time and further this deponent saith not. Signed Jonathon Horton Subscribed and sworn before me this 17th day of August 1832 Joshua Pelton Justice of the Peace. (end page 16)

(begin page 17) State of New York Warren County Personally appeared this 14th day of August in the year one thousand eight hundred and thirty two, before Hobby Mead one of the judges of the court of Common Pleas in and for said County John Powers a person to me well known deposeth and saith that Norman Phelps was in the service of the State of Connecticut and served as a drummer under the command of General Mabrberry, Capt Moulton at Stanford and Horsneck in the revolutionary war to guard the ( ) for one year this deponent being in the service at the same time and thinks they served about a year, and in the year 1781, and further this deponent saith not. Signed John Power Subscribed and sworn this 14th day of August 1832 before me. Signed Hobby Mead. (end page 17)

(begin page 18) State of New York Warren County, John Powers being duly sworn according to law deposeth and saith that he was well acquainted with Norman Phelps as a revolutionary soldier whose declaration in order to attain the benefit of the act of Congress passed June 7th 1832 is hereunto annexed. This deponent further saith that Norman Phelps enlisted in Connecticut State Troops in the month of April in the year of 1781 for one year as a Musician and went into the service under the command of Capt Moulton and was attached to the Waterberry brigade. And this deponent further saith he was in the United States service at the same time and that Norman Phelps did his duty as a Musician in the service during the whole term of his enlistment and was discharged in April in the year of 1782 and this deponent further saith not. Signed John Powers Certify the above oath or affidavit was taken before me in due form of law on this 19th day of Sept 1832 and that the said John Powers is a man of truth & veracity Signed Ira A Paddock ( ) Court of Common Pleas (end page 18)

9,682Phelps, NormanFort Ann, NY12.00 War of 1812 Pensions

1. ↑ ^{1.0 1.1 1.2} U.S. Department of Veterans Affairs. National Cemetery Administration. U.S. Veterans Gravesites, ca.1775-2019. (Online database: Ancestry.com Operations Inc., 2006)
   Database online.

   Record for Norman Phelps _ABBR: National Cemetery Administration, U.S. Veterans Gravesites, ca.1775-2006 (Provo, UT, USA: The Generations Network, Inc., 2006), Database online.

   National Cemetery Administration, U.S. Veterans Gravesites, ca.1775-2006 (Provo, UT, USA: The Generations Network, Inc., 2006), Database online.

2. ↑ Phelps Family of America
   Phelps, John Jr p228 pers#519.
3. ↑ Hebron Vital Records, in Connecticut, United States. The Barbour Collection of Connecticut Town Vital Records
   2:228.

   PHELPS, Normand, s. John, Jr. & Desire, b. Nov. 8, 1763

4. ↑ ^4.0 4.1 Genealogies
   Genealogical and Family History of Central New York, Vol 1,2 &3.
5. ↑ ^5.0 5.1 Washington, New York, United States. 1790 U.S. Census Population Schedule
   Database online. Kingsbury, Washington, New York, roll M637_6, page , image 0255.

   Record for Norman Phelps

   Ancestry.com, 1790 United States Federal Census (Provo, UT, USA: The Generations Network, Inc., 2000), Database online. Kingsbury, Washington, New York, roll M637_6, page , image 0255.

6. ↑ ^6.0 6.1 Washington, New York, United States. 1800 U.S. Census Population Schedule
   Database online. Westfield, Washington, New York, roll 26, page 577, image 287.

   Record for Norman Phelps

   Ancestry.com, 1800 United States Federal Census (Provo, UT, USA: The Generations Network, Inc., 2004), Database online. Westfield, Washington, New York, roll 26, page 577, image 287.

7. ↑ Washington, New York, United States. 1810 U.S. Census Population Schedule
   Database online. Queensbury, Washington, New York, roll 30, page 364, image 298.00.

   Record for Norman Phelps

   Ancestry.com, 1810 United States Federal Census (Provo, UT, USA: The Generations Network, Inc., 2004), Database online. Queensbury, Washington, New York, roll 30, page 364, image 298.00.

8. ↑ ^8.0 8.1 Washington, New York, United States. 1830 U.S. Census Population Schedule
   Database online. Fort Ann, Washington, New York, roll 111, page 320, image 629.

   Record for Norman Phelps

   Ancestry.com, 1830 United States Federal Census (Provo, UT, USA: The Generations Network, Inc., 2004), Database online. Fort Ann, Washington, New York, roll 111, page 320, image 629.

9. ↑ Washtenaw, Michigan, United States. 1840 U.S. Census Population Schedule
   Database online. , Washtenaw, Michigan, roll 211, page 63.

   Record for Norman Phelps

   Ancestry.com, 1840 United States Federal Census (Provo, UT, USA: The Generations Network, Inc., 2004), Database online. , Washtenaw, Michigan, roll 211, pages 63, 120.

10. ↑ Online Resource
    http://www.usgennet.org/usa/ny/state/1812/l-p/personius-phillips.html.
11. ↑ Washington, New York, United States. 1820 U.S. Census Population Schedule
    Database online. Fort Ann, Washington, New York, roll M33_76, page 149, image 269.

    Record for Norman Phelps Senr

    Ancestry.com, 1820 United States Federal Census (Provo, UT, USA: The Generations Network, Inc., 2004), Database online. Fort Ann, Washington, New York, roll M33_76, page 149, image 269.

12. ↑ Military Pensions
    Norman Phelps-various pension file copies.
13. ↑ Cemetery Records
    Vol. 6, Ortonville Cemetery, Groveland Township.

    Inscriptions copied by Merle Perry Jr in July of 1964. Book on file with the Flint Public Library

14. ↑ Norman Phelps/9-18-1840/76y10m
15. ↑ Free white males 16 & over = 1 (that would be Norman himself at age 27)
    Free white males under 16=1 (that would be Norman, Jr at age 2)
    Free white females = 2 (this number should be 3-We know of Sally age 5, Grace age 4 and his wife Sarah Cole age 25)
    
    So on this first census we are missing one female who should be there. Possibly one person was simply out of the house, or possibly our understanding of the family of Norman Phelps, Sr is incorrect.
16. ↑ Less than 10 =1 (we have John at 3 months and Alpheus at age 5) So one extra person
    10-16 =2 (we have Norman Jr age 12 and Amasa age 10)
    45 + = 1 (this would refer to Norman, Sr himself, however he is 37-perhaps just entered into the wrong column)
    Females:
    0-10 = 3 (we do not know of anyone for this category!)
    10-16 = 2 (that would be Grace 14 and Sally 15-we were missing 1 female in 1790, but the people we expected to see then, are here in 1800)
    45 + =1 (this would be his wife Sarah, but she is 35, again probably the wrong column.)
    
    So we have one extra person for the male category and 3 extra from the female category, but we have found the missing people from 1790. So our understanding of 1790 seems to be correct, but our understanding of 1800 is either incorrect or possibly there are other people living in the household. No relation is given, we are just getting a record of the number of people there. So if non-children of Norman’s are living in the household our understanding could actually be correct.
17. ↑ 1810 provides a very confusing picture. We have 3 people named Norman Phelps in Washington County. Two of them are in Queensbury, living side by side, and one is labeled Junior, so it would be easy to assume those are the correct two. But, they are not in Fort Ann and the other one is in Fort Ann. Could Norman have moved and been counted twice? On the family.phelpsinc web site, some of his children are born in Queensbury and some in Fort Ann. The Queensbury Births are in 1795 and 1805, with 1800 and 1802 being in Fort Ann. That suggests repeated moves back and forth. Or perhaps there really are two of them, and their family records are confusingly intertwined with each other. So let’s look at both beginning with the Fort Ann entry.
    
    Males: 0-10 = 2 (Samuel age 8 and Benjamin age 1)
    10-15 = 3 (John 10, Alpheus 15) We have one extra child. But perhaps Amasa age 20 is counted in the wrong column.
    26-44 = 1 (this would be Norman, but he is 47)
    Females:
    0-10 = 1 (Mary age 5)
    26-44 =1 (this would be his wife Sarah, but she is 45. I would say close enough on this.)
    
    Now let’s looks at the Queensbury entry. Remember this one is right after the Norman Phelps, Junior entry (whose age and wife’s age are correct, no children yet) so we would presume it would be the correct entry.
18. ↑ This one is listed right after Norman Phelps, Junior and is labeled Norman Phelps, Senior
    Males:10-16 = 1 ( Benjamin 11)
    16-18 = 1 (Samuel 18)
    18-26 = 2 (John 20, Alpheus 25)
    45 + = 1 (Norman is 57)
    females:
    10-16 = 1 (Mary 15)
    26-45 = 1 (Sarah Cole is 55, perhaps entered in wrong column)
    
    Other than Sarah’s age this one is exactly what we would expect.
19. ↑ males:
    20-30 = 3 (Benjamin 21, Samuel 28, John 30) John was not there 10 years earlier
    50-60 = 1 (Norman is 67, perhaps entered in wrong column)
    females:
    15-20 =2 (these could be children of Samuel or John)
    60-70 = 1 (Sarah is 65)
20.   Ancestry.com, 1840 United States Federal Census (Provo, UT, USA: The Generations Network, Inc., 2004), Database online. , Oakland, Michigan, roll 209, page 143.
21. ↑ Males: 70-80 = 1
    Females: 70-80 = 1