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- John Frederick Ide was married to Minnie Zeltwanger on 25 December 1884, by Rev Frederick William Berleman (minister of Salem Reformed Church), Philadelphia, Philadelphia County, Pennsylvania. (He also married their daughter Anna.) The witnesses were Friedrich Bickhardt and Mattheis Kellmeier.
- John (whose name is listed as Frederick in the marriage register) was a baker.
- Based on the incomplete information we now have, John and Minnie initially lived north of Center City, in the 14th ward. They moved south of Center City, probably late in 1886, and lived initially in the very crowded 2nd ward (about 1887-1890). They had moved a little further south by the end of 1890, into the 1st ward, where they stayed (at various addresses) at least until 1900. In 1910, they were living in northern Philadelphia again (26 blocks north of Market). They then had a farm in Bucks County.
- According to Kawaguchi, in 1880, about 3% of the Germans in Philadelphia lived in the 14th ward, and about 3% of the native-born Whites lived there also. Blacks (2.4%) and Irish (1.6%) were relatively underrepresented. In this sample, 93 German males and 544 native-born white males lived in the 14th ward, along with 25 Blacks and 69 Irish. The total number in the sample is 1034 Black, 4429 Irish, 3068 German, and 16601 native-born White. In an earlier study, Burstein found that ‘Germans are strongly underrepresented in the southern and western parts of the city and are heavily overrepresented in the northeast, in an area in close proximity to both the central business district and the industries of Kensington and Northern Liberties. The only area outside the northeast in which the German-born are overrepresented is ward 20, to the northwest'. Kawaguchi notes that in 1880 "[t]he Germans continued to favor wards 19 and 20" (p.235 n.26). Ward 20 was north of ward 14, and ward 19 was northeast of ward 20. I don't know why her data and his disagree. But in any case, they agree that ward 14 did not have a disproportionately large number of Germans.
- The first address we have for them is 708 North 13th Street, in the 14th ward, which had about the same percentage of German-born males as the entire city. John was a baker, and they seem to have been poor, since their daughter Johanna Wilhelmine was buried in a donated grave, rather than one they purchased, though perhaps her dying of diphtheria forced her burial there. Their first children, who were twins, were born there. Elizabeth Helena Ide and Johanna Wilhelmina Ide were born on the 28th of January 1886, delivered by Adelheid Coll. The twins were baptized at Salem Reformed Church (at Fairmount Avenue, near North 4th Street) on the 15th of February.
- Five months later, on 29 June, Johanna Wilhelmina died at 1341 Mascher, in the 17th [?] ward, of diphtheria. She was buried in Lafayette Cemetery on 30 June, in a donated grave--25 infants were buried in this plot.
- Later that year, they seem to have moved south, to the overcrowded second ward. According to the 1887 and 1890 city directories, John was a weaver. This is particularly odd because the birth records for the children born in 1886, 1888, and 1890 list him as a baker! Perhaps this is related to Christian Zeltwanger, who was a weaver, and was living with them at least in 1887. They lived at 116 Carpenter in 1886 and 1887. Their son John was born there on 17 May 1888, with Katharine Weisenberger the midwife. They must have been happy with her, because she was the midwife for the rest of her children. They had moved next door, to 118 Carpenter, by 1890.
- By the end of 1890, they had moved to the 1st ward. The city directories for 1891, 1892, 1893, and 1894 still list John as a weaver, although (yet again!) the birth register for 1892 lists him as a baker. This again may be connected with Christian Zeltwanger, who is listed in the directories as a weaver in 1891, and who was living with them at least in 1891 and 1892. 1893 saw a major depression. According to a WWW discussion of the depression, "It was computed that nine commercial houses out of every thousand doing business in the United States failed in 1873; in 1893, the similar reckoning showed thirteen failures in every :
- However, Philadelphia was not as badly affected as other cities: "Philadelphia, though suffering, suffered less than other great industrial centers. One reason was that Philadelphia did not depend on the complex of iron, railroad, and coal for its sole support. It was the diffused diversity of the city's economy, its mixture of big plants and small, almost home industries, that kept the balance.' (Burt and Davies, ‘The iron age', p.481)
- It's tempting to wonder whether the depression of 1893 might have ended John's career as a weaver--but that must be pure speculation.
- Their daughter Anna was born at 602 Wilder. Their next address was longer-lasting; they were at 436 Wilder (1st ward), from 1891 through 1895. Christian Zeltwanger was living with them at least in 1891 and 1892, and died there of ‘injuries accidentally received' on the 9th of April 1892. He was buried in Northwood Cemetery, Philadelphia, on the 12th of April, in a plot that now also holds John, Minnie, four of their children, and one grandchild. John and Minnie purchased the lot for $40. Their son Harry was born at 436 Wilder shortly after that, on 11 July.
- By June 1895 they had moved to 407 Wilder (still in the 1st ward), where they stayed until 1897. Their daughter Louisa was born there on 23 June, and died there when she was only one year old, on the 7th of July 1896, of convulsions, apparently associated with difficult dentition. Her physician was J Neely Rhoads, of 1610 South 7th Street, Philadelphia. She was buried in the family lot in Northwood, on 10 July. The undertaker for her funeral, like Christian Zeltwanger's, was S Buttenklepper.
- They were about a block north, at 1311 S Leithgow, in 1898. Their son Conrad was born at 321 Greenwich, on 28 July 1898. Later that year they moved to 412 Greenwich (1899 and 1900).
- According to the 1900 census, they were living in the 1st ward, and renting; Minnie had had 7 children, 5 of whom were alive. All of the children were at school, including Conrad who was just 1 year old! (A law making school attendance compulsory was passed in 1895.)
- By 1910 they had moved north, to 1010 W Huntingdon, in the 37th ward, where they were renting. Their children had started to leave. Their son Harry wasn't living with them, apparently because he was doing "general work" at the Colonnade hotel at 1500-1506 Chestnut. Their son John was also not there, but John Sr's brother August was. Later that year, on 23 November, Anna Ide married Clarence Egolf. The minister was Frederick William Berleman, the same minister who had married John and Minnie 28 years earlier.
- Later, John and Minnie bought land in Bucks County, PA, and had a farm. They first purchased land in Bedminster Township from Mary Irene Roth and her husband, on 5 April 1909, which they sold on 13 August 1915 to Charles Hellwarth. They later purchased land in Plumstead Township from Joseph Hander and his wife, on 29 June 1916.
- On 12 September 1918, their son Conrad registered for the draft. He and they were living at 1 RFD Doylestown, Bucks County, Pennsylvania; Conrad (and no doubt John) was a farmer.
- Their son John married Pauline (Weng) Frank on 3 November :
- Perhaps John and Minnie were visiting their son John when the census-taker came around in 1920, since the census-taker wrote John's name and age in John Jr's household before crossing it out. But they were living on 2 Stump Road, in Plumstead Township, Bucks County, Pennsylvania, with their children Elizabeth and Conrad, where John was a farmer. Their daughter Anna Egolf was living with her family on Dublin Pike, in Doylestown Township, Bucks County, Pennsylvania.
- The John Ide, baker, in the 1925 Philadelphia city directory, at 4800 Richmond, is presumably their son.
- John died in 1929, and Minnie in 1946. (See their individual pages for more details.)
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