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Inconsistency between two marriages [4 May 2011]
The overlap in dates between the two marriages seems a problem. "Peeter" son of Joseph and Lydia was indeed born in 1714 according to Andover VR, two years after the marriage of Joseph and Abigail Michel in 1712.Possible explanations include: two separate Joseph Parkers, a second marriage for Joseph, the father of Joseph b 1682, or an incorrect birthdate in Andover VR for Peter (less likely). Note that Joseph and Lydia (I've not found the evidence that she is Lydia Frye) had a son Joseph in Nov 1700, presumably the brother of "Peeter". Would you agree to the removal of the Lydia marriage for Joseph born 1682?--Brear47 09:33, 1 May 2011 (EDT)
This page was created by a GEDCOM upload in 2009, and the user has not made a contribution since a month after that date, so doesn't appear to be active. Joseph Parker on this page married Abigail Mitchell, probably too young to be marrying in 1700. The Joseph Parker who married Lydia Frye was son of Nathan, b. 1671. The source is Cutter, not perfect, but generally reliable unless supplanted by modern research or fooled by commonly believed errors. You should fix this page, being sure to cite the sources. You can delete references to Ancestry Trees, they are not credible sources. --Jrich 09:57, 1 May 2011 (EDT)
- Right on, particularly vis-a-vis Ancestry. I'm going to detach the Michel marriage because I see the Peter Parker line (is this Spidermans's tree?) was the line that descends. But that does not address your valid objection, so maybe I'll detatch both marriages from Joseph b 1682 pending stronger evidence.--Brear47 11:47, 1 May 2011 (EDT)
- Don't understand what you mean by detaching both marriages. Andover VRs show the marriage of Joseph to Abigail Mitchell and Ellery Bicknell Crane says that Joseph was the son of Joseph Parker and Elizabeth Bridges, the one who's birth is 27 Feb 1681-2 in Andover VRs. There are parts of two people on this page, which part stays and which part goes? --Jrich 12:16, 1 May 2011 (EDT)
- Are you saying Crane says that Joseph who married Abigail was son of Joseph and Eliz Bridges? If so he should stay attached. Which Crane source is it? Which Cutter source for Lydia's Joseph? Otherwise, if there's no source stating who Joseph b 1681/82 married, then neither marriage should be on his page, there's too many Joseph Parkers; but the marriage pages can stay attached to the wives.
- It is somewhat "poor form" (quoting Capt. Hook) to detach things without providing reasons or fixing the situation by matching everybody with their correct spouses, in the process providing enough information to show the old answer incorrect. Now, occasionally, you can find a reputable source that is likely to have done the proverbial exhaustive search, like the Great Migration Begins, and it may state that there is no evidence that such and such a tradition is true, and this may be cited in removing facts without actually providing the alternative. Sometimes, the match is so bad that mere common sense is enough (i.e., once I saw a posting that paired one of the many Roger Dearings of Maine with a woman 150 year younger than he was). On this particular page, one could have removed Lydia Frye on the argument that a person born early 1682 would not be of legal age in 1700 when Lydia married her Joseph Parker. But to simply remove both marriages because they lacked sources would be approaching discourtesy. Even now, having cited Crane, and hopefully justifying somewhat that this Joseph Parker did marry Abigail Mitchell, this page is not really on all that much firmer of a foundation than it was with no sources. Certainly, I believe, looking at the Andover VRs, that what is here is the most likely answer, but the sources here don't come close to actual "proof". Neither the marriage nor death record give any identification of which Joseph Parker was involved, and we know there were many in the area. And there is a lot of confusion about this family. For example, at least one source says the mother is Elizabeth ---, not Elizabeth Bridges, that she was the widow of Obadiah Bridges when she married the father Joseph Parker. At least one source, noting that Abigail died in 1717, shows this Joseph marrying a second wife Mary Emery (i.e., that he didn't die in 1715, though most sources show Mary Emery marrying Joseph Parker, the son of Joseph Parker and Lydia Frye.) --Jrich 21:51, 4 May 2011 (EDT)
- I like your sense of sportsmanship here. For my own contribution, I would not connect them, but I agree that "omittance is no quittance" for some one else's.--Brear47 23:23, 4 May 2011 (EDT)
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