Person talk:John Hall (214)

Current notes on this page [15 November 2013]

Hi Sarah - are the current notes on this page your notes or are they coming from somewhere else? (i.e. did you personally examine the parish records or is that someone else?) If it is you, can you give an approx. date when you examined them and/or did you make a copy? Much Thanks. --Cos1776 22:46, 14 November 2013 (UTC)

oops, another question for you - for this Will Abstract:

• South Carolina, WB RR. John Hall, Jr.; w. 22 Jan 1766; p. 19 Feb 1767: John Hall Jr. late of Amelia County, Virginia, now of Craven County. Wife:Ann Hunt. Sons: John Henry and Lewey [Louis ? Lewis ?] Cannon [Kennon ?]. Father and mother: John and Ann Hall. Mentions: Robert Stark; Joseph Kershaw; Samuel Wyly; residue of estate to wife and 2 sons. Exors. and guardians of children: wife; David Holt; Robert Stark. [My comments are in brackets.]

[as posted by Sarah Sharpless, 2001 ]

My questions are - did you write this or get it from a book somewhere and are there 2 sons or one son and the daughter Lucy that is currently attached to the family? Do you recall? If you don't, it is fine, we can leave it as is until we locate it. Thanks again. --Cos1776 23:11, 14 November 2013 (UTC)

Hi,

I have a copy of the will which I have transcribed. There were only 2 children. I'll get the transcript up on the John Hall Jr. page.--Sarahs 14:46, 15 November 2013 (UTC)

Birth Info in Hall's "Two Unrelated John Halls of Amelia County, Virginia” [15 November 2013]

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user:sarahs 14 Nov 2013

Dr. William B. Hall writes, “Before John Hall [Sr.] went to Lunenburg [Co., VA] he is always spoken of as of Prince George and would naturally have been of Bristol Parish, but none of his children are on the Register of the Parish except John, who was born February 3, 1743 and baptized March 27, 1743.” [1]

Dr. Hall doesn't give his source for the 1743 birth date of John Hall (son of John Hall and Ann Bolling), but later in the article (p. 837) he mentions Dr. Philip Slaughter's "History of Bristol Parish so I *assume* that is Dr. Hall’s source for the 1743 birth date for John Hall, son of John Hall and Anne Bolling.

In his "History of Bristol Parish, Va.," Dr. Slaughter reproduces some of the entries of the parish register, including, “John, s. of John Hall, b. Feb 3, bap. Mar 27, 1743.” [2]  Note that no wife/mother is named in Slaughter’s transcript of the Register.

When looking at the *actual* Bristol Parish Register [3], the only John Halls shown in the register being born are: • “John son of ditto [Instant & Mary Hall] born 18th Janr 1709-10.” • “John son of James and Ruth Hall Born 2d march Bapt 1728.” • “John S. of John & Martha Halls was born Febr 3d 1742-3 & bapt March 27th 1743.” [Note -- Dr. William B. Hall ascribes these dates to John Hall, son of John Hall & Ann Bolling, which is, obviously, incorrect.]

I also take issue with Dr. Hall's statement that John Hall, Sr., "would naturally have been of Bristol Parish." It *appears* that John Hall's father was Robert Hall and Robert Hall was a member of Martin Brandon's Parish, which was originally in Charles City Co., VA.

[1] William B. Hall, MA, MD, “Two Unrelated John Halls of Amelia County, Virginia”. William & Mary Quarterly, Vol. 2, pp. 835.

[2] Slaughter, Rev. Philip, A History of Bristol Parish, Va., J. W. Randolph & English, Richmond, VA, Second Edition, 1879, p. 670

[3] Churchill Gibson Chamberlayne, "Births from the Bristol Parish Register of Henrico, Prince George, and Dinwiddie Counties, Virginia, 1720-1798; excerpted and reprinted from The Vestry Book and Register of Bristol Parish, Virginia, 1720-1789," transcribed and published by Churchill Gibson Chamberlayne, Richmond, VA, 1898; Genealogical Publishing Co., Inc., Baltimore, MD, 1980. Also, scanned images of this book (1996 edition) are online at Ancestry.com.

re: the Bristol Parish Register record, “John S. of John & Martha Halls was born Febr 3d 1742-3 & bapt March 27th 1743.” quoted by Hall as being the birth record of this John Hall, Jr.

I'm wondering why you are so sure that this could not be the right birth record? Isn't it possible that the clerk got "Ann Bolling's" name incorrect or perhaps she was a "Martha Ann" or an "Ann Martha" or "Martha" was a nickname (ok, that might be wrong :) ) ?

Likewise, what is your proof for Robert Hall being the father of John Hall, Sr.? Isn't it possible that the other Bristol Parish birth record that states “John son of ditto [Instant & Mary Hall] born 18th Janr 1709-10.” could be the birth record for John Hall Sr.?

I look forward to hearing your thoughts on this. Regards. --Cos1776 23:35, 15 November 2013 (UTC)

`````````````` user:sarahs 15 Nov 2013: It's been a long time since I've looked at the records for these people so my line of thought might be fuzzy or flat-out wrong. If I'm not mistaken, isn't Dr. Hall's article (Two Unrelated John Halls) about (1) John Hall, husband of Ann Bolling and (2) John Hall, son of Instant Hall? Two separate people? And re Martha Hall - I've simply never seen anything that refers to Anne Bolling as "Martha Ann" or "Ann Martha." That doesn't mean it's not possible; it just means I haven't seen it.

    I'm basically skeptical because (1) Dr. Slaughter didn't properly transcribe the parents for the John Hall born 1742/43 (he left out the mother's name) and then Dr. Hall apparently leapt to the conclusion that the John Hall mentioned in Dr. Slaughter's book referred to John Hall, husband of Anne Bolling.  John Hall is a common name and John Hall with wife, Martha, could be *anyone*.
    I'm never 100%, absolutely, positive about anything in genealogy.  But I'm skeptical by nature (I used to be a reporter).  I grew up wanting to be Nancy Drew.  This, to me, appears to be flakey research and reasoning and, therefore, I doubt it.  But that doesn't mean it's 100% wrong.  It means I don't *think* it's right.
    I'll get around to the Robert Hall stuff.  The abstract books I own are copyrighted, so I don't want to reprint word-for-word what they say.  The authors went to a great deal of time and trouble gathering and abstracting these records and their work (and copyright) should be protected.  If I went to the courthouse and got a copy of an original record, there wouldn't be a copyright issue.  But I'm using the work of other people (for the most part) and I don't want to just put it out there word-for-word when the authors of these abstracts are trying to sell their books.