Family talk:John Thompson and Margaret Scott (1)

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Identifying the family (i.e. Margaret's surname) in Newcastle upon Tyne [9 June 2014]

This is an old Bay of Quinte family and there are a number of theories and dates floating around about origins in England other than Newcastle upon Tyne. However, Newcastle upon Tyne as the birthplace of John and likely all of the children is fairly well evidenced by Pioneer Life on the Bay of Quinte, p 808, and the son John's ("John Senr.") Sept 1877 death certificate. Unfortunately, while son John remarried very late in life, only about 7 months before his death, his parents name on that certificate are given as "John and Margaret Thompson" (a not uncommon, but unfortunate, Ontario marriage registration practice). Death certificates for the children do not include parent information, although Nancy's has not been located and if it is 20th century there is a small chance mother's maiden name will be included.

Their places of burial, probably in Sophiasburgh (where there are a handful of possible cemeteries), need to be found and gravestones, if extent, reviewed.

However, at this time it seems likely that a direct Canada to England documentary link will not be found. Identifications will therefore have to proceed by elimination and contextualization of the following known facts:

1. John was born in Newcastle upon Tyne in 1769.
2. Margaret was born in England, presumably in or near Newcastle upon Tyne in 1778 -- the age difference allows for Margaret being, potentially, a second wife.
3. John worked as a shoemaker in Newcastle upon Tyne until emigrating to Montreal in 1817. He worked as shoemaker in Monttreal for two more years (presumably to 1819). He worked as a shoemaker for 4 more years in Demorestville before taking up farming.
4. His daughter Mary was born in Newcastle upon Tyne in 1802 or 1803. She may or may not be the daughter of Margaret -- I am pointing this out as there seems to be either a substantial gap without surviving children or his first wife died and Margaret is his second wife.
5. John's son William was born in Newcastle in 1815 and is almost certainly also the son of Margaret.
6. John's daughter Ruth was born in Newcastle around Dec 1816. Her mtDNA haplotype was J1c3a, which must be the same as Margaret's -- if the first daughter Mary is by an earlier spouse, it would be interesting to see the mtDNA haplotype of a female-line descendant.
7. Presumably Margaret did not have anymore children in Newcastle between late 1818 and 1823 before emigrating to Canada.
8. When in England they were Episcopalians. Converted to Methodism in Prince Edward County, although son William went back to being Episcopalian before he died.

Investigation avenues [10 June 2014]

• Episcopal parishes:

• St Nicholas - Free Reg marriages 1812-30 https://familysearch.org/search/catalog/1821216?availability=Family%20History%20Library

https://familysearch.org/search/catalog/2028525?availability=Family%20History%20Library

• All Saints (created separate parish in 1808 but records go back to 1600) - FreeReg has Baptisms 1762-1868 and Marriages 1762-1837 (and burials)
• St Andrew (created separate parish in 1808 but records go back to 1597) - FreeReg Bapt 1772-1837 in progress, Marriages 1813-27 with gaps are done; Bishop's transcripts 1762-1880 are available online https://familysearch.org/search/collection/1309819; FHS Films 4047491 and 4047470 holh BMB, 1762-1800 and 1799-1825.
• St John (created separate parish in 1808 but records go back to 1587) - FreeReg has marriages 1813-33
• St Anne (created separate parish from All Saints in 1843) - FreeReg Bapt/Marriages 1812-44 are in progress

:* St Peter (created separate parish from St Andrews in 1844)

Best avenues of investigation, in order, are likely: [10 June 2014]

1. Episcopalian baptism registers in Newcastle upon Tyne for 1811 for John and 1815, 1816, and 1817, for William and Ruth, children of John and Margaret Thompson.

1. Searched FreeReg (Northumberland, Newcastle upon Tyne) on 8 June 2014 for William and Ruth baptisms and no record hits, which means they were probably not in All Saints but the other parishes are still possible.
2. Reviewed online scans for baptisms St Nicholas 1814-1818, no hits, but a possible collateral line is William Thompson, shoemaker of St Nicholas & Mary Valentine who baptized son William 23 Oct 1818 in St Nicholas.
3. Reviewed online scans for Bishop's Transcripts - baptisms St Andrew 1813-1817, no hits.
4. Reviewed online scans for Bishop's Transcripts - baptisms St John 1803 and 1815-1817, no hits, but possible collateral William Thompson, shoemaker and Mary, and William and Margt cordwainer.
5. If they are from Newcastle upon Tyne proper, that leaves St Ann's parish. Baptisms 1810s not at above link, but earlier baptisms and marriages 1795-1804 ish can be checked.

1. Episcopalian baptism registers in Newcastle upon Tyne for 1802-1805 for Mary, daughter of John Thompson.
2. Episcopalian marriage registers in Newcastle upon Tyne for 1795-1815 for one or two marriages of John Thompson, at minimum one to Margaret.

Artefacts 00:09, 9 June 2014 (UTC)