User talk:Thorgils
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Mary or Mary Ellen Dixon Coates [6 February 2012]

Hello.

The Coates's are part of my husband's family: his ancestry goes through Richard Thomas Coates. I relied on family information with regard to Mary Ellen versus Mary as my husband's cousin has various small artifacts and other personal documentary evidence that the Creaser family, with whom apparently his mother and grandmother had contact and knew, were Mary Ellen's relatives. For the moment I can't remember the exact line and would have to look it up, but my making this connection also has to do with the Dixons' occupations and links to various places in the local area.

My own mid-western connections are due to being an American and mid-westerner by birth so my own extensive family trees have to do with my own ancestry: English (from different counties in East Anglia and the south of England the 1600s to New England), Irish (from about 1860), Swedish (from the 1850s) and German (from the 1870s to 1890s).

I'll look up my Coates's documentation and get back to you again with the details of the Mary/Mary Ellen contact.--Laukel 08:18, 6 February 2012 (EST)

Thanks for your quick response. Yes, the detail for Thomas Richard suggested that you had access to other sources of non-published information. So given that James Dixon and Jane Creaser were definitely Thomas Richard's in-laws, I suppose my question about Mary/Mary Ellen resolves to whether she still might have been Mary b.1856 rather than Mary Ellen b.1859. Was she known as "Mary Ellen" within the family, for example, or were her presumed birth details perhaps derived solely from the GRO BMD index?

Two other questions about Thomas Richard's family have emerged as I looked to reconcile your tree details with my own. The first concerns their daughter Mary Eleanor (who appears to be another focus of your interest). You show her marrying Joseph Kirby in Knaresborough in 1910Q4, and I do see that marriage recorded in the GRO index. However, in the April 1911 Census she was still shown as living with her parents in Huntington, along with sister Florence. She was listed there as aged 26, with no occupation indicated. I no longer have online access to the 1911 Census data, but I think I would have noticed if her status had been shown as other than "single."

Of course, there are several possible explanations for the discrepancy. I strongly suspect that the Kirby marriage is confirmed through your husband's family knowledge, not just the documentary sources. Is that the case?

Then, Thomas & Mary's son George E. Do you have "within family" information to confirm that he is the same George E who died in the York registration district in May 1957? As you note, the cemetery records (as well as the GRO index) indicate that that George E was aged 54, whereas our George E would be about 70 by then.

As you may yourself have found, there is another online tree that includes some details of the Coates family [1], posted by a Mr John Stephenson of Nottingham (who appears to be more peripherally related to the family that either your husband or myself).

If you would prefer to respond privately, outside this public forum, I can be reached at [email protected]Thorgils 12:21, 6 February 2012 (EST)

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