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Info on Nathaniel Parker [16 May 2017]

Hi Joe, I'm a bit confused with the information you've listed on my Talk Page and the Parker DNA page you linked to... Neither of the Nathaniel Parker's in Hampshire County are my ancestors, so if you'd like to go ahead and fix them, that's fine with me.

On my talk page, you stated that "The land indenture you added is referencing the Patterson Creek Nathaniel Parker and his father John Parker who belong to yDNA Family Group #18. That Nathaniel Parker married Elizabeth Scott, not Ann Clayton"

But on the Parker DNA page, it states:

P233 was added to this group on 23 Feb 2009. He descends from Nathaniel PARKER, born 1730 in Hampshire County, Virginia, died in 1803 in Sumner County Tennessee. Nathaniel married Ann CLAYTON. (Does this Parker DNA page need to be corrected?)

So which is correct? Did that Nathaniel Parker marry Elizabeth Scott, or Ann Clayton?

I've added another page for Nathaniel Parker (1730-1803).

Is he the same one you mention on my talk page (Nathaniel Parker (1724-1811) of Hampshire County, VA married Susana Rogers a granddaughter of Mathew Rogers? Or are these the same person, just listed with two different birth and death dates?

Also, it is not clear who the parents of John Parker and Susannah Parker were, please advise on that, too.

Thanks,

Jim:)--Delijim 13:01, 15 May 2017 (UTC)

Jim, Most Parker family genealogies/trees for Elder John Parker show his parents as Nathaniel Parker and Ann Clayton of(with no proof) and having originated in Hampshire County, VA. They also state the Elder John Parker's grandfather was John Parker of Patterson Creek, Hampshire County, VA. The Parker yDNA website shows that the Elder John Parker line is Parker yDNA Family Group #5, while the Patterson Creek Nathaniel Parker and his father are yDNA Family Group #18. Two distinct and unrelated Parker lines based upon the yDNA tests as only 5 of 26 markers match and 23-25 need to match for them to be the same family.

As to the birth and death years for Nathaniel Parker of Hampshire County, VA and later Sumner County, TN. Jay Guy Cisco's 1909 book 'Historic Sumner County, TN.'[1] states Nathaniel Parker was born about 1730 and died in 1803. These dates were based upon interviews and 1904 letters found in Parker in America. However a circa 1860 family bible [2] of a g-granddaughter of Nathaniel Parker of Sumner County, TN. states the Sumner County, TN. Nathaniel Parker was born in 1724. And the Sumner County, TN. Nathaniel Parker's will was written on the 25 Feb 1811 [3], he sold land to his son Thomas Parker (my ancestor) in 4 June 1811, and his Estate Inventory/Estate Sale was filed in the Sumner County, TN court in Sumner County, TN court on April 1812. The family bible is more definitive as to when the Hampshire County, VA. Nathaniel Parker was born and between the date of his will and the Estate Inventory, the 1811 date is more definitive as to when he died, ergo Nathaniel Parker(1724-1811)

Both the Parker yDNA site and the DAR website for Nathaniel Parker who lived adjacent to Matthew Rogers state his wife was Ann Clayton, but that has now been proved incorrect. Between an 1828 family bible [4] in my possession wherein it states "Thomas Parker was born 29th February A.D. 1768; he was the son of Nathaniel Parker and his wife Elizabeth" and a 1851 letter [5] (bottom of PDF p. 10-11) written by Ohio Supreme Court Justice Thomas Scott wherein he stated "My father's sister Elizabeth (Scott), intermarried with Mr. Nathaniel Parker. He owned a beautiful well-kept cultivated farm and mills, two or three miles above the town of Frankfort on Patterson's creek, in Hampshire County, Virginia."

If you click on the link for the reference to Historic Sumner County, TN you'll find a copy of the statement that the three eldest sons of Nathaniel Parker of Hampshire County, VA. married 3 Rogers girls. My ancestor Thomas Parker (1768-1846) married Susannah Rogers, Richard Parker (1770-1838) married Nancy Rogers, and John Parker (Abt 1765-1833) married 1st Mary Rogers and 2nd Elizabeth Collier. All of this is laid out on my web page There were 2 Nathaniel Parkers in Hampshire County, VA., but only 1 migrated to Sumner County, TN. [6]

In my efforts to separate two Nathaniel Parkers who over time were merged into one I've only come across one document [7] that references what may be your Nathaniel Parker and his possible wife Ann Clayton and that is a 1919 Daughters of the American Revolution Magazine, Vol. 53, R.R. Bowker Company, page 575 where it states:

6249. Whiting - I note your query regarding James and William Whiting. I have the D.A.R. record of John Parker. He is a son of Nathaniel Parker and his wife, Ann Clayton, but I have not the date. She is supposed to be a dau of John Clayton and Elizabeth Whiting. John Clayton was b in Eng., 1685, and d in Gloucester Co., Va. 1773. He was an eminent botanist and had a botanical garden on his estate, which he called "Windsor". He m. Elizabeth Whiting, 1723, and had several sons and daus. - Mrs. P. S. Tilson, 1516 McGowan, Houston, Tex

So the DAR statement about Nathaniel Parker and Ann Clayton has been around since 1919. As far as I've been able to discern, these two families became merged in Sumner County, TN. where Daniel Parker [8], a probable brother of the Elder John Parker preached in Sumner County, TN for 20-30 years and brother Parker literally became Nathaniel Parker's (1724-1811) brother, but without direct family tie.--Joe 15:06, 15 May 2017 (UTC)

OK Joe, I agree with your summation above. I've transferred the records to the other Nathaniel Parker's person page and added advisories to each page to help future researchers not to confuse them. BTW - neither of the Nathaniel Parkers are my ancestors, I am working on a very large project in Augusta and surrounding counties adding records to each of their person pages.

Best regards,

Jim:)