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[add comment] [edit] Confusion Yves de Bellême and Yves de Creil [15 feb 2016]Several secundary sources that reflect some concensus, like FR.wikipedia, it is 1) very unlikely that these Yves's were the same person, given the chronology. 2) an affiliation is not likely either, as there is no shred of evidence of affiliation, even if Yves the Creil ever existed.--Edwin 19:36, 15 February 2016 (UTC)
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